Are you sick of the Massillon/Fed Topic?

[orangeblood]

Pretty easy choice, either yes or no. Please vote.

[MTown]

NO...I love it. It's a discussion that will never end even if we do get in. Plus, it helps bridge the LOOOOONG offseason.

[91' alum]

NO...I love it. It's a discussion that will never end even if we do get in. Plus, it helps bridge the LOOOOONG offseason.
For no other reason... I'm with you MTown. Keep the DEBATE!!!

[proud to be]

I'm sick of it because I hate the idea of getting into the FED. They have hated us and treated us like crap for years for no apparent reason. They love to point the recruiting finger at us for football, but refuse to look at their own programs that blatantly recruit (allegedly) under the guise of youth programs. The hypocrisy in that league makes me sick..............but I digress........... I understand the scheduling challenges, but they dont all add up. They say let's get our girl's programs into the FED so we can improve by playing better competition. We play all of the top FED teams already in girls sports.... what good is it doing us now??? To me that's an invalid reason.

Stay independent!!!!! Don't join the FED

But of course that's just my opinion.... I could be wrong :biggrin:

P.S. by my calculations, we are already defending FED champs anyway.....

[MassFan3]

I like it - I enjoy everyone's thoughts on it whether I agree or not. It's always something to think about, and it makes no sense to just bury our heads in the sand and ban the conversation from the board, like it won't ever happen.

[siberiantigerman]

I like the idea from the simple fact that our kids can now get some more awards for all-league and more academic awards. It will be tough to compete but it will get better in the leage. Scheduling is easier in a league also. I guess that is why the super makes the big money, it will be his decision. Good Luck to all.

[DAWGH8R]

Our athletes get All County awards. They also receive All Ohio, NEI, and East/West accolades. We need more ??

We could make it like T-ball where everyone plays and gets a trophy!!

They have been programmed since birth , that only one award counts !!:no1:

[DAWGH8R]

I guess that is why the super makes the big money, it will be his decision. Good Luck to all.


His salary won't determine if/when we get in. He'll have very little to do with it. But the fact that he "supports" it, doesn't help.

[91' alum]

I like it - I enjoy everyone's thoughts on it whether I agree or not. It's always something to think about, and it makes no sense to just bury our heads in the sand and ban the conversation from the board, like it won't ever happen.Good points MassFan3... Although we are losing in the poll!!! I like to hear what side of the fence people are on. I have my own opinion but there are so many good points made on both sides, I feel like I'm on a teetertoter!!!:doh: :wall:

[proud to be]

[QUOTE=siberiantigerman;58216]I like the idea from the simple fact that our kids can now get some more awards for all-league and more academic awards.

Do you really believe that winning a meaningless title to a league will make any difference at all??? Do you think our kids will be happy with ALL- LEAGUE honors??? Even though the FED is a very competitive league right now, don't forget why we got out of the old league in the first place.

Anybody remember "10-0 with no place to go"? We became independent because the league we were in was not generating enough playoff points. Granted, there are a lot more teams that make the playoffs now, but I believe this team is more battle tested by the schedule we play, and more prepared for a playoff run because of it. WE DON'T NEED THE FED..... and get this....THEY DON'T WANT US!!!! Sounds like the perfect marriage!!!

Now, as far as other sports go, I can see some benefit as far as scheduling, but we already play the fed schools in softball, wrestling, basketball etc.... why do we need to be in a league to schedule them????

[proud to be]

Our athletes get All County awards. They also receive All Ohio, NEI, and East/West accolades. We need more ??

We could make it like T-ball where everyone plays and gets a trophy!!

They have been programmed since birth , that only one award counts !!:no1:

I hate to agree with you in public, but


AMEN BROTHER!!

[monte81]

Our athletes get All County awards. They also receive All Ohio, NEI, and East/West accolades. We need more ??

We could make it like T-ball where everyone plays and gets a trophy!!

They have been programmed since birth , that only one award counts !!:no1:

Our players would get shafted on the awards anyway. I love the schedule but will support the tigers where ever or whoever we play. I just think our kids would like to play Perry Hoover, etc,... but still remain independent. It is nothing like the Iggy-Massillon game and I love playing WGH, Mentor, etc,... however we cannot play them weeks 1-3 every year if in the FED.

YOU ARE RIGHT-----ONLY ONE TROPHY COUNTS----- STATE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

[austinsm11]

We could make it like T-ball where everyone plays and gets a trophy!!


Great example. Wouldn't you agree Carle? LOL.

[TigerCoach]

This may come as a surprise to some of you, but I have come to the conclusion that the Federal League could be good for the program. I have been thinking about it and talking with several people (some coaches, some administrators) from around the county, not just Massillon people, and really believe that it will benefit athletically, financially and maybe with public relations. I don't have time to write a book as to my thoughts, but you have my opinion now. Let the bashing begin!

[monte81]

This may come as a surprise to some of you, but I have come to the conclusion that the Federal League could be good for the program. I have been thinking about it and talking with several people (some coaches, some administrators) from around the county, not just Massillon people, and really believe that it will benefit athletically, financially and maybe with public relations. I don't have time to write a book as to my thoughts, but you have my opinion now. Let the bashing begin!


