Ridgley will look to get Massillon in the Federal League

[Seeker]

So...when we gonna play Lexington?

:unclesam:

[DAWGH8R]

So...when we gonna play Lexington?

:unclesam:


Seeker,

WE were talking about POWERHOUSES !!

[longtimefirsttime]

So...when we gonna play Lexington?
:unclesam:

Are you serious?

Well it's probably more likely than another purple and gold team ending up on the schedule.

[DAWGH8R]

I seriously doubt that Lexington would ever make it on the Tigers schedule. It would be pure suicide for them to schedule uop THAT far in competition.

When they achieve the standard of beating Mansfield , Orrville, Wooster, and West Holmes, tell them to look us up. :cool2:

[Seeker]

Are you serious?


No. I was just baiting Crackerman.

[ForeverTwirl06]

joining the Federal League (which we ALREADY OWN),I think, is a stupid idea..

.. you hear everyone from Perry and Mckinley saying, if you're so good why don't you join the Federal league..

..if Massillon joined the Fed. League.. all we would hear is complaining.. because it's gonna be Mass vs. Mck for the Fed. League title every year..and people are going to start getting mad because they will have no chance at the title.. hands down....

.. i mean don't get me wrong, it would be nice playing local teams like perry and jackson and glenoak, but Massillon would always get the short end of the deal. Those stadiums don't even come close to holding the numerous amount of fans that would show up to the game,which would make many Massillon faithful VERY angry.. which will lead to all those Feds complaining about how much they hate Massillon and we're spoiled and all we care about is football and blah blah blah blah...

.. when i think about joining the Fed league the one thing that runs through my mind is when we played Hoover in the playoffs, I believe it was in the 02-03 season.. when most of our fans were left STANDING around their stadium and outside because there wasn't enough freakin room to even hold all of our season ticket holders... but we did get the last laugh after we KILLED them.. and Billy Relford became their number one receiver :2thumbsup: .. but still.. if we joined the Fed. League that's all we would run into...


..don't get me wrong.. it would be nice to beat the crap out of some local teams.. but I don't think that the Fed League is the best place for Massillon..

..but i guess it's not up to us fans.. we're gonna be in the Fed League weither we like it or not.. and when we do get there... I hope we show them the reason why they would want us to leave.. and when I hear all my Perry friends moan and complain about not winning.. all I'll say is I told you so...

[TigerDL71]

Butchell would be a top 20 DI school in Ohio. Year in and year out they would compete and earn a few playoff berths just like the rest. From the elite 10 teams we have in the state it is a drop off after that.

Big REd is a powerhouse and so is Mooney and would destroy a very high percentage of teams in DI every year! DI HS football compared to DIII is not that far off with the elite programs!

I really think that some years Mooney or Stubenville could beat if not beat give Massillon a great game. From what I seen in the state title games and seen from playoff games as well as Massillon games last years Big Red team would have gave Massillon a good run for their money.

[MassFan3]

Just a minor clarification. The Tigers are 22-4-1 against Benedictine. One of the best programs in their history was matched up with what most would agree was the lowest period in Tiger football history in over 60 years. When their pool of All-Ohio and Mr. Football players moved on, so did their desire to play the Tigers. That's nothing new.


So? Canal Fulton NW played the Bennys tougher than we did the same year they had their All-Ohio players! You say we were at a low point in our history, we still had some amazing players on our roster.

[MassFan3]

I guess that is what makes me different from a Fed lover, I think Our Tiger Program is special and different from any high school program in the country. Massillon players know what they are getting into when they put on the Orange and Black and I think the majority wants to play a tough schedule. You first say our schedule is so tough our kids can not take the punishment but then you state "I'm tired of having an independent affiliation and playing DIII and DIV teams. Now THAT'S embarrassing. Also, how many times have we lost to Benedictine, now a DIV team?? (They were DIII) You call THAT good for the program? Buchtel, Ursuline, Dover....that's what you get when you're not in a league. "

So if you think are program is at the level of the FED then I guess you are right we should join the FED in football, personally I think we are a top notch program and we do not need to join the FED.


I was trying to refer to the scheduling problem. Since we're not in a league, we schedule smaller schools.

[MassFan3]

And one more thing....those Benedictine and Dayton Chaminade teams would have beaten every team in the Fed. That's a bad arguement.

They wouldn't have beaten Lake that year.

[DAWGH8R]

Canal Fulton Northwest gave them a much better game in the DIII Final 4 at CCC the same year they had their pool of All-Ohio players. Northwest the past 5-6 years has been very tough, but it's still DIII football compared to DI . In fact, NW almost (and probably should have) beaten Benedictine that year. Massillon had some pretty tough players - don't make excuses. That's what comes when the school district shrinks, however. We have a tough time competing.

Northwest will be in D2 at the next OHSAA reporting.

Don't sleep on the '07 Indians. They have a HUGE line, and will be looking to make some noise in the playoffs.

They have built quitw the program up there. They have 116 kids out for football this year ! WOW !:sunny:

[DAWGH8R]

They wouldn't have beaten Lake that year.

Pass that this way ! http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/images/smilies/weed.gif

[TigerDL71]

Northwest will be in D2 at the next OHSAA reporting.

Don't sleep on the '07 Indians. They have a HUGE line, and will be looking to make some noise in the playoffs.

They have built quitw the program up there. They have 116 kids out for football this year ! WOW !:sunny:


Coach Vic Whiting has built a great program up there and it has been growing every year. He is a great coach and a great guy and they just need to get past Stubenville to get to the big Dance.


As far as the beating Lake comment.....I totally couldn't agree with you more.

[DAWGH8R]

After stumbling out of the blocks last year, ( first 3 losses), Northwest built some momentum by winning 6 of the last 7 to qualify for postseason play again.

They lost to an 11 win Cambidge team in a SLOPPY game.

One of my best friends is a HUGE Indian supporter, and he keeps me well informed. I used to take in a couple of Northwest games a year. I like what they've done with that program.

Kids in Canal Fulton WANT to be Indians.

[massillon catholic]

[QUOTE=TigerDL71;58772]Coach Vic Whiting has built a great program up there and it has been growing every year. He is a great coach and a great guy and they just need to get past Stubenville to get to the big Dance.



