Make it clear

[brm12]

Just want to stop in and let you people know how disgusted I get over this. You people that sit in the stands and shout out belittlement things to the coaches, or the ones who constantly get on here and type post after post talking negatively about the coaches, players, or the program HAVE NO CLUE. These players here you fans that belittle the coaches, they get on this site and see all the bickering, and the blame game. Im not saying take it easy on them, they know they got a hob to do, they are Massillon. What I am sayin is support these kids. When things are tough, dont hop off the bandwagon and question the coaches. Let these kids be Tigers, and let the staff be a staff. All this outside negativity is bull. It is hurting our program. You people who yell at the games and complain after have no clue what is going on behind closed doors, or what adversity there is to deal with. You are all outsiders looking in, and you are assuming certain things that are not true. So do this, support your coaches, and team. Dont belittle them, but encourage.

[Spize]

Just want to stop in and let you people know how disgusted I get over this. You people that sit in the stands and shout out belittlement things to the coaches, or the ones who constantly get on here and type post after post talking negatively about the coaches, players, or the program HAVE NO CLUE. These players here you fans that belittle the coaches, they get on this site and see all the bickering, and the blame game. Im not saying take it easy on them, they know they got a hob to do, they are Massillon. What I am sayin is support these kids. When things are tough, dont hop off the bandwagon and question the coaches. Let these kids be Tigers, and let the staff be a staff. All this outside negativity is bull. It is hurting our program. You people who yell at the games and complain after have no clue what is going on behind closed doors, or what adversity there is to deal with. You are all outsiders looking in, and you are assuming certain things that are not true. So do this, support your coaches, and team. Dont belittle them, but encourage.

Hey Coach, better keep the kids away from Mcdonald's in the morning then, I have heard a lot worse there than anywhere else.

Seriously though, there is a line and some cross it. Fortunately we have some good mods here on MP.com. At the games, who knows what you can do there. Massillon is a tough town to play for, and especially to coach in. As the head coach your every move is under scrutiny, good or bad, that is just the way it is. If your team is underperforming, then there are going to be questions asked, especially of the coach.

It is a way of life... getting personal is not and should not be tolerated. However asking why coach called this on 3rd and not that... that's football.

[Obie Wan]

You people that sit in the stands and shout out belittlement things to the coaches, or the ones who constantly get on here and type post after post talking negatively about the coaches, players, or the program HAVE NO CLUE.
This is a common misconception. I agree with you that loudmouths in stands are out of control. I agree that public criticism is often unnecessary and counterproductive. However, it is erroneous to assume a lack of knowledge. These are our kids, our friends, and our families on the team. Many of us know the coaches. In fact, there are people in this town who likely know more about the team than do some of those charged with its care.

In other words, we may not always post with discretion, but neither do we always post from ignorance.

[tiger74]

It just is really frustrating when the coach keeps doing the same things. If we are going to beat the good teams we play in div 1 we must be balanced. you can't line up against teams like solon, iggy or x and just try to run. developing a good line and qb really helps in this part of the game. If you can't pass it good teams will just stack the box. also the need to actually use a TE and not just block with him. I really think we need to get a GOOD oline coach and work on are TEAM SPEED!!! If they talked about how good the WV speed program was why not go back to it. If stacy really wants to win he will make some changes in the offseason. we need to get back to tiger football not one 12-1 season then 6-4 the next 2-3 years.

[tiger74]

while I know coaches can only do so much if kids aren't playing for the team and for themselves. these kids should be ON the bench and not playing. massillon is about team, heart and desire. there should be NO I in team.

[TigerDL71]

these kids should be ON the bench and not playing. massillon is about team, heart and desire. there should be NO I in team.

:iagree:

[austinsm11]

while I know coaches can only do so much if kids aren't playing for the team and for themselves. these kids should be ON the bench and not playing. massillon is about team, heart and desire. there should be NO I in team.

EXACTLY!

[DAWGH8R]

. Let these kids be Tigers, ..............

I wish they would be TIGERS !!!!! :weightlift:

[c1john]

hey BRM12- better not go to ANY game, ANY level, ANY where- this in not a Massillon thing and the parents are worse than anyone- I have kids in high school and I am there listening. Secondly, the kids don't have to come on Massillon Proud to see what the thoughts are- there are many sites and they don't hold back on them- and from what I understand, if you listened to the broadcast, the broadcasters were airing all Massillon's dirty laundry. Someone knows what the problems are, but you won't find it out here. Maybe if people knew the why's and what what going on, they wouldn't be so quick to criticize. There was lots of talk last night at the game about players not practicing and that has been a theme since the summer and sorry, but that IS a coaching issue and would be at any school.