No bashing TC--everyone has an opinion and you know the rest--LOL. However I agree on the off the field advantages but on the field it would get boring fast with the WEAK schedule we would have to play EVERY YEAR! Either way I will support our team the same way I have since I was a child watching your big head play!

[DAWGH8R]

If ( insert a FED school here ) are worth their weight in skunk urine, we'l get to play them in the playoffs. Maybe 2 of them !!!

Let them EARN the right to play us in the playoffs !!!:weightlift:

[TigerCoach]

Well, like Tim Ridgley said in his article. We would still have 3 non-league games to play the Warren's, St. Iggy or some other big school. The rest of the Fed schedule would be better than playing D.C. or Canada, both in attendence and athletic challenges.

[massillon catholic]

Well, like Tim Ridgley said in his article. We would still have 3 non-league games to play the Warren's, St. Iggy or some other big school. The rest of the Fed schedule would be better than playing D.C. or Canada, both in attendence and athletic challenges.

I agree with your point on eliminating DC and Canada, but didn't McK play DC and Canada and was still in the Fed?

[Mass6]

The problem with the Fed is that you get used to playing teams that aren't the caliber of the teams you'll see in the playoffs. Let's face it, the 2005 team played some difficult teams (not the most difficult, but difficult) and that proved to be a great learning experience when they got into the playoffs. Look at Mck when they joined the Fed, and all was great, now they have to worry about getting their teams up to play us in week 10. I would rather play a harder schedule and be ready for the playoffs as opposed to a cupcake (with the exception of Perry) and worrying about how good we really are.

[MassFan3]

I would rather play a solid schedule and get through the season as healthy as possible, with a high morale and tons of momentum. I would KNOW that I was battle tested. It's not like since I played a tough regular season, that I will automatically move on to the next round.

Example: Whitmer

[MRSDAWGH8R]

Not joining the FED could be an advantage in weeks 1 thru 3 , IF they would schedule us. We could play the flavor of the month in the FED in weeks 1 - 3, then our choice of formidable foes in 4 - 8, a " get healthy " game in week 9, and the FED champ McKinley in week 10.

Maybe then, Hoover and the likes could skips the patsies in weeks 1 - 3, and use Massillon as a barometer to see where their program actually rates.:weightlift:

[massillon catholic]

N.

Maybe then, Hoover and the likes could skips the patsies in weeks 1 - 3, and use Massillon as a barometer to see where their program actually rates.:weightlift:


Hoover and the likes would see the barametric pressure dropping if they wanted to see where their programs were.

[Purple Hayes]

The problem with the Fed is that you get used to playing teams that aren't the caliber of the teams you'll see in the playoffs. Let's face it, the 2005 team played some difficult teams (not the most difficult, but difficult) and that proved to be a great learning experience when they got into the playoffs. Look at Mck when they joined the Fed, and all was great, now they have to worry about getting their teams up to play us in week 10. I would rather play a harder schedule and be ready for the playoffs as opposed to a cupcake (with the exception of Perry) and worrying about how good we really are.

OK, let's look at McKinley

2004 - 3rd Place in Fed / State Runner-Up

2005 - 1st Place in Fed / Beat Massillon in Reg Season / Lost to Massillon in Playoffs (State Runner-Up)

2006 - Lost to Massillon in Reg Season / Advanced to State Semi-Finals

So, at the very least, they've made it further than the Tigers (each had a State runner-up and McK has the State Semi appearance) in their 3 years in the league.

Shall we even begin to talk about Basketball (2 State Championships) and the financial benefits they've reaped since joining? I'm not attributing their titles to the Federal League, merely stating that it didn't hurt them.

Those are facts, not anecodtal, hypothetical data. A Massillon schedule with 2 top tier teams and a breather (Games 1 -3) and then the Federal League schedule would be more than sufficient to prep them for a playoff run.

I wish Massillon the best of luck if/when they apply and hope the Federal League is smart enough to accept them.

[Purple Hayes]

Let's face it, the 2005 team played some difficult teams (not the most difficult, but difficult) and that proved to be a great learning experience when they got into the playoffs.

I beg to differ with you. Honestly, the 2005 schedule was the weakest Massillon has had (for Massillon, not comparing them to anyone else) in quite some time, but it sure didn't impact how they did in the playoffs. Elder, Mentor and Harding were all down. Of course, Iggy and McK are darn good teams. Maybe it was what they needed after getting beat up in 2003 and 2004??

