Massillon vs McKinley #2 rivalry in Nation

[Tiger paw]

Seems some good ol' Oklahoma boys coming to Canton insisting the Massillon vs McKinley rivalry is not the #1 rivalry in the country.

Seems the Tulsa Union(Oklahoma) vs Jenks rivalry with there 40,000 vocal and radical fans claim right to the #1 rivalry in the Nation.

It's some good stuff to hear and read about floating around on the Internet.Can it be true? Check it out tiger faithfull.....

[ChronicTiger]

I know what is # 1 to me....as to what some dudes in Okie dokie homa think........WHO CARES!

Go Tigers! Punk the Pups.....

[#19FatherTiger]

What else do they have to look forward too? A tornado? Tumbleweed races?

We know who is #1 and we also know that we OWN the puppies!!

:TIG2: :ERS2:

[MTigers006]

Anyone,Anytime,Anyplace! Enough said.

TIG

[CarlE]

What else do they have to look forward too? A tornado? Tumbleweed races?

We know who is #1 and we also know that we OWN the puppies!!

:TIG2: :ERS2:

Have we ever had 40,000 for the Massillon/McKinley game? And I've been to Oklahoma, Oke City in fact. Trust me when I tell you your post comes from not knowing anything about the place. You are NOT in NYC my friend.

[tigermorgan77]

we have come close to 33,000!!!!!!! we drew 32,219 at the rubber bowl in '94!!

GO TIGERS! BEAT SOLON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TigerVic]

A rivalry is not judged by attendance only, although I know our attendances would be higher in many years except for the "inadequacy" of our stadiums!

How long has this OK rivalry been in existance? Have they consistantly been the focal point of the state or nation with titles (or playoff hopes, etc.) riding on the line? Have they consistantly featured future stars and great coaches who have made their mark on the sport in later years? Have they featured sub-traditions such as parades, dinners, etc for decades on through? How many miles apart are they and do they engender a certain feeling in the stomachs of the opposite team's fans when their name is mentioned or colors seen?

I could go on.

[Seeker]

I could go on.


Do they have a betting line in Vegas?

[massillon catholic]

On my way to Arizona last year, I went through Okla City. There were more rodeo arenas than football stadiums!

[DAWGH8R]

Do they have a betting line in Vegas?

Massillon and McK no longer do. Haven't for a while now !!

[TigerVic]

I had a student once from Jenks- nice guy. He said football was big out there, but not as big as Massillon-McKinley (Of course I might have exaggerrated to him a bit- esp. the part of having a lucky fan sacrificed before the game)

[CarlE]

I never said it was bigger. All I was doing was pointing out what a dope post someone made saying there was nothing to do in Oklahoma City when THEY live in Massillon. Just trust me on this one, OK? I'm right.

[angfento]

I went to a Jenks-Union game the first year I moved to Oklahoma. I had to see what all the hype was about... I haven't been back since! It was BORING! I felt like I was watching a junior high game,there were so many mistakes and just unorganized! The halftime shows were very subpar. They played at Tulsa University Stadium and it was barely full. Sorry nothing can compare to Ohio (Tiger) Football!

[angfento]

http://www.kingofthemountainthemovie.com/index.html

[angfento]

Listed by one source as the number one high school football rivalry in the country, the Union vs. Jenks game is a great american rivalry. Played annually at the University of Tulsa’s Skelly Stadium, the Mid-First Bank Backyard Bowl draws 20,000 fans, with some games topping 30,000, and the record maxing out at 40,035. Most schools across the country would be lucky to draw 40,000 for the entire season, but this is just one game, some might say “THE” game.

There are 14 state titles between the two teams. Union owning three 6A titles (‘05, ‘04, ‘02) and one Class C title (‘63). Jenks has eight 6A Titles (‘03, ‘01, ‘00, ‘99, ‘98, ‘97, ‘96, ‘93) one 5A Title (‘82) and one 3A Title (‘79). These two teams leave little doubt why this game is such a long, historic rivalry.

Under new head football coach Kevin Wright, formerly of Warren Central in Indianapolis, Union hopes to reverse the trend that Jenks has been setting in recent years. Jenks has won the last two Backyard Bowls, 17 to 13 in 2004, and a real shootout with a score of 48 to 44 in 2005. For a game that resumed in 1976, after going on a 23 year hiatus, the Backyard Bowl is a true rivalry, full of history and tradition, with mere miles separating the two schools.

