Forget Uof Michigan--- Crable's stats and numbers! [Archive]

monte81

09-20-2007, 01:49 PM

massillon catholic

09-20-2007, 01:53 PM

Through 3 games ShawnCrable has 15 solo tackles with 8 assists, 8 tackles for loss, 5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, and 1 pass break up in 2007!!

1st round pick numbers????

I honostly want to see and hear what posters feel on the subject!! No UM/OSU talk just if Shawn is 1st round ready and what he has done so far this season through 3 games. I think he needs a few huge games during the big ten season to make sure--leave no doubts!!!!!

I want to wait and see what he does in the Big Ten before I make my prediction on whether he is 1st round worthy. One of his games was against a former D1AA and the other against hapless Notre Dame.

warren1st

09-20-2007, 02:15 PM

I want to wait and see what he does in the Big Ten before I make my prediction on whether he is 1st round worthy. One of his games was against a former D1AA and the other against hapless Notre Dame.

I agree. Too soon to tell.

On another note, he does need to get more aggressive as a captain with the D.

crazysob04

09-20-2007, 03:06 PM

I think he is first round ready regardless of who they have played so far. The combine testing can make or break a prospect's draft status. The combine will definately make crable's stock rise. He will be one of the fastest if not the fastest linebackers in the draft class. Not to mention his freakish upperbody strength to go along with the speed.

MRR55

09-20-2007, 04:14 PM

your a bunch of haters!!! Crable is a beast!! 1st round pick no doubt!!!

MTown

09-20-2007, 05:18 PM

The thing he has going for him is that he'll have AWESOME combine numbers. He still needs to have a few impact games and that D just has to play better or he'll end up being lumped in with the rest of them.

monte81

09-29-2007, 10:16 PM

I want to wait and see what he does in the Big Ten before I make my prediction on whether he is 1st round worthy. One of his games was against a former D1AA and the other against hapless Notre Dame.

Leads the Big Ten in tackles for loss!!! Had a monster game again today against Northwestern and should be a 1st round pick!!!

warren1st

09-29-2007, 10:17 PM

Leads the Big Ten in tackles for loss!!! Had a monster game again today against Northwestern and should be a 1st round pick!!!

I agree. 1st round no doubt. It's a good thing he had a monster game!!

monte81

10-01-2007, 01:56 PM

Leads UM in tackles with 27, #2 in the NATION in tackles for loss and #22 in the nation in sacks! Plays 3-point DE and OLB. NFL GM's are going to love him becuse of the versitile scemes he will allow in the 4-3 or 3-4 pro defenses!!!

TigerCoach

10-01-2007, 02:17 PM

monte81

10-01-2007, 03:18 PM

I like Shawn's 5 sacks, but a lot of times I see him get neutralized by the blocker on run plays. I like him better at a stand-up OLB versus a down DE. I'm not sure he is strong enough to handle an NFL lineman or TE. I would also like to see him get more aggressive, at times he seems to coast. I still think he's a 1st rounder, but at this moment, it may be towards the bottom of the 1st. He's nota top 10 pick YET.

You and I know it is difficult to go from stand up OLB to DE! I think he is making adjustments and getting better at it from week to week. Crable will be a rush linebacker in the 3-4 and I want him to be drafted by the RAVENS!(I know people hate them but its the best sceme for his style of play or maybe even the Cowboys. LaMar Woodley is making an impact with the Steelers and I expect Shawn to have as much or more next season!

longtimefirsttime

10-02-2007, 12:56 AM

I took off my scarlet and gray colored glasses for a moment a few months ago and said he would go in the first round. I still believe that if he maintains his level of play and avoids injury.

RAPTOR

10-02-2007, 04:46 PM

Not only does this kid have enough talent to go in the 1st round, but i think he might have what it takes to end up in Canton someday.

obie0130

10-02-2007, 05:07 PM

there's still a long, long way to go.

warren1st

10-13-2007, 07:59 PM

monte - I don't think anyone should "forget Michigan."

monte81

10-14-2007, 08:57 AM

monte - I don't think anyone should "forget Michigan."

The way the season is going in college football we still could end up back in the top 10 by the end of the season!!