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Date Time Opponent Result Stories
8/25/05 TBA Dover (OH) W 34-0
9/3/05 TBA vs Elder (Cincinnati, OH) (TBA) W 35-31
9/9/05 TBA @Mansfield (OH) W 55-0
9/16/05 TBA Chardon (OH) W 49-7
9/23/05 TBA Mentor (OH) W 31-10
10/1/05 TBA @St. Ignatius (Cleveland, OH) ** W 29-26
10/7/05 TBA Wilson (Youngstown, OH) W 54-0
10/14/05 TBA Harding (Warren, OH) W 13-0
10/21/05 TBA North (Eastlake, OH) W 49-10
10/29/05 TBA @McKinley (Canton, OH) L 8-38

[austinsm11]

I beg to differ with you. Honestly, the 2005 schedule was the weakest Massillon has had (for Massillon, not comparing them to anyone else) in quite some time, but it sure didn't impact how they did in the playoffs. Elder, Mentor and Harding were all down. Of course, Iggy and McK are darn good teams. Maybe it was what they needed after getting beat up in 2003 and 2004??

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Date Time Opponent Result Stories
8/25/05 TBA Dover (OH) W 34-0
9/3/05 TBA vs Elder (Cincinnati, OH) (TBA) W 35-31
9/9/05 TBA @Mansfield (OH) W 55-0
9/16/05 TBA Chardon (OH) W 49-7
9/23/05 TBA Mentor (OH) W 31-10
10/1/05 TBA @St. Ignatius (Cleveland, OH) ** W 29-26
10/7/05 TBA Wilson (Youngstown, OH) W 54-0
10/14/05 TBA Harding (Warren, OH) W 13-0
10/21/05 TBA North (Eastlake, OH) W 49-10
10/29/05 TBA @McKinley (Canton, OH) L 8-38


Have to admit that the schedule didn't seem that tough.

[massillon catholic]

OK, let's look at McKinley

2004 - 3rd Place in Fed / State Runner-Up

2005 - 1st Place in Fed / Beat Massillon in Reg Season / Lost to Massillon in Playoffs (State Runner-Up)

2006 - Lost to Massillon in Reg Season / Advanced to State Semi-Finals

So, at the very least, they've made it further than the Tigers (each had a State runner-up and McK has the State Semi appearance) in their 3 years in the league.

Shall we even begin to talk about Basketball (2 State Championships) and the financial benefits they've reaped since joining? I'm not attributing their titles to the Federal League, merely stating that it didn't hurt them.

Those are facts, not anecodtal, hypothetical data. A Massillon schedule with 2 top tier teams and a breather (Games 1 -3) and then the Federal League schedule would be more than sufficient to prep them for a playoff run.

I wish Massillon the best of luck if/when they apply and hope the Federal League is smart enough to accept them.

McK was a power in football and basketball long before joining the Fed. Joining the Fed, didn't all of a sudden make McK a powerhouse!

[Purple Hayes]

McK was a power in football and basketball long before joining the Fed. Joining the Fed, didn't all of a sudden make McK a powerhouse!

Right, did you miss my statement where I said I wasn't attributing the success of McK to the Federal League, merely stating that it didn't hurt them?

[austinsm11]

McK was a power in football and basketball long before joining the Fed. Joining the Fed, didn't all of a sudden make McK a powerhouse!

That is what he was saying. It didn't seem to hurt them either, however.

Taking out football and basketball, would any of the other sports even have a shot at a FED title?

[Obie Wan]

Anybody remember "10-0 with no place to go"?
Not me. When did that happen?

We became independent because the league we were in was not generating enough playoff points.
Can you give an example of a year in which our AAC schedule cost us a playoff berth?

[DAWGH8R]

That is what he was saying. It didn't seem to hurt them either, however.

Taking out football and basketball, would any of the other sports even have a shot at a FED title?

We have as potentially strong a baseball program as ANYONE in the county. It was an uncharacteristically early exit for a VERY talented group this year.
I thought we had a team that could make a deep run this year.:rockon:

[longtimefirsttime]

We would still have 3 non-league games to play the Warren's, St. Iggy or some other big school.

They COULD, but would they? McKinley's non-league schedule over the past three seasons (minus Massillon in week ten of course) has included Waterdown, Ontario Canada, Toledo Start, DC Ballou and Marion Harding. So much for the argument that there won't be a possibility of DC or Canadian teams on the schedule.

Let's look at the remainder of the non-league schedule over the past 2 years (scheduling cycle).

Perry-
Wooster
Central Catholic
Hilliard Darby

Hoover-
DC Coolidge
Louisville
Canton Central Catholic

GlenOak-
Hudson
Garfield
Wooster
Marietta

Lake-
Copley
Timken
Youngstown Woodrow Wilson
Youngstown Rayen
Louisville


Jackson-
Westerville South
Nordonia
Hudson
Cuyahoga Falls
Lancaster

Fitch-
Y. Chaney
Ursuline
Buchtel
Cathedral Prep,PA.
Reynoldsburg

Boardman-
Ignatius
Ursuline
Y Chaney


How many Ohio powers do you see on that list? I see one (Ignatius played Boardman).

[DAWGH8R]

If they wanted to play a STATE POWER every year, MASSILLON would be in the FED !!!!!!!!!1:gogogo:

They want to be considered a " tough " league, but don't want to play ANYONE to prove it !!!

http://www.realbooks.co.uk/Covers/scaredycats.jpg

[PainlessPaulus]

Guys we are in a BIG transition.....if and when we join the Fed, our systems and facility will trump the rest of the schools... Our non-football sports will improve... and it would not surprise me that is will be the beginning of the end for the Federal League as we know it...... leadership will naturally go to the leaders.....Massillon/McKinley.....along with the money.....I just hope we commit to the academics.....if we do.... the State Championships will follow.....


doug

[austinsm11]

We have as potentially strong a baseball program as ANYONE in the county. It was an uncharacteristically early exit for a VERY talented group this year.
I thought we had a team that could make a deep run this year.:rockon:

I thought the baseball team seemed to always have early exits(I could be wrong, just going on memory), regardless of the talent. I knew the team was good this year, but what about on a yearly basis?

I still don't know any other sports we would have a legitimate shot at winning the FED.

[monte81]

I will say that looking at McKinley's schedule over the past 3 years it has been WEAK non conference opponents 1-3 and the FED schedule 4-9 and then Massillon. The thing with league play is that it takes special events like the Paul Brown Classic or the Herbie to match elite teams. No state powers or elite teams try schedule top tier teams in the first few games because if you take a few losses than the playoffs may be bye-bye real quick. If McKinley would of played Warren, Iggy, Ed's, etc,.... in any of those early games we would not be taking about an 2004 title run. The FED teams minus McKinley are AVERAGE every year from top to bottom. If we join the FED we will see alot more DC's and Canada's on the schedule the first 3 games--watch and see!! However playing Moeller, Iggy, etc,... did not help us last year when we limped into the playoffs by over using our best player to stay in games on offense-- BG had the 2nd most carries in history of our program the last 2 seasons. The debate will continue until Fitch and Boardman bounce out and the FED vote is counted.

OH--- MRS. DAWGH8R I was glad to hear your take from a womans prospective and you make some real quality statements! However they will not schedule us and that's the problem. Afraid to take the early losses before league play. Every year that Glenoak played us and McKinley the 1st 2 games of the season in the late 80's they came out 1-1 once and 0-2 the rest of those games. 2 losses before league play will send you home after week 10----- that's why they really do not want us in-- Total domination by the 2 elite teams!

[orangeblood]

Guys we are in a BIG transition.....if and when we join the Fed, our systems and facility will trump the rest of the schools... Our non-football sports will improve... and it would not surprise me that is will be the beginning of the end for the Federal League as we know it...... leadership will naturally go to the leaders.....Massillon/McKinley.....along with the money.....I just hope we commit to the academics.....if we do.... the State Championships will follow.....


doug
Obviously, I agree with you on the academics. But the whole thing, IMO is all moot. Most of the Fed teams will fight to keep us OUT, especially Jackson and North Canton. I am not really worried about joining this league, until Boardman and Fitch leave. Then, I will start worrying. Boardman and Fitch have said they are not leaving. Should we believe them?

[Red50Go]

The Fed does not want to play Massillon & Mckinley both. Get real. This is OBVIOUS by who they schedule in their open dates. We dont need to be in the league to play a couple games/yr, and vice versa. Its just the most convenient crutch.

If/when Fitch & Boardman ever leave the Fed will pee down their leg til they think of more excuses and add Green or Wadsworth or Louisville etc.

[austinsm11]

The Fed does not want to play Massillon & Mckinley both. Get real. This is OBVIOUS by who they schedule in their open dates. We dont need to be in the league to play a couple games/yr, and vice versa. Its just the most convenient crutch.


But as others have mentioned if Massillon joins the FED, will they schedule the tough teams in weeks 1-3? Doubt it. So why would the FED teams schedule a tough Massillon team in weeks 1-3?

[monte81]

But as others have mentioned if Massillon joins the FED, will they schedule the tough teams in weeks 1-3? Doubt it. So why would the FED teams schedule a tough Massillon team in weeks 1-3?

We would have the same waterdowned schedule has everyone else!

[austinsm11]

We would have the same waterdowned schedule has everyone else!

I'm just saying that if it is going to be said that Massillon will schedule easier teams in weeks 1-3 to stay healthy, not have an early loss or two and risk playoffs, etc., then it seems logical that the current FED teams would do the same and stay away from Massillon during weeks 1-3, doesn't it.

[TigerVic]

For what reason has McKinley dropped Iggy, Warren, etc. from their non-league schedule? Could the same reasons be cited should the Tigers (gag) join the Fed and do the same?

From a football point of view, the Fed would be bad for Tiger football because the style of football is less diverse than playing teams from around the state. This- in addition to the reshaping of our identity as just another Stark County WHBC team as opposed to a name recognized throughout the state and nation.

What percentages of former players and coaches (and current players) would go along with such a move? What worth is their legacy when compared to "scheduling needs"?

Don't do it! Don't sell out! There is no going back if we do.

