what do we want?

[sly4458]

lets see we had shep. he ran it his way or highway and that's what some didn't like. we have stacy. good first year and now we don't like this program either. so i ask what will it take? are we on the decline as a city as a school?
we have lost jobs and people is this part of the problem? we will have good years and bad years. and this year is not turning out like we thought. how can we help make it better. kids do not need bashing. but they should know that they should be dedicated, respectfull and responsable.
when i see a kid like #38 and #30 and some others it makes me think that we do have some very fine young men who care about our program. when you see them off the field they are class acts. and thats the way it should be. give me 22 of those kind any day!! no its not good in tigertown now. but maybe just maybe things can get better.

GO TIGERS!!
MASSILLON ALWAYS!!!!

[tiger embalmer]

Just incase anyone was woundering Waynesburg is now 4-0

[massillon catholic]

Just incase anyone was woundering Waynesburg is now 4-0

Lexington is 5-1 averaging 36 points a game.

[hartville tiger]

I think massillon wants a team that is competive with any team in the state and a team 9 out of 10 years that qualifies for the playoffs. Massillon wants a team that is well disciplined off and on the field. They want a team that puts fear into teams that come to PBTS. Funny how Iggy makes it sound like all their players come from catholic schools. No way they didn't have any public school transfers. I like the way chico can stand on the field and not get penalized but Stacy is told to back up.

[Louisville Tiger]

You can talk about coaches all you want, but if a kid can't get himself fired up for a big game, then why does he even bother playing. They go through all the off-season workouts, the grueling two-a-days, and for what-
to show up emotionless on game nights? I don't understand it.

I know my Louisville Leopards always bring it at game time. Why is it that the Tigers can't? "In house" issues I guess?:down:

[PurpleArmy]

You can talk about coaches all you want, but if a kid can't get himself fired up for a big game, then why does he even bother playing. They go through all the off-season workouts, the grueling two-a-days, and for what-
to show up emotionless on game nights? I don't understand it.

I know my Louisville Leopards always bring it at game time. Why is it that the Tigers can't? "In house" issues I guess?:down:

I don't get it either. I thought that Devon kid was supposed to be THE player to have on your team, and I haven't heard much about him at all so far this season. I really thought Massillon was supposed to be fantastic this year from all the pre-season hype. But it's just turning out to be a pretty embarrassing year for them.

Is it just the coaching, or is it that there aren't many gifted players other than Devon?

[MTigers006]

DeVoe, not Devon. his brother Devon has graduated from HS. Im still not impressed. Now KJ ,JT,and Yoder. Those kids are impressive runners.

[jobdone]

MassillonCatholic: You make me ashamed to be from Massillon and ashamed of being a Catholic. Your posts lack very little Christian attitude and much less Massillon Pride.

Were you one of the posters that claimed we had the three best running backs in the state. If that wasn't your claim, didn't you at least agree with those posters? Is it possible that Coach Stacy along with Tiger Woods, didn't give some friend of yours an autograph?

There are years when a sports team is not blessed with many natural athletes. Two years ago we were blessed, last year we were semi-blessed, this year we have not been blessed. Our kids this year are tough, devoted and smart. Don't trash their coaches because they are not living up to your expectations.

Remember "Win or lose Massillon always"

[CarlE]

Your posts lack very little Christian attitude and much less Massillon Pride.


Remember "Win or lose Massillon always"

Hello pot. Meet kettle. Aren't you the one that threatened to beat a sixty year old guy if you saw him downtown? I'm wondering what Christian literature you found THAT form of revenge in. God, you people are getting just STUPID because of this football team.

[Spize]

Lexington is 5-1 averaging 36 points a game.

Bingo.

[AllOhio]

I'm not replying to anybody just a IMO.

I don’t post often but boy do I read a lot on this forum. This is my first and probably my last post for this season. I guess I’m due so here are my thoughts for what their worth. I am a tiger fan be it from outside of the city so I do not know all of the inner issues but what I can see as just a fan is this:

I see, hear and read an awful lot of Coach Stacy bashing which I don’t fully agree with. Who was complaining bashing and whining during the 2005 season? Everything was peaches and cream right? Didn’t we have the same coach then? I think it is a combination of things but people always go to the coach as being the problem – sorry I am not going to do it.

Here is a little sampling of my thoughts and maybe some of this will ring a bell or may turn on a light in someone’s head. I’m not going to sit hear and waste my time and yours complaining, I’d much rather help find out what is wrong - (Which is why I’ve taken an hour here to write this, I’ve given a lot of thought about it and again it goes back to the beginning when the players and coaches are building a team – years before these kids see varsity action).

Let’s look to the future. STARTING RIGHT NOW!

Can we pull off another 2005 season please? See below.

Anybody remember the 2003 football season? How about 2004? In that span Massillon played 20 games and lost 12 of them. I still have visions of Cleveland Benedictine blasting the Tigers off the field in both games. Back to back 4-6 campaigns that really were “pains”. It was a learning experience/nightmare. But I can’t help myself from thinking back to 2003 especially. Why? Because I truly believe that was the building block for what would become the 13-2 2005 season all Tiger fans enjoyed so much.
I tried analyzing 2005. Why did the Tigers have such a successful season? A season that was arguably the best since 1970. So I thought: In no particular order some of the reasons why.
A. There was a decent/favorable looking schedule not a killer.
B. New coach/coaching staff new blood new ideas ECT…
C. Talent.
D. Played as a team.
E. The team had chemistry and made big plays when needed.
F. Desire to win after two grueling 4-6 years.
G. Depth.
After all those mentioned above there is still one thing I didn’t mention. And that one thing I believe is a huge reason for the 2005 success. Can you think of it?
It’s called experience. A lot of experience.
That 2005 team was a veteran ball club that had been though a lot.
In 2003 there had to be 6-7-8 sophomores starting at one time or another and I believe there were 6 who started nearly every game throughout their time at Massillon. Some of those Sophs:
#2 QP QB/LB (position)
#6 PM LB
#41 LG NG
#42 RM LB
#28 TE CB
#87 BH TE
#99 DD DL
With the veteran club they were able to grasp a new system with a new coach who didn’t have a lot of time to work together, but both the team and coaches came through big time. And that is a credit to both units.
I‘m one who thinks this program can compete for a D1 championship every 7-10 years or so. (Which by the way in not enough for a #2 in the nation win program). (1983-1984-1991-2002-2005 was some of those teams). With the current “format”, how can this program “time” or “point” to a “time” to try and win it all as was done in 2003? And by the way, I’m not saying 2003-2004 was “thrown in” so 2005 would be “the year” but it seems to me in 2005 it did paid dividends.
Let’s face it, times have changed folks, it’s been 37 years since a Massillon football team won a title. Something is not right in Massillon. Something needs to change it’s been way too long. You and I know some of the reasons why. But under the current setup the Tigers have to be able to use alternate routes to get to the Grand prize. The routes previously used did not work. The Tigers cannot re-stock every year like an Iggy-Moe-Mck. The city is not what it once was and the enrollment is near DII levels and the competition is a lot better today. The Tigers have to in my opinion pick their spots and play some under classmen for a one-time shot. Massillon can no longer compete year in and year out for the title. For the last 37 years there has been no Championship. Is there another route that can be taken? Is there some other method? Or do the Tigers just keep trying…I’d like to see it happen one day just once. A championship. But it appears to me Massillon needs to try something different and do some creative things to make it over the top. There is no time like today to start engineering a plan of action, put it in place and aim toward that ultimate goal. The young men must be challenged to stand up and take responsibility and prepare now for tomorrow. We need to plan right now for the next several years.
Are we going to do it (play under classmen)? It worked in 2003 for the 2005 season can we try it again please?

