Cavs Trade Rumors

[MassFan3]

Does anybody have any scoop on Cavs trade rumors? I have heard the following...

(1) Chauncy Billups for Larry Hughes and (forget the other person)

(2) Kirk Hinrich for Drew Gooden

(3) Kevin Garnett for Larry Hughes and Z. Illgauskas


Anybody hear anything else or can anybody correct these for me? Thanks! I'm wishing upon a star that the Cavs get a PG that can SHOOT. They have Daniel Gibson, but they need more than that!

[austinsm11]

How about both 2 and 3? That would be great.


Having said that, I don't see the cavs getting KG for Hughes and Z.

[fyrewood]

Memphis Could Be Interested In Varejao according to the Inde:

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=17857&r=2&Category=2

[tiger74]

I just hope the cavs DON'T go after steve blake. I just think he is a stiff. Now if we were to get KG I would be very happy, but I don't think he would come to cleveland. jarvis hayes would be a nice bench add for the cavs. Andres Nocioni wouldn't be bad either I just think some of the other names on the list from the Inde are not worth it. I am talking about the ones they said the cavs have a chance at. They could at least try for gerald wallace,rashard lewis or maurice williams. Just giving in to the thought that the cavs have no chance at these guys is a defeatest mindset. Maybe they could try for bibby again. they would of had a better chance at beating the spurs with bibby. Lebron needs help and the cavs had better get him some. You look at the teams that have won it in the past. The 2 laker teams had magic,worthy,kareem followed by shaq,kobe and horry. The celtics had bird,mchale,parish,ainge and walton. The bulls had pippen,grant and jordan.
The rockets had hakeem, horry and cassell. Now compair that to what the cavs had for a team and tell me why they were swept in the finals.

[mss2ms]

It would be nice if the cavs keep all the players on the team, look how far they got this year, they could do it again next year. GO CAVS!!!!

[ReineyKicker15]

First off keepin what they have was only good enough to get to the big dance not win it. And without adding any pieces it wont be good enough to even get there next year. But unfortunately the Cavs have no cap space and seemingly very little interest in making a trade. No way they can get KG or Jermaine O'neal because we dont have enough to offer. Dont have the money for Billups. The only good option is Bibby and I doubt that will happen.

[massillon catholic]

I can't believe that anybody would give up the players mentioned for Larry Hughes. He's a stiff! I think the cavs blew an opportunity to get Ben Wallace last year. I'd personally package up Hughes, Damon Jones, and Z and see what I could get.

[austinsm11]

I wouldn't mind Earl Boykins coming off the bench. I don't see that happening with the Cavs needing a starting PG, a shooter, and possibly someone to replace AV.

[monte81]

Cleveland is not aggressive enough in the off season in any given year to attract free agents, valuable trades, etc,... we need to get LJ some help to win it. However it is only a few players out there available to get it done and the Cavs will not over extend or pay any luxury tax for any of them at all. (Or is that just baseball)Mike Bibby would be a great PG for the Cavs. putting a package together for Z and Hughes could draw some interest but most of the role players are at the end of careers.

[austinsm11]

Cavs will not over extend or pay any luxury tax for any of them at all. (Or is that just baseball)

Actually Gilbert has said that he is willing to pay the luxury tax.

[massillon catholic]

Actually Gilbert has said that he is willing to pay the luxury tax.

Does that me he is going to increase the interest rates he charges on loans?

[monte81]

Does that me he is going to increase the interest rates he charges on loans?

Quiken Loans interest rates are off the charts HIGH!!!! Regardless he needs to start acquiring some talent around LJ right now!

[massillon catholic]

Quiken Loans interest rates are off the charts HIGH!!!! Regardless he needs to start acquiring some talent around LJ right now!

I've never done business with Quicken Loans, but I assumed that they were HIGH since he was able to buy the Cavs along with the other toys that he has.

[longtimefirsttime]

As much as I like to watch Varejao, the Cavs should let him go if teams are willing to give him $8 million a season.

[monte81]

As much as I like to watch Varejao, the Cavs should let him go if teams are willing to give him $8 million a season.


I know we can get a quality player better than him for the money!