Wonder why we never hired Whiting. Aren't our cheerleaders better looking?

[Fats]

I was trying to refer to the scheduling problem. Since we're not in a league, we schedule smaller schools.


I disagree with this scheduling problem. It is a myth that the administration has put out to sell the joining of the FED. First, we have never had a unfilled schedule. Second, yes we have played some easy prey, mostly in the first 3 weeks of the season. I think Ohio State has done some of that. One reason is that local teams are afraid to play us. Also, over the years this so called scheduling problem has not hurt us getting into the playoffs.

One more thing, if you look at our 2007 schedule, I do not think we have schedule a lot of easy games.
Middletown is not a push over. Solon I think will be an early test. Parma Normandy, I do not think is that bad of a program. Ursuline will give us a chance to get ready for Mentor and Iggy. The next two Mentor and Iggy no need to talk up those programs, Buchtel is a team that comes to play, Harding always a tough game. Now I will agree West. Hills is a patsy, but a good game before we play that team to the east.
It seems to my untrained mind that this is a pretty good schedule and we did it Without being in THE FED.
So MassFan3 maybe you should take off those FED colored glasses.

[Fats]

First, If we go with my suggestion and have a 6 yr Home/Away schedule with the FEds then maybe we can see some facts.
Second - Tell me how LESS Home games which means 1. Loss of Ticket Revenue. 2. Loss of concessions 3. Loss of 50/50 funds
Increases our revenue. Also, Fed lovers may not want to admit this but Massillon will Win the majority of games against the FED. Just look at our past records. Believe it or not but eventually fan interest in these games will fade and the casual fans will stop buying tickets.
Also, We will not play powerhouses the first 3 weeks of the season. How many teams will want to schedule Massillon early in the season, or How many state rank teams will Massillon want to play early in the season. Their is a reason why you play a certain caliber of teams early. Just look to the east and to the Fed teams and see how many powers they play in the first 3 weeks. Heck, they Do Not even want to schedule us.
Third - If you think playing the likes of GlenOak, Jackson and Perry will bring us National recognition, I have to totally disagree.
So over the years by playing in the FED we slowly become just a memory on the National scene. Playing State and Out of State teams puts us in the national mindset in high school football.
So Facts or not , the administration has never answered any of these questions. Say No to The FED.

ObieWan these are the questions that I am still waiting for answers and what I think the facts are of why we should not join the Fed.

[Fats]

Okay this is your words. "If the Fed has Massillon, McK, Perry, Jackson, etc. " So I say again if you think Perry, Jackson and whoever etc. is. Then I question your understanding of who a State Power is. Can you honestly say Perry or Jackson are state powers or top notch teams. And who do you mean by etc.

MassFan3 I still am waiting if you think Perry and Jackson and etc. are state powers. Lets face facts if Massillon joins the FED(God Forbid) then the Fed will have 2 State Powers Massillon and Mck.
The FED did not make Mckinley a powerhouse.

[longtimefirsttime]

So? Canal Fulton NW played the Bennys tougher than we did the same year they had their All-Ohio players! You say we were at a low point in our history, we still had some amazing players on our roster.

There is no doubt that 2003-04 was one of the lowest points in Tiger football history. Anyone who says otherwise, doesn't have a clue. Attendance in 2004 was at its lowest point in over 60 years and 2003 wasn't much better. There's a reason for that. There were a few amazing Tiger players on the roster. But overall those teams were too young and overmatched.

In 2003 (Benedictine's 14-1 state championship season) they outscored opponents 448-117. That's an average score of 30-8 against the likes of Massillon, Bishop Waterson, St. Ed., Steubenville, Lake Catholic, Cardinal Mooney etc.

In 2004, their 12-3 state championship season, their losses were to Walsh Jesuit (who they later beat in the playoffs), Ignatius and St. Ed.

You mention Northwest. They beat that solid team by nearly three touchdowns in the 2004 playoffs. There is no other way to put it other than saying those were some of the best Benedictine teams they've ever had.

After the "All-Ohio" cast left, they went 4-5 in 2005 and 2-8 in 2006.

[DAWGH8R]

In 2004, their 12-3 state championship season, their losses were to Walsh Jesuit (who they later beat in the playoffs), Ignatius and St. Ed.

You mention Northwest. They beat that solid team by nearly three touchdowns in the 2004 playoffs. There is no other way to put it other than saying those were some of the best Benedictine teams they've ever had.

After the "All-Ohio" cast left, they went 4-5 in 2005 and 2-8 in 2006.

The teams that they lost to last year , had a record of 72-22 , and included 4 D1 teams !!!

That is a MEATGRINDER schedule !!

[longtimefirsttime]

They played tough schedules in 2003-04. The difference in results (2 state championships versus a 2-8 record) is the difference in talent.

[MassFan3]

MassFan3 I still am waiting if you think Perry and Jackson and etc. are state powers. Lets face facts if Massillon joins the FED(God Forbid) then the Fed will have 2 State Powers Massillon and Mck.
The FED did not make Mckinley a powerhouse.

Maybe not in recent years, but in the past Perry HAS been a force to be reckoned with in the playoffs, whether you want to believe it or not. So, yes I would include them as a state power, traditionally. Have they had down years? Sure. Who hasn't? Jackson is never a slouch and always gives teams a great game, even when they are heavy underdogs. In the end, I don't think they are athletic enough but always have a good gameplan. Lake is a traditional DII powerhouse and Hoover has traditionally been very good as well. I think you are referring too much about the last couple of years and not the grand picture. Boardman and Fitch I won't include as a state power, although Fitch had a TREMENDOUS team in 2005 that could have beaten almost anybody (if you ever saw that team play you would have to agree).

[MassFan3]

You mention Northwest. They beat that solid team by nearly three touchdowns in the 2004 playoffs.


Did you not go to the game? It was right next door! It was a MUCH closer game than the score would have indicated. I remember going because NW was the only team left in Stark County in the playoffs. NW was winning with about 4 minutes to go in the 4th until Benedictine made some plays. Don't be fooled by the score.

I guess like someone said on here earlier, divisions must not mean a whole lot anymore!