[Red50Go]

Great idea. After 100 years lets stop fans from yelling things at football games. While we are at it, lets quit keeping score and do away w/ trophies unless everyone gets one. That way noone's feelings get hurt.

OF COURSE some people cross the line, if they yell an obsenity in front of children, single a player out. But you know what? It will always be there, in every town, so either find another sport or quit whining and toughen up. There is nothing wrong w/ being a tough town w/ tough kids. Thats the Massillon I grew up in. Not this panzy azz please dont boo us we cant help it we stink so bad boo hoo hoo.

[Red50Go]

Great post :no1: Most people have no clue the issues with this particular team.

You have no clue. Unless you just landed on earth we have LESS issues and MORE positive support than just about any team in any year in this town. The boosters, community, taxpayers, administration, the Davids of course, got behind Stacy 100%, provided him w/ everything he's asked for and MUCH more, and the last couple years group of kids are generally as trouble free as any we can typically hope for. Quit making meaningless excuses.

[man2man]

Unless you just landed on earth we have LESS issues and MORE positive support than just about any team in any year in this town..and the last couple years group of kids are generally as trouble free as any we can typically hope for.

You are uninformed or misinformed.

[brm12]

I know what it means to be a tiger. I also know that a coach cannot go out and block for the line, catch for the receivers, run for the backs, or hit for the defense. My whole intent for this post was to tell everyone that is not involved directly with this program, that you should not be negative towards anyone, if you do not know anything about what is going on behine the team doors

[Kick]

Red50, I agree with you. When my son stood on the sidelines, he told me they couldn't believe some of the things the fans were saying. But they were told to BUCK IT UP and that this is part of life! The PC nowadays is sickening. Boo hoo, those fans are so mean. Cry me a flippin' river

[RRanger]

Great idea. After 100 years lets stop fans from yelling things at football games. While we are at it, lets quit keeping score and do away w/ trophies unless everyone gets one. That way noone's feelings get hurt.

OF COURSE some people cross the line, if they yell an obsenity in front of children, single a player out. But you know what? It will always be there, in every town, so either find another sport or quit whining and toughen up. There is nothing wrong w/ being a tough town w/ tough kids. Thats the Massillon I grew up in. Not this panzy azz please dont boo us we cant help it we stink so bad boo hoo hoo.

Just support the kid's and coach's and, stop all this negative stuff we all want the same thing, WIN. BUT RIGHT NOW we have to take the bad with the good

[Red50Go]

Red50, I agree with you. When my son stood on the sidelines, he told me they couldn't believe some of the things the fans were saying. But they were told to BUCK IT UP and that this is part of life! The PC nowadays is sickening. Boo hoo, those fans are so mean. Cry me a flippin' river

Really, look around. Would you (or they) rather have the support of Mckinley? Or Perry, or Jackson, or Hoover, or Glenoak? Just about ANYone in Ohio? There will always be the occassional knucklehead out of 10,000+ fans but we support the team as well or better than anyone.

The other thing is we know when we are undersized, lacking talent, or against a superior opponent, etc, and we can tell when kids and coaches have played/coached their hearts out, win or lose. Look at the Mentor game.

We do have some real Tigers w/ real hearts. Trust us we can tell who - it shows. But you win as a team and lose as a team. Sometimes you do nothing to deserve it yet share in the glory, sometimes its the shame. Buck up.

[mike_da_man13]

team discipline is one thing, people are complaining about why we run on 3rd down or run at their strength. did you ever stop to think that maybe we don't have the personel to do the other things? all the blame shouldn't be directed at the coaches and if stacey does discipline like shepas did would he get the same rep shep did?

[Red50Go]

Just support the kid's and coach's and, stop all this negative stuff we all want the same thing, WIN. BUT RIGHT NOW we have to take the bad with the good

In the classroom, D's & F's are not "negative stuff". They are a problem that needs to be fixed, by somebody, somehow. Or we are just letting them down.

I will agree we dont need finger pointing, but suffice to say, for whatever reason, some of the negatives ARE negatives, so lets call them negatives ok?

[Spize]

you once again are ASSUMING its the coaches

When it is one game, it can be players, when it is 2 seasons, it is coaching

When it is one bad play, it can be players, when it is an entire game/season of unoriginal and extremely predictable play calling, it isn't the players.

[UnionTiger]

I have coached in small school programs and have seen week in and week out that the talent level of my teams did not match up to the weeks opponent more often than not. But I knew week after week we worked to get better at practice. Fundamentals were what we focused on not wins or losses because we knew the wins may not be there. We didn't let that get in the way of teaching the kids the things they needed to have if that chance to win was there. I see this in the Tigers this year. Not alot of talent at all positions to match that of other opponents, but most of all kids not be fundamentally sound so that we are ready for what the other team is doing. We play so predictable on the offense but so unpredictable on defense. We are on the field to much defensively for us to stop someone all night. The run is good when it works, but what do we have when it does not? Not much of a consistent passing attack. Why? It is both talent and coaching from what I see in the stands. Even been on the sidelines once and saw and heard alot of miscommunications from EVERYONE. This is coaching and not just the kids lacking in ability. Coachem up better, get all on the same page and play with pride and accountability. Point the finger at yourself as a coach and get the players ready. I always was taught and still do say: When you win it was the kids play that did it. When you lose it is the coaching and coaches fault. So get back on the saddle and do your best.

[Louisville Tiger]

If I hear one more negative comment, I swear I'm gonna have a meltdown!!

My brother is in town from Arizona and he just spent $300 at Sport Stuff for

all Tiger gear for him and his boys back home. Y'all are setting a bad

example for him. He wants to move here so try to keep things on the upbeat.

:dance:

[UnionTiger]

nobody is excited about losing. However if you see progress it is something to build on. I have not seen much to build on from the off. play calling. Even the Browns have opened up things with miss direction and reverses. The Tigers look bland and obviously three teams have watched film and took away all of the threats. Keep things simple on defense and they should be ok. A lot of people pointing fingers and too much arguing. Get on the same page and gut check each other and work hard to finish strong. You could lose every game from here on out but if you play hard and can say that you gave 100% all the time then there should be no regrets. No matter who says what... You put it all on the field and can tell yourself you did your best. Do you honestly think these kids want to lose! Get off there back and let them play. Good talent or bad talent these kids have pride, so keep supporting them. As for the coaches..wake up and figure out what you as a team do best and go with it. But also have plan B for when it doesn't work. Keep teaching and stop yelling.

[massillon catholic]

Who calls the plays?


According to an article in the Inde in June 2005, Stacy said there is no question. He will be calling the plays.

[WoodyHayes]

Just want to stop in and let you people know how disgusted I get over this. You people that sit in the stands and shout out belittlement things to the coaches, or the ones who constantly get on here and type post after post talking negatively about the coaches, players, or the program HAVE NO CLUE. These players here you fans that belittle the coaches, they get on this site and see all the bickering, and the blame game. Im not saying take it easy on them, they know they got a hob to do, they are Massillon. What I am sayin is support these kids. When things are tough, dont hop off the bandwagon and question the coaches. Let these kids be Tigers, and let the staff be a staff. All this outside negativity is bull. It is hurting our program. You people who yell at the games and complain after have no clue what is going on behind closed doors, or what adversity there is to deal with. You are all outsiders looking in, and you are assuming certain things that are not true. So do this, support your coaches, and team. Dont belittle them, but encourage. Maybe we will get a safety next week and show a little progress.

[Louisville Tiger]

Sometimes it's just hard to encourage those who don't care. You can only give so much support, but the players have to have the desire to play like a team and refuse to lose. I just don't see that this year. Sad but true.

[Kamd50]

Then let's exhibit our encouragement for the one's who do care and try to help them get through their Senior year with some dignity.

[Tiger54]

Really, look around. Would you (or they) rather have the support of Mckinley? Or Perry, or Jackson, or Hoover, or Glenoak? Just about ANYone in Ohio? There will always be the occassional knucklehead out of 10,000+ fans but we support the team as well or better than anyone.

The other thing is we know when we are undersized, lacking talent, or against a superior opponent, etc, and we can tell when kids and coaches have played/coached their hearts out, win or lose. Look at the Mentor game.