[austinsm11]

If Fitch and Boardman leave, will the FED look to get just one team in or 2 teams? If Massillon gets in and there are just 7 teams, that would allow a rotation of each team in the league to find another non-league game during weeks 4-10. I think someone may have pointed this out a long time ago, but the schedule could look like:

week 1: ????
week 2: ????
week 3: Warren
week 4: GO
week 5: Lake
week 6: Iggy
week 7: NC
week 8: Perry
week 9: Jackson
week 10 McKinley

I'm not really sure where I stand on the issue. I was all for joining the FED, but now I am not sure. Why are we doing it? Is it to make scheduling easier for football? To make scheduling easier for other sports? So other sports can try for a league championship? So players in other sports can get more honors?

As far as the scheduling of other sports, most of them have so many games that they play many out of conference games, including games against the FED teams. I don't see this really being a big issue.

As far as winning a league title, I don't really know what sports we have a shot to win? There always seems to be a team head-and-shoulders above the rest: Perry in wrestling, Jackson in boys and girls soccer, NC in girls basketball, NC/Perry/Lake in softball, Jackson/NC in tennis (not that I following it much, just a guess). I don't know how the FED teams are/would compare to Massillon in volleyball, cross country, swimming(jackson, maybe?), baseball, etc. or if there are one or two really dominant teams in these sports.

I am also not sure how playing these teams would improve our current teams since we already seem to play several FED teams in all of our sports. Is getting drilled by Perry in wrestling or Jackson in soccer or NC in girls baskeball really going to make our teams that much better?

As far as post season honors, isn't all-county for DI in Stark pretty much the FED plus Massillon? If the FED teams were going to shut us out in league voting, why not do it for all-county voting as well. I don't really see this happening. When county player of the year honors are going to Massillon/McKinley players in soccer and I believe a McKinley tennis player several years ago, I think that the coaches are voting on the best players.

As far as football scheduling, if we are in a league our schedule will be too easy. If we continue as independent it will be too difficult. There doesn't seem to be any solution that will give us an average schedule.

[orangeblood]

For what reason has McKinley dropped Iggy, Warren, etc. from their non-league schedule? Could the same reasons be cited should the Tigers (gag) join the Fed and do the same?

From a football point of view, the Fed would be bad for Tiger football because the style of football is less diverse than playing teams from around the state. This- in addition to the reshaping of our identity as just another Stark County WHBC team as opposed to a name recognized throughout the state and nation.

What percentages of former players and coaches (and current players) would go along with such a move? What worth is their legacy when compared to "scheduling needs"?

Don't do it! Don't sell out! There is no going back if we do.
Amen Brother!!:coolgleam:

[monte81]

I'm just saying that if it is going to be said that Massillon will schedule easier teams in weeks 1-3 to stay healthy, not have an early loss or two and risk playoffs, etc., then it seems logical that the current FED teams would do the same and stay away from Massillon during weeks 1-3, doesn't it.

I said that all along that no team that has real playoff aspirations schedules powers in the first 3 games before conference play. That's why we have no games with any teams and they are SCARED!! You think Jackon wanted to play Westerville South the 1st game last year---hell no but its hard to fill games early.

[MTown]

Just keep it in the back of your head that we are not in until THEY vote us in....

Do you see that happening?

[monte81]

Just keep it in the back of your head that we are not in until THEY vote us in....

Do you see that happening?

Depends on our New Admin---how much can he swing the vote. DO I want us in--NO

[proud to be]

]Guys we are in a BIG transition.....if and when we join the Fed, our systems and facility will trump the rest of the schools... Our non-football sports will improve...

I keep hearing this and I don't understand. Our non football sports, for the most part already play all the Fed schools. The softball team played Hoover, Lake, Glenoak, Perry etc.... As did the baseball and basketball teams. Can't speak to other sports. How does us becoming a part of the FED make those teams better???? I hear our new AD say that and it sounds to me like it's a bogus arguement to get people to buy into this idea.

[91' alum]

From a football point of view, the Fed would be bad for Tiger football because the style of football is less diverse than playing teams from around the state.
What... You don't think the wing T is a diverse style of Football!?!?!
:jestera: Has there ever been a team go deep in the playoffs with that offence?

[TigerCoach]

I think our kids would really love the idea of kicking Jackson, Hoover, Glenoak and Perry's asses every year versus D.C. Woodson or some hockey players from Canada. I know I would, hell you could be the man with all the Stark County girls!! LOL!!:thumbsup:

[TigerCoach]

What... You don't think the wing T is a diverse style of Football!?!?!
:jestera: Has there ever been a team go deep in the playoffs with that offence?


Cincinnatti Colerain does every year.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

I think our kids would really love the idea of kicking Jackson, Hoover, Glenoak and Perry's asses every year versus D.C. Woodson or some hockey players from Canada. I know I would, hell you could be the man with all the Stark County girls!! LOL!!:thumbsup:

Ain't that the whole reason we ain't FED?

The North Canton and Jackson mommies and daddies don't want our boys being "the man" with their innocent little girls!

:hug:

[proud to be]

Ain't that the whole reason we ain't FED?

The North Canton and Jackson mommies and daddies don't want our boys being "the man" with their innocent little girls!

:hug:


:doh2:

This thread just took a turn!!!