[tiger#22]

Maybe not in recent years, but in the past Perry HAS been a force to be reckoned with in the playoffs, whether you want to believe it or not. So, yes I would include them as a state power, traditionally. Have they had down years? Sure. Who hasn't? Jackson is never a slouch and always gives teams a great game, even when they are heavy underdogs. In the end, I don't think they are athletic enough but always have a good gameplan. Lake is a traditional DII powerhouse and Hoover has traditionally been very good as well. I think you are referring too much about the last couple of years and not the grand picture. Boardman and Fitch I won't include as a state power, although Fitch had a TREMENDOUS team in 2005 that could have beaten almost anybody (if you ever saw that team play you would have to agree).

In the last 25 years how many years has Perry made the playoffs?
To actually put Perry in the category of state powers is an absolute joke.
Who has fared better in the playoffs in the last 25 years Perry or Fitch?
Remember your the one who wanted to look at the "grand picture" so that is why I am using the last 25 years for an example.

[bthart22]

McDaniels and McKinley want the Tigers in the Federal League to add some prestige, which is not there at present. Right now it's The Bulldog League and most have already tired of that but can't muster the teams to change it.

[longtimefirsttime]

Did you not go to the game? It was right next door!


No I did not. So Northwest was winning with 4 minutes left and lost by 18? That would have to qualify as a huge comeback or a monumental collapse by Northwest. But you can't disagree with me that Bene was loaded. They were even better in 2003 as a matter of fact.

[DAWGH8R]

No I did not. So Northwest was winning with 4 minutes left and lost by 18? That would have to qualify as a huge comeback or a monumental collapse by Northwest. But you can't disagree with me that Bene was loaded. They were even better in 2003 as a matter of fact.


They had the game won !! It was a TOTAL collapse !!

[CarlE]

Maybe not in recent years, but in the past Perry HAS been a force to be reckoned with in the playoffs, whether you want to believe it or not. So, yes I would include them as a state power, traditionally. Have they had down years? Sure. Who hasn't? Jackson is never a slouch and always gives teams a great game, even when they are heavy underdogs. In the end, I don't think they are athletic enough but always have a good gameplan. Lake is a traditional DII powerhouse and Hoover has traditionally been very good as well. I think you are referring too much about the last couple of years and not the grand picture. Boardman and Fitch I won't include as a state power, although Fitch had a TREMENDOUS team in 2005 that could have beaten almost anybody (if you ever saw that team play you would have to agree).

Perry is a state power and Fitch is not. Son, give me some of what you have been drinking. It MUST be good. And Perry is a force to be reckoned with in the playoffs? What, are you talking chess club or what? This could be the most ludicrous post in the past two years on here. I'll tell you what. I think you should forego Tiger games this year and venture out to Perry and North Canton to watch those "state powers" go at it with McKinley. I think you might change your mind.

And yes, that state power Perry REALLY gave us a scare in the playoffs last year didn't they?? Good God.

[orangeblood]

Perry is a state power and Fitch is not. Son, give me some of what you have been drinking. It MUST be good. And Perry is a force to be reckoned with in the playoffs? What, are you talking chess club or what? This could be the most ludicrous post in the past two years on here. I'll tell you what. I think you should forego Tiger games this year and venture out to Perry and North Canton to watch those "state powers" go at it with McKinley. I think you might change your mind.

And yes, that state power Perry REALLY gave us a scare in the playoffs last year didn't they?? Good God.Gosh, I have total and complete agreement, Carle is absolutely, positively, completely, undoubtedly, and certainly right. (I hate to agree with him like that. :coolgleam: ) Profed fans, go to the corner chair for time out, your teacher, Carle, has spoken.:biggrin:

[Kamd50]

Lol, CarlE, you always manage to make me laugh:jestera:

[monte81]

Its only 2 teams in Stark COunty worthy of being called a state power in football and that is Massillon and McKinley. Any other team is mediocre or on the way up but state power--NOT! Perry however is trying to put togehter a good tradition for the football program and is making strides and this year they have a very solid team to work with.

[giant lugey]

How many state champions, individual or team, in all sports, have we had in the last 20 years?
None.

How many state champions, individual or team, in all sports, has the Federal League had in the last 20 years?
A lot.

Maybe joining the Fed will increase our level of play as a whole.

[CarlE]

How many state champions, individual or team, in all sports, have we had in the last 20 years?
None.

How many state champions, individual or team, in all sports, has the Federal League had in the last 20 years?
A lot.

Maybe joining the Fed will increase our level of play as a whole.

I have NEVER argued the virtues of the Fed in every other sport except football. So that is where my argument lies.

[ChronicTiger]

How many state champions, individual or team, in all sports, have we had in the last 20 years?
None.

How many state champions, individual or team, in all sports, has the Federal League had in the last 20 years?
A lot.

Maybe joining the Fed will increase our level of play as a whole.

I dont know...How bout giving us some numbers to back this up?

[DAWGH8R]

I think they have a few out of town recruits that won wrestling titles.

[austinsm11]

I dont know...How bout giving us some numbers to back this up?

I don't know exact numbers but there have been championships in softball, basketball. I was thinking Glenoak won in baseball. Several Perry wrestlers. I'm a swimmer/diver as well. I'm not really sure on the other sports. Perhaps some individuals in cross country or track.

[mike_da_man13]

Massillon, McKinley, Harding, Iggy, St. Eds, St. X, Mentor, Moeller, Colerain, Elder, Freemont Ross, Brunswick, Hilliard Davidson, UA, Solon, Perry,

Here are 16 decent teams. What 8 teams could Big Red beat on a regular basis?

i think big red would have gotten the better of brunswick, massillon, perry, mck, solon and upper arlington the past 2yrs say what you want they were loaded and if you say they couldnt beat any of the teams i listed you never saw them play

[austinsm11]

i think big red would have gotten the better of brunswick, massillon, perry, mck, solon and upper arlington the past 2yrs say what you want they were loaded and if you say they couldnt beat any of the teams i listed you never saw them play

Ummm...I guess you don't read my posts too well.

[Obie Wan]

How many state champions, individual or team, in all sports, have we had in the last 20 years?
Massillon has never won a playoff championship in any sport.

[DAWGH8R]

Massillon has never won a playoff championship in any sport.