Jenks, won the Backyard Bowl last year and may have won the battle, but Union won the war in 2005, winning the State 6A Championship for the third time. Between these two teams, no other high school in Class 6A in Oklahoma has won the state title since 1995.

Jenks leads the all-time series 27 to 11, but Union is not going to back down. There have been times in which the winner of the Backyard Bowl has failed to make the sweep. So the series for the year was split, with one team holding the Backyard Bowl trophy, and the other holding the State Championship trophy.

You can bet that this game, like all of the rest, will be forever remembered as one of the classics of the Backyard Bowl. This game is featured as one of the 2006 Great American Rivalry Series, because it is just that, a Great American Rivalry.

[jester]

How long hasthis game been going on? We are #1 because how long it has been going on

[massillon catholic]

How long hasthis game been going on? We are #1 because how long it has been going on


They've played 38 times. You can't even be considered until you reach 100.

[angfento]

This brought up a question in my mind as I began looking into Massillon history...anyone have an thoughts on why there were only 2 games some seasons then back up to 8 or 9 then back down?

1904- Massillon played 8 Games
3-4-1


1905 Massillon Played 3 games 1-0-1


1906 1-2 Coach: Merwin


1907 3-4-1 Coach: Hall


1908 1-1 Hall


1909 Massillon Played 10 games

[massillon catholic]

What is this mumbo-jumbo?

[TigerVic]

This brought up a question in my mind as I began looking into Massillon history...anyone have an thoughts on why there were only 2 games some seasons then back up to 8 or 9 then back down?

1904- Massillon played 8 Games
3-4-1


1905 Massillon Played 3 games 1-0-1


1906 1-2 Coach: Merwin


1907 3-4-1 Coach: Hall


1908 1-1 Hall


1909 Massillon Played 10 games

Things were quite erratic in the early days on whether there would be interest in forming a team, whether there could be an "advisor" or coach for the team, and what other schools had teams in a particular year.

OSU went through the same sort of thing during the same era and I'm sure other HS's and colleges did too, except for the established "football schools" of the day- Ivy League, Michigan, Chicago, etc. I think OSU's first game ever was played in the springtime!

[CATS44]

They can claim anything they want.

Doesnt make it so.

Rivalries need more than merely two consistently good teams to make it to the top of the list. They need history, tradition, national media exposure, great names, color, and staying power.

Jenks-Union certainly is a great rivalry. But it cant match Massillon-McKinley in any of those categories.

PBTS and Fawcett are football shrines. We have names like Paul Brown, Harry Stuhldreher, Marion Motley, Earle Bruce, Ben Schwartzwalter...all of them long before 38 years ago. The NFL sprang from the bowels of Stark County. When the NFL makes its annual trip back to its roots, it plays a game at Fawcett. The brand of football we see now was birthed here in the 1930s. The color was also birthed right here by George Bird. What we see at halftime of nearly every game at every level started with the TSB.

Massillon-McKinley is #1, and nobody else is close.

[Dead Head]

Well said Cats44........I can say I'm Jerry freaking Garcia and that doesn't make it so......ask the kids from the out of state teams in last years Herbie games what they think of PBTS and the Tiger tradition they soaked up while in town!

[CarlE]

Well said Cats44........I can say I'm Jerry freaking Garcia and that doesn't make it so......ask the kids from the out of state teams in last years Herbie games what they think of PBTS and the Tiger tradition they soaked up while in town!

Jerry!! Jerry!!! I KNEW you didn't leave us. I KNEW you would be back.

[Dead Head]

Shhhhhh.......Elvis and I are putting the band back together!

[Striker300]

We have the oldest longest rivalry in the country. The signings for the original NFL were in Stark County. There is more football tradition in Stark County than anywhere in th U.S.A. That is why we have the Pro Football Hall Of Fame! It takes more than a few state titles to supplant this rivalry!

[fyrewood]

We have the oldest longest rivalry in the country. The signings for the original NFL were in Stark County. There is more football tradition in Stark County than anywhere in th U.S.A. That is why we have the Pro Football Hall Of Fame! It takes more than a few state titles to supplant this rivalry!

Actually there are quite a few schools that have older/longer rivalries than Massillon vs. McKinley....See here at the link:http://www.nflhs.com/news/records/11man_team_misc.asp

[Tiger paw]

The Oklahoma boys are now also saying Tulsa Union(Oklahoma) and Jenks have the best fans in the NATION.

Not just the number of fans,but the best fan base and fanatical fans in the NATION.

Check it out guys.

[wa_tigerfan]

This is just getting stupid now.... you and I both know that the Massillon- McKinley rivalry is the best one in the nation. Hell, growing up, my Dad had a Massillon Tiger bug guarg on the truck and I sware someone in every state would ask if we were going to beat McKinley that year.

As far as the fans... We have the best fans. I would bet my house on it!!!

[#19FatherTiger]

A rivalry is not judged by attendance only, although I know our attendances would be higher in many years except for the "inadequacy" of our stadiums!

How long has this OK rivalry been in existance? Have they consistantly been the focal point of the state or nation with titles (or playoff hopes, etc.) riding on the line? Have they consistantly featured future stars and great coaches who have made their mark on the sport in later years? Have they featured sub-traditions such as parades, dinners, etc for decades on through? How many miles apart are they and do they engender a certain feeling in the stomachs of the opposite team's fans when their name is mentioned or colors seen?

I could go on.

AMEN

This is the point I was making. Attendence is nothing. Playing 38 times, come on they are only beginning to have a rivalry. When they have the history and national support that Massillon has maybe they could step foot in our stadium to play us.
My brother was in Florida this winter playing in a softball tournament and he was wearing a Massillon sweatshirt between games. He said that he could not believe that he had people coming up to him asking him when did he go to Massillon. They had teams from all over the country at the tournament.

[SuperBran]

Listed by one source as the number one high school football rivalry in the country...

key word = one

There are 14 state titles between the two teams.

advantage mass/mck

These two teams leave little doubt why this game is such a long, historic rivalry.

i guess in oklahoma 38 games is considered long and historic.

Jenks leads the all-time series 27 to 11

doesn't seem like much of a rivalry when it's this one-sided.

[TigerVic]

Listed by one source as the number one high school football rivalry in the country

Was the source the Inde or the Rep?

[painlessPaulus@aol.com]

The 1905 were pro games not high school... Massillon was in the "super bowl" in 1911...LOL

[Tiger paw]

Was the source the Inde or the Rep?

Actually the USA Today rated Tulsa Union(Oklahoma)vs Jenks the #1 rivalry in the Nation.

[tiger#22]

Actually the USA Today rated Tulsa Union(Oklahoma)vs Jenks the #1 rivalry in the Nation.

This coming from a newspaper that has only been around for 25 years and that was probably the opinion of the high school writer who more then likely isnt even 35 years old. Although I dont remember Tulsa and Jenks getting a cover story in the sports section like the Tigers and Bulldogs did back in the 90's.

[massillonmaroon]

There is no debate:

- number 2 all time wins (Massillon) in the US versus number 5 all time wins

- number 1 all time wins (Massillon)

- numerous state and national championships

- links back to the start of professional football

- numerous all ohio, all american players

- more than 100 years of rivalry games - 8 miles apart

- tradition, pageantry, hugh crowds

It's not even close - it's not just about crowd sizes. Bring some of these OKIES back in late October for McKinley week and they will change their minds.

[Dead Head]

Better idea......bring dem dar Okies to the Herbie one of these years for some TIGER beat down action and let the Pups take out the other wannabe!

[TigerVic]

USA Today named Massillon-McKinley the #1 rivalry in 1993. However, this was during the infancy of the glorious Tulsa Union-Jenks rivalry.

[wa_tigerfan]

Did Okie have a highschool player on the box of wheaties?.... We did :)

[angfento]

hmmm??? Does Jenks vs. Union get a spot in Vegas? So there! :p

[longtimefirsttime]

They've played 38 times? Play for 113 years then get back to me.

They had a 23 year hiatus? Can you imagine if someone suggested taking a break from the Tigers-Pups series? They would be thrown out of town.

[longtimefirsttime]

The Tulsa Union fans are talking a lot of trash. They may have to make me root for McKinley..... GULP!

I will give Jenks this. Their facilities are decent.
Jenks:
http://jenkstrojanfootball.com/end_zone_plans.html
(It's fairly similar to how the South end zone will look at PBTS next year.)

Tulsa Union's Tuttle Stadium reportedly seats around 9-thousand.

They play their annual rivalry game at Tulsa University's stadium. It's about the same size as the Rubber Bowl.

[TigerVic]

They play their annual rivalry game at Tulsa University's stadium. It's about the same size as the Rubber Bowl.

We should send the OHSAA to re-count those attendance figures!

[ChronicTiger]

The Tulsa Union fans are talking a lot of trash. They may have to make me root for McKinley..... GULP!

I will give Jenks this. Their facilities are decent.
Jenks:
http://jenkstrojanfootball.com/end_zone_plans.html
(It's fairly similar to how the South end zone will look at PBTS next year.)

Tulsa Union's Tuttle Stadium reportedly seats around 9-thousand.

They play their annual rivalry game at Tulsa University's stadium. It's about the same size as the Rubber Bowl.

Who isnt rooting for the pups in this one? The last thing I need is some out of state team coming in and spanking our biggest rival. I hope Mck puts the beat down on them and then of course we punk the pups......that will solve all the trash talking......

:weightlift:

[longtimefirsttime]

I want Ohio to win the series. I've tried to root for McKinley before. But when the game starts I just cannot do it.

[Tiger paw]

I'll be there saturday night to see this O'kee powerhouse get derailed.AND if they don't bring 5,000 fans, there is no validity to there claims.:smile:

[ChronicTiger]

I want Ohio to win the series. I've tried to root for McKinley before. But when the game starts I just cannot do it.

:cylon:

[longtimefirsttime]

As I mentioned before, I want Ohio to win the series. If McKinley wins, great for Ohio. But I won't be jumping up and down for them to win.

Remember many of the comments when Massillon played against the Arizona team last year? And most of their fans were cheering for Massillon against St. X in the state title game in 05 right? Um......no.

[CarlE]

I'll be there saturday night to see this O'kee powerhouse get derailed.AND if they don't bring 5,000 fans, there is no validity to there claims.:smile:

Really? When was the last time we took 5,000 fans anywhere? Certainly not that rat-hole Cincinnati last year.

[massillon catholic]

Really? When was the last time we took 5,000 fans anywhere? Certainly not that rat-hole Cincinnati last year.

McKinley 2005 (games 1 and 2), St Ed's 2005, St. Xavier 2005

[Catman]

We definitely have the best rivalry in high school football but one thing I can say for sure.....I used to do business in Tulsa and Oklahoma City for about 10 years and they have some of the finest women in the land. That helps any rivalry! lol :rockon:

GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beat SOLON!
:gotigers:

[DAWGH8R]

.....I used to do business in Tulsa and Oklahoma City for about 10 years and they have some of the finest women in the land......:


Apparently, you've never been to Vegas !!

[CarlE]

Apparently, you've never been to Vegas !!

Yeah, bro but you don't have to PAY for Oke City women.

Now, when Tulsa/Jenks gets the coverage EVER that we got for the 100th anniversary they can squawk. Until then, shut the hell UP!!

[wa_tigerfan]

Yeah, bro but you don't have to PAY for Oke City women.

Now, when Tulsa/Jenks gets the coverage EVER that we got for the 100th anniversary they can squawk. Until then, shut the hell UP!!

:iagree: Word!!!

[DAWGH8R]

Yeah, bro but you don't have to PAY for Oke City women.



What's a few hundred bucks for a night of fun ???

[SuperBran]

What's a few hundred bucks for a night of fun ???

does that include the shot of penicillin?

[bthart22]

I've been to Oklahoma. It's not surprising that some kid living there would mumble ridiculous statements that are both stupid and unsupported by historical fact after living in such a paradise ... but it was probably a real plus that the kid wiped the tobacco spit off of his chin during the interview.

[obie 66]

Back in the early days footbal was a "Club Sport", weren't a lot of other clubs around.

We drew 60,000 in Cleveland Stadium for a game against Cathedral Latin, I believe.