[Fats]

For what reason has McKinley dropped Iggy, Warren, etc. from their non-league schedule? Could the same reasons be cited should the Tigers (gag) join the Fed and do the same?

From a football point of view, the Fed would be bad for Tiger football because the style of football is less diverse than playing teams from around the state. This- in addition to the reshaping of our identity as just another Stark County WHBC team as opposed to a name recognized throughout the state and nation.

What percentages of former players and coaches (and current players) would go along with such a move? What worth is their legacy when compared to "scheduling needs"?

Don't do it! Don't sell out! There is no going back if we do.

I totally agree.

[Fats]

Just keep it in the back of your head that we are not in until THEY vote us in....

Do you see that happening?

MTown, what you have to remember is that this administration wants to be in the FED. Look, every hire has said they want to join a league(codeword FED).
This admin. will not hire anyone unless they follow the company line. I am afraid that this admin. will do anything to make the FED happy.

[Fats]

I have always been against joining the FED in Football. It just would not be in the best interest of our Program. BUT, I can see the benefits of the minor sports and Basketball joining. Scheduling would be automatic, it would help our programs become better. Also, maybe we could lower the pay of the athlete director, that would save some tax dollars.

[DAWGH8R]

How will it make the other sports "better" ????? I don't get this.:scratchchin:

[orangeblood]

How will it make the other sports "better" ????? I don't get this.:scratchchin:
I do not see that either. I have followed our basketball quite a few years, and I do not see the fed helping us in any way.

[chap]

YEP!:biker:

[austinsm11]

= Scheduling would be automatic, it would help our programs become better.

Although not automatic, do the other sports really have scheduling problems?

We already play most of the FED teams in the other sports, so how does it make us better?

[Fats]

IMO joining the Fed league may attract better coaches to some of the minor sports. Also I think our minor sports are not funded as well as the Fed teams. I may be wrong on this, but from following some of the minor sports.
I agree Basketball does pretty good on their own.
In this area we have some of the best track and field, cross country, baseball and being in the Fed just might develop our programs.
Of course, this is just an uneducated guess.

[DAWGH8R]

I think that our minor sport coaches have been pretty good. In hoops, we have a seasoned veteren. Our softball coach was good. Wrestling is making strides. Our FORMER girls hoops coach was good. I would like to see a former player with coaching experience take a stab at the baseball program.

We will be behind in most of the minor sports until we get a feeder system as good as some of our Stark County neighbors.

Ever follow thw ASA girls softball at Hoover ?? That's where they recruit all these girls from. We have no system as good as that. Our baseball system isn't what it used to be. However, we have some very motivated people involved in the hot stove leagues.

It seems as if our girls sports don't have a whole lot of interest.

[Tiger2001]

Nope. I wish there was a sticky just for this debate...

[Fats]

This issue is probably the most important to Our Tiger Program. This issue could decide what our program looks like 10 years down the road. So I am not sick of discussing an issue that means so much to Our Program.

[DAWGH8R]

As long as we are dicussing it, that means we must not be a part of it !!!!

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[Flying Tiger]

I would like to get in the Fed just to beat Jackson every year!! It would be nice to see all those fans head out early, well they do now since most of the school is in the band, most fans leave after the halftime show now.

[npaflas]

Heck it was nice went Massillon play Jackson in regular season 1978 and 1979 and won both years by the same scorre of 42 to 0 and believe me they the fans left early.

[orangeblood]

As long as we are dicussing it, that means we must not be a part of it !!!!

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Hey, maybe I have to start thinking LIKE THAT. As long as we talk about it, people will know we do not want it!!

[91' alum]

Heck it was nice went Massillon play Jackson in regular season 1978 and 1979 and won both years by the same scorre of 42 to 0 and believe me they the fans left early.
They gave us all we wanted and almost more in the post season of '90. Danny Craven was a one man wrecking crew.

[DAWGH8R]

Jackson will have a competitive team once every 15 - 20 years.

Another FED school that VASTLY underachieves given the amount of kids that attend !!!

[91' alum]

Jackson will have a competitive team once every 15 - 20 years.

Another FED school that VASTLY underachieves given the amount of kids that attend !!!
I'll give you that!!!...

[Submariner]

What ever the outcome, make sure you keep W.G.H. on your list of teams to play. It would not be a good schedule if Massillon was not on it.

[DAWGH8R]

What ever the outcome, make sure you keep W.G.H. on your list of teams to play. It would not be a good schedule if Massillon was not on it.

Nice to see LIMA on the RAIDERS 2007 football schedule. Hopefully, LIMA can rise to the success they had in 1996.

[TigerLily]

I've been reading debate on the style of football, the quality of the schedule, etc. And I know all about the financial discussion.

But, has everyone forgotten just how horrible it was to get a ticket when we had to play at North Canton and Perry? I sure do not want to have to go though that year in and year out. :thumbsdown:

Not to mention how much fun it will be to go on the road to "North Canton", "Perry", "Jackson" and "Fawcett" (maybe twice in a year). There's some "fun" road trips. I love the convoys going down the road to an away game and all of the different cities we get to see.