[MassFan3]

He hurt us some in the playoffs just because of his inability to score on offense and finish easy buckets. All the other team had to do (if he didn't make the shot anyways) was foul him, because he isn't strong enough to finish for an "and-1" and his foul shooting is putrid. The thing that keeps running through my mind is when we refused to give him up for Bibby.....Bibby has DEEP playoff experience, can shoot the lights out, is a scorer, can handle the ball, and can create not only his own shot, but shots for others as well.

[Mass6]

Facts are that the last "big" move the Cavs made is making 13 million and can't hit a shot. I don't see them making any big time moves. Just typical Cleveland that's all.

[austinsm11]

Romeo Travis will play on the Cavs' summer league team. Kevin Pittsnogle from WV is also on the team. Daniel Gibson and Shannon Brown will be playing as well.

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=363501&r=0&subCategoryID=0

Summer League Roster:
http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=363480&r=5&subCategoryID=0

[longtimefirsttime]

Did Travis have a connection with the Cavs or something? :wink:

[Al.]

Did Travis have a connection with the Cavs or something? :wink:


As in Lebron's posse :scratchchin:

[austinsm11]

Did Travis have a connection with the Cavs or something? :wink:

I'm wondering if Dru Joyce will be the next Cavs coach.

[austinsm11]

Cavs shopping Gooden?

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=18006&r=4&Category=2

If the Cavaliers are forced to match an offer sheet to Varejao from the Memphis Grizzlies that they deem exuberant, league sources say they have entertained thoughts of dealing Gooden.

[longtimefirsttime]

"Cavaliers waiting to see if Memphis moves on Varejao"
http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=18078&r=4&Category=2

[longtimefirsttime]

Varejao's top suitor, the Memphis Grizzlies, just signed Orlando's Darko Milicic.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2933472
So maybe he'll be staying in Cleveland.

[austinsm11]

Varejao's top suitor, the Memphis Grizzlies, just signed Orlando's Darko Milicic.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2933472
So maybe he'll be staying in Cleveland.

That is really good news for Cleveland.

[longtimefirsttime]

From ESPN.com
"Cleveland is the team everyone's watching as the 55-game Vegas circuit dribbles to a close Sunday.

For a couple reasons:

The Cavs, according to NBA front-office sources, are getting even more serious than they were in February to assemble a deal that lands them Mike Bibby.

The Cavs, sources say, would have to send Drew Gooden to Sacramento in any deal for Bibby, which would make re-signing restricted free agent Anderson Varejao even more of a priority for Cleveland than it was a week ago. Yet Varejao is said to be strongly weighing the prospect of calling off negotiations this summer and invoking Cleveland's $1.3 million qualifying offer for next season, because the sides are so far apart in negotiations. If he chooses that option, Varejao would become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2008.

A trade involving Gooden would restore a good bit of the leverage Varejao appeared to lose when Memphis decided to use its salary-cap space on Darko Milicic as opposed to the Big Brazilian."

[longtimefirsttime]

The heat has been turned up on the Cavs signing Varejao, as two more options, Steve Blake & Mo Peterson have signed elsewhere.

I've heard Brevin Knight's (remember him?) name thrown out there as a cheaper option.

[longtimefirsttime]

From the Beacon Journal:
"According to multiple league executives, the Cavs and Kings have restarted talks to bring Mike Bibby to Cleveland. The two teams nearly completed a deal shortly before February's trading deadline and have been in discussions again over the past several days. A version of the deal was close to happening Thursday, sources said, in a three-way move with the Spurs. The Kings, looking to add more scoring to their front line, have been interested in Drew Gooden. According to a source, Damon Jones also might have been included in the potential deal."

[austinsm11]

On the ESPN scroll at the bottom it was reported that Mo Peterson was going to Charlotte according to reports from the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Is Peterson from Cleveland? How did the Plain Dealer break this story?

That would worry me if AV signs with the Cavs for 1.3 million and becomes unrestricted next year. If he has a break out year (which is very possible if he moves into a starting position) how much money will he want then?

[austinsm11]

http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=18183&r=3&Category=2

"When players are restricted free agents like the Cavaliers’ Anderson Varejao and Sasha Pavlovic, “it chills the market,” a prominent agent said. The Cavs probably scared away some possible suitors by publicly saying they were going to match offers for their two popular players.

'It’s a really tough system,' the agent said. “It happens over and over and over. It’s a very subtle thing. There are certain nuances to being restricted."

Why not offer the player? If the current team matches it, it could put them in some financial difficulty down the road. If Memphis offers AV 8 million and the Cavs really don't want to let him get away and match, then they are paying a couple million more than they really wanted. I would think that by at least offering restricted players you will either get the player you want or make it hard on the other team in the future.

[jbones]

i heard some rumors tht the cavs would offer Minnesota hughes gooden and pavs for Kevin Garnett, if this is true then the cavs will be the nba champions next year

[CarlE]

i heard some rumors tht the cavs would offer Minnesota hughes gooden and pavs for Kevin Garnett, if this is true then the cavs will be the nba champions next year

Wanna bet?

[jbones]

wanna bet what tht im right

http://sportswrap.berecruited.com/2007/06/22/kevin-garnett-trade-rumors-suns-lakers-bulls-and-cavaliers/

theres proof

[CarlE]

wanna bet what tht im right

http://sportswrap.berecruited.com/2007/06/22/kevin-garnett-trade-rumors-suns-lakers-bulls-and-cavaliers/

theres proof

Um, no junior. That you are wrong.

[jbones]

when the cavs get KG then we will see who is wrong

[massillon catholic]

Minnesota would be nuts to trade Garnett for those three stiffs!

[longtimefirsttime]

I don't know if the Timberwolves would make that deal, but I would like to see it.

[ChronicTiger]

wanna bet what tht im right

http://sportswrap.berecruited.com/2007/06/22/kevin-garnett-trade-rumors-suns-lakers-bulls-and-cavaliers/

theres proof

that article is a month old.....

:eyemouth:

[Tiger2001]

I wouldnt even want KG.

[longtimefirsttime]

A list of best remaining free agents:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0707/best.remaining.free.agents.nba/content.1.html

[monte81]

I wouldnt even want KG.

You wouldn't want KG??? You have been sipping alittle to much. KG is better than the whole Cavs front line and averages 20 pts. and 11 boards over his career. The one year that the Timberwolves gave him some help they went to the conference finals(Spreewell and Cassell).

I would give up Gooden, Z, and Hughes to get KG--Gooden plays when he wants, Hughes is content with the cash, and Z is not physical or quick enough to give the Cavs what they need in the middle. I would also try to signMatt Barnes--he is true hustle player with way better game than Verejo! Chris Webber would also be a great bench/roll player upgrading from the trash they have right now.

[austinsm11]

I would give up Gooden, Z, and Hughes to get KG--Gooden plays when he wants, Hughes is content with the cash, and Z is not physical or quick enough to give the Cavs what they need in the middle. I would also try to signMatt Barnes--he is true hustle player with way better game than Verejo! Chris Webber would also be a great bench/roll player upgrading from the trash they have right now.

I would love that trade for KG as well. Heck, throw in Jones and Marshall as well.

[TigerCoach]

I think the Cavs can win with Drew Gooden, but I'd like to trade Z for a premier point guard like Mike Bibby or Jason Kidd. Getting rid of Damon Jones and Ira Newble would also help. I'd keep Eric Snow around for leadership, defense and a chance for a local guy to win the ring.

[monte81]

I think the Cavs can win with Drew Gooden, but I'd like to trade Z for a premier point guard like Mike Bibby or Jason Kidd. Getting rid of Damon Jones and Ira Newble would also help. I'd keep Eric Snow around for leadership, defense and a chance for a local guy to win the ring.

Eric Snow will be on the Cavs roster for the next 2 years because Lebron loves his leadership and defense in cruical situations. In the finals Parker torched every guard we had until Snow started checking him and his drives to the paint every play stopped!!

TC---- Gooden does not come to play every night like you need your PF and top rebounder. One game he will have a double-double and the next 2 games he will be garbage!

I agree with you totally on Newble, jones, Marshall, etc,... give them the BOOT!

[austinsm11]

According to the ABJ, the Cavs have little interest in Brevin Knight or Earl Boykins.

[hitman]

Eric Snow will be on the Cavs roster for the next 2 years because Lebron loves his leadership and defense in cruical situations. In the finals Parker torched every guard we had until Snow started checking him and his drives to the paint every play stopped!!

TC---- Gooden does not come to play every night like you need your PF and top rebounder. One game he will have a double-double and the next 2 games he will be garbage!

I agree with you totally on Newble, jones, Marshall, etc,... give them the BOOT!

Monti, Monti!! Nobody on the Cavs team can/could check Parker, NOBODY! Eric Snow DID NOT stop Parker. His leadership is great for the Cavs but I think he hurts the team b/c he's too slow and he can't shoot a 12 ftoor.

[hitman]

Marshall is TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

[monte81]

Monti, Monti!! Nobody on the Cavs team can/could check Parker, NOBODY! Eric Snow DID NOT stop Parker. His leadership is great for the Cavs but I think he hurts the team b/c he's too slow and he can't shoot a 12 ftoor.


I didnt say stop Parker but he contained him when he was checking him--go back and watch. However when Hughes, Sasha, Gibson,etc,... was gurding him he did what he wanted to do and Snow made him work and earn it.

[austinsm11]

Well, it looks like KG isn't an option anymore.

[monte81]

Well, it looks like KG isn't an option anymore.

Boston is getting a steal for all the salaries and non productive players they vave up for KG!

[MTown]

Yes, but their impact guys (Pierce, Allen, Garnett) are all in their 30's and have HUGE contracts. Either they win NOW or else the Celtics are going to suck real bad and for a long, long time.

[austinsm11]

Yes, but their impact guys (Pierce, Allen, Garnett) are all in their 30's and have HUGE contracts. Either they win NOW or else the Celtics are going to suck real bad and for a long, long time.

Very true, but they should have a somewhat easy path to the finals in the East.

[TigerCoach]

The Celtics sure have made a statement, but I wouldn't put them in the Eastern Conference Finals yet, regardless of what Stephen A. Smith says. It will be interesting to see how KG, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce share the ball. That's a concept their not used to.

[massillon catholic]

The Celtics sure have made a statement, but I wouldn't put them in the Eastern Conference Finals yet, regardless of what Stephen A. Smith says. It will be interesting to see how KG, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce share the ball. That's a concept their not used to.


I wouldn't take anything Smith says, too seriously.

[CarlE]

The Celtics sure have made a statement, but I wouldn't put them in the Eastern Conference Finals yet, regardless of what Stephen A. Smith says. It will be interesting to see how KG, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce share the ball. That's a concept their not used to.

That idiot Stephan A. Smith said it?? Hell, they'll end up in the basement now.

[massillon catholic]

That idiot Stephan A. Smith said it?? Hell, they'll end up in the basement now.

He is the "kiss of death" when it comes to predictions.

[SuperBran]

Boston is getting a steal for all the salaries and non productive players they vave up for KG!

really? although i think KG will help them tremendously, they did give up a LOT.

look at the 2007 salaries of the players they gave up:

a. jefferson = $1.6 mil
r. gomas = $600k
g. green = $1.3 mil
s.telfair = $1.8 mil
t. ratliff = $11.5 mil

the total is $16.8 mil. take out ratliff and those guys don't really make a lot.

plus, they gave up two first round picks.

a. jefferson put up 16/11, so that's pretty productive. he's also only 22.

boston definitely gave up a lot in an effort to compete now, so hopefully it works out.

[austinsm11]

It will be interesting to see how KG, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce share the ball. That's a concept their not used to.

Hard to say for sure, but R.Lewis averaged over 20 a game alongside Allen. I don't really think KG is a selfish player and Pierce at this point seems like he just wants to win based on his wanting help for so long.

I think the bigger thing will be if Allen and Pierce can stay healthy.

[monte81]

Hard to say for sure, but R.Lewis averaged over 20 a game alongside Allen. I don't really think KG is a selfish player and Pierce at this point seems like he just wants to win based on his wanting help for so long.

I think the bigger thing will be if Allen and Pierce can stay healthy.

I think the deal is great for Boston because Ray Allen is a spot up shooter or shoots alot off picks. KG is a defensive player/rebounder and scores in the paint off those boards and does not need the ball to be active or productive. Paul Pierce cried for a TEAM so he could play for a championship and now he has it. I wished for LA or Cleveland to get KG--- Oh well they still have to play ball!

[Tiger2001]

Boston traded away their defense, bench, and future. Ugliest NBA trade I have seen in a long time. Boston wins between 42-47 games this year, but wont make much of a difference in the east.

[monte81]

Boston traded away their defense, bench, and future. Ugliest NBA trade I have seen in a long time. Boston wins between 42-47 games this year, but wont make much of a difference in the east.

They win over 50 with the current team! BET?

[MTown]

They'll win 50 simply because the East is so weak.

[monte81]

They'll win 50 simply because the East is so weak.


Boston could win 50 in the Western Conference as well. LA won 44 games!

[SuperBran]

Boston traded away their defense, bench, and future.

boston better win quickly b/c they absolutely traded away their future. there are going to be some angry celtic fans if they don't produce quickly.

risky move on their part.

KG will be a big upgrade, but how they play as a team remains to be seen. i remember a lot of people talking about how great denver would be when they brought in AI.

[longtimefirsttime]

Boston will be improved but not enough to make a significant impact.

[austinsm11]

Boston signed Scott Pollard from the Cavs. The Celtics have also contacted Reggie Miller about a comeback. They will go from old to ancient if this happens.

[massillon catholic]

Boston signed Scott Pollard from the Cavs. The Celtics have also contacted Reggie Miller about a comeback. They will go from old to ancient if this happens.


Any chance they want Marshall and damian jones?

[austinsm11]

Any chance they want Marshall and damian jones?

The only thing is that they don't have any players or draft picks to trade for them. Although I would be happy to just give those two away, especially jones.

[Tiger2001]

Boston could win 50 in the Western Conference as well. LA won 44 games!

LA won 42 games. 43 if you count the win they had in the first round of the playoffs.


Western teams that won at least 50 games...
Dallas - 67
Phoenix - 61
San Antonio - 58
Houston - 52
Utah - 51

Boston couldnt win 40 games in the west lol!!!

[austinsm11]

I have earned on a few sports shows that the Cavs are interested in Allen Houston.

[tiger#22]

I have earned on a few sports shows that the Cavs are interested in Allen Houston.

They would be better off trying to entice Reggie Miller out of retirement.

[TigerCoach]

I have earned on a few sports shows that the Cavs are interested in Allen Houston.

Still doesn't address the need for a point guard. Unless, they plan on giving that job to Boobie Gibson?

[massillon catholic]

They would be better off trying to entice Reggie Miller out of retirement.


How about Bingo Smith?

[austinsm11]

If we need to lure a pg out of retirement, How about Mark Price? I wonder how old he is. LOL.
I thought I heard that Penny Hardaway is going to play with the Heat.

[massillon catholic]

.
I thought I heard that Penny Hardaway is going to play with the Heat.


That will be too many "stars". It will never work, IMO.

[monte81]

LA won 42 games. 43 if you count the win they had in the first round of the playoffs.


Western teams that won at least 50 games...
Dallas - 67
Phoenix - 61
San Antonio - 58
Houston - 52
Utah - 51

Boston couldnt win 40 games in the west lol!!!


Like I said Boston wcould win 50 in the West. Utah or Houston are better with the new players.

[austinsm11]

That will be too many "stars". It will never work, IMO.

It is hard to say. He hasn't played in a few years so hopefully wouldn't have an ego like in some of the other situations. Then again, wasn't it GP and Karl Maloen would went to the Lakers as role players and then threw a fit about lack of getting the ball?

[longtimefirsttime]

The Heat have reportedly recently contacted the Cavs about Sasha Pavlovic.

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

cleveland is an average team at best. they weren`t even that good last yr. if it wasn`t for a super human preformance by lebron they couldn`t beat detroit and if the wizards didnt have the 2 injuries , cleveland wouda be out in 1st round. that team is really bad if you look deep into them. the most boring offense ever. give it to lebron. every play runs through him,only a moron coach couldn`t defend cleveland. .500 at best this yr, out in 1st rd.

[SuperBran]

cleveland is an average team at best.

pure nonsense.

they weren`t even that good last yr.

yep, average teams win 50 games and make it to the finals.

if it wasn`t for a super human preformance by lebron they couldn`t beat detroit and if the wizards didnt have the 2 injuries , cleveland wouda be out in 1st round.

and if my aunt had a pair of grapes, she'd be my uncle.

that team is really bad if you look deep into them.

so first they're average, then they're "really bad"?

the most boring offense ever.

really? i think there were quite a few teams that were more boring......but what do i know, as i actually watch the games.

give it to lebron. every play runs through him,only a moron coach couldn`t defend cleveland. .

then perhaps you should submit your resume.

500 at best this yr

i'll take that bet.

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

pure nonsense.



yep, average teams win 50 games and make it to the finals.



and if my aunt had a pair of grapes, she'd be my uncle.



so first they're average, then they're "really bad"?



really? i think there were quite a few teams that were more boring......but what do i know, as i actually watch the games.

.

then perhaps you should submit your resume.



i'll take that bet.

cleveland sports teams are an absolute joke. since the firing of paul brown its been downhill since. they haven`t won anything in 50+ years and you can add another 50 yrs to that.

ps and i`ll take that bet

cleveland fans famous last words "there`s always next year"

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

by the way, lebron will be gone in 3 yrs anyway and win a title in with a real team. how`s he expected to win with free angent donkey signings like damon jones and donyell marshall. oh let`s not forget "i have a an ingrown toenail or some other joke of an injury larry hughes" another free agent joke.

too bad they could only get hughes because redd and ray allen wanted no part of that team. no primetime player will want to come and play in that dump of a town and once lebron leaves gilbert will move the team or sell it a year before lebrons contract is up.

maybe you can sign brevin knight, you need a point guard, oh wait forgot, you a need a coach to utilize his talent offensively as well. geez you guys need everything. funny how so many players that road the pine in cleveland flourish in other nba cities, hummmmmmmmm wonder why? kapono, b, knight, e boykins and even the big dope diop can actually play a little if the right coach developed him.

cleveland in the finals last year was a complete embarrassment. that was like massillon playing c.v.c.a in football

[CarlE]

cleveland is an average team at best. they weren`t even that good last yr. if it wasn`t for a super human preformance by lebron they couldn`t beat detroit and if the wizards didnt have the 2 injuries , cleveland wouda be out in 1st round. that team is really bad if you look deep into them. the most boring offense ever. give it to lebron. every play runs through him,only a moron coach couldn`t defend cleveland. .500 at best this yr, out in 1st rd.


God, we have a new nomination for Moron Poster of the Week. Hmm, "wouda be out".....can you PLEASE explain to me what "wouda" means there Mr. Mensa? And as far as moron coaches being able to defend them, well I GUESS Einstein every coach in the NBA East is a moron since the Cavs went all the way to the NBA Finals; where they were beaten by a team with FAR superior talent.

[tiger74]

HEY CARLE, maybe he was trying to be Italian. wouda that make sense to youse. lol the east is a joke. the west has way more talent. I could agree to some of what mr empty pants said about the cavs being an average team. go back and look at how they were run off the court when playing the suns. they just seem to match up well with detriot in that they have big guys to bang against detriot. If not for a missed marshall 3 ball the cavs would have sweeped detriot. I really think the cavs should dump Z he is a slow poke and to top that off why do you pump fake at 7'3 dunk the dang ball. I also wish they would get rid of coach brown his gameplan sucks. why try to slow it down when that is not your team type. coach brown is just plan dumb. shasha and hughes would play better if they would speed up the tempo. they are not halfcourt players. If hughes played for phoenix he would probably score close to 30 a game. If they are going to run that type of offense get people who move without the ball and are halfcourt players. why try using hughes in the halfcourt when he is a fast break type player.

[SuperBran]

cleveland sports teams are an absolute joke. since the firing of paul brown its been downhill since. they haven`t won anything in 50+ years and you can add another 50 yrs to that.

ps and i`ll take that bet

cleveland fans famous last words "there`s always next year"

well, in the past 50 years the cavs have won the eastern division, the indians have won a couple of penants. i guess they haven't won anything, though.

so who are your teams? let me guess.....san antonio, st. louis, and indy.

[SuperBran]

by the way, lebron will be gone in 3 yrs anyway and win a title in with a real team.

so which "real team" will he go to and win a title? hasn't there only been about six teams in the past twenty years who have won titles? i guess there really aren't many "real" teams out there.

how`s he expected to win with free angent donkey signings like damon jones and donyell marshall. oh let`s not forget "i have a an ingrown toenail or some other joke of an injury larry hughes" another free agent joke.[/QUOTE]

i guess he learned to win with guys like that last year....oh, i forgot that you live in a cave and have no clue what happened last year......or the year before. the fact remains that cleveland has improved each year lebron has been here.

too bad they could only get hughes because redd and ray allen wanted no part of that team.

and how many other teams did redd and allen want no part of? i think you forget that redd RESIGNED with his team (the ONLY team he's been with) and allen was traded to seattle and then boston.

no primetime player will want to come and play in that dump of a town and once lebron leaves gilbert will move the team or sell it a year before lebrons contract is up.

and that's your opinion, which is pure speculation. you should open up your own psychic hotline.

funny how so many players that road the pine in cleveland flourish in other nba cities, hummmmmmmmm wonder why? kapono, b, knight, e boykins and even the big dope diop can actually play a little if the right coach developed him.

brevin knight has flourished since leaving cleveland? LOL. look at his stats with cleveland and then afterwards. they're not that much better.
kapono? i think you forget that he was only with cleveland his rookie year.
boykins? he was with cleveland two of his first four years. it wasn't until his seventh year that he started to develop.


cleveland in the finals last year was a complete embarrassment. that was like massillon playing c.v.c.a in football

yeah, but at least they made it. who's your team again? cleveland simply lost to a better team. i'd rather get swept in the finals then not make it.

you seem like some really bitter guy. too bad your bitterness interferes with your reasoning ability.

the fact that you try to rip on a team that made it to the nba finals is comical.....but not nearly as comical as some of your ridiculous assertions.

[werperry]

Mr. "Empty Pants" is a great screen name. i wonder why.... :dance:

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

well, in the past 50 years the cavs have won the eastern division, the indians have won a couple of penants. i guess they haven't won anything, though.

so who are your teams? let me guess.....san antonio, st. louis, and indy.

i`m a st louis cardinals fan all my life. before i hear any cracks about yeah right, i was following them since 1977 when i was a kid, i was a fan when we got ozzie smith from san diego, wille mcgee and so on.

although we don`t have an nba team really have no rooting intrest in the nba, i just like to watch good ball.

when the the football team came back under the rams we won a super bowl in a short period of time.

i don`t follow hockey so the blues don`t mean much to me.

my point is: cleveland never wins squat but yet their fans settle for mediocrity. "we`re happy to just be there" it`s a complete joke. granted i couldn`t imagine being a fan of cleveland sports teams. the agony and heartbreak must be unreal but you cleveland fans are the bitter ones, not i. you are so accustomed to losing that even if you make a deep run in the playoffs, you`re mindset is "you`re just happy to be there and there is always next year". jusdt like in your response to me with, cavs got to the finals and indians won a few pennants, lmao. that about sums it all up.

ps: there`s the yankees in the a.l. and the cardinals in the n.l.. the two teams with more world titles than anyone. maybe gilbert can move the cavs to st.louis like modell did with the browns. we`ll gladly take another title after we get rid of all the dead weight.

[npaflas]

Well here is another guy that lives in Ohio and roots for everybody but Ohio. Well what is the world comming to. Heck i am in Georgia and root for all the Cleveland pro teams. And the Braves won there division 14 straight years so what.

[orangeblood]

Mr. "Empty Pants" is a great screen name. i wonder why.... :dance:His knowledge of English grammar is running on EMPTY as well.

[SuperBran]

i`m a st louis cardinals fan all my life. before i hear any cracks about yeah right, i was following them since 1977 when i was a kid, i was a fan when we got ozzie smith from san diego, wille mcgee and so on.

so you say that cleveland's sweep in the finals was embarassing to basketball.........how about the 2004 world series when st. louis sucked it up. i believe they had the best record in baseball and were swept by a wild card team. hmmmmmmm.

although we don`t have an nba team really have no rooting intrest in the nba, i just like to watch good ball.

i think you've proved that you don't know much about the nba.

when the the football team came back under the rams we won a super bowl in a short period of time.

i think you forget that, unlike the browns, when the rams came to st. louis they weren't an expansion team. they had their team intact. the browns, on the other hand, started from scratch. apples to oranges there.

i don`t follow hockey so the blues don`t mean much to me.

probably b/c they haven't won a stanley cup. you must love mediocrity.

my point is: cleveland never wins squat but yet their fans settle for mediocrity. "we`re happy to just be there" it`s a complete joke.[/QUOT]

who's settling? so it's wrong to be happy that you made the finals? i'm sure NO ONE in st. louis was happy to be in the finals in 2004, even though they were swept. i'm sure they didn't celebrate the fact that they made the finals. please.

[QUOTE=MR EMPTY PANTS;65852]you cleveland fans are the bitter ones, not i.

really? perhaps you should re-read some of your posts. you have that "i hate cleveland so much that i'll rip on them every chance that i get" attitude.

you are so accustomed to losing that even if you make a deep run in the playoffs, you`re mindset is "you`re just happy to be there and there is always next year".

it's called being a good fan. you support the team no matter what. obviously you don't know the concept. again, though, you're showing your ignorance by thinking that all cleveland fans just settle.

jusdt like in your response to me with, cavs got to the finals and indians won a few pennants, lmao. that about sums it all up.

uh, president of mensa, i believe that response was directed at the fact that you said that cleveland didn't win anything. read it again.

your posts are ridiculous.

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

when u actually win something in any sport, then you can talk. yes we were swept one year but guess what: "we have 10 world titles, 2nd most in baseball and are present world champs". comparing us being swept to the indians winning a few pennents is a joke.

i`ll take the bet cavs go .500 or worse for any amount u want.

[CarlE]

when u actually win something in any sport, then you can talk. yes we were swept one year but guess what: "we have 10 world titles, 2nd most in baseball and are present world champs". comparing us being swept to the indians winning a few pennents is a joke.

i`ll take the bet cavs go .500 or worse for any amount u want.

Son, YOU didn't get swept in anything. You root for a team in a place you'vre probably never even come close to seeing and now you're ripping Cleveland fans? Go away. You're a hapless loser.

[SuperBran]

when u actually win something in any sport, then you can talk.

like the two world series that the tribe has won? okay, let's talk.

yes we were swept one year but guess what: "we have 10 world titles, 2nd most in baseball and are present world champs". comparing us being swept to the indians winning a few pennents is a joke.

oh, here come the excuses. so when the cavs get swept it's just an embarrassment, even though they overachieved and weren't picked to get to the finals..............but when st. louis gets swept by a wild card team, after having the best record in baseball, then that's okay because you have ten world titles.

nice logic there.

"we have 10 world titles, 2nd most in baseball and are present world champs"

what's with the quotation marks? did YOU suit up for the cardinals? i didn't know they gave rings to armchair athletes.

you lose respect with every post.

[longtimefirsttime]

It's not looking good for the Cavs at the moment. Camp opens soon and Andy and Sasha are absent without contracts. Eric Snow is having knee surgery. And Damon Jones is already whining and crying.

[longtimefirsttime]

"Two critical Cavs regulars from last year, Sasha Pavlovic and Anderson Varejao, are not in camp. Neither man is believed to even be in the United States. They can't practice because they have no contracts. LeBron James has been outspoken about the missing duo. He wants them in camp. And James tends to get what he wants. The sides are very far apart in both instances, with the usual threats coming from the agents that the players will play overseas if nothing can be worked out. The Cavs are holding firm."
-Boston Globe

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

like i said before, any takers on that bet? cavs go .500 or worse and wont sniff the playoffs.

[proud to be]

like i said before, any takers on that bet? cavs go .500 or worse and wont sniff the playoffs.

Worse than .500??? In the Eastern Conference???
PM me with your wager amount. I'd love to take your money!!

Put your money where your mouth is or SHUT UP!

[SuperBran]

cleveland sports teams are an absolute joke......................cleveland fans famous last words "there`s always next year"

let's see....

football:
cleveland - 2-3
st. louis - 0-5

baseball
cleveland - 96-66, division title, americal league championship series
st. louis - 78-84, sitting at home

basketball
cleveland - nba finals

hockey
st. louis - 34-35-13

if cleveland is a joke, what's st. louis? LOL.

[proud to be]

like i said before, any takers on that bet? cavs go .500 or worse and wont sniff the playoffs.

Still waiting on your answer Empty Head, (errrrrr Pants, not sure which one of those is worse)

Check your PM's and MAN UP........ otherwise SHUT UP!!