That is a jagged pill to swallow.

[CarlE]

Massillon has never won a playoff championship in any sport.

Thanks, one of the 4,912,034 yappi posters that never let us forget it either!! LOL.

[longtimefirsttime]

Despite that, thousands of Massillon fans turn out each season to watch their teams play win, lose or draw.

[giant lugey]

State Titles, individual or team:
Glen Oak won in baseball, I think maybe even back to back. Lake won in Softball and wrestling, Hoover won is girls softball and basketball and maybe swimming, Perry in wrestling, Mckinley in B Ball and I think track, I don’t know about Jackson, but I would bet they had contenders in soccer or tennis.

How can all these Fed schools have state champs and we have none. I definitely think joining the Fed will help our minor sports.

The only argument I have seen against it is “their stadiums are too small” – Bull Crap
We played Fitch for years and never had a seating problems and their stadium is smaller than most. In this web site are posters asking for a renewal of the Fremont Ross series. Their stadium is even smaller.

A lot of our die-hards don’t go to some of the away games because they are too far away. Sure they will want to go when they are local. The point is, not every season ticket holder will be all that upset about not getting in.

Fact is, if we played a schedule of DIV 1 schools, the same size as Perry, Jackson, GO or Hoover, from any other part of the state, no one would complain. Just because these schools have FED in front of them, they are not worthy.

[Red50Go]

giant lugey, I hear you but what do you think we haven't tried? They wont play us league or no league. How does that feel? Personally I am sick of kissing a$$. And our current scheduling has been looking better & better so... I'll live.

[austinsm11]

I don’t know about Jackson, but I would bet they had contenders in soccer or tennis.

How can all these Fed schools have state champs and we have none. I definitely think joining the Fed will help our minor sports.



Jackson hasn't really even come close in soccer. All the good club teams are in Cleveland so the Akron/Cleveland schools are usually better. I know GO had some tennis players finish 3rd not too long ago.

I do have to ask how being in the FED will help the minor sports? The minor sports already play many of the FED teams and still no championships or improvement. How will being in the FED be different than it already is now for the minor sports?

[giant lugey]

When you play another league team, and you have the league title on the line, maybe you play a little harder. Maybe you work a little harder.
If you are in the running for leage MVP, maybe you train a little harder.
Harder work and harder training to win a league title can only make you improve your chances for advancing to the next level.

[austinsm11]

When you play another league team, and you have the league title on the line, maybe you play a little harder. Maybe you work a little harder.
If you are in the running for leage MVP, maybe you train a little harder.
Harder work and harder training to win a league title can only make you improve your chances for advancing to the next level.

Individually you could try for the county MVP. I don't know that it will make our teams work that much harder. I wanted to beat the FED schools badly because I knew many kids on the other teams.

Besides, we aren't really even close to the top FED teams in any sport.

[giant lugey]

Most schools in a league, even the OHIO State Buckeye's, will tell you winning their league (conference) and beating their arch rival, are their top two goals. Not necessarily in that order.

[austinsm11]

Most schools in a league, even the OHIO State Buckeye's, will tell you winning their league (conference) and beating their arch rival, are their top two goals. Not necessarily in that order.

So being in a league will make the student athletes in our minor sports work harder? I'm not buying it. Potentially if they are one of the top 2-3 teams, but I just don't know that we are close in any sport.

[CarlE]

Most schools in a league, even the OHIO State Buckeye's, will tell you winning their league (conference) and beating their arch rival, are their top two goals. Not necessarily in that order.

I PROMISE you Ohio State football has a bigger goal every year than the one you just mentioned. That comment is just short of blasphemous.

[DAWGH8R]

Lucky for us, we get to beat our ARCH RIVAL every year WITHOUT having to join their " stupid club " !!:wall:

[MassFan3]

Perry is a state power and Fitch is not. Son, give me some of what you have been drinking. It MUST be good. And Perry is a force to be reckoned with in the playoffs? What, are you talking chess club or what? This could be the most ludicrous post in the past two years on here. I'll tell you what. I think you should forego Tiger games this year and venture out to Perry and North Canton to watch those "state powers" go at it with McKinley. I think you might change your mind.

And yes, that state power Perry REALLY gave us a scare in the playoffs last year didn't they?? Good God.

Oh, no Carle! You sure told me! What are YOU smoking/drinking/telling yourself?

Since 1984 Massillon is 3-2 vs. Perry overall, 2-1 in the playoffs and one of those playoff wins was in 2002 by 2 points. You make it seem like they're Tuslaw. How is was that a ludacris post? Obviously, they've been quite a challenge for our Tigers.

Also since 1984, Perry has been FED Champs 12 times (84,85,87,88,92,93,94,95,97,99,2000,2002) and went to the Regional Semi-Finals in 1999 and 2002 and were the Region 4 Champions in 2000. Are you kidding me? If that is a ludacris post, my opinion of you and your football knowledge just hit the crapper - IN A HURRY. The most ludacris post in two years, boy I'd like to see what you think is a good post, then. Would you like me to post their record since 1984? Or would that just be a slap in the face?

Show me some facts to back YOUR point up.

[MassFan3]

I could go farther back to prove my point further, but since 1996 (Don Hertler Jr. started) Hoover is 86-36 with playoff appearances in 97,98,99,00,01,02,03,and 05. Shall I go into the Ed Glass era (who is in the coaches Hall of Fame)???

They went to the Regional Semi-Finals in 97,00,03 and the Regional Final in 2001. Yeah, but heck Carle....they NEVER make the playoffs. How can you have that much success and not be a state power? Oh, I'm sorry, you expect state powers to reach the Final every year - that's near impossible, my friend.

Oh and I never included Fitch as a state power.

Anything else you'd like to try and rag on me for, without any facts?

[CarlE]

I could go farther back to prove my point further, but since 1996 (Don Hertler Jr. started) Hoover is 86-36 with playoff appearances in 97,98,99,00,01,02,03,and 05. Shall I go into the Ed Glass era (who is in the coaches Hall of Fame)???

They went to the Regional Semi-Finals in 97,00,03 and the Regional Final in 2001. Yeah, but heck Carle....they NEVER make the playoffs. How can you have that much success and not be a state power? Oh, I'm sorry, you expect state powers to reach the Final every year - that's near impossible, my friend.

Oh and I never included Fitch as a state power.

Anything else you'd like to try and rag on me for, without any facts?

Um, yeah just a couple of things. First, when you're referring to something as far-fetched, it is NOT the name of a rap singer (ludacris). It's actually, and I'll go slow here is is l u d i c r o u s...OK, that's first. Next, and not that Fed championships mean s**t, but how many of those mighty Perry Fed titles were with McKinley in the league?? What? How many??? Hmmm, the facts SURE seem to be adding up my way. And yes, Hoover makes the playoffs. HELL.....EIGHT FREAKING TEAMS MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. Now that they are in, how have they faired? Well, a couple of 42-0 shellackings from the um, oh yeah MASSILLON FREAKING TIGERS. And then if that isn't enough let's throw some salt into the wound.....yep, that mighty state-known powerhouse WADSWORTH beat them.

Geez, sorry for the facts but thanks for playing anyway. You're ludacris!! LOL

And I'm sorry for the fact-based ragging post.

[DAWGH8R]

Could someone post Massillon and McKinley's post season records vs the other FED teams ??

THANKS !!

[CarlE]

Could someone post Massillon and McKinley's post season records vs the other FED teams ??

THANKS !!

The boy is NOT going to like the result of THAT post, H8R.

[MassFan3]

What's sad is that I knew those responses would be coming. 1st, I like ludacris, and last I checked, this wasn't a spelling bee. But hey, you're cool for pointing that out. Guess you got me there!!!!:sleepy:

About Hoover and the Fed titles - What does it matter? Look how well they've done. This isn't me defending how many times they have won the fed with McKinley in it. This is me defending that they have been a state power for quite sometime. So don't dance around and try to make this an argument it's not, just because you can't back your point up.

Perry is supposed to be pretty good this year, so maybe they will challenge McKinley again for the Fed title - who knows? In my original post, I didn't include Hoover as a state power, but looked up their record anyways and they've done quite well. Against the Tigers? Not necessarily. But have they gone past the first round of the playoffs? Sure, more than once in fact! They blew the game against Wadsworth (which has what to do with my post anyways?).

Thanks for the reply, but you haven't convinced me of anything nor have you helped yourself. The only thing you've managed to do was correct me on my spelling - whoop-dee-doo. Did I spell THAT right?

[CarlE]

Well, if you think winning the Fed makes you a state power then we probably are never going to be on the same page. But good luck to Perry and Hoover. And be VERY proud of your Fed trophies. We here in Massillon don't think they're worth s*t.

[ChronicTiger]

I could go farther back to prove my point further, but since 1996 (Don Hertler Jr. started) Hoover is 86-36 with playoff appearances in 97,98,99,00,01,02,03,and 05. Shall I go into the Ed Glass era (who is in the coaches Hall of Fame)???

They went to the Regional Semi-Finals in 97,00,03 and the Regional Final in 2001. Yeah, but heck Carle....they NEVER make the playoffs. How can you have that much success and not be a state power? Oh, I'm sorry, you expect state powers to reach the Final every year - that's near impossible, my friend.

Oh and I never included Fitch as a state power.

Anything else you'd like to try and rag on me for, without any facts?

Dude are you kidding me? I bet you know about density to weight ratios also. Making the playoffs doesnt count for ANYTHING! With eight teams from each region making doesnt count for much anymore! Anyway, to be a state power you have to make the playoffs and WIN A COUPLE GAMES every once in a while!!! I think winning the region multiple times over a long period of time would qualify as making you a state power. Could you please list all the Regional Championships the Fed has???? Could someone please post the Feds playoff record before and after Mck joined??

Hoover is a state power for making the playoffs every year and getting spanked.......LOL, thats a good one dude! Whats next are you going to start spouting off about UAV's?

[Al.]

Could someone post Massillon and McKinley's post season records vs the other FED teams ??THANKS !!


Massillon has a playoff record of 6 Wins 1 Loss vs the "the other" Fed League teams

1990 Jackson 21 15
1999 Perry 6 23
2001 Hoover 27 7
2002 Hoover 31 0
2002 Perry 23 21
2005 Hoover 45 14
2006 Perry 41 20

McKinley has a playoff record of 6 Wins 1 Loss vs the "the other" Fed League teams

1985 GlenOak 14 7
1986 Austintown 24 28 Not in FED in 1986
1997 Hoover 40 8
1998 Jackson 17 13
1999 Hoover 7 6
1999 Perry 0 7
2004 GlenOak 17 7

[austinsm11]

I bet you know about density to weight ratios also. Whats next are you going to start spouting off about UAV's?

Or maybe he could spot off like you about the AMA? oops.

:offtopic:

[CarlE]

Look here folks. If Chronic and I are agreeing about ANYTHING it must be right.

Right, Chronic? And by the way, conspicuously absent from responding is the Fed-loving MassFan3. Yoo-hoooooooooo. Where AAAAAAAAAARE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU?

[Kamd50]

I have to say that I was in complete SHOCK mode to see Chronic and CarlE actually agreeing on something! :eek: :jestera:

Let me say this I hope Perry is a pretty good team this year and that they beat the pants off of Mckinley!

[DAWGH8R]

Look here folks. If Chronic and I are agreeing about ANYTHING it must be right.


Mark the calendar, I agree with Chronic Tiger too !!!

Better start looking for shelter !!
:lol:

[Fats]

The FED lovers like to talk about how great their football powerhouses are but they NEVER have the B*LLS to play anyone. The FED is afraid of the Iggy's, The St. ED's, Moeller, Harding and of course Massillon Tigers.
Any one who can say with a straight face that Jackson, North Canton or Perry are state powerhouses, I would love to have what they are smoking.
IF you WANT to Talk the Talk you have to be able to Walk the Walk.
Wake up people the FED LOvers can say it over and over again until they hope someone believes them, but the FACTS do not back up their talk.

[MassFan3]

Dude are you kidding me? I bet you know about density to weight ratios also. Making the playoffs doesnt count for ANYTHING! With eight teams from each region making doesnt count for much anymore! Anyway, to be a state power you have to make the playoffs and WIN A COUPLE GAMES every once in a while!!! I think winning the region multiple times over a long period of time would qualify as making you a state power. Could you please list all the Regional Championships the Fed has???? Could someone please post the Feds playoff record before and after Mck joined??

Hoover is a state power for making the playoffs every year and getting spanked.......LOL, thats a good one dude! Whats next are you going to start spouting off about UAV's?


Ummm....earth to Chronic....you need to win a few games in order to make it to the regional semis and regional finals....thanks for proving my point though....lol:lol:

[MassFan3]

The FED lovers like to talk about how great their football powerhouses are but they NEVER have the B*LLS to play anyone. The FED is afraid of the Iggy's, The St. ED's, Moeller, Harding and of course Massillon Tigers.
Any one who can say with a straight face that Jackson, North Canton or Perry are state powerhouses, I would love to have what they are smoking.
IF you WANT to Talk the Talk you have to be able to Walk the Walk.
Wake up people the FED LOvers can say it over and over again until they hope someone believes them, but the FACTS do not back up their talk.

Or because the Fed has such good competition they don't want to play a freakin ridiculous schedule...lol you think they're afraid? Yeah...that's it buddy....that's their WHOLE rationale.

[DAWGH8R]

It wasn't too long ago that the regional semis WERE the first round of the playoffs.

How those schools do when ONE team qualified from each region.

Pretty soon, it'll be like basketball. Let everyone into the tourney !!

Then, let them all get on the field, and we can through in say,...........a participation" trophy. Boy won't the kids feel good then !!

[MassFan3]

Well, if you think winning the Fed makes you a state power then we probably are never going to be on the same page. But good luck to Perry and Hoover. And be VERY proud of your Fed trophies. We here in Massillon don't think they're worth s*t.


Carl SILENCED....gotta love it!


Again, I love how well you read my posts. I never said winning the Fed makes one a state power. I simply included that because the Fed is a great league, and if you can win that conference it's a pretty big deal whether you want to admit it or not. I love Massillon just as much as the next guy, but you are just blinded. You must think every league in Ohio sucks, just because we're independent. Whether you like it or not, if McKinley continues to win, it looks good for the Fed. People on here think it's "THE FED minus McKinley".....McKinley is a state power and they have no problem with the Fed - why do we?

[Kamd50]

Then what IS their whole rationale as to not wanting Massillon in their league and NOT wanting to play us when they have concurring open dates on their schedules?

[MassFan3]

It wasn't too long ago that the regional semis WERE the first round of the playoffs.

How those schools do when ONE team qualified from each region.

Pretty soon, it'll be like basketball. Let everyone into the tourney !!

Then, let them all get on the field, and we can through in say,...........a participation" trophy. Boy won't the kids feel good then !!


People....you think 8 teams is a lot? Teams like Moeller get left out of the playoffs because they only let 8 teams in. You act like that's a great point - "they let everyone!"..."they let 8 teams in!"....that's probably because those 8 teams were good!! It's not rocket science. It's not like the 8 seed has a record of 1-9 and they stink. Note back to last year.

[DAWGH8R]

Your right...

In '06 when

Perry was DESTROYED by Massillon

Hoover was -----------7 -3

Jackson was -----------5 - 5

Lake was --------------6 - 4

GlenOak was-----------3 - 7

Fitch was --------------4 - 6

Boardman was ----------3 - 7

What a TOUGH league it was !!! WOO HOO ! How would ANY of those teams stand up to a trip to Cincinnati or Cleveland ??

You can polish the FED all you want. But at the end of the day, all you have is a polished TURD !!

[MassFan3]

Then what IS their whole rationale as to not wanting Massillon in their league and NOT wanting to play us when they have concurring open dates on their schedules?

(A) I don't know, I'm not on a Fed school board, so I won't pretend to know the answer.

(B) I highly doubt FEAR is a reason why teams in the Fed avoid scheduling Iggy, Moeller, etc. Off hand I know Jackson has played some pretty solid schools in the past outside the Fed.

[DAWGH8R]

People....you think 8 teams is a lot? Teams like Moeller get left out of the playoffs because they only let 8 teams in. You act like that's a great point - "they let everyone!"..."they let 8 teams in!"....that's probably because those 8 teams were good!! It's not rocket science. It's not like the 8 seed has a record of 1-9 and they stink. Note back to last year.


Even YOU are not dumb enough to compare an 8 seed from REGION 4 with an 8 seed from REGION 2 , are you ???

Thank goodness for REGION 2 weakness, or the FED might NEVER experience a first round WAXING !!!

Where were all the FED teams when only 1 or 2 teams qualified from each REGION ??? Sniffing our JOCKS, that's where a!!

[MassFan3]

Your right...

In '06 when

Perry was DESTROYED by Massillon

Hoover was -----------7 -3

Jackson was -----------5 - 5

Lake was --------------6 - 4

GlenOak was-----------3 - 7

Fitch was --------------4 - 6

Boardman was ----------3 - 7

What a TOUGH league it was !!! WOO HOO ! How would ANY of those teams stand up to a trip to Cincinnati or Cleveland ??

You can polish the FED all you want. But at the end of the day, all you have is a polished TURD !!



Your point? Anybody can beat anybody on any given day. By the number of losses, I would assume the Fed was a tough league with a lot of parity that year.

[DAWGH8R]

(A) I don't know, I'm not on a Fed school board, so I won't pretend to know the answer.

(B) I highly doubt FEAR is a reason why teams in the Fed avoid scheduling Iggy, Moeller, etc. Off hand I know Jackson has played some pretty solid schools in the past outside the Fed.

I'd like to see that list !! PRETTY SOLID should mean: Iggy, Ed's , Moeller, Elder, Colerain, St X,. etc, etc, etc,......

I'll be waiting for that "list" !!!

[MassFan3]

Even YOU are not dumb enough to compare an 8 seed from REGION 4 with an 8 seed from REGION 2 , are you ???

Thank goodness for REGION 2 weakness, or the FED might NEVER experience a first round WAXING !!!

Where were all the FED teams when only 1 or 2 teams qualified from each REGION ??? Sniffing our JOCKS, that's where a!!