I like the idea of a league, but wish it could have teams in it that would include Warren, McKinley and some other schools in northeast Ohio with quality football programs. I like the idea of traveling a little and not keeping it so much in our backyard. And let's face it, there is really no love lost between us and most Fed schools. They look at us a little differently than McKinley. (And they should -- we are MASSILLON!!) :tig:

[orangeblood]

I've been reading debate on the style of football, the quality of the schedule, etc. And I know all about the financial discussion.

But, has everyone forgotten just how horrible it was to get a ticket when we had to play at North Canton and Perry? I sure do not want to have to go though that year in and year out. :thumbsdown:

Not to mention how much fun it will be to go on the road to "North Canton", "Perry", "Jackson" and "Fawcett" (maybe twice in a year). There's some "fun" road trips. I love the convoys going down the road to an away game and all of the different cities we get to see.

I like the idea of a league, but wish it could have teams in it that would include Warren, McKinley and some other schools in northeast Ohio with quality football programs. I like the idea of traveling a little and not keeping it so much in our backyard. And let's face it, there is really no love lost between us and most Fed schools. They look at us a little differently than McKinley. (And they should -- we are MASSILLON!!) :tig:You have nailed it down, TigerLily, the FUN WILL BE GONE.

[Obie Wan]

I bet it heats up again with this article (http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=18768&r=0&Category=2) from the 8/7 Inde. Here's an interesting quote from our new AD:

"I just want in. I don’t care if they tell us that we have to play the game and then take the trash out afterwards, we’ll do that."

I've never been one of the anti-Fed zealots, but if that's your attitude, Tim - FU. Massillon will clean up after no one. You can put on your knee pads and make your way around the room, but don't ever say you speak for Massillon when you're talking about kissing somebody's ass.

[CarlE]

I bet it heats up again with this article (http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=18768&r=0&Category=2) from the 8/7 Inde. Here's an interesting quote from our new AD:

"I just want in. I don’t care if they tell us that we have to play the game and then take the trash out afterwards, we’ll do that."

I've never been one of the anti-Fed zealots, but if that's your attitude, Tim - FU. Massillon will clean up after no one. You can put on your knee pads and make your way around the room, but don't ever say you speak for Massillon when you're talking about kissing somebody's ass.

Nice one there, Ridgley. What a freaking disgrace to every Massillon graduate and fan. Well, when you settle for what we did as an AD and not go after the best, this is what you end up with. Wan and I are DEFINITELY on the same page with this one. Unbelievable. The dumbing down of Massillon has begun.

[Marie]

Sad, very sad that its come to this. The powers that be begging and groveling to get in the Fed.

[CarlE]

Sad, very sad that its come to this. The powers that be begging and groveling to get in the Fed.

Whoever would have thought that Massillon would be groveling to the Feds. And somebody PLEASE inform Mr. Ridgley that I'm WELL aware of what freaking year I'm living in and my opinion is STILL the same. And forget whether I agree or not. To have yourself quoted saying something like this borders on well.....classless.

[Obie78]

How is it critical from a money standpoint? The way I see it Massillon will lose some home games (less money), plus all of the venues of other schools in the Fed. will not hold the amount of season ticket holders the Tigers have. So with your season tickets would you will only get a portion of the away games? How would they decide who gets which games. If they went this way they would loose money on season tickets for away games. If someone could explain the money aspect of needing to get into the Fed please let me know.

[CarlE]

Now, not to defend said AD, but I THINK when he refers to the financial aspect he's looking at everything, not just football. To that end, I can see where a case could be made for joining. Remember, the AD is not just responsible for football. We have to keep that in mind. Now, having said that, it's still idiotic what he was quoted as saying. And oh, wait until the McKinley site gets ahold of THAT one. Or yappi.

[monte81]

I bet it heats up again with this article (http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=18768&r=0&Category=2) from the 8/7 Inde. Here's an interesting quote from our new AD:

"I just want in. I don’t care if they tell us that we have to play the game and then take the trash out afterwards, we’ll do that."

I've never been one of the anti-Fed zealots, but if that's your attitude, Tim - FU. Massillon will clean up after no one. You can put on your knee pads and make your way around the room, but don't ever say you speak for Massillon when you're talking about kissing somebody's ass.


Our AD definitely is not speaking for the community. He can clean up after the ego, snobby Fed league people by himself!! Begging-- that just sounds like we are begging or something! F*** them and the league!!! He should get slapped for that statement of taking out the trash--we would every year on the football field!!

[monte81]

Now, not to defend said AD, but I THINK when he refers to the financial aspect he's looking at everything, not just football. To that end, I can see where a case could be made for joining. Remember, the AD is not just responsible for football. We have to keep that in mind. Now, having said that, it's still idiotic what he was quoted as saying. And oh, wait until the McKinley site gets ahold of THAT one. Or yappi.