We do have some real Tigers w/ real hearts. Trust us we can tell who - it shows. But you win as a team and lose as a team. Sometimes you do nothing to deserve it yet share in the glory, sometimes its the shame. Buck up.
It appears to me that the "real Tigers w/real hearts" appear to be playing on the Defensive team!

[Red50Go]

It appears to me that the "real Tigers w/real hearts" appear to be playing on the Defensive team!

I dont know about that but...

Holding Iggy to 8 1st downs, 115 rushing 67 passing... very sad that performance gets lost in the wash. That should beat Iggy 7-8 times out of 10. Sad.

You'd have to say the D responded from the Mentor game like true Tigers! Great job guys.

[Catman]

team discipline is one thing, people are complaining about why we run on 3rd down or run at their strength. did you ever stop to think that maybe we don't have the personel to do the other things? all the blame shouldn't be directed at the coaches and if stacey does discipline like shepas did would he get the same rep shep did?

Mike you hit it RIGHT on!!!!! We don't have the personel at certain positions. The line has been trouble all year and we all know that. The coaches say that the players that are playing are the best that we have, however, the best this year is not getting the job done. The couches know we can't pass the ball and if you ever listen to them, then you can read between the lines. It's not the players fault, it's the cards that we have been dealt.

The run game is our strength, but to be able to use the run effectively we need to be able to throw the ball. For us to throw the ball we need the line to block. The kids are doing the best that they can, unfortunately the best isn't good enough. The coaches can't make average players into super stars. It's easy to sit here and say we need to open it up and pass the ball but have you looked at our passing statistics? The QB's we have are more equipped for a running team not a passing team. We have been blessed over the years with good QB's Justin Zwick, Matt Martin, and Bobby Huth. These guys had the ability to pass the ball with authority and precision and better yet know when not to pass the ball and when they needed to throw it away. Some of that can be coached and some of it is just instinct. We have been spoiled. The QB's we have now play hard but they aren't passing QB's. With the breakdowns on the line, the two just don't mesh.

We win as a team and we lose as a team.

[Benchboss1]

Mike you hit it RIGHT on!!!!! We don't have the personel at certain positions. The line has been trouble all year and we all know that. The coaches say that the players that are playing are the best that we have, however, the best this year is not getting the job done.



The one problem that I have with this post is that I don't agree with the statement that the players that are playing on the offensive line are the best that we have available to us.

Have we tried Yoder at tackle yet? No, we haven't. He is a good enough blocker to be a fullback, but he can't play tackle? Just does not add up.

Have we tried Sean Clark on the o-line yet? No, we haven't. Just like Yoder, he can play fullback and block all night, but he can't play guard, tackle or even tight end? Just does not add up.

How about trying Dennis Vargas at a guard spot? Have we tried that yet? No, we haven't.

How about putting Matt Rose at guard? Or tight end. In my opinion, we do not get good enough blocking from the tight end position.

Here is one possible line combination that we could try.

LT Meyers
LG Vargas
C Seidler
RG Dingler
RT Yoder
TE S. Clark


Thoughts?

[SECTION13PBTS]

TOO LATE!!!!!!!!

[steeltiger]

How can people say that we don't have the ability to throw? I saw these kids throw very successfully in the scrimmages. Now we have 16 and 17 year-olds in MASSILLON who can't throw a football? Come on! I bet you I could find 3 or 4 kids (minimum) on that sideline that could roll out and throw a 12-yard out for a 1st down... Oh wait... that page must be stuck together in the play book. Yes, there it is stuck right to the back of 34 and 35 dive.

[Red50Go]

The kids are doing the best that they can, unfortunately the best isn't good enough.

No offense, but thats a load of crap. You dont have all 4 d-linemen sack the qb at the same time before he even drops back. That happened 3 or 4 times Sat. night. In the playground that was a practical joke called opening the gates. It takes a real effort. W/ the talent at tailback & fullback, you dont fail to get a yard at so many crucial points w/out a serious lack of effort. Somehow our receivers rarely get open anymore either, and we are loaded there. We've seen what we can do when we try! It goes back to what Louisville Tiger said. Some of these guys are letting their coaches down, and more importantly themselves, and I am not too sure some of them give a squirt of piss about it.

Read TigerDon's booster report on Stacy's comments. Lack of effort. I almost feel bad for him. What I fault HIM for is putting up w/ it, and not marching right onto the field and yanking one or some of these guys straight to the bench.