Do they make the playoffs? Ok thanks - point proven. It's out of their control what region they get put into.

[MassFan3]

I'd like to see that list !! PRETTY SOLID should mean: Iggy, Ed's , Moeller, Elder, Colerain, St X,. etc, etc, etc,......

I'll be waiting for that "list" !!!

You're out of your mind - only YOU would schedule them as an A.D. I, personally, would want to give my kids A CHANCE at a good season....wow!

[DAWGH8R]

Your point? Anybody can beat anybody on any given day. By the number of losses, I would assume the Fed was a tough league with a lot of parity that year.

You would ASSUME ?? Thats a good one !!

My point is: Those teams are usually mediocre , underachievers with the highest enrollments in Stark County, yet fail miserably when met with the resemblance of a "solid" team.

[MassFan3]

You would ASSUME ?? Thats a good one !!

My point is: Those teams are usually mediocre , underachievers with the highest enrollments in Stark County, yet fail miserably when met with the resemblance of a "solid" team.

Your opinion....the facts I put up would prove otherwise.

[Fats]

I tried to find this info but so far no luck.
How many All-Ohio has Massillon had?

[DAWGH8R]

You're out of your mind - only YOU would schedule them as an A.D. I, personally, would want to give my kids A CHANCE at a good season....wow!

You say they have no fear, but on the other hand say, I want the kids to have a chance at a good season.

I SMELL FEAR. If anyone can beat anyone on any .............................. why don't the FED schools EVER take a chance on THAT day ???

It will NEVER happen. They think the FED league is a UTOPIAN MECCA with the greatest Ohio teams. They have no reason to prove to the UPPER ECHELON programs, that they can't compete. They admit it by not scheduling them.

So they are a league of GREAT TEAMS that admits they can't beat the BIG BOYS ???

Which is it ???????

[Fats]

Here is the point. IF you want to call yourself a great league, State powerhouses (like Perry, Jackson, N. C.) then you need to play some of the tough competition. So Far the FED (except Mck) is NOT willing to do this.

[DAWGH8R]

Last year the FED had 2 teams in the top 25% of REGION 2 !! Does that sound like a powerhouse league ??

One -fourth of all teams in REGION 2 make the playoffs. Neither of the 2 REGION 1 teams,( Boarman & Fitch ), made the upper 25% in REG 1.

Tell me again how tough the league is !!! And the D2 school beat 3 of the FED D1's !!!

[MassFan3]

Jackson Non-League Schedule

2006 - Westerville South (4th in Region 3, same region as Hilliard Davidson, DI Champion), Hudson, Nordonia

2005 - Lancaster, Hudson

2004 - Lancaster, Hudson

2003 - Hudson (went 9-2)

2002 - Wooster, Alliance


Solid non-league schedule every year. The only non-league game that was a pushover was when they played Cuyahoga Falls, who is usually pretty bad.

[Fats]

When I was a young kid, I could beat up most of the Kids in my neighborhood.
That did not make me the toughest kid of Massillon. Because I knew in some other neighborhoods the kids were tougher.
The point just because a team can beat up their fellow league members does not make that league a powerhouse league.
You need to go outside the neighborhood and beat some of the tougher kids.
So FAR the FED has not done this.

[MassFan3]

You say they have no fear, but on the other hand say, I want the kids to have a chance at a good season.

I SMELL FEAR. If anyone can beat anyone on any .............................. why don't the FED schools EVER take a chance on THAT day ???

It will NEVER happen. They think the FED league is a UTOPIAN MECCA with the greatest Ohio teams. They have no reason to prove to the UPPER ECHELON programs, that they can't compete. They admit it by not scheduling them.

So they are a league of GREAT TEAMS that admits they can't beat the BIG BOYS ???

Which is it ???????



It's not fear, it's being intelligent. How many wins, if you were to schedule St. X, Moeller, and Iggy as the first three....would you expect to come away with? How many injuries? It isn't fear. There is the Jackson non-league schedule, I AGAIN back up my point with facts.

[MassFan3]

I tried to find this info but so far no luck.
How many All-Ohio has Massillon had?

You could list a ton for the Fed schools, too. That means nothing. There were a lot of solid players on Glenoak, but if I mentioned them as a state power, I'd get crucified.

[Fats]

Jackson Non-League Schedule

2006 - Westerville South (4th in Region 3, same region as Hilliard Davidson, DI Champion), Hudson, Nordonia

2005 - Lancaster, Hudson

2004 - Lancaster, Hudson

2003 - Hudson (went 9-2)

2002 - Wooster, Alliance


Solid non-league schedule every year. The only non-league game that was a pushover was when they played Cuyahoga Falls, who is usually pretty bad.


Gosh, you are so right. Wooster and Alliance, Hudson, Lancaster sends chills down the spine of our Massillon Tigers. The more you try to prove your point the more you sound ridiculous.
Here is what you should do. Give up your Tiger season tickets(if you have them) and go see your great teams from the FED. I mean why waste time wacthing the old tired worn out Tigers.
Just admit you have FED ENVY.

[MassFan3]

Gosh, you are so right. Wooster and Alliance, Hudson, Lancaster sends chills down the spine of our Massillon Tigers. The more you try to prove your point the more you sound ridiculous.
Here is what you should do. Give up your Tiger season tickets(if you have them) and go see your great teams from the FED. I mean why waste time wacthing the old tired worn out Tigers.
Just admit you have FED ENVY.


They are solid non-league teams. From now on, when you have a take on something football related, I will totally disregard it, because you simply don't know your stuff. I realize YOU may never have heard of these teams, but they are actually pretty good! Sounds crazy, I know.

I am backing up my point, and you are jumping to other ones. I was told to find solid non-league games that Jackson played. There you have them. Are they Iggy and Moeller and Harding? No. But they're solid games against teams that are/were pretty good. Do I have Fed envy? Of course not. Am I for the Tigers getting in the Fed? Yes. Do I think we should? Absolutely.

[MassFan3]

Here are more facts for you, if the Fed was so bad, teams like Jackson, Hoover, and Perry who sometimes go 7-3 would not make it into the playoffs. As it turns out, they go 7-3 or 8-2 and are one of the top 4 teams in the region. Is that a coincidence? Aw, you'll probably say it is a big OHSAA conspiracy.

[Fats]

I truly believe that the fans of the FED who want so bad for the Tigers to be in their league, for one reason, to give it a reputation, to make it a legit powerhouse league. To have two National programs (Massillon and McKinley) would finally prove them right that the FED is a great league.
I have yet to see a FED LOVER answer any of the ?s I want answer too.
1. How does less home games make more revenue?
2. How does playing the likes of N. Canton, Jackson, Perry contribute to our National Reputation
3. As Massillon Fans we have come to expect our Tigers to have a few games that are Must SEE High SChool Football. We lose that if we join a league.
4. Over the years the casual fan will lose interest in the Massillon vs Jackson, or Massillon vs GlenOak, Massillon vs North Canton. So I do not see attendance being helped by joining the FED.

The FED would love to have our fans ticket revenue. The Tiger following would bring more revenue to the FED teams. Our Reputation helps the FED to become a state power league. We would help to build their programs into better football teams.
JUST SAY NO FED!!!

[MassFan3]

Look here folks. If Chronic and I are agreeing about ANYTHING it must be right.

Right, Chronic? And by the way, conspicuously absent from responding is the Fed-loving MassFan3. Yoo-hoooooooooo. Where AAAAAAAAAARE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU?

Waiting for you to rebuttle my facts, with any type of intelligent post besides your typical, smart-alec response that tries to dance around what I prove you wrong at. I'm still waiting for you....sorry I took a 15 minute break away from the computer....lol it won't happen again:hyper:

[austinsm11]

I don't understand why the same people who don't want in the FED partly because then we have to play Iggy/Harding/etc. in the first 3 weeks are complaining about the FED teams not playing those types of teams in the first three weeks. You can't have it both ways.

I do think that the FED has some strong teams (more than what people give them credit) but I don't think they are state powers.

[Fats]

They are solid non-league teams. From now on, when you have a take on something football related, I will totally disregard it, because you simply don't know your stuff. I realize YOU may never have heard of these teams, but they are actually pretty good! Sounds crazy, I know.

I am backing up my point, and you are jumping to other ones. I was told to find solid non-league games that Jackson played. There you have them. Are they Iggy and Moeller and Harding? No. But they're solid games against teams that are/were pretty good. Do I have Fed envy? Of course not. Am I for the Tigers getting in the Fed? Yes. Do I think we should? Absolutely.
Are you trying to tell me that Alliance and Wooster are solid non-league teams. If Massillon had them on the schedule, you would be the First to complain about us having to fill the schedule with teams on this level. So disregard what you want but I do not believe I ever have tried to convince anyone that Alliance or Wooster would be good on a Massillon schedule.

[MassFan3]

I truly believe that the fans of the FED who want so bad for the Tigers to be in their league, for one reason, to give it a reputation, to make it a legit powerhouse league. To have two National programs (Massillon and McKinley) would finally prove them right that the FED is a great league.
I have yet to see a FED LOVER answer any of the ?s I want answer too.
1. How does less home games make more revenue?
2. How does playing the likes of N. Canton, Jackson, Perry contribute to our National Reputation
3. As Massillon Fans we have come to expect our Tigers to have a few games that are Must SEE High SChool Football. We lose that if we join a league.
4. Over the years the casual fan will lose interest in the Massillon vs Jackson, or Massillon vs GlenOak, Massillon vs North Canton. So I do not see attendance being helped by joining the FED.

The FED would love to have our fans ticket revenue. The Tiger following would bring more revenue to the FED teams. Our Reputation helps the FED to become a state power league. We would help to build their programs into better football teams.
JUST SAY NO FED!!!

Answers:

(1) Because when we aren't in a league, and must schedule 3 teams from out of state/COUNTRY, they bring NOBODY. We would be better off playing a Fed school.

(2) I already answered #2 in a different post. How does playing Buchtel, Dover, Woodson, Northpark, Western Hills, etc? You can make that argument either way, but in the end it'd be more in favor of my way. People know more about Perry, Hoover, and Glenoak then they do Woodson, North Park, Western Hills.

(3) We would still play Iggy and two other solid schools, along with FIERCE backyard rivalries against Perry and Jackson (now coached by McDaniels)

(4) Please provide facts to back this up. What if both teams are really good? That's like saying people will lose interest in Mass-McKinley, just because they have played each other a bunch of times. People didn't have a whole lot of interest in North Park, Western Hills, and Woodson. Or Buchtel.

Now there are your answers all in one post, so now you don't have to go looking for all of them.

[MassFan3]

Are you trying to tell me that Alliance and Wooster are solid non-league teams. If Massillon had them on the schedule, you would be the First to complain about us having to fill the schedule with teams on this level. So disregard what you want but I do not believe I ever have tried to convince anyone that Alliance or Wooster would be good on a Massillon schedule.

I will admit you are right on that but Wooster was 6-4 and Alliance is a pretty good team. If we can schedule the likes of DIII teams like Dover and Buchtel, we can schedule a good DIII team like Alliance, right?

[Fats]

Here are more facts for you, if the Fed was so bad, teams like Jackson, Hoover, and Perry who sometimes go 7-3 would not make it into the playoffs. As it turns out, they go 7-3 or 8-2 and are one of the top 4 teams in the region. Is that a coincidence? Aw, you'll probably say it is a big OHSAA conspiracy.


That is where being in the FED league helps. You are playing equal to lower competition. You are almost guaranteed to win 5 games. So you just need to schedule some easy team in the first 3 weeks and guess what You make the playoffs and then get Spanked by Massillon or Mckinley.
Now this may be why you want so bad for Massillon to be in the FEd. I might be an easy way to the playoffs. But, I do not think that is what the Tiger Program is all about.

[MassFan3]

I'll agree with you again, but we would do well in the Fed. As a school district, in the very near future our Tigers just won't be able to compete like we have traditionally. Sure we'll have good teams from time to time but it is growing more and more unfair for us! We have to face the facts, the Fed isn't that bad of a place for us to be.:ers: :usflag:

[MassFan3]

The bottom line is this:

We won't be able to get away with playing catholic teams that can recruit and teams like Mentor who have, LITERALLY, 1,100 more boys than we do for much longer.