CarlE that is BS and he knows it. We have never had problems scheduling games in any sport.You going to clean up in Perry, Jackson. Hoover, etc,... HELL NO! That was just an absurd statement the AD made to the paper. He is not Massillon., for Massillon, etc,... his career path is what he is thinking about. I AM MASSILLON THE AD IS NOT---- 4 SURE!!!

[austinsm11]

I've never been one of the anti-Fed zealots, but if that's your attitude, Tim - FU. Massillon will clean up after no one. You can put on your knee pads and make your way around the room, but don't ever say you speak for Massillon when you're talking about kissing somebody's ass.

I agree with you completely. I’m not necessarily for or against joining the FED, but this is very embarrassing.

[TigerVic]

While he's at it, he's taking Massillon's heritage, integrity, and identity out to the dumpster. Say goodbye to the Massillon Tiger football we know and love.

[TigerLily]

Are we “worthy”????…..give me a break!!!
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[Kamd50]

No wonder so many people had problems with him when he ran the baseball team:bomb: To say what he said, especially to a newspaper reporter shows he has absolutely NO Massillon pride whatsoever. I nominate him for the disgrace of the week award:thumbsdown:

If you want to go clean up and take out trash Mr Ridgely, you go right ahead, but leave the rest of us, especially the teams, out of it. You have no class nor do you exhibit proper decorum when speaking about your own alma mater. Shame on you!

[Banks]

How is it critical from a money standpoint? The way I see it Massillon will lose some home games (less money), plus all of the venues of other schools in the Fed. will not hold the amount of season ticket holders the Tigers have. So with your season tickets would you will only get a portion of the away games? How would they decide who gets which games. If they went this way they would loose money on season tickets for away games. If someone could explain the money aspect of needing to get into the Fed please let me know.

How many season ticket holders do you think we really have?

How many season tickets holders go the the away games?

You would be very surprized with the numbers.

[CarlE]

How many season ticket holders do you think we really have?

How many season tickets holders go the the away games?

You would be very surprized with the numbers.

So does that mean you think the little crowd we take to these away games should clean up the garbage afterwards, as your AD directed that he would?

[ChronicTiger]

How many season ticket holders do you think we really have?

How many season tickets holders go the the away games?

You would be very surprized with the numbers.

Do you have them?

[Banks]

So does that mean you think the little crowd we take to these away games should clean up the garbage afterwards, as your AD directed that he would?

Don't you mean OUR ad ?

My point was there shouldn't be a problem with getting tickets to most of the venues.

[CarlE]

Don't you mean OUR ad ?

My point was there shouldn't be a problem with getting tickets to most of the venues.

Well, much like when Clinton was President and made idiotic remarks like this I called him YOUR President. I'm not sure this is much different. But yes, for the sake of argument he is OUR AD.

[Banks]

Well, much like when Clinton was President and made idiotic remarks like this I called him YOUR President. I'm not sure this is much different. But yes, for the sake of argument he is OUR AD.

I know I am just pulling your chain!:unclesam:

[tiger#22]

I bet it heats up again with this article (http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=18768&r=0&Category=2) from the 8/7 Inde. Here's an interesting quote from our new AD:

"I just want in. I don’t care if they tell us that we have to play the game and then take the trash out afterwards, we’ll do that."

I've never been one of the anti-Fed zealots, but if that's your attitude, Tim - FU. Massillon will clean up after no one. You can put on your knee pads and make your way around the room, but don't ever say you speak for Massillon when you're talking about kissing somebody's ass.

Obie we have had our arguments and debates but I not going to disagree with you on this one,,,,this is the post of the year so far IMO.

[tiger#22]

How many season ticket holders do you think we really have?

How many season tickets holders go the the away games?

You would be very surprized with the numbers.

Give us the #'s then.

[Marie]

Don't you mean OUR ad ?

My point was there shouldn't be a problem with getting tickets to most of the venues.

Personally, I would rather stay at home and listen to the game in the MP chat room than be at Hoover or Jackson.

[massillon catholic]

Obie we have had our arguments and debates but I not going to disagree with you on this one,,,,this is the post of the year so far IMO.

Since, by joining the Fed would make Ridgley's job easier, I wonder if he is willing to take a pay-cut? He has seriously disappointed me with this "cleaning up the trash" statement.

[Fats]

I did not see the comments on this thread before I started a new thread about these disgraceful comments.

THIS IS why it is so Important to keep the subject of the Federal League in our topics. Unless we speak up and ask some important questions, this administration and coaching staff will do want they want and not what is good (imo) for our community and our Tiger Program.

[massillon catholic]

I did not see the comments on this thread before I started a new thread about these disgraceful comments.

THIS IS why it is so Important to keep the subject of the Federal League in our topics. Unless we speak up and ask some important questions, this administration and coaching staff will do want they want and not want is good (imo) for our community and our Tiger Program.


People who oppose this should demand that the school board be held accountable if this course continues. Maybe, the school board should implement the same rules that the mayor of Canton did when making comments to the media. That was everything must be run by her before somebody talks. The obvious reason, was to prevent somebody from saying something STUPID!!!

[obiefan]

This thread has run it's course. The other one has been started. I'm only monitoring one fed thread.