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 10:17 AM

The way the season is going in college football we still could end up back in the top 10 by the end of the season!!

No way. You can't lose to App. State and be ranked in the top 10.

warren1st

10-14-2007, 10:40 AM

No way. You can't lose to App. State and be ranked in the top 10.
Then let's suppose UM beats #1 ranked OSU. Are you saying UM still doesn't crack the top 10?

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 10:43 AM

Then let's suppose UM beats #1 ranked OSU. Are you saying UM still doesn't crack the top 10?

So Stanford should be ranked in the top 10 then? Or maybe Oregon State?

warren1st

10-14-2007, 10:54 AM

So Stanford should be ranked in the top 10 then? Or maybe Oregon State?

You're not answering the question. If, and of course it's a big IF, Michigan runs the table the rest of the year and beats the Bucks, they shouldn't be rated in the top 10? Please!!

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 10:55 AM

You're not answering the question. If, and of course it's a big IF, Michigan runs the table the rest of the year and beats the Bucks, they shouldn't be rated in the top 10? Please!!

No, they shouldn't. I don't even think OSU is #1 either.

Now, answer mine.

warren1st

10-14-2007, 11:57 AM

No, they shouldn't. I don't even think OSU is #1 either.

Now, answer mine.

No, I don't think Stanford nor Oregon St. should be in the top 10; however, I wouldn't mind having Jim Harbaugh as our next head coach if we can't get Les Miles.

Maybe OSU shouldn't be #1 but what is, is. I really can't believe your premise about losing to App. St. I kinda think it's how you finish.

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 12:03 PM

No, I don't think Stanford nor Oregon St. should be in the top 10; however, I wouldn't mind having Jim Harbaugh as our next head coach if we can't get Les Miles.

Maybe OSU shouldn't be #1 but what is, is. I really can't believe your premise about losing to App. St. I kinda think it's how you finish.

You lost to App. State who isn't even ranked top 5 in 1-AA at this point. You lost to Oregon who, imo, won't be in the top 10 when it is all said and done. You give up 22 to freaking Eastern Michigan.

It is how you finish? Ok...Michigan wins out and beats who? Wisconsin and Illinois who will probably not be ranked when you play them.

So you beat a ranked OSU, who I really want to be ranked #1, but I just don't see it and think you deserve top 10? Please.

warren1st

10-14-2007, 12:09 PM

We shall see.

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 12:11 PM

We shall see.

Although maybe us OSU fans should hope for that and everyone in Michigan is happy and decides to keep Lloyd around another 5 years.

Anything to keep Miles away.

warren1st

10-14-2007, 01:32 PM

Anything to keep Miles away.

Why? Miles lost and Carr won!! lol!!:poke:

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 04:03 PM

Why? Miles lost and Carr won!! lol!!:poke:

:poke:

Ummm....Miles didn't lose at home to a I-AA team while giving them 400,000 to do it.
The LSU defense may not be as good as some thought...but I bet they don't give up 39 to Oregon or 22 to Eastern Michigan.

Ok, let's play out your scenario. Let's also say App. State wins out AND wins a playoff championship. Would you rank them ahead of Michigan in your top 10?

warren1st

10-14-2007, 05:13 PM

:poke:

Ummm....Miles didn't lose at home to a I-AA team while giving them 400,000 to do it.
The LSU defense may not be as good as some thought...but I bet they don't give up 39 to Oregon or 22 to Eastern Michigan.

Ok, let's play out your scenario. Let's also say App. State wins out AND wins a playoff championship. Would you rank them ahead of Michigan in your top 10?

No. I'm just saying that IF a school wins 9 straightand then beats the #1 team in the country, they sure as heck belong in the Top 10. I think your dislike for Michigan is clouding your objectivity.

Btw, I agree on EMU. UM stunk again. I don't really know what to think. In reality they will probably stumble again before they play OSU. However, they just may play like a team possessed against the Buckeyes and the talent is there to whip OSU. I like Michigan's chances in THE GAME." Also, really, who has Ohio St. beaten? Do I think JT is the best country? Absolutely. Do I think he'll be harder to beat in AA than 2003? You bet. My only concern is that if Lloyd wins, he will stay.

As I said, we shall see.

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 05:22 PM

No. I'm just saying that IF a school wins 9 straightand then beats the #1 team in the country, they sure as heck belong in the Top 10. I think your dislike for Michigan is clouding your objectivity.

You can't be serious.

How quickly you forget:
I was one of the only ones who agreed at the time last year that OSU vs. Michigan should be a rematch in the championship game. Thanks for playing.

I never said OSU has played anyone to this point. I also said I really don't think they are the #1 team in the country.

Who cares if they win 9 straight? If their 2 losses are to a 1-AA team and another team who isn't in the top 10, they don't belong. You also didn't answer my question....if App. State runs the table, do they get ranked ahead of Michigan in the top ten?

Why would/should a team who loses 2 games and has only beaten one team (maybe 2) who is ranked at the end of the season be ranked in the top 10?

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 05:30 PM

Let's say OSU loses to YSU and Washington. They then run the table, but only beat Kent 33-22. The only team they beat on their schedule who is ranked at the end of the year is Penn State or Wisconsin. They beat a #1 ranked Michigan at the end of the year. I don't have them ranked top ten. Probably top 25, but no way top 10.

warren1st

10-14-2007, 05:48 PM

You can't be serious.

How quickly you forget:
I was one of the only ones who agreed at the time last year that OSU vs. Michigan should be a rematch in the championship game. Thanks for playing.

I never said OSU has played anyone to this point. I also said I really don't think they are the #1 team in the country.

Who cares if they win 9 straight? If their 2 losses are to a 1-AA team and another team who isn't in the top 10, they don't belong. You also didn't answer my question....if App. State runs the table, do they get ranked ahead of Michigan in the top ten?

Why would/should a team who loses 2 games and has only beaten one team (maybe 2) who is ranked at the end of the season be ranked in the top 10?

I did answer your question. My first sentence was, "No." App. St. loss to Wofford :) a couple of weeks after beating Michigan.

I know you and MTown have been the fairest of all the Buckeye fans. Trust me, I've always appreciated that. That's why I'm surprised at your veracity of thinking Michigan belongs nowhere but under the bus regardless of how they perform the rest of the year.

I remember your saying there should have been a rematch last year. I guess we were both wrong on that one! I guess it should have been FL vs. SCal.

Let me say one more thing about App. St. They were one hell of a good football team with much athleticism who came into the Big House to face a team who thought all they had to do was show up to win. I think they could surprise more than a few Div. 1-A teams.

How do you explain Ball St. losing to UM by 5-6 points a couple of years ago and yet OSU barely squeaks by UM? Does that mean Ohio only beats Ball St. by 10 points? I hardly think so. All the more resaon for LC to retire at season's end.

warren1st

10-14-2007, 05:50 PM

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 05:59 PM

So this is the first time EVER that a I-AA team beats a ranked I-A team and you want them ranked in the top 10? Come on.

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 06:07 PM

You're kinda stretching on this one. YSU cannot compare to App. ST. Washington is sorry compared to Oregon. I'll give you KSU and EMU.

My point was that you imply that winning 9 straight, no matter who it is and what their record is, and beating the #1 team should earn a top 10 spot. We all know that with OSU/Michigan, just like Massillon/McKinley, anything can happen.

Other than a #1 OSU team, who would Michigan have played AND beat? Penn State is a good win, but that is it. I'm not saying that OSU plays anyone tougher, but they also don't have 2 losses either (assuming this whole scenario we are debating plays out).

warren1st

10-14-2007, 09:19 PM

My point was that you imply that winning 9 straight, no matter who it is and what their record is, and beating the #1 team should earn a top 10 spot. We all know that with OSU/Michigan, just like Massillon/McKinley, anything can happen.

Other than a #1 OSU team, who would Michigan have played AND beat? Penn State is a good win, but that is it. I'm not saying that OSU plays anyone tougher, but they also don't have 2 losses either (assuming this whole scenario we are debating plays out).

You don't think winning at Illinois is big or winning at Wisconsin (both evening games I believe) the week before OSU is not huge? OH, again, you like most OSU fans don't seem to realize the intensity of UM-MSU which is coming up also. Give me a break. I can't believe how closed-minded you are about this scenario!

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 09:27 PM

You don't think winning at Illinois is big or winning at Wisconsin (both evening games I believe) the week before OSU is not huge? OH, again, you like most OSU fans don't seem to realize the intensity of UM-MSU which is coming up also. Give me a break. I can't believe how closed-minded you are about this scenario!

What are those teams ranked? I hope that Michigan's losing ways havent' reduced its' fan base to consider beating Illinois, Wisconsin, or MSU HUGE games.
There is a good chance that all 3 are not ranked to end the year.

Those are good big ten teams, but in the big scheme of things....not so great.

warren1st

10-14-2007, 09:43 PM

What are those teams ranked? I hope that Michigan's losing ways havent' reduced its' fan base to consider beating Illinois, Wisconsin, or MSU HUGE games.
There is a good chance that all 3 are not ranked to end the year.

Those are good big ten teams, but in the big scheme of things....not so great.

Well, gee, you might just find out how good these teams are when you play them in Columbus in the upcoming weeks.

Btw, don't worry about our fan base. If you want to continue with the snide remarks, I'll end this discussion now.

austinsm11

10-14-2007, 09:53 PM

Well, gee, you might just find out how good these teams are when you play them in Columbus in the upcoming weeks.

Btw, don't worry about our fan base. If you want to continue with the snide remarks, I'll end this discussion now.

I'm not saying that OSU won't lose to any of those teams...anything can happen. Please explain to me how Illinois is a huge win. You should beat them. So should OSU. They have about 3 conference wins in the last 3 years and you think that is a huge game? Zook has them headed in the right direction, but I don't see the contending for a big ten title for another year or two. A middle of the pack big ten team is a huge win? Please explain.

Assuming the following finish pretty well, how do you go about convincing LSU, USC, South Carolina, Florida, Arizona state, Cal, Va Tech, Missouri, etc. that your HUGE wins over Illinois, MSU, and Wisconsin (along with Ohio State who hasn't played anyone) puts you in the same category with them.

monte81

10-15-2007, 10:47 AM

I'm not saying that OSU won't lose to any of those teams...anything can happen. Please explain to me how Illinois is a huge win. You should beat them. So should OSU. They have about 3 conference wins in the last 3 years and you think that is a huge game? Zook has them headed in the right direction, but I don't see the contending for a big ten title for another year or two. A middle of the pack big ten team is a huge win? Please explain.

Assuming the following finish pretty well, how do you go about convincing LSU, USC, South Carolina, Florida, Arizona state, Cal, Va Tech, Missouri, etc. that your HUGE wins over Illinois, MSU, and Wisconsin (along with Ohio State who hasn't played anyone) puts you in the same category with them.

Because most or all of those teams you just mentioned may have 2 loses as well by the end of the season!

warren1st

10-15-2007, 04:54 PM

Because most or all of those teams you just mentioned may have 2 loses as well by the end of the season! Monte - I think you're right on the money. Also, it's better to have early season losses than later on. Yes, I think the Illini are tough and wouldn't be at all surprised to see them put a hurt on the Wolverines. Nor would I be surprised to see MSU, Wisconsin or OSU beat them and vice-versa.

austinsm11

10-15-2007, 05:31 PM

Because most or all of those teams you just mentioned may have 2 loses as well by the end of the season!

And yet none of them will be to a I-AA team.

austinsm11

10-15-2007, 05:50 PM

Monte - I think you're right on the money. Also, it's better to have early season losses than later on. Yes, I think the Illini are tough and wouldn't be at all surprised to see them put a hurt on the Wolverines. Nor would I be surprised to see MSU, Wisconsin or OSU beat them and vice-versa.

I completely agree with you. But you are saying those would be HUGE wins. What I am saying is that the voters, imo, see OSU or Michigan beating Illinois or MSU as no big deal as compared to an SEC team beating ranked SEC team or PAC team, for example. Let's be honest...the Big Ten isn't exactly a force this year.

I don't like the early season loss thing either, especially with conferences that have a title game. LSU could have won out and lossed in the conference championship barely and now a team that lost to a weak team in September can pass them in the standings. Just doesn't seem right.