[jobdone]

CarlE: You have a good memory. I am 74, I would never pick on that 60 year old person. That was a stupid threat made by me because of all the personal posts made by him of me. I think I apologized to him some time in the past.

[PurpleArmy]

God, you people are getting just STUPID because of this football team.

I tend to agree with you, CarlE. Most of the time when I read posts on this site, everyone is nice to each other and everyone supports the team, and has nothing but positive things to say about them- the players, coaches- everyone.

Now, just because Massillon is not having the results everyone had thought they would, some of you are getting just ridiculous- attacking other posters, posting negative things about the players, other teams, YOUR team, and doing nothing short of saying you want Coach Stacy's head on a platter.

I remember when Coach Stacy was first hired and had that excellent first season at Massillon. You would have thought from reading MP.com that he invented the wheel- the praise for him was coming from everyone, and all was right in Tigertown.

Now, just because they're having an off season, some of you act as though someone took away your favorite toy. The pouting, name calling, and antagonistic behavior of some of you is just childish, to say the least.

It seems like at times some posters forget that it is just a game. A game played by KIDS. Some of whom, I'm sure, read this site, and are probably feeling pretty down on themselves afterwards because of the nature of some of your posts.

I realize how very much all of you love and support the Tigers. I know that they are an important part of your life, and you guys look forward to football season all year long. And this season happens to be a disappointment. I get that. But don't let it affect you so much that you turn on each other and your team and your coaching staff. Coach Stacy seems to me to be a good coach. But maybe he just doesn't have a lot to work with this year or who knows what else could be the reason behind this season?

Give the guy a chance to turn things around. And please don't forget that the kids out on that field each week are probably just as upset about losing games as you all are. Probably MORE so. And that they are just kids, and they deserve more than to have a bunch of adults dissecting and critiquing their every move on the field. They work very hard each year to provide you guys with something to do every Friday night in the fall, and having people lose faith in them, I'm sure, doesn't help matters much. And more than likely, makes them feel like crap.

Same goes for your coaching staff. You can't get blood from a turnip and the same analogy goes for football players. Sometimes you just don't have as much to work with as you would like. Look at McDaniels and Jackson. He's a fantastic coach, yet we are 2-4. But- all we have basically, is Carlin Isles and one good player can't carry the whole team.

I'm sorry if I offended some of you, but I just think it's sad to see Massillon's fans at odds over this season. You guys are better than this. Things will improve. Maybe not this year- but they WILL improve. Keep your heads up and support your Tigers. They need it now more than ever.

Best of luck to you guys next Friday night.

[man2man]

Now, just because Massillon is not having the results everyone had thought they would, some of you are getting just ridiculous- attacking other posters, posting negative things about the players, other teams, YOUR team, and doing nothing short of saying you want Coach Stacy's head on a platter.

I remember when Coach Stacy was first hired and had that excellent first season at Massillon. You would have thought from reading MP.com that he invented the wheel- the praise for him was coming from everyone, and all was right in Tigertown.

Now, just because they're having an off season, some of you act as though someone took away your favorite toy. The pouting, name calling, and antagonistic behavior of some of you is just childish, to say the least.

It seems like at times some posters forget that it is just a game. A game played by KIDS. Some of whom, I'm sure, read this site, and are probably feeling pretty down on themselves afterwards because of the nature of some of your posts.

Coach Stacy seems to me to be a good coach. But maybe he just doesn't have a lot to work with this year or who knows what else could be the reason behind this season?

Give the guy a chance to turn things around. And please don't forget that the kids out on that field each week are probably just as upset about losing games as you all are. Probably MORE so.

:iagree: Great post Purple - I copied the parts I agree with most.

Ultimately, it is only a game. Life should consist of so much more than whether your team won or lost. It's not like this is the first bad season Massillon ever had. Some people just need to mature and look for positive things to praise and encourage the boys in the midst of a disappointing season.

[TigerDL71]

:iagree: Great post Purple - I copied the parts I agree with most.

Ultimately, it is only a game. Life should consist of so much more than whether your team won or lost. It's not like this is the first bad season Massillon ever had. Some people just need to mature and look for positive things to praise and encourage the boys in the midst of a disappointing season.

It should be about teaching life lessons to these players and getting them ready to succedd in life. Please tell me where this is being done this year? Show me where on this team are these kids being taught accountability or discipline. Show me where these kids are being taught hard work pays off. Show me where these kids are being taught grades are a very important thing and going to college SHOULD be a priority. Show me these kids being taught respect, not only respect for themselves and this team, but respect for the tradition that is tiger football and respect for everyone in the past that upheld and built on that tradition. I do not see that being taught to our players at all this year.

[Red50Go]

You guys make it sound like we are forming lynch mobs and signing petitions. Back in the day we used For Sale signs, lol. Of course noone condones that, but was part of our "lore."

Lets go Tigers! Go get em Stacy! We love you guys!!!

There, ok?

[Mass6]

It should be about teaching life lessons to these players and getting them ready to succedd in life. Please tell me where this is being done this year? Show me where on this team are these kids being taught accountability or discipline. Show me where these kids are being taught hard work pays off. Show me where these kids are being taught grades are a very important thing and going to college SHOULD be a priority. Show me these kids being taught respect, not only respect for themselves and this team, but respect for the tradition that is tiger football and respect for everyone in the past that upheld and built on that tradition. I do not see that being taught to our players at all this year.

This is what it is all about. Great post.

[monte81]

It should be about teaching life lessons to these players and getting them ready to succedd in life. Please tell me where this is being done this year? Show me where on this team are these kids being taught accountability or discipline. Show me where these kids are being taught hard work pays off. Show me where these kids are being taught grades are a very important thing and going to college SHOULD be a priority. Show me these kids being taught respect, not only respect for themselves and this team, but respect for the tradition that is tiger football and respect for everyone in the past that upheld and built on that tradition. I do not see that being taught to our players at all this year.


Great post---to bring the fire back ALL your asst. coaches must be down to earth, TOUGH, and put the kids first and the players must put TEAM first. To do that you must have some hometown fiery guys who know these kids on and off the field that will be true to them ALWAYS and LOVE them no matter what. When the coach makes excuses in the newspaper about "its the playcalling, running backs not blocking, line not blocking, being aggressive, etc,.... THAT IS COACHES FAULT and PLAYERS AS WELL but it is the coaches responsibility to get the team ready and put them in positions to win. The coaches have not really done that this year and the players(not all) have underachieved. We are better than our record but it is alot of soul searching needed to be done by all the players, coaches, and community.

Through the years we kept 85% massillon blood on the staff at all levels with a variety of experience. We didn't keep Jarvis, Pierce, Dan Studer, etc,... and with a few more Massillon true diciples we can bring the program back to the top!! The 30-40 year old coaches from Massillon know these kids and should be put on the payroll somehow no matter where they live, work,or coach now!!!

2007 tigers----hold your heads up, play hard every play, and finish the season the Massillon way---ALL OUT!!!! GO TIGERS!!! I BELIEVE IN YOU ALWAYS--- Monte McGuire #81

[JakeGiant]

Lexington is 5-1 averaging 36 points a game.

I would think outside the box a little on that one.

[Tiger54]

lets see we had shep. he ran it his way or highway and that's what some didn't like. we have stacy. good first year and now we don't like this program either. so i ask what will it take? are we on the decline as a city as a school?
we have lost jobs and people is this part of the problem? we will have good years and bad years. and this year is not turning out like we thought. how can we help make it better. kids do not need bashing. but they should know that they should be dedicated, respectfull and responsable.
when i see a kid like #38 and #30 and some others it makes me think that we do have some very fine young men who care about our program. when you see them off the field they are class acts. and thats the way it should be. give me 22 of those kind any day!! no its not good in tigertown now. but maybe just maybe things can get better.

GO TIGERS!!
MASSILLON ALWAYS!!!!
What do we want? Remember a few short 3 years ago. When we were promised a team of disciplined young men. Imagine that, discipline?! We had a bunch of young men who not only won games because they were playing way over their heads, they were beating teams that no one thought that they could beat, but THEY WERE ALSO YOUNG MEN THAT WE WERE SO PROUD OF. Well-behaved, young men who not only sang the alma mater with the band after the game, but also came by the stands of Tiger fans and shook hands with people who were supporting them. As TP said way early in the season, this group of kids look like they don't even like each other. When the coach lost the discipline of the team, look what has happened. On one of the posts, it said that if you were to discipline or bench some of the kids who needed disciplined that some of the "best" players would be sitting on the bench. Well, you know what---they should be sitting on the bench. ARE they the "best" players if they are playing instead of being disciplined? If you don't have discipline, you have lost it---this is a team that was guesstimated to be in the top five of the state (pre-season) and this shows what happens when you don't have the needed discipline. How on earth do you even turn this kind of thing around?

[Red50Go]

How on earth do you even turn this kind of thing around?

You dont overnight. It will take some doing. I am an avid believer that Champions are made and championships are won in the off-season. Our offseason was lacking by Stacy's own admission. I still hoped for the best but I kinda saw this coming.

NEVER give up, but at the same time start finding out what we have to build on for next year. Then lay down the law on what will be expected from each & every one of them. You know if Studer were here, this would be one of those off-seasons he'd have puke buckets line the weight room.

[chap]

Now, just because Massillon is not having the results everyone had thought they would, some of you are getting just ridiculous- attacking other posters, posting negative things about the players, other teams, YOUR team, and doing nothing short of saying you want Coach Stacy's head on a platter.

And more than likely, makes them feel like crap.
Speaking of crap!

[monte81]

A Massillon tiger football team playing the MASILLON TIGER WAY!! hard, 100%, and refuse to lose!

Every former player I speak with regularly is ticked off because we seen it coming and noone would listen to us!!! You need coaches who relish the tradition and willing to beat it into the current players and noone can do that but a true tiger!!! How many of those do we have coaching right now?? Coach Hack---is one person but we need more FIRE --IN YOUR FACE COACHING and not passive, "Ill give in to you coaches we currently have running the program!!

The 2007 tigers are way too content and smiles instead of having some on the field @ssholes you need to get players ready. TEAM LEADERSHIP IS LACKING!! We have no BG, Pooders, Boobys, etc,.. on this team!!! You always need field leaders and we play with no emotion!

I was hated in practice but respected because if you were not going 100% I would knock your block off or send you off our field and I had plenty of loyal backup everyday! WE NEED LEADERS TO KICK SOME PLAYERS IN THE @SS!

[chap]

A Massillon tiger football team playing the MASILLON TIGER WAY!! hard, 100%, and refuse to lose!

Every former player I speak with regularly is ticked off because we seen it coming and noone would listen to us!!! You need coaches who relish the tradition and willing to beat it into the current players and noone can do that but a true tiger!!! How many of those do we have coaching right now?? Coach Hack---is one person but we need more FIRE --IN YOUR FACE COACHING and not passive, "Ill give in to you coaches we currently have running the program!!

The 2007 tigers are way too content and smiles instead of having some on the field @ssholes you need to get players ready. TEAM LEADERSHIP IS LACKING!! We have no BG, Pooders, Boobys, etc,.. on this team!!! You always need field leaders and we play with no emotion!

I was hated in practice but respected because if you were not going 100% I would knock your block off or send you off our field and I had plenty of loyal backup everyday! WE NEED LEADERS TO KICK SOME PLAYERS IN THE @SS!Excellent Post!

[Tiger54]

You dont overnight. It will take some doing. I am an avid believer that Champions are made and championships are won in the off-season. Our offseason was lacking by Stacy's own admission. I still hoped for the best but I kinda saw this coming.

NEVER give up, but at the same time start finding out what we have to build on for next year. Then lay down the law on what will be expected from each & every one of them. You know if Studer were here, this would be one of those off-seasons he'd have puke buckets line the weight room.
YES, and if you go thru your old papers, you will see that Stacy has said that for the last TWO summers. That he was dissatisfied with the weight room attendance. Well, whose fault is that? They should be told that if you aren't in the weight room during the summer, you won't be playing in the fall. Remember, DT was even saying---and the Massillon people didn't want to hear it---that the weight room requirements were tougher at Canton South. This is the COACH'S responsibility. Would they pull this kind of stuff if Coach Studer was still here? I don't necessarily say that you HAVE to be from Massillon to be an asst coach bc Coach Checca seems to be great with the kids out there. He's really into it and is actually teaching them. Could you do any better than Coach Kovacs?? But we have too many coaches who obviously are not doing what they are paid to do.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Monte81,

Your post was the best one on here far and away.

[monte81]

YES, and if you go thru your old papers, you will see that Stacy has said that for the last TWO summers. That he was dissatisfied with the weight room attendance. Well, whose fault is that? They should be told that if you aren't in the weight room during the summer, you won't be playing in the fall. Remember, DT was even saying---and the Massillon people didn't want to hear it---that the weight room requirements were tougher at Canton South. This is the COACH'S responsibility. Would they pull this kind of stuff if Coach Studer was still here? I don't necessarily say that you HAVE to be from Massillon to be an asst coach bc Coach Checca seems to be great with the kids out there. He's really into it and is actually teaching them. Could you do any better than Coach Kovacs?? But we have too many coaches who obviously are not doing what they are paid to do.


Back int hte day--if you didn't sign in to workout and complete your lifts----Coach STu, Lec, james, jarvis, whitfield, etc,... was going to let you hear it! When you looked at the depth chart the next week and your name was erased and bumped down a few notches you got the picture!!! Passive coaches have passive teams and get beat in big games! WE never replaced our core staff from the Currance years---shame on us!!!


NO workouts no field time---PERIOD!!! Thats what I am talking about in your face coaches!! However---If a player is really a true tiger he would not let his buddy(s) miss workouts in winter or summer!!!!

[massillon catholic]

Back int hte day--if you didn't sign in to workout and complete your lifts----Coach STu, Lec, james, jarvis, whitfield, etc,... was going to let you hear it! When you looked at the depth chart the next week and your name was erased and bumped down a few notches you got the picture!!! Passive coaches have passive teams and get beat in big games! WE never replaced our core staff from the Currance years---shame on us!!!


NO workouts no field time---PERIOD!!! Thats what I am talking about in your face coaches!! However---If a player is really a true tiger he would not let his buddy(s) miss workouts in winter or summer!!!!

Monte: The mentality now is..."why should I go to work-outs when the coach is going to play me anyway"? I've said it before on here, we need a General in charge not a Private!

[chumly]

monte,

those coaches were respected BUT FEARED!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

monte81,

Has the thought of you coaching in Massillon crossed your mind? You're pretty forceful given your playing background. Would you be a coach for Massillon if you were not located in Columbus right now?

[Mass6]

Back int hte day--if you didn't sign in to workout and complete your lifts----Coach STu, Lec, james, jarvis, whitfield, etc,... was going to let you hear it! When you looked at the depth chart the next week and your name was erased and bumped down a few notches you got the picture!!! Passive coaches have passive teams and get beat in big games! WE never replaced our core staff from the Currance years---shame on us!!!


NO workouts no field time---PERIOD!!! Thats what I am talking about in your face coaches!! However---If a player is really a true tiger he would not let his buddy(s) miss workouts in winter or summer!!!!

That's the one thing I always respected with Coach Stu. He would sign off on every lift we did, day after day, and then collect our sheets at the end of the week. If you missed a workout, you were a step behind those wanting your position. I always loved the kids who missed workouts and then wondered why they weren't playing. I hated all my coaches while I was on the practice field because they chewed my a@@ no matter what I did. Get a pick and it was the fact that we didn't yell "Oskie" loud enough, and even though I hated them during practice I respect them more then anything. That's what we need, coaches yelling and getting the most out of our Tigers no matter what. Good plays are never good enough, we can always be better! That 2005 team was working on speed drills with me after school at the Rec everyday, even after working out hard during school, and look what it did for them. Did I want anything for that, hell no, just perform on the field and be proud of all the work you have done. This is the type of kids that will lead us to the promise land. I remember talking to them after the McK game that the pups stompped on our field and told them to never forget it, use that as fuel. They wanted to win and didn't want to be coddled. We need a community willing to spend some of their own precious time to mentor these kids get them going in the right direction. Monte, head back north brother and lets get these kids going!!!!

[monte81]

That's the one thing I always respected with Coach Stu. He would sign off on every lift we did, day after day, and then collect our sheets at the end of the week. If you missed a workout, you were a step behind those wanting your position. I always loved the kids who missed workouts and then wondered why they weren't playing. I hated all my coaches while I was on the practice field because they chewed my a@@ no matter what I did. Get a pick and it was the fact that we didn't yell "Oskie" loud enough, and even though I hated them during practice I respect them more then anything. That's what we need, coaches yelling and getting the most out of our Tigers no matter what. Good plays are never good enough, we can always be better! That 2005 team was working on speed drills with me after school at the Rec everyday, even after working out hard during school, and look what it did for them. Did I want anything for that, hell no, just perform on the field and be proud of all the work you have done. This is the type of kids that will lead us to the promise land. I remember talking to them after the McK game that the pups stompped on our field and told them to never forget it, use that as fuel. They wanted to win and didn't want to be coddled. We need a community willing to spend some of their own precious time to mentor these kids get them going in the right direction. Monte, head back north brother and lets get these kids going!!!!


I am trying! After some of the stuff I saw and have read--WOW I want to come back and work with the kids. Ask Daily, Pooder, and BG who and how I worked with them on strength and conditioning since middle school in the basement. All of them are at the next level--- Those kids would hang out on a Friday night and wake me up at midnight to get in the house to lift weights!

I put in for a few jobs and waiting on the interview process. If I get the offer I am back---- maybe by November just in time to work with some kids this winter.

[Kenny M.]

Monte -- we need you! Anything you can do to get back to Massillon would be a godsend. Here's hoping you're back in M-town before long!

[Kenny M.]

Not to get negative, but one of the things that bothers me about Coach Stacy is that he's always quoted in the paper as saying something along the lines of he doesn't know what the problem is and if someone has an answer, he'd like to hear it.

[man2man]

He's answering the best he can while still supporting his players.

[CarlE]

He's answering the best he can while still supporting his players.

Broken record......broken record.....broken record.....broken record.....broken record.....broken record.....

[sly4458]

coach says he has no answers.
i have a few
keep JT on the field ALL THE TIME. if devoe was hurt jt should have been the other back with kj saturday.

dont want to hit the weight room. see you dont need you!

not performing when starting. see you!

get in trouble, break code of conduct. see you!!!!

not getting it done in class or respecting teachers see you!

start getting another kicker ready for next year and years after

start letting #2 qb play the first qtr. of the jv game.

we have 12 or so coaches. have them work with others who stand on sideline at practice. see who might just want to step up.

freshman should be developing more than just 8 guys going both ways.

just a few thoghts that might work.

we have some who give it 110% all the time. like i said when i started this thread. give me 22 of #38, #30 and some others on this team. their DEDICATION AND DESIRE to be a TRUE TIGER gives me hope that we will have the program and the tradition that all of MASSILLON FANS WANT!!!

GO TIGERS!!
MASSILLON ALWAYS!!

[Red50Go]

Luckily, QB development and offensive coordinator are his specialties. I know, I'm sorry. Lol.

Seriously, he loaded up on big-name D coaches and they are doing a good job all considered. But he took on the whole O basically, so please dear lord dont tell us you have no clue now. Yikes.

[91' alum]

I am trying! After some of the stuff I saw and have read--WOW I want to come back and work with the kids. Ask Daily, Pooder, and BG who and how I worked with them on strength and conditioning since middle school in the basement. All of them are at the next level--- Those kids would hang out on a Friday night and wake me up at midnight to get in the house to lift weights!

I put in for a few jobs and waiting on the interview process. If I get the offer I am back---- maybe by November just in time to work with some kids this winter.

If your seriously looking to come back home Monti, GOOD LUCK to you and your family. Tiger Town will always welcome you back home. Need more OLD SCHOOL TIGERS. :rockin:

[Smitty]

On face value, NO; giving up 24 points per game is NOT good.

However, keep in mind the offense isn't sustaining many drives to keeps the other team's offense -- and our defense -- off the field.


The "O" isn't helping the "D".

:stars:

[TigerVic]

On face value, NO; giving up 24 points per game is NOT good.

However, keep in mind the offense isn't sustaining many drives to keeps the other team's offense -- and our defense -- off the field.


The "O" isn't helping the "D".

:stars:

Basically the whole Iggy game was played in Tiger territory, even with Schott's great punting under pressure!

[Banks]

keep JT on the field ALL THE TIME.
GO TIGERS!!
MASSILLON ALWAYS!!


JT will be a major player this week on the O side of the ball.

[91' alum]

JT will be a major player this week on the O side of the ball.
Hope your right. We've heard that before only NOT to see it. That display in the last 1:30 of Sat game is all we've seen of him since wk 2.

[Red50Go]

On face value, NO; giving up 24 points per game is NOT good.

However, keep in mind the offense isn't sustaining many drives to keeps the other team's offense -- and our defense -- off the field.


The "O" isn't helping the "D".

:stars:

Agreed. You also shouldn't count td's scored by the other teams defense. Alot of our turnovers cost us.

But my main point is I dont think our D has underachieved. They are about what I expected. I dont know WHAT happened w/ us vs Mentor though.

[ChronicTiger]

JT will be a major player this week on the O side of the ball.

my grandma might get 75-100 all purpose yards this friday...

:lol:

[DAWGH8R]

JT will be a major player this week on the O side of the ball.

I hope he takes advantage of his opportunity !!:rockon:

[tiger#22]

JT will be a major player this week on the O side of the ball.

Too little too late now, the so called best Coaching staff in the State couldnt see to do this 6 weeks ago??

[mike_da_man13]

What you need to get rid of is the ghetto attitude where does that get you anywhere in life? Get rid of the thug me first mentality, that HAS found its way into our fair city and you solve the problem.

[Banks]

Too little too late now, the so called best Coaching staff in the State couldnt see to do this 6 weeks ago??

6 weeks ago they didn't figure on Clark getting hurt.

[WoodyHayes]

How can you laude that? I keep hearing about the defense but Mentor short circuited the dang scoreboard. I am not naming names or calling out coaches but ZERO points says about it all doesn't it?

[tiger4life]

LLSS

[CarlE]

LLSS

What the heck does THAT mean??

[tiger4life]

What the heck does THAT mean??

loose lips sinks ships

[ForeverTwirl06]

Here are my thoughts on things.. now don't go bashing me and what not.. MY POST IS NOT INTENDED TO BASH OR BAD MOUTH ANYONE.. its just simply stating my opinions on things that I have noticed... i am entitled to my opinions just as much as the next person::

First::What we CLEARLY lack on this team is discipline both on and off the field...(and MOST of you would agree with me on this).. how many kids on our team have been in trouble with the law or in one way shape or form this year?.. yea i know.. kids will be kids.. and we all make mistakes... but look what it does for the team..breaks them apart..and throwing helmets?? Have some dignity and respect FOR YOUR TEAM because reguardless of what you think- your actions affect your teammates!.. this team is NOT gelling.. they all go through practice and then go their separate ways...heck it used to be that you never saw the football players apart from each other.. they all hung out together and acted like brothers..i believe the new saying is "Massillon Football- It's a Brotherhood" .. where is the brotherhood?.. you have people fighting and argueing on the sidelines.. blaming everyone else for their own mistakes..since when does that define brotherhood?..When Shep was here.. if u messed up off the field.. you were gonna pay for it on the field even if that meant you didnt get to play for a while... thats how he was.. he didn't put up with any crap and didn't take things lightly... he made sure his team was disciplined and would NOT allow any of the stuff we have going on on our team now..and the thing about Shep was.. he wasn't afraid to yell at his players... if thats what it took to fire them up.. he yelled... he didnt care if people didn't like him for it..and for the most part it seemed to work..

Second:: What ever happened to that TIGER PRIDE??!.. some of these kids act like its no big deal to play for Massillon.. they are NOT pumped up for these big games.. and its ridiculous.. when i think of people who were PROUD to play for Massillon I think of kids like JP Simon... Andy Alleman... Danny Studer...Shawn Crable.. Justin Zwick.. Devin Jordan.. Chris Spielman..Coach Stu and current players like Cory Hildreth.. Steve Schott.. Brandon Grizzard..Justin Price.. and MANY MANY MANY others... these kids weren't out getting in trouble and what not.. when it was football season they were/are focused on just that.. FOOTBALL.. they knew that it was time to get serious...They knew that there were sooo many little kids out there looking up to them..wanting to be them some day..andyes.. i know some of the players i mentioned aboveed went through the program are tranfer students.. but they come here for a reason.. they come here to be apart of something special.. they come here to be apart of one of the most legendary highschool football programs in the state of Ohio.. they come here to feel that pride.. but it seems to have disappeared over the years..

THIRD:: we have to understand that these are HIGH SCHOOL boys... we put soo much pressure on them to win.. and when they don't.. they feel like it is the end of the world.. no one likes to lose.. i know i sure don't.. but as i get older.. i realize it's NOT the end of the world.. so we are having a rough year.. its the rough years that make your good years soo good...I know how much football means to this town.. and i know and understand the tradition that comes along with football.. but when it comes down to it.. it is just a game..

FOURTH:: Bashing Mr. Stacy won't get us ANY WHERE..whether we like it or not.. he is the coach of our team for another 3 weeks... its not easy being a coach in this town..granted there are a lot of things that he can do differently.. but thats all woulda coulda shoulda.. we have NO CONTROL over what Mr Stacy or ANY of the coaches does.. if you are a TRUE Tiger fan.. you will support Mr. Stacy and our team no matter what is going on.. You don't have to support the decisions he makes... but at least have enough dignity and respect as a person NOT to make harassing phone calls to his home and write embarassing letters to him..Support your team through thick and thin... these boys need us behind them now more than ever.. and if we want to get ths season turned around.. we need to show them that we belive and we are behind them..

FOURTH::.. theres all this talk about the 2005 team and its the experience that got them so far... yea-I'm sure it had SOMETHING to do with it but personally.. i think that team was hand delivered to Stacy by Coach Shep.. his off season program for the most part worked VERY VERY well.... i think those kids just got tired of and bored with Shep.. so they didnt want to play for him anymore... and then this new guy shows up and now everyone wants to show up and play.. and BOOM.. we made it to the state finals.. Now- it seems like our program is ran too much like a college program.. which is fine IF WE WERE A COLLEGE TEAM..Stacy is waaaayy too laid back when it comes to discipline which would be fine if these were college kids..obviously being laid back isn't working for our team..these are high school kids- their primary focus isn't going to be football- in college their focus is primarily football because for most of those kids- that's whats paying for their education..

FIFTH:: I think it's sad that we have to start taking attendance at practice because we aren't sure who really wants to be there and who really doesn't.. shouldn't this have happened at the beginning of the season?? isn't it obvious who really wants to be there and who's just there for the name?? It should be an HONOR to play for the Massillon Tigers.. if that means you have to make cuts.. then MAKE THEM.. if kids don't want to be there.. LET THEM GO..it seems like most of them have already made the decision.. why are u letting them drag down the rest of the team?


.. Frankly I am just tired of all the bashing and bad mouthing.. We should be SUPPORTING our Tigers and their coaches..at the end of the day it is JUST A GAME.. win or lose.. THEY ARE JUST KIDS.. it's not the end of the world.. things will get better.. it just takes time.. eventually all the hard work will pay off and we'll be happy again.. I support the Tigers win or lose.. I have had 2 siblings go through the program now and I know what it takes to play for this team.. that is why I support the Tigers.. these kids work hard and it is bad that it's not paying off like they think it should- but they need to know that it's ok.. Boys- Just keep your heads up and keep fighting until the end..you can turn this season around and make it into something positive..McKinley is quickly approaching- and it won't matter what happened the rest of the season..We believe in you guys!! Win or Lose MASSILLON ALWAYS!!


.. I agree with a previous post that said its time to start rebuilding and trying new things for next year.. get your JV's in there and give them some varsity PT... they are the future of this program.. and if we want to see a positive turn-around.. we better start preparing for the future now...

again.. my post was NOT MEANT to bash or bad-mouth anyone..it just simply expresses my feelings towards what is going on. I call it like i see um.. and these are the things i see going on...


:TIG2:

[CarlE]

loose lips sinks ships

I'm still not getting the post. Can you talk in English instead of the cryptic stuff you are doing?

[monte81]

What you need to get rid of is the ghetto attitude where does that get you anywhere in life? Get rid of the thug me first mentality, that HAS found its way into our fair city and you solve the problem.

How can you do that when most of the staff knows little about the players home life, off the field situations, etc,... all I will say is at least 1 coach needs to be able to relate to these kids that have single parents, drug addicted relatives, unfavorable living conditions, etc,... you cannot get to understand what some of these players problems are until you have been through alittle bit of the bad yourself!!! That has always been a problem I have with our program that we bring in middle to upper class coaches to handle kids that have troubled lives--we have to find a balance with the staff to fix the problem. Our administration has to realize that everone in Massillon has not been privy to growing up in C. Hills or Mayflower! Some players have to go to school, practice, and turn around and worry about how he may help feed his brothers and sisters--its a differance.

How much does the community care about players when the graduation date approaches???

[man2man]

Here are my thoughts on things.. now don't go bashing me and what not.. MY POST IS NOT INTENDED TO BASH OR BAD MOUTH ANYONE.. its just simply stating my opinions on things that I have noticed... i am entitled to my opinions just as much as the next person::

First::What we CLEARLY lack on this team is discipline both on and off the field...(and MOST of you would agree with me on this).. how many kids on our team have been in trouble with the law or in one way shape or form this year?.. yea i know.. kids will be kids.. and we all make mistakes... but look what it does for the team..breaks them apart..and throwing helmets?? Have some dignity and respect FOR YOUR TEAM because reguardless of what you think- your actions affect your teammates!..

Second:: What ever happened to that TIGER PRIDE??!.. some of these kids act like its no big deal to play for Massillon..

THIRD:: we have to understand that these are HIGH SCHOOL boys... we put soo much pressure on them to win.. and when they don't.. they feel like it is the end of the world.. no one likes to lose.. i know i sure don't.. but as i get older.. i realize it's NOT the end of the world..

FOURTH:: Bashing Mr. Stacy won't get us ANY WHERE..whether we like it or not.. he is the coach of our team for another 3 weeks... its not easy being a coach in this town... if you are a TRUE Tiger fan.. you will support Mr. Stacy and our team no matter what is going on.. at least have enough dignity and respect as a person NOT to make harassing phone calls to his home and write embarassing letters to him..Support your team through thick and thin... these boys need us behind them now more than ever..

.. Frankly I am just tired of all the bashing and bad mouthing.. We should be SUPPORTING our Tigers and their coaches..at the end of the day it is JUST A GAME.. win or lose.. THEY ARE JUST KIDS.. it's not the end of the world.. things will get better.. it just takes time.. eventually all the hard work will pay off and we'll be happy again.. I support the Tigers win or lose.. I have had 2 siblings go through the program now and I know what it takes to play for this team.. that is why I support the Tigers.. Boys- Just keep your heads up and keep fighting until the end..you can turn this season around and make it into something positive..McKinley is quickly approaching- and it won't matter what happened the rest of the season..We believe in you guys!! Win or Lose MASSILLON ALWAYS!!:TIG2:


Great post. The "perfect storm" of off-field problems, transfer issues and strife between teammates and their parents have made for a very challenging situation for the coaches, players and fans.

[CarlE]

How can you do that when most of the staff knows little about the players home life, off the field situations, etc,... all I will say is at least 1 coach needs to be able to relate to these kids that have single parents, drug addicted relatives, unfavorable living conditions, etc,... you cannot get to understand what some of these players problems are until you have been through alittle bit of the bad yourself!!! That has always been a problem I have with our program that we bring in middle to upper class coaches to handle kids that have troubled lives--we have to find a balance with the staff to fix the problem. Our administration has to realize that everone in Massillon has not been privy to growing up in C. Hills or Mayflower! Some players have to go to school, practice, and turn around and worry about how he may help feed his brothers and sisters--its a differance.

How much does the community care about players when the graduation date approaches???

I understand your post, Monte. I also believe there should be a mix so that coaches can somehow get in the heads of some of these kids and figure out what the hell is wrong. BUT, at some point in time there HAS to be discipline put forth by those in charge.

By the way, I grew up in Mayflower. PLEASE don't compare that to Colonial Hills. Not even close to those snob-ass East-Side wusses.

[monte81]

I understand your post, Monte. I also believe there should be a mix so that coaches can somehow get in the heads of some of these kids and figure out what the hell is wrong. BUT, at some point in time there HAS to be discipline put forth by those in charge.

By the way, I grew up in Mayflower. PLEASE don't compare that to Colonial Hills. Not even close to those snob-ass East-Side wusses.

Thats why you have to have both white and black coaches on the staff who can relate to these kids on and off the field. The off the field problems could be lessoned with a few coaches who can get through to these kids. It is young people in Massillon who can do if given the right oppurtunity.

With all the declining jobs in the county and no employment agency resources making a differance in the city some athletes are forced to make choices they might not make if they had the right support system.

[sly4458]

i agree with part of your post monte. but it still comes down to being responsable like carl said. you get out of life what you put into it. some kids do have it very tough, some dont. but it is still up to that person to be the best person that he or she can be.

[monte81]

i agree with part of your post monte. but it still comes down to being responsable like carl said. you get out of life what you put into it. some kids do have it very tough, some dont. but it is still up to that person to be the best person that he or she can be.

CORRECT--- some people need more motivation than others. Some kids have strong parents who guide them into making the right decisions while others are making decisions themselves. In the end every individual has to make his/her own choices but a strong hand in guiding them can go a long-long way!! You want to fix the problem you get a few asst. coaches in the system that can actually relate to these kids and help them make better choices in life and make them complete student/athletes and PEOPLE. I do it everyday in my job but the only differance is I am dealing with adult addictions and problems steaming for war and military issues---I make a differance with them and we all know a veteran has a strong desire to do what the hell they want. Drill Sergeant/coach/educator/motivator-----thats what I do!!! I aint to bad of a defensive coach either!!LOL

[sly4458]

i know that vince and steve do a great job at the club with the kids. and that is great avenue for kids. sounds like you have done very well for yourself also. would like to see people like you on our staff to bring back the dedication and the desire to be TRUE TIGERS. i want to see kids like #38 and #30 who have tiger hearts, tiger dedication and tiger desire. and so that the young kids will look up to players like this again. on and off the field true leaders.

[man2man]

I love watching #38 play football.

[monte81]

i know that vince and steve do a great job at the club with the kids. and that is great avenue for kids. sounds like you have done very well for yourself also. would like to see people like you on our staff to bring back the dedication and the desire to be TRUE TIGERS. i want to see kids like #38 and #30 who have tiger hearts, tiger dedication and tiger desire. and so that the young kids will look up to players like this again. on and off the field true leaders.

Vince and Steve do an excellant job at the elementary/middle school level mentoring kids that need it. However--I am talking about someone who can handle HS kids with academics, test scores, college recruiting, attitudes, off the field behavior, etc,... these kids to know that we have their backs after Friday Night Lights. I am talking more than just footbal related life lessons as well!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

monte81,

Are you comtemplating a likely return to Massillon because from the looks of things, it's not too far off.

[Red50Go]

Vince and Steve do an excellant job at the elementary/middle school level mentoring kids that need it. However--I am talking about someone who can handle HS kids with academics, test scores, college recruiting, attitudes, off the field behavior, etc,... these kids to know that we have their backs after Friday Night Lights. I am talking more than just footbal related life lessons as well!

One of the good things McDaniels did at Mckinley in the mid 90's was have a "committee" or some type of organization of about a dozen elders/mentors who guided and mentored some of their kids w/ rough backgrounds, and stayed on them, and mentored them. These were parents/former players/long time supporters from similiar backgrounds & neighborhoods, who had respect, and could reach these kids. I hear it was very successful. Those 95-96-97 teams had many "rougher" characters from rougher backgrounds than we even think we got here, but they parlayed their obvious god-given talent into some great TEAMS - in the true sense.

[monte81]

One of the good things McDaniels did at Mckinley in the mid 90's was have a "committee" or some type of organization of about a dozen elders/mentors who guided and mentored some of their kids w/ rough backgrounds, and stayed on them, and mentored them. These were parents/former players/long time supporters from similiar backgrounds & neighborhoods, who had respect, and could reach these kids. I hear it was very successful. Those 95-96-97 teams had many "rougher" characters from rougher backgrounds than we even think we got here, but they parlayed their obvious god-given talent into some great TEAMS - in the true sense.

It could work in Massillon with the right people in charge of it. I know I would be interested in starting something back home to support and enhance the lives of our youth in Massillon. That would be a dream situation to come home to do that project!!

Keno,---- What do you mean its far off?? I am looking for a job home for other reasons than the 2007 Massillon Tigers---its my city and I belong in it! The only reason I left a few years ago was because I couldn't find suitable work in my career field. Maybe things are looking brighter for me in Stark County right now!!

Remember our interview last year----- Darion told you his little nephew Jabron was going to be good, he is now 12 and recorded 11 tackles a few weeks ago and last week when I was at his game he had 5 tackles, a sack, and a fumble recovery!! I have plenty of reasons to want to be in Stark County!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

monte81,

I didn't say it was far off...I said it's not too far off. I'm looking forward to seeing Jabron soon and carrying on the McGuire name along with the rest of the clan.

Hope to see you back in Massillon soon.

[monte81]

Keno,

My fault I guess I am just looking for an argument!LOL just joking but yea I am hoping I can get something worked out here real soon--I dont know yet!

All I need is a guranteed job and I am home!

[MTigers006]

Monte, You could be an unpaid assistant next year like Hack is this year and then you can show them what your made of and got to offer. Good Luck .
What's Travis up to these days? What does he think of all this bullcrap this year? What did you guys think about '05. What can we do to get back there? And to finally get over the first hurdle?

[WoodyHayes]

How can you do that when most of the staff knows little about the players home life, off the field situations, etc,... all I will say is at least 1 coach needs to be able to relate to these kids that have single parents, drug addicted relatives, unfavorable living conditions, etc,... you cannot get to understand what some of these players problems are until you have been through alittle bit of the bad yourself!!! That has always been a problem I have with our program that we bring in middle to upper class coaches to handle kids that have troubled lives--we have to find a balance with the staff to fix the problem. Our administration has to realize that everone in Massillon has not been privy to growing up in C. Hills or Mayflower! Some players have to go to school, practice, and turn around and worry about how he may help feed his brothers and sisters--its a differance.

How much does the community care about players when the graduation date approaches??? I disagree. St. X doesnt seem to have this problem. Skidrow is nothing but a frame of mind. Maybe if kids realized this was there ticket out it would give them an attitude adjustment. We have had some magnificent running backs that amounted to ZERO!! PS: I did not have a rose colored childhood. I had a mother that worked 2 jobs to keep food on the table. I guess you call that single family. Thank god it was. The old man was a flamin idiot.

[monte81]

I disagree. St. X doesnt seem to have this problem. Skidrow is nothing but a frame of mind. Maybe if kids realized this was there ticket out it would give them an attitude adjustment. We have had some magnificent running backs that amounted to ZERO!! PS: I did not have a rose colored childhood. I had a mother that worked 2 jobs to keep food on the table. I guess you call that single family. Thank god it was. The old man was a flamin idiot.

WHAT??? ST. X has little to no single parent players or players living on their own because thats how it has to be for survival, etc,... kids to realize that it may be the ticket out like I did or my others that have done it in Massillon! RB's that amounted to nothing?? What do you mean by that? Have college degrees, raising families, working 9 to 5's making a decent living!! Some players may not reached full potential IYO but who are you do judge them anyway? BTW--- you are always going to have failures but that 1 success story is worth it to me. I look at Shawn Crable, Bob Dunwiddie, my brother Darion, BG, Mike P in recent years, etc,.... and can smile and while others I could cry..... but life is cruel and fullfilling at the same time!

I also grew up in a single family home----- I made it and so did my brothers and sister, BUT IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD and our communities have forgotten that about raising children nowadays.

MTigers006--- I would coach at any level for free because it is not about $$$ but I have to have employment up there to survive--if the right job opens I am there and I have been working on that!

2005--- I loved the season but thought we could repeat the performance the following year it being my brothers Sr. season and all but hey things dont happen like you want it all the time. I put alot of miles on my truck the past 3 seasons since moving to Columbus. Travis lives in Ft. Myers he has a great job, fishes and golfs daily, and is raising his family. I know those girls drive him bananas and he is real protective of his girls. He comes home around 2times a year to visit--last visit was June when Darion left for school.

As far as getting back--- its the small things, team unity, discipline! It is pretty easy to fix with the right mentality!

[Tiger54]

He's answering the best he can while still supporting his players.
You call that an answer? I don't! The community and fans deserve better than that, especially after traveling to Parma and being embarrassed by the effort (or lack thereof) on that field. It's one thing to be defeated but another to be humiliated---and frustrated.

[Tiger54]

coach says he has no answers.
i have a few
keep JT on the field ALL THE TIME. if devoe was hurt jt should have been the other back with kj saturday.

dont want to hit the weight room. see you dont need you!

not performing when starting. see you!

get in trouble, break code of conduct. see you!!!!

not getting it done in class or respecting teachers see you!

start getting another kicker ready for next year and years after

start letting #2 qb play the first qtr. of the jv game.

we have 12 or so coaches. have them work with others who stand on sideline at practice. see who might just want to step up.

freshman should be developing more than just 8 guys going both ways.

just a few thoghts that might work.

we have some who give it 110% all the time. like i said when i started this thread. give me 22 of #38, #30 and some others on this team. their DEDICATION AND DESIRE to be a TRUE TIGER gives me hope that we will have the program and the tradition that all of MASSILLON FANS WANT!!!

GO TIGERS!!
MASSILLON ALWAYS!!
GREAT, GREAT POST!

[Tiger54]

On face value, NO; giving up 24 points per game is NOT good.

However, keep in mind the offense isn't sustaining many drives to keeps the other team's offense -- and our defense -- off the field.


The "O" isn't helping the "D".

:stars:
Obviously, you were not at that game. One TD was an intercepted pass that went for an immediate TD, and there were probably 3 field goals so the 24 points don't exactly tell the whole story. And the D is on the field for most of the game because our O is not doing the job. And someone brought up a good point---are we training anyone to take Schott's position?

[longtimefirsttime]

And someone brought up a good point---are we training anyone to take Schott's position?

Nickels kicks for the JV team. Mike Clark also punts. Obviously, I can't say for certain what will happen next season. But we've certainly been spoiled by Schott's abilities. A kicker like that doesn't come along every year.

[tig62]

As I stated earlier on another thread, find a player at the lower level(7th/8th) who desires to be another Abdul/Schott with some natural ability and start to work with him NOW! :doh:

[GoFor3]

Hey longtimefirsttime and any REAL MASSILLON people.
The quote "a kicker like that doesn't come along every year"
That is such Horse crap!
I know the secret.
You want a great kicker and punter every year?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????/
It takes a coach that understands the technique and art of kicking a football,mental preparation,focus,belief in the kicker and getting the kicker to believe in himself.
How bout the field goal unit as a whole.Is the long snapper and holder getting enough practice together? With the kicker?With the team under pressure in practice?
There are so many more things that I can say about this...But why bother.
I know the secret.

[DAWGH8R]

I believe that kickers need to be groomed starting in their first year of middle school. It is better to take a kid that has never kicked, and teach him the CORRECT technique.

It is much harder to break bad habits that a kid could already have by the time he's in high school.

[GoFor3]

I guess...