Have the Indians folded their Wigwam? [Archive]

freddy g

07-21-2006, 10:07 PM

Maybe they need to make another movie about them, Major League, LOL. That seemed to make them start winning.

As for Wickman; they traded him which is fine, because he was probally done after this season. At least they got something, I guess? A 20 year-old single A catcher? They could've at least got a AAA player.

DAWGH8R

07-22-2006, 02:09 AM

Glad 2 see that FAT overweight, overpaid, ( 5 million per year) , POS Wickman GONE !! He was a physical disgrace to all who have played the game !!:oops:

tiger74

07-22-2006, 04:16 AM

it is time for that stiff boone to be traded as well. I can't stand to watch him play 3rd without wanting to choke myself. warren 1st you need that indian with the black eye around it, like they had on the news in the 80's when they always lost. man watching them play is not fun anymore. the days of belle,lofton,thome,ramirez,baerga [sp?], and my favorite omar are in the deep past.:wall: :furious: :wtf: are they going to build a winner and SPEND MONEY. I would like to say great call on not signing howry. how can you get rid of a proven pen guy when it is so hard to find good relievers. you win with pitching and then you get rid of your two best pitchers howry/millwood. makes good sense to me, great upgrade in the offseason by signing a losing pitcher and hope he turns into cy young. maybe shapiro is the blonde lady in major league and will sell these bunch of losers!! were is willie mays hayes.:stars:

Dr Strangemind

07-22-2006, 08:01 AM

We started this season with such high hopes, even though it was obvious the front office had degraded the pitching staff. Skinflint Dolan is getting what he paid for.

It's just sad.

Dr Strangemind

07-22-2006, 08:04 AM

Wedge adds insult to injury last night by bringing Jason Davis back! How many times does that stiff have to prove that he is not, never has, and never will be, a major league-caliber pitcher?

CarlE

07-22-2006, 08:18 AM

I told you guys at the beginning of this year that the Tribe had no pitching and that you were going to be disappointed. I also predicted my Devil Rays would finish ahead of the Tribe, record-wise. Well, since they've chosen not to win since the All-Star break I'm not sure that is going to happen but I'm still not giving up on the bet yet.

Al.

07-22-2006, 09:04 AM

We started this season with such high hopes, even though it was obvious the front office had degraded the pitching staff. Skinflint Dolan is getting what he paid for.

It's just sad.

Yes, it looks like my pre season pick of just having a .500 record won't be met. :smartass: But as we've all grown accustomed to say; "wait til next year."

Die Hard Eric

07-22-2006, 09:26 AM

the classic cleveland phrase of "wait until next year".

thank you cleveland!

-dhe

Kamd50

07-22-2006, 09:47 AM

Man, Tiger74, if I didn't know better, I'd wonder how you read my mind like that LOL ! I agree 100% with your post, word for word!

"belle,lofton,thome,ramirez,baerga [sp?], and my favorite omar are in the deep past"........Now THOSE were the days! But don't forget the Alomars, Dennis Martinez, Charlie Nagy, Orel, Mesa.... We had season box seats back then and am I glad we did. Those were some super fun times! Who knows how long we will have to wait for the Tribe to return to their glory days:sad2:

warren1st

07-22-2006, 11:09 AM

Kamd - I agree with everything you say except for Mesa, who in my opinion, cost us the 1997 World Series and then acted like he couldn't care less.

Yes, Dolan either can't afford to run a MLB franchise or is too tight but we traded away TOO much pitching over the off season.

It is sad.

longtimefirsttime

07-22-2006, 11:25 AM

Teams are really looking at Hollandsworth and Westbrook. Hollandsworth is more likely to go because his $900-thousand salary is considered a bargain. Several teams are looking at Westbrook while the Indians say they want to exercise their club option on him. Will it be a retooling or a complete overhaul? We shall see. This from the Plain Dealer:

"The Indians have sold more than 1.8 million tickets. They did not pass that figure until Aug. 30 last year. The Tribe's attendance of 1.2 million to date represents a 14.9 percent increase from 2005."

Won't it be hard to justify a complete "fire sale" when attendance is up?

Kamd50

07-22-2006, 12:32 PM

CarlE

07-22-2006, 01:33 PM

Oh no, he definitely did. I'll never forget it. We were staying at the Marriott Sawgrass in Jacksonville for a weekend of golf. I was at the hotel bar watching the game with some freaking loudmouth from Miami. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to knock him off the stool.

Anyway, we all know what happens and then I see Mesa and I get ALL pissed off about it. Funny though, the other guy got kicked out of the bar.

Dr Strangemind

07-22-2006, 03:24 PM

the classic cleveland phrase of "wait until next year".

thank you cleveland!

-dhe

Yes, Cleveland should own the copyright to that phrase! :bomb:

TigerVic

07-22-2006, 04:19 PM

We're back to the 45 year old rebuilding and then trade-em-off plan that was only interrupted briefly in the 90s.

We're back to the equivalent of Charlie Spikes and Frank Duffy!

warren1st

07-22-2006, 05:00 PM

Yes, Vic, as I speak, I'm looking at my Indians Graig Nettles 8x10 signed photo. I took my Chambliss one down and never put up Dick Tidrow.

warren1st

07-22-2006, 05:02 PM

I don't specifically remember Mesa acting like that, W1st, but I will take your word for it. Speaking strictly in regards to being a player, I saw him come in and shut them down many a time as the closer and he was an asset to the team until he started getting into "personal" trouble. I liked young Julian Taveres (sp) back then also and Offenbaucher(sp) lol !

I believe that's what Omar is still so ticked about regarding Mesa.

He did pitch some fine relief ball through most of his career with the Tribe. Apparently he had no clue how hingry we were (are) for a World's Championship.

longtimefirsttime

07-22-2006, 05:08 PM

From SI.com:

" Some young Cleveland players believe that manager Eric Wedge is too regimented and are annoyed by his rules, which include wearing slacks to the ballpark. "The young players are not responding well,'' said one person familiar with the situation. But Indians GM Mark Shapiro said, "I can't blame him. I blame myself. That's the natural tendency, to look for a scapegoat. In this case, I don't think it's the manager."

freddy g

07-22-2006, 10:33 PM

Here's somewhat of a bright spot. Rookie Jeremy Sowers shut-down the Twins (8-game win streak) with a 4-hitter and only had the count at 3 balls once in the game. Could we finally have a solid ace, or just another guy getting traded once he hits his peak.

TxTiger

07-22-2006, 10:49 PM

A new MAJOR LEAGUE movie won't help. Maybe MINOR LEAGUE would be better. That is where all the talent gets called up and down (or not at all), then traded.

Also, I think Jason Davis is brought back up to get a lot more playing time...called auditioning for a trade. I think the Indians are going to try and get something for him. They will wait on Boone until closer to October. We should get something good for him then and Marte won't have to spend too long up in case he struggles bad.

GO SOWERS!!!!!!!

TxTiger

07-22-2006, 10:51 PM

Sowers will eventually be a really good second pitcher in the rotation. Most teams would use him 3rd. Indians will probably have him 4th next year.

Dr Strangemind

07-23-2006, 12:47 AM

I'll remember Sowers's first major league shutout as one of the few bright moments of this otherwise miserable season.

Spize

07-23-2006, 12:57 AM

Stick a fork in them, they are done...

They didn't lie though... they said contending in 2005... they contended for a playoff spot, but failed... contending again 2010 it rhymes.

Spize

07-23-2006, 01:00 AM

Then again... they are only 15 back in the wildcard LOL

warren1st

07-23-2006, 06:52 AM

I'll remember Sowers's first major league shutout as one of the few bright moments of this otherwise miserable season.

Yes, the kid pitched a great game.

GrowlingTiger87

07-23-2006, 03:56 PM

Sh** can the whole team, and bring up Akron and Buffalo boys...including management. The year started off so promising, and now...I'M JUST READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!

warren1st

07-23-2006, 05:53 PM

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"Wait 'til next year!"

DPdad

07-24-2006, 12:17 PM

I firmly believe that Marte is still in the minors at Buffalo for financial reasons only. From what I have read on other forums, if Marte gets called up before August 1st, he will be eligible for arbitration a year sooner than if he is called up after August 1st, due to the service time he already has in the majors. So it is to the Indians benefit financially and gain contract leverage in the future to keep Marte at Buffalo for another week or two.

It all comes down to economics for Larry Dolan. He way overpaid for the team, and simply is too financially strapped to keep up with the big boys of MLB. H*ll of a way to run a team.

MTown

07-24-2006, 12:47 PM

It really isn't all that suprising that this season has gone the way it has. When you lose guys like Coco, Howry, and Millwood the team was going to suffer. We got exactly what I expected in Byrd, Johnson, and Michaels. Losing Coco for Mota was just stupid. I didn't buy it then and it has proven to be a disaster.

It's time for Boone to sit in favor of Marte. Bring up Garko to play first. Quit screwing around with Victor...he is either a catcher or he is not. Bring up Franklin Guttierez to play outfield. Put Fausto Carmona in the closer role.

RE: Jason Davis...here was a guy who pitched decently in '03 and '04 as a starter. The problem he's run into is that the front office can't decide what they want him to do...starter? bullpen? closer? They've just messed his head up to the point where he is just worthless.

Bottom line is that Dolan is getting what he paid for. And we all suffer.

Kamd50

07-25-2006, 12:46 AM

It really isn't all that surprising that they lost yet again:sour:

GT87.....love the little one's pic:angel:

tiger74

07-25-2006, 01:54 AM

great show put on by are not so loved LOSERS. every game it's the same thing hit it to one of are fielders and see what happens next. I will tell you more runs and more loses. some of these guys couldn't catch a cold if they swam in the hudson river on new years. hearin lies the indians of 2006 :dead:.

Dr Strangemind

07-25-2006, 11:45 AM

Did you see Shoppach pick off a runner at 2nd last night? Martinez wouldn't even have tried.

shortbev

07-26-2006, 10:54 PM

a guy from cleveland died

unfortunately, he went to hell

upon hearing of his arrival, satan stopped by to visit him

asked him if it was hot enough for the man, to which the man replied "not too bad, it feels like cleveland in june"

satan stomped off and turned the temperature of hell up 20degrees...goes back to check how the guy was doing
"hows that for hot?" he asked...the man replied "feels like cleveland in july"...

satan goes off and cranks the heat up another 20 degrees...the man is still okay...he says "feels like cleveland in august"

now, satan is really ticked off...he goes back and turns the thermostat down to where hell is frozen over

and

goes back to find the man jumping up and down yelling in delight "cleveland won the penant, cleveland won the penant"

Kamd50

07-26-2006, 11:51 PM

If that wasn't so close to reality, that would be very funny shortbev::sad2: LOL

GrowlingTiger87

07-27-2006, 06:39 AM

kamd...I couldn't agree more.:cry:

Kamd50

07-30-2006, 03:49 PM

So another loss and another trade. Belliard is gone to the Cardinals.

austinsm11

07-30-2006, 10:41 PM

So who is next on the trading block? I wouldn't mind getting rid of Boone. I also heard we might be getting rid of Westbrook.

longtimefirsttime

07-30-2006, 11:44 PM

Terry Pluto takes a look at Shapiro's moves, both good and bad, in his latest ABJ column.
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longtimefirsttime

07-30-2006, 11:58 PM

So who is next on the trading block? I wouldn't mind getting rid of Boone. I also heard we might be getting rid of Westbrook.

The Diamondbacks initially showed interest in Westbrook. Then the Rangers inquired about him. But the Indians have balked (to this point) and the Rangers are reportedly now looking at the Phillies Jon Lieber. I don't know what the interest level in Boone is right now. And I'm sure there will be plenty of gamesmanship going on right up to the deadline.

Dr Strangemind

07-31-2006, 05:03 AM

So another loss and another trade. Belliard is gone to the Cardinals.

The Tongue wasn't anywhere near the huge disappointment Peralta is, but he was going to be a free agent anyway. Would've been nicer to see Peralta go.

Al.

07-31-2006, 08:54 AM

Boone will prob be gone in the next few days.

longtimefirsttime

07-31-2006, 09:26 PM

The Indians continue to find new and creative ways to lose. :crap:

GrowlingTiger87

07-31-2006, 10:18 PM

I can't even watch them any more. It's an absolute abomination. I even have trouble watching the "high"lights. :sad:

Al.

08-03-2006, 04:13 PM

The Indians continue to find new and creative ways to lose. :crap:

After last night's 9th inning back-to-back hit batters against the Red Sox, it just goes to show that they can come-up with creative ways to lose :wtf:

Kamd50

08-03-2006, 04:45 PM

Actually, the last 2 games that they lost, they played pretty damn well. But, of course, the pitching ended up losing it for them.

GrowlingTiger87

08-04-2006, 09:01 AM

... the pitching ended up losing it for them.

As it has done most of the year. :cry:

Kamd50

08-11-2006, 10:13 PM

Tonight's win for the Tribe was pretty darn exciting! I don't think I've ever seen Grady so pumped! It was sweet, as well as the 2 previous wins. Especially the shutout pitched by Westbrook. It's a shame that these wins aren't going to matter in the longrun as far as playoffs, but they sure did look happy tonight after this one. And I must say, it sure beats the hell out of watching them lose, playoff contenders or not:dance:

DAWGH8R

08-11-2006, 11:12 PM

What a comeback tonight !!!!!!!!!1:oops:

Kamd50

08-12-2006, 03:40 PM

Yahoooo for the Wahooos:2thumbsup: Good win for the lst game today!Sounded like CC did an incredible job pitching today and Jason Michael's had an incredible catch in the 9th. It would have been nice to see, but I love listening to how excited Tom Hamilton gets. You'd swear we had just won the World Series sometimes :laughing:

I hope they can pull off another win tonight along with The Tigers:gogogo:

GrowlingTiger87

08-12-2006, 03:47 PM

Notice we aren't hearing any chatter from CarlE the last few days about his "vaunted" D-Rays...who just happen to be slipping a little bit away from the Tribe.

Kamd50

08-12-2006, 09:52 PM

Leaping Lizards! 5 in a row! I have had a great day all the way around! And even got to meet Marie for a split second tonight, to boot:dance:

DAWGH8R

08-13-2006, 12:26 AM

Caught the end of the Tribe game at The Fox & the Hound. Exciting!!

Had a great time with MTown, Bambo, X Tiger, LTFT and others !!

Fantastic fellowship !!

Kamd50

08-18-2006, 09:35 AM

The Tribe manages to come out of the series with a win before they head into tonight's battle against CarlE's mighty Rays:thumbsup:

DAWGH8R

08-18-2006, 11:14 PM

A loss to the FORCEFUL Tampa Bay Devil Rays !!!:furious:

Kamd50

08-19-2006, 12:53 AM

The Tribe beat themselves thanks to the sucky bullpen. It must suck to be CC Sabathia knowing that no matter how great of a game you pitch it's all going to be for zip:bomb:

DAWGH8R

08-19-2006, 12:56 AM

He needs to be like the "others", and save his own game. Strong young kid like him, should be able to throw 125 pitches !!
:thumbsup:

CarlE

08-19-2006, 06:56 AM

The Tribe beat themselves thanks to the sucky bullpen. It must suck to be CC Sabathia knowing that no matter how great of a game you pitch it's all going to be for zip:bomb:

NO, the mighty bats of the Devil Rays beat them. God, you guys are a bunch of saps. I TOLD you the D-Rays would end up catching these bums. Heck, we'll probably sweep this series. We already got past the only pitcher you have. Sweep, sweep, sweep!!! LOL.

GrowlingTiger87

08-19-2006, 07:56 AM

The Tribe beat themselves thanks to the sucky bullpen. It must suck to be CC Sabathia knowing that no matter how great of a game you pitch it's all going to be for zip:bomb:

Don't worry. He'll probably be gone soon, and he won't have to worry about a good pitching performance go to waste. I mean, can you see C.C. throwing a 2 hitter in New York or Boston in Game 7 of the World Series some year. :wall:

Kamd50

08-19-2006, 10:53 AM

Siskorski clearly blew that game......period.

CarlE

08-19-2006, 11:05 AM

Just to show you that our writers aren't biased like those bunch of homers up there, here is an article from the local sports radio station down here. Go RAYS.

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longtimefirsttime

08-19-2006, 03:41 PM

As soon as I heard they blew another one, I knew CarlE would be fired up. Current standings:

Cleveland 54-67
Tampa Bay 49-73 (5.5 games back)

longtimefirsttime

08-19-2006, 03:42 PM

The one good thing about the recent server problem is I never again have to see my horrible Indians prediction for this season.

CarlE

08-19-2006, 04:38 PM

No, we actually need to go back and try and retrieve that prediction, LTFT. I want you to FOREVER be reminded of it, my friend.

warren1st

08-19-2006, 09:32 PM

Hey, CarlE, better put that broom away!!

GO TRIBE!!

DAWGH8R

08-19-2006, 09:43 PM

WOO HOO !! They salvage one !!!:thumbsup:

GrowlingTiger87

08-19-2006, 09:45 PM

No sweep for you! :laughing:

longtimefirsttime

08-19-2006, 09:57 PM

Updated:

Cleveland 55-67
Tampa Bay 49-74 (6.5 games back)

warren1st

08-20-2006, 05:32 PM

Tampa who? lol!!:lol:

longtimefirsttime

08-20-2006, 06:10 PM

Updated:

Cleveland 56-67
Tampa Bay 49-75 (7.5 games back)

Is a concession speech being written?

Kamd50

08-20-2006, 06:27 PM

The mighty who????????:dance:
Travis is a Beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

npaflas

08-21-2006, 09:03 PM

yes tribe for winning the series

Kamd50

08-24-2006, 06:54 PM

That was one HECK of a comeback last night:eek: :dance:

DAWGH8R

08-24-2006, 07:04 PM

Great comeback! But how does a team give up 13 runs ?????:down:

longtimefirsttime

09-18-2006, 02:24 AM

Update:

Indians 69-79
DevilRays 57-92 (12.5 behind the Tribe)

CarlE-You'll probably have better luck with the "Browns versus the Bucs." Both are 0-2.

DAWGH8R

09-18-2006, 03:09 PM

It's official !! They've folded it !!!!

TigerCoach

10-02-2006, 12:29 PM

NO, the mighty bats of the Devil Rays beat them. God, you guys are a bunch of saps. I TOLD you the D-Rays would end up catching these bums. Heck, we'll probably sweep this series. We already got past the only pitcher you have. Sweep, sweep, sweep!!! LOL.

You were right, Carle, this series ended up in a sweep! LOL!! By my count, the Tribe beat the Devil Rays in the standings by 17 games! I think next time your in Massillon, you need to pony up the Coronas! :drinkem: