Who else DOESN'T miss..

[Paul Brown]

The quick kick 4-5 times a game. This may be may favorite part about Stacy... the willingness to try a play on 3rd down.

[FENTON 57]

You know I wasn't a fan of Shepas' quick kicks with Justin Zwick.............But if you are looking at a 3rd and 15 then it isn't such a bad idea

[Paul Brown]

yes it is.

[DAWGH8R]

Depends on FIELD POSITION. If you are in a close , defensive game and pinned to your own goal line, and quick kick on 3rd down, it can change the whole makeup of a game.

In some games, especially low scoring affairs, field position dictates EVERYTHING !!

[CarlE]

Once a game maybe. Four or five times a game is nothing short of admitting no confidence in your offense.

[monte81]

Once a game maybe. Four or five times a game is nothing short of admitting no confidence in your offense.

TRUE! As a coach you must have confidence in your offense to run a play on 3rd down EXPECTING to pick up the first down. Once a game is to much unless like DAWG said we are backed up in our endzone but every game 4-5 times is crazy! Coaching not to lose is a big differance than coaching to win!

[TigerCoach]

The quick kick 4-5 times a game. This may be may favorite part about Stacy... the willingness to try a play on 3rd down.

What game have you been watching? I've never seen a game with 4-5 quick kiks?

[Fats]

What game have you been watching? I've never seen a game with 4-5 quick kiks?


I do not remember that happening that many times a game, maybe in the season. Not being that football smart, but I think the times we used it worked out pretty good. We pinned back the opponent, now if the defense did not hold that is another story.

[Banks]

Interesting topic.

In 2001 we punted 34 times
12 of those were Zwicks quick kicks

[TIGER27]

I loved the quick kick its a game of inches and with Zwick's punting ability why not put them 20 yards deeper. It's not a lack of confidence in your offense but showing of confidence in your defense.

[tiger embalmer]

I recall that a few of those quick kicks work out in our favor a number of times

[CarlE]

I recall that a few of those quick kicks work out in our favor a number of times

I recall a number of them didn't.

[TigerVic]

I recall a number of them didn't.

I recall one at Mansfield when we had a 3rd and long, but around our own 40. I think it did make the game much more exciting than it needed to be.

I was surprised he never quick-kicked inside the opponent's 15.

However, those days ARE passed (or should we fire/resign Shepas again?).

BEAT SOLON!

[proud to be]

You know I wasn't a fan of Shepas' quick kicks with Justin Zwick.............But if you are looking at a 3rd and 15 then it isn't such a bad idea

Remember 3rd and 30?

[Benchboss1]

I recall a number of them didn't.


I was unaware that there is a guaranteed to work play in football.:help2:

[WooTiger70]

Shepas NEVER quick kicked 4-5 times in a game. He may have used it twice in one game, but someone would have to show me those stats.

I can believe that Zwick punted the ball 12 times in a season, but I would not be too quick to think that these were all on third down. We played 14 games that year, so this is less than one per game even if all 12 of these were on third down. We also won 12 games, so the strategy must not have been too suicidal!

There is a time in a game when a quick kick is sound strategy. Did Shepas over-use this strategy...perhaps, but I don't think we need to go back half a dozen years to find something to whine about. (Several people on this site are finding lots of present-day situations to whine about:sad2:)

It has always been my philosophy that the persons who we pay to coach, spend dozens of hours per week with the atheletes, and have many, many more years of coaching experience at this level than any of us just MIGHT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!

Any strategy that is used by these coaches has a chance to work, or not work. We can't keep taking the times when a strategy doesn't work and make the coach out to be a fool.

Hindsight is 20-20.

SUPPORT THE TEAM...SUPPORT THE COACHES!

:gotigers:

Win or lose, Massillon Always!

[Spize]

12 that season huh.. considering we didn't use them that often in blowout games, which there were 6 of, I think that in close games we probably did see that quick kick 3 times per game +

I hated it... I like the idea, but I hated that if we were playing a competitive team, and had the ball 3rd and 10+, that I knew the kick was coming.

I think it is useful, but should never be seen more than 2, 3 times a SEASON at most... otherwise you are showing a complete lack of respect to your offense.

Besides, if you were not pitching the 40 yard pass on 1st and 2nd down all the time you wouldn't need it as much.

Anyhow, it is in the past, I am glad Stacy is here and we have what we have.

[WooTiger70]

12 that season huh.. considering we didn't use them that often in blowout games, which there were 6 of, I think that in close games we probably did see that quick kick 3 times per game +

I hated it... I like the idea, but I hated that if we were playing a competitive team, and had the ball 3rd and 10+, that I knew the kick was coming.

I think it is useful, but should never be seen more than 2, 3 times a SEASON at most... otherwise you are showing a complete lack of respect to your offense.

Besides, if you were not pitching the 40 yard pass on 1st and 2nd down all the time you wouldn't need it as much.

Anyhow, it is in the past, I am glad Stacy is here and we have what we have.


Again, show me the game that we quick kicked "3 times per game +". It never happened! You "think" this because people have said it happened so many times.

I would also like to know which game we used this on 3rd and 10, although, you did say "3rd and 10+", so I guess this could be 3rd and 17, or 3rd and 27.

I have nothing but respect for you, Spize, and I'm not trying to start something. I just think that this has been blown WAY out of proportion.

I will examine the 2001 game write-ups to see if I can determine the situations in which this was used.

I also think that everyone has had a chance to express their opinions on this topic, and would not mind at all if it was closed.

Let's get on with this year's season.

To the State Championship...one game at a time:tig:

[CarlE]

I was unaware that there is a guaranteed to work play in football.:help2:

What the F does THAT have to do with the argument? Of COURSE nothing is foolproof. I'm just saying that if we had a QB with the talent of Zwick and we quick-kicked 10-15 times that year we were showing a lack of confidence in our offense. That's all. BUT, and this is big it seems like there may be some exaggeration there.

[Benchboss1]

I recall a number of them didn't.


Nothing personal CarlE. I was just pointing out that no play, even a quick kick is going to work 100% of the time, since you posted that you recalled a number of them didn't work. That is all.

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

the bottom line is: "anything shepas is famous for is worth forgetting"

[Red50Go]

Shep made it famous in particular vs WGH because it was a defensive game and they had very strong return men. Call it confidence in the defense or lack of it on offense or special teams but it WAS effective. When you get a sack or penalty against a great defensive team it is hard to make it up on 3rd down.

I am no huge fan of Shep or the quick kick but I never heard him called too conservative. Thats a new one. I actually do think it is an effective & underutilized play in certain situations, though of course you want to avoid those 3rd and 15's against the "great" teams. (I wish we had done that against X in the title game when we obviously weren't going to drive the whole field on them in a minute).

[Venny34]

I do remember the quick kick being used against Warren Harding and it worked great...would it have been better to punt on 4th when they are ready for it to Manningham??? As if he didn't hurt Massillon enough in those games...By the way, what's he doing now???

In my opinion, the quick punt was very effective when used. Zwick was a good punter and the defense was stellar...all-around good call. How about trying to support the coaches...

I would also like to hear when they used this strategy 4-5 times in ONE game...If you are going to make a statement at least make sure it is a fact...

[longtimefirsttime]

Shepas called the quick kick three times in the 2004 double O.T. loss against Warren. He was trying to keep the ball out of Manningham's hands. Not a bad idea.

It nearly backfired in the 01 Mansfield game when the Tygers blocked the quick kick and got the ball in Tiger territory. Their drive stalled and they missed a field goal. The Tigers win 17-14.

But that's in the past. I want to look ahead to what appears to be a bright future.

[GoFor3]

Back when Zwick was here,we had a field goal kicker that was just about Money from 60 yards out.There were a few of those quick kicks that should have been field goal attempts.With Abdul on the Team back then,it was moronic to quick kick then.
I believe that Princehorn was the starting punter and I thought that when we were in our defensive 3rd of the field.The quick kick was a good option...But then again,WE HAD JUSTIN FREAKING ZWICK!
Heeeellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooo oooooooo. What was Shepas thinking.
Now the real question should be is..."what is Shepas thinking now..."

[Catman]

No the REAL question should be who cares about Rick Freaking SHEPAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GoFor3]

AMEN.

[DAWGH8R]

No the REAL question should be who cares about Rick Freaking SHEPAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys didn't say that in '02 !!!

[fyrewood]

Maybe not in '02 but this is friggin' '07, why the hell are we even discussing this? Shepas is long gone people, let it go!