WWE wrestler Chris Benoit found dead

[DAWGH8R]

What is this doing under sports?

Chris was a professional wrestler, thus it is under college and pro sports. What section would you put it in ???

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[ChronicTiger]

Chris was a professional wrestler, thus it is under college and pro sports. What section would you put it in ???

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If we had a drama section that would be best suited for this type of scripted entertainmet. I would file it under General given the choices. I feel sorry for this guys family. What a sad story. Someone needs to regulate these thespians because from what I have read thats the 27th actor to die in the last 10 years. These dudes are not healthy.

[CarlE]

If we had a drama section that would be best suited for this type of scripted entertainmet. I would file it under General given the choices. I feel sorry for this guys family. What a sad story. Someone needs to regulate these thespians because from what I have read thats the 27th actor to die in the last 10 years. These dudes are not healthy.

Chronic, you will be getting a bill from me for a new laptop. I just spit coffee up all over mine. LOL

[crackerman]

Thank you DR. :doh:

Ohhh Im sorry...how bout all the other murderer's in this world. My god, ANYTIME an athlete in general dies or commits a crime, to the media and many ignorant people steroids are the cause. Hell look at any athletes death including Korey Stringer...its the first thing that people say. Hey Bobby Cutts is a put together guy, why not test him for steroids. It gets old being the same old, same old when it comes to wrestling and steroids. What Benoit did was awful. But if you have done any research on steroids, you would know that "roid rages" last about 3 to 5 minutes. They dont last long enough to tie someone up by their feet and hands then get something to choke the person with then strangle them. Then again the next day, kill your son. Then the next day hang yourself. Lets enter Benoit in the Guiness book of world records for having a "roid rage" for 2,480 minutes longer than usual.

5 deaths within the wrestling business have been attributed to steroids. out of the 10,000 or so wrestlers worldwide and probably 50,000 in the time those guys died. not every wrestler takes steroids, and not everyone who takes steroids dies.

If you follow wrestling, then you know John Cena and Shelton Benjamin. Those two have never touched a steroid in their lives and look how big they are. Go to an all-natural body-building show and you will see guys who get great build by busting their asses. Just because the everyday man doesnt get a great build sitting on the couch and playing whiffleball in the back yard doesnt give anyone the right to jump to conclusions on anyone.

With wrestling its like anything else entertainment wise. The biggest problem is the schedule and pills. As a wrestler you can do two things...you can finish your show and go party...or you can go back to your room and watch tv. there are groups that do both. Sure wrestlers might die at a rate of 7 times more than another group. I wouldnt expect it any other way and here are legit reasons why:

1) On the road about 250-300 times a year if on WWE main roster including personal appearances. For example, in the past year, John Cena bought a home in Florida. If he is lucky, he is at home 3 days a month.

2) Typical work schedule for a WWE wrestler on teh Raw roster:
Friday morning fly to city where House show is. Find a gym, workout, eat, go to building, leave building around 11:30 drive to next town, check into Hotel around 2:30 am. Go to bed.
Saturday moring, wake up, eat breakfast. Go to the gym, tan, grab lunch. Go to the building. Wrestle, and leave building around 11:30 drive to next town, same as before.
Sunday Morning, if not a pay per view, follow same schedule as Saturday.
Monday Morning, wake up, eat breakfast, go to the gym, workout, tan and HAVE to be at the building by noon. Stay at building all day unless you have personal appearance. Show starts at 7:45 for dark matches with raw going live from 9-11. Leave building around midnight, depending who you are driving with, find something to eat, go to hotel
Tuesday morning, wake up around 6 for a flight around 8 to go home unless you are being sent somehwere to do personal appearance, tv shows, raio shows, etc.

This schedule is the same for smackdown but use Sat, Sun, Mon for house shows with Smackdown taping on Tuesday.

3) Very simple why wrestlers in fact take steroid and pain pills and other kinds of pills. Steroids are not just used for muscle development. they are also used for joint pain relief, and for healing of muscles and injuries. Sleeping pills are common because as you can see by the schedule, they really do not have much time to sleep. Pain pills are so that you can sleep and to try to get through the day pain free.
Why? They do this to ensure their spots. A wrestlers downside guarantee is not that much in most cases. Where wrestlers make their money is on ppv's merchandise and house shows. Its actually kind of wierd, a wrestler doesnt make much for doing raw or smackdown, that is in their contract. A WWE wrestler would actually make more money working a house show (a house show is a show that is non-televised) in Canton in front of 2,500 people than he would working Monday Night raw in front of 22,000 at the Q. If your not on the road and you are hurt, your making no money on house shows....thus you are not on the ppvs....thus nobody has a reason to buy your merchandise.

Probably way more than anyone wanted to know about the wrestling business, it just gets old hearing the steroid thing all the time. This wasnt an act of "roid rage", this was cold-blooded murder. Let's not get the two confused.

[SuperBran]

from the NIH

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/Steroids.html

"Scientific research also shows that aggression and other psychiatric side effects may result from abuse of anabolic steroids. Many users report feeling good about themselves while on anabolic steroids, but researchers report that extreme mood swings also can occur, including manic-like symptoms leading to violence. Depression often is seen when the drugs are stopped and may contribute to dependence on anabolic steroids. Researchers report also that users may suffer from paranoid jealousy, extreme irritability, delusions, and impaired judgment stemming from feelings of invincibility.1"

the cite above is to:
1 Pope, H.G., and Katz, D.L. Affective and psychotic symptoms associated with anabolic steroid use. American Journal of Psychiatry 145(4):487-490, 1988.

[crackerman]

and caffeine and nicotine has the same effect if you study it

[SuperBran]

and caffeine and nicotine has the same effect if you study it

and how many articles have you read about murders and violence that occurred due to someone being hooked on caffeine and nicotine?

the point of my last post is that steroids most certainly have caused this whole situation.

[crackerman]

My biggest problem with this case is the authorities in Georgia. They have dropped the ball on this big time by trying to get their 15 minutes of fame. they have changed their theories about 10 times. 1st they were killed sat, sun and Monday...then it was friday, saturday, sunday.

then it was she was strangled by an extension cord. then it was she was bound by her feet and "he thinks" her hands. Wait...are you serious?...you're the DA and you're not sure if her hands were bound. then it was she was strangled with either a cable tv wire or a phone cord.

Then the son. First it was a pillow...then a plastic bag....then it was done by hands....and now they are saying he was put in a choke hold from behind...aka a sleeperhold... Are you serious? If Benoit wasnt a wrestler, would a DA actually say that the kid was put out by a sleeprhold? This is my problem with the case. they wanted their 15 minutes of fame and started blabbing before anything was truly known. Hell the autopsies werent even done yet. God Bless the souls of Nancy and Daniel, but the DA and authorities in this one are awful.

[crackerman]

and how many articles have you read about murders and violence that occurred due to someone being hooked on caffeine and nicotine?

the point of my last post is that steroids most certainly have caused this whole situation.

Ok, name me another murder case where they assumed that the murderer was on steroids. Dont go google it either, off the top of your head. I bet you cant name any. Chris drank a lot of coffee as well...about 2 pots of coffee a day, that is a FACT, maybe they should look into that.

[SuperBran]

forget the DA, and let's not be distracted by the fact that benoit should rot for doing such a horrible thing. it doesn't matter what the DA thinks....it still doesn't take away from what benoit did. they're just trying to figure out what's going on. saying that a sleeperhold might have been used won't hurt the wwe......it's the steroid issue that will hurt them.

frankly, it doesn't matter how he killed him...it's the fact that he did kill him. whether he strangled them, smothered them, or gave them a piledriver, the fact remains that benoit was a sick man.

[SuperBran]

Ok, name me another murder case where they assumed that the murderer was on steroids. Dont go google it either, off the top of your head. I bet you cant name any. Chris drank a lot of coffee as well...about 2 pots of coffee a day, that is a FACT, maybe they should look into that.

if memory serves me correctly, craig titus.

no one's assuming that benoit killed them b/c of the steroids he took....that's just a possible explanation.

[SuperBran]

Ok, name me another murder case where they assumed that the murderer was on steroids. Dont go google it either, off the top of your head. I bet you cant name any. Chris drank a lot of coffee as well...about 2 pots of coffee a day, that is a FACT, maybe they should look into that.


so you're saying that coffee has been researched and found to produce the same emotional/mental side effects as steroids?

please provide a citation.

i'm NOT saying that steroids caused benoit to kill his family and himself. what i'm trying to show is that you absolutely cannot state that steroids had NO role.

[austinsm11]

they wanted their 15 minutes of fame and started blabbing before anything was truly known.

Thank goodness this didn't happen with Cutts. The investigators involved have done a great job of keeping quiet while gathering the evidence.

[crackerman]

no one's assuming that benoit killed them b/c of the steroids he took....that's just a possible explanation.

just cnn, foxnews, espn, sportsillustrated, and about 90% of America

[crackerman]

Yet 2 more twists in the Benoit story as per foxnews.com (Stanford, Conn. is the home of WWE offices):

An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned.

Employees at Wikipedia.org said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EDT.

The posting reads: “Chris Benoit was replaced by [[Johnny Nitro]] for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.” According to a Wikipedia.org report published after FOXNews.com made inquiries, the edit was reversed just under one hour later with the comment:

"Need a reliable source. Saying that his wife died is a pretty big statement, you need to back it up with something."

The posting apparently was made in reference to Benoit's scheduled appearance on Sunday night at an Extreme Championship Wrestling event in Texas.

An employee from Wikipedia.org told FOXNews.com that he called and left a message with investigative authorities in Fayetteville, Ga., at around 11 a.m. EDT on Tuesday, after the posting was brought to the attention of the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based Web site.

“I chat with other editors on IRC — Internet relay chat — and somebody pointed it out to me on a relay chat and that it came from a Stamford connection, and that it took place at midnight Eastern Standard Time on Monday morning,” said Wikipedia.org volunteer coordinator Cary Bass. “I called and left a message with the police department.”

The computer-generated time and date stamp of the Benoit entry are listed as 4:01, 25 June 2007. Wikipedia.org lists its entries according to Universal Time, also known as Greenwich Mean Time.

Further investigation, according to Wikipedia.com, shows that one hour after the first edit reversion, another anonymous edit by 125.63.148.173 using unwiredAustralia.com.au, a wireless Internet service provider, was made adding about the aforementioned personal issues: "which according to several pro wrestling websites is attributed to the passing of Benoit's wife, Nancy."

That edit was reverted less than 20 minutes later, with the following comment: "Saying 'several pro wrestling websites' is still not reliable information." The second edit was made by a computer in Australia from a wireless network, according to Wikipedia.org.

A message left by FOXNews.com with Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department was not immediately returned.

Investigators so far have ruled the Benoit killings as a double homicide-suicide.

Wikipedia.org claims to be one of the largest reference Web sites, and is written collaboratively by users from around the world. Approved users can make submissions and change entries that are posted on the site almost immediately. Bass said the site is constantly monitored to correct inaccuracies.

Bass said when there is a high-profile case, such as the Benoit killlings, Wikipedia.org limits postings to registered users, which is now indicated at the top of the Benoit entry. According to the listed history on the Benoit entry, the computer used to post the 12:01 a.m. entry had a Stamford, Conn., Internet Protocol — or IP — address, a numeric designation that is assigned to every computer with an Internet connection, and that same address has been used to post about a dozen other messages on the site, dating back to May 16, 2007.

In related news, FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan — ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Click here to read more about the death of Sherri Martel.

Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother’s home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes.

[SuperBran]

just cnn, foxnews, espn, sportsillustrated, and about 90% of America

from cnn:

"The discovery of anabolic steroids in pro-wrestler Chris Benoit's home has raised speculation that the performance-enhancing drugs may be linked to his death and the killings of his wife and young son.........But authorities were still waiting on toxicology reports, which could take several weeks, to determine what, if any, medication was found in the bodies.......CNN Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta said Wednesday that it may never be known whether the deaths were linked to steroids or so-called "roid-rage.""

yep, sounds like CNN is 100% certain.

so you can speculate and state that steroids played NO part, but people aren't permitted to speculate as well?

[crackerman]

ohh your right, I apologize, I should of said reporters of cnn, foxnews, espn, and sportsillustrated.

[SuperBran]

ohh your right, I apologize, I should of said reporters of cnn, foxnews, espn, and sportsillustrated.

then please post a link to where someone has said that steroids caused (and not MAY have caused) this whole ordeal. i've yet to hear anyone state that steroids definitely was the cause. the only reporters that i've heard have only stated that it's possible.

again, if wwe people can speculate, why can't anyone else?

[crackerman]

when shows start off with his picture with the title "Roid Rage", I would say that is a bit of assumption.

[SuperBran]

when shows start off with his picture with the title "Roid Rage", I would say that is a bit of assumption.

perhaps people should then watch the show and listen when they say that steroids MIGHT have been the cause.

[SuperBran]

here's what i don't get....

i've read how some have said that benoit was a good guy and how he loved his family. however, this is the same guy that had a protective order granted against him, which read (in part): "...lost his temper and threatened to strike the petitioner and cause extensive damage to the home and personal belongings of the parties, including furniture and furnishings. Petitioner is in reasonable fear for petitioner’s own safety and that of the minor child."

does that sound like a good guy who loves his family? if steroids played no part in this murder-suicide, then perhaps benoit wasn't such a good guy afterall.

[longtimefirsttime]

5 deaths within the wrestling business have been attributed to steroids. out of the 10,000 or so wrestlers worldwide and probably 50,000 in the time those guys died. not every wrestler takes steroids, and not everyone who takes steroids dies.


I understand that your knowledgeable about the business. But just because 5 deaths can be DIRECTLY linked to steroids, it doesn't mean that steroids didn't play a part in countless other deaths.

Look at a few names. I could add more. While not all can be linked directly to steroids, you will see a common theme (drug use and young people dying of heart attacks).

Louie Spicoli
Louie Spicoli has taken a large quantity of the drug Soma and large quantities of alcohol. It was rumored he died of a heart attack but the actual cause of death was suffocation on his own vomit.

Brian Pillman
Brian Pillman died of a heart attack. Even though it's rumored to be caused by use of drugs and alcohol Pillman's death was actually caused by a heart condition that was not detected. He died peacefully in his sleep in his hotel room the day of WWF's Badd Blood ppv.

Ravishing Rick Rude
Rick Rude died of a heart attack on April 20, 1999. A bottle of prescription pills(for his bad back) was found by his side and it's rumored that he had overdosed on them. He was 40 years old.

The Renegade
The Renegade whose real name is Rick Williams committed suicide by shooting himself in 1999. Williams had been recently released from WCW. When Williams first went to WCW he was given a huge push but soon after he dropped off a WCW television and Williams never could handle it.

Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig
Curt Hennig was found dead in his hotel room on February 10th, 2003 in Tampa, Florida. Currently, details surrounding the death are not known at this time but anything alcohol or drug related isn't expected to be the cause of the death.

The British Bulldog
Davey Boy Smith, better known to many as "The British Bulldog" passed away on May 17, 2002. Smith suffered a heart attack and was only 39 years old at the time of his death.

Road Warrior Hawk
On October 19, 2003, at the age of 46, Micheal Hegstrand died of a heart attack. Hegstrand was moving into a new house with his wife, and went to rest after complaining about chest pains. Hegstrand never woke up.

Crash Holly
On November 6, 2003, at the age of 34, Michael Lockwood (known to wrestling fans as Crash Holly in WWE & Mad Mikey in TNA) was found dead in the home of former ECW & current WWE star Steven Richards' house. Lockwood was found face down in a pool of his own vomit and blood, with choking ruled as the possible cause of death. It is believed Lockwood overdosed on over 90 pills of Carisoprodol after an empty bottle was discovered by police authorities.

The Wall/Malice
On December 5, 2003, at the age of 36, Jerry Tuite (known to wrestling fans as The Wall in WCW & Malice in TNA) was found dead in his hotel by wrestlers Nosawa and La Parka while on an overseas tour with All Japan. The cause of death was ruled a sudden heart attack.

Hercules Hernandez
On March 6, 2004, at the age of 47, Raymond Fernandez (known to wrestling fans as Hercules Hernandez in the then WWF) was found dead at his home in Tampa, Florida as a result of a heart attack.

Big Bossman
On September 22, 2004, at the age of 42, Ray Traylor (known to wrestling fans as Big Bossman in the WWF/WWE) was found dead at his home as a result of a massive heart attack

Eddie Guerrero
On November 13, 2005, at the age of 38, Eddie Guerrero was found dead in his hotel room in Minneapolis, Minnesota where he was scheduled to take part in WWE's big SuperShow TV taping for both RAW and SmackDown. Eddie was found with a toothbrush in his mouth near the bathroom area of the hotel room. Cause of death was ruled as a heart failure. Guerrero was a top star with WWE at the time and played a very strong role on the company's SmackDown brand.




Look at this article from 2004:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2004-03-12-pro-wrestling_x.htm
"Yet their deaths underscore the troubling fact that despite some attempts to clean up an industry sold on size, stamina and theatrics, wrestlers die young at a staggering rate. Since 1997, about 1,000 wrestlers 45 and younger have worked on pro wrestling circuits worldwide, wrestling officials estimate. USA TODAY's examination of medical documents, autopsies and police reports, along with interviews with family members and news accounts, shows that at least 65 wrestlers died in that time, 25 from heart attacks or other coronary problems — an extraordinarily high rate for people that young, medical officials say. Many had enlarged hearts."

How many in pro wrestling use steroids, growth hormones or other controlled substances? It's hard to say. But it's a problem that needs to be addressed. And not by some facade of a testing system. Vince McMahon looked scared during his appearance on the "Today" show. He should be. He's been through this before. He knows there's a giant "bullseye" on his back.

[longtimefirsttime]

From prowrestling.com:

"The Fox News Channel is now reporting on the death of former WWE manager Sherri Martel. It's currently a front page headline on their website, with a big graphic posted as well. Furthermore, they just mentioned the story on Studio B With Shepard Smith. There doesn't appear to be any new details regarding her death, although they are mentioning that there was a backstage incident involving Martel and the then-Nancy Sullivan in early 1996. Reports of the incident say that an argument between the two escalated with Martel spitting on Nancy Sullivan. Martel reportedly was later fired. Fox News is getting all this information from the Pro Wrestling Torch, which is what they were reporting at the time. While that incident may have happened, in actuality, according to Dave Meltzer is she was let go by WCW in early 1996 because she "showed up in condition to work" at a TV taping. That also explains why her feud with Madusa, who crashed Sherri's "wedding" with Col. Robert Parker, was suddenly cut off. In July 1996, Sherri was brought back to manage Harlem Heat again, but she was let go again a year later for reasons undisclosed. Fox News is also saying that Kevin Sullivan, then married to Nancy, tried to pair Martel up with Ric Flair as a play on the Nicole Brown/O.J. Simpson story at the time. That seems to be incorrect as Sherri herself said during her WWE Hall of Fame induction last year that she was going to be paired up with Ron Simmons. She said the storyline was nixed by the people at Turner because it would have been too controversial."

[longtimefirsttime]

Yet 2 more twists in the Benoit story as per foxnews.com (Stanford, Conn. is the home of WWE offices):

An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned.

Employees at Wikipedia.org said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EDT.

The posting reads: “Chris Benoit was replaced by [[Johnny Nitro]] for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.” According to a Wikipedia.org report published after FOXNews.com made inquiries, the edit was reversed just under one hour later with the comment:

"Need a reliable source. Saying that his wife died is a pretty big statement, you need to back it up with something."

The posting apparently was made in reference to Benoit's scheduled appearance on Sunday night at an Extreme Championship Wrestling event in Texas.

An employee from Wikipedia.org told FOXNews.com that he called and left a message with investigative authorities in Fayetteville, Ga., at around 11 a.m. EDT on Tuesday, after the posting was brought to the attention of the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based Web site.

“I chat with other editors on IRC — Internet relay chat — and somebody pointed it out to me on a relay chat and that it came from a Stamford connection, and that it took place at midnight Eastern Standard Time on Monday morning,” said Wikipedia.org volunteer coordinator Cary Bass. “I called and left a message with the police department.”

The computer-generated time and date stamp of the Benoit entry are listed as 4:01, 25 June 2007. Wikipedia.org lists its entries according to Universal Time, also known as Greenwich Mean Time.

Further investigation, according to Wikipedia.com, shows that one hour after the first edit reversion, another anonymous edit by 125.63.148.173 using unwiredAustralia.com.au, a wireless Internet service provider, was made adding about the aforementioned personal issues: "which according to several pro wrestling websites is attributed to the passing of Benoit's wife, Nancy."

That edit was reverted less than 20 minutes later, with the following comment: "Saying 'several pro wrestling websites' is still not reliable information." The second edit was made by a computer in Australia from a wireless network, according to Wikipedia.org.

A message left by FOXNews.com with Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department was not immediately returned.

Investigators so far have ruled the Benoit killings as a double homicide-suicide.

Wikipedia.org claims to be one of the largest reference Web sites, and is written collaboratively by users from around the world. Approved users can make submissions and change entries that are posted on the site almost immediately. Bass said the site is constantly monitored to correct inaccuracies.

Bass said when there is a high-profile case, such as the Benoit killlings, Wikipedia.org limits postings to registered users, which is now indicated at the top of the Benoit entry. According to the listed history on the Benoit entry, the computer used to post the 12:01 a.m. entry had a Stamford, Conn., Internet Protocol — or IP — address, a numeric designation that is assigned to every computer with an Internet connection, and that same address has been used to post about a dozen other messages on the site, dating back to May 16, 2007.

In related news, FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan — ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Click here to read more about the death of Sherri Martel.

Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother’s home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes.

From prowrestling.com
"Fox News is reporting that an anonymous user out of Stamford, CT edited Chris Benoit's entry on Wikipedia to feature the comments, "However, Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy." The comments led to Wikipedia volunteers contacting Fayetteville, Georgia authorities.

However, the I.P. address in question also made a series of other edits to different entries, including former WWE Diva Stacy Keibler, WWE star Chavo Guerrero, NBA player Ron Artest and the HBO series The Sopranos. Many of the edits were misspelled or explicit in nature, leading one to believe that the postings were made by a hoaxer. You can read this person's past edits here.

Even though the IP address is being traced back to Stamford, CT, it's also entirely conceivable that the user was concealing his true IP address. One person who knows a lot about internet technology said, "They have software out there that you install on your computer that will change your IP address and location or origin that people will see on the Internet. IP spoofing is a little more technical so with this user, based on the grammar, looks to be someone young using a software program of that nature."

More than likely, this person made a wild guess regarding the Benoit situation at the time, and this person turned out to be right."

[longtimefirsttime]

"WSB-TV Channel 2 has obtained a photograph of a a smiling Chris Benoit at his doctor's office Friday afternoon just hours before he went home and killed his wife and son and then committed suicide."

He's smiling in the photo.

[longtimefirsttime]

"Stone Cold" Steve Austin's ex-wife talks about some of the negatives in pro wrestling:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?062807/062807_hc_marshall&Hannity_Colmes&Inside%20WWE&acc&US&-1&News&327&&&col

Wikipedia's founder explains how Nancy Benoit's death was reported on the web before cops found bodies in her home:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?062807/062807_greta_wales&On_the_Record&WWE%20Mystery&WWE%20Mystery&US&-1&News&282&&&col

[crackerman]

SuperBran,
You say they only say that steroids "might of been the cause". Kinda weird that the DA didnt release until last night that they also found 10 empty beer cans in the living room and also an empty bottle of wine near Benoit's body. Kind of ironic that they mention the steroids they find on the first day but do not mention the alcohol until 4 days later.

LTFT,
Martel died 2 weeks ago. It got no news coverange and nobody gave a $hit about her death except the wrestling business until Benoit did what he did. the altercation between Martel and Nancy was over the fact that Martel was sleeping with Sullivan behind Nancy's back for years. In most cases That could raise eyebrows towards Sullivan as his ex-wife and his former lover both died within weeks of each other. In fact when it was first revealed that the three were found dead, before anything else was released, i spoke to three people in the business that day who said they would put money on it that if it was a triple homocide Sullivan did it.

Most of the deaths that you listed were the direct cause of pills and/or mixing pills with alcohol. If you read my long post, I said that is the bigger problem in the WWE, the pills not the steroids.

My personal belief on the wikipedia thing is that someone knew. I dont care what they say but for someone to randomly "guess" that she died is a joke.

I watched Debra's interview last night and it made me chuckle. She was married to Steve McMichael, who was known to have many addictions. Then she divorced him and jumped to Austin, who just happened to be the biggest money maker int eh history of the business. Yes, even more than Hogan. She has enough issues of her own. Debra was right along with both Steve's doing the same things, now she wants to play the pity card.

[SuperBran]

SuperBran,
You say they only say that steroids "might of been the cause". Kinda weird that the DA didnt release until last night that they also found 10 empty beer cans in the living room and also an empty bottle of wine near Benoit's body. Kind of ironic that they mention the steroids they find on the first day but do not mention the alcohol until 4 days later.



kinda weird that the wwe was so fast to point out that they are absolutely, 100% sure that steroids played no role in the matter.

the bottom line is that no one has said that steroids were the cause. if people want to speculate, they will speculate. again, if the wwe can say steroids were no factor, then people can say that steroids could be a factor.

[crackerman]

Here is my point. Every damn newscast has "speculated" that steroids were involved. You know how America works..they hear that, they think that and they believe that. Sure Vince was quick to come out and say that but why did he? Because the media had already started to bring it up as per the DA's statement and the WWE is a publicly traded company now. Since Benoits death and the stock price has come down, Vince has already lost $21 Million from the decreased stock value, yes 21 MILLION dollars. he is trying to protect his business, his family and his wrestling family. Everyone already speculated on the high steroid usage in the WWE before this happened. I mean look at this site alone and anytime wrestling gets brought up (usually by 006, yet he hasnt posted on this thread), several people make steroid references. I can't fault Vince for what he did. the only thing that I wish he would of done was at the beginning of ECW on Tuesday was apologize for the tribute show. he didnt aplogize, just said they didnt know the facts.

[crackerman]

Also, we dont really need to wait for the toxology reports to come back, he was on the gas. No if and or buts about it, even I am not stupid. His Dr. already said that he prescribed it to him. But whether that was the cause of this, is what I debate, I dont think it was the cause.

I said it 3 days ago, this might be the demise of the WWE.

Here is the biggest story related to wrestling and all pro sports and just America in general. Dr's willingly (sp) write prescriptions freely to a ton of people and not just athletes. Pain pills, steroids, sleeping pills. Anyone can get them by just saying they are having problems. The Dr. in this case will be ok probably on the prescribing steroids alone because I guarantee you that Chris had blood drawn and the bloodwork paperwork will show that he had low levels of testosterone. This is how many doctors got away with it recently during all the steroid cases. the only ones who got in trouble were the ones who did not do see the patients personally. Such as person A lives in Georgia and has a doctor in Florida. Person A goes and has blood work done in Georgia and has it sent to the Dr. in Fla. Dr in Fla then writes a prescription blindly without ever seeing the person in person. There are so many ways around it, it is not even funny. This Dr. will be able to cover himself on the pain pills and sleeping pills as well from Benoits neck surgery years ago.

[crackerman]

And to prove my point on Debra's comments and everyone else coming out of the woodwork and doing interviews, Joanie Lauer...aka Chyna....denied ever doing steroids on the Jim Rome show. Like I said, you can only beleive about half of what you hear.

[Banks]

And to prove my point on Debra's comments and everyone else coming out of the woodwork and doing interviews, Joanie Lauer...aka Chyna.....

Seen Chyna on Greta last night, that girl can't even put a sentence together, she is on something!

[Banks]

Seen Chyna on Greta last night, that girl can't even put a sentence together, she is on something!

After rereading my post, I won't even tell you the vision I have of Chyna on Greta!

[DAWGH8R]

Chyna was done in life the minute she pissed off Vince. Since then, everytime I've seen her, she seems drunk or on pills. playboy was her swan song. She's been washed up for years now.

How could she throw her career away over greed ?????:weightlift:

http://www.pmpnetwork.com/joanie_laurer/chyna2.jpg

[longtimefirsttime]

SuperBran,
Martel died 2 weeks ago. It got no news coverange and nobody gave a $hit about her death except the wrestling business until Benoit did what he did. the altercation between Martel and Nancy was over the fact that Martel was sleeping with Sullivan behind Nancy's back for years. In most cases That could raise eyebrows towards Sullivan as his ex-wife and his former lover both died within weeks of each other. In fact when it was first revealed that the three were found dead, before anything else was released, i spoke to three people in the business that day who said they would put money on it that if it was a triple homocide Sullivan did it.


If Sullivan had some involvement it would be a HUGE media circus. But I doubt that's the case. Do you think Benoit would be overpowered by him? No way. As hard as it is to believe, I suspect Benoit had some ongoing problems that few people knew about. And it culminated in this horrible event. You can tell even his close friends like Bret Hart and Chris Jericho had no clue he was troubled.

I was aware of Martel's death, despite the lack of initial media coverage.

As sad as the story is, it hopefully will finally spur much needed reforms of the steroid and other drug use that is pervasive in professional wrestling.

[longtimefirsttime]

The Wikipedia entry was apparently a ""terrible coincidence."
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13594236/detail.html

[longtimefirsttime]

His brain may be studied for possible signs of concussion-related dementia.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2920925

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Crackerman,

That's Laurer...not Lauer.

[MTigers006]

I'm sorry, But I know I may take heat for this. Even if Chris did this he should be remembered for his career not what he did. This is a horrible thing, But it shouldn't ruin his in ring legacy. I had no idea Chis was troubled. We the fan all didn't. Noone did. I never thought Chris had it in him to do something like this. I feel bad and terrible and if it comes out he really did do this then I hope he gets what is comming to him in hell. Im sorry if I offended anyone, but I whated to comment on this. I think this was a triple homicide set up to look as it did.

LTFT: Sullivan could easily overpower Benoit if the coward attacked him from behind with a blunt object. Maybe I watch too much CSI!

[longtimefirsttime]

LTFT: Sullivan could easily overpower Benoit if the coward attacked him from behind with a blunt object. Maybe I watch too much CSI!

But then wouldn't there be signs of blunt force trauma (maybe I watch too much CSI also)? More will be known when the medical reports come back but investigators must have had a reason to quickly release that this was a double murder suicide.

[longtimefirsttime]

"Scripted storylines don't reveal reasons for Benoit tragedy"
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2922166

[Kamd50]

Remembered for his "career" and not for what he did????????????
For God's sake, he murdered his 7 year old son !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By all means, let's remember OJ Simpson for his career as well, instead of the double murder he committed while we're at it. Or how about Bobby L. Cutts Jr.service as a police officer instead of remembering him for "allegedly" slaying his own offspring's mother and child.
I don't give a damn about someone's "career". How in the hell is that more significant than taking another human being's life? And I don't want to hear that "troubled" crap either. Do you know how many other of thousands of people are equally troubled that DON'T resort to murder?:obiefanfire:

On Judgement Day, the Good Lord isn't going to say "even though you killed your family, you get a free pass into Heaven for being such a great wrestler or football player":wall:

Sorry, 006, the only thing that you were right about in your last post was the part about "taking heat".

[austinsm11]

I'm sorry, But I know I may take heat for this. Even if Chris did this he should be remembered for his career not what he did. This is a horrible thing, But it shouldn't ruin his in ring legacy.

You will take heat for it. That is one of the dumbest things I have heard.

Kamd brings up some excellent points. I guess we shouldn't view OJ as being all that bad.

[DAWGH8R]

Wasn't OJ found INNOCENT in a court of law ??????:hyper:

[CarlE]

Wasn't OJ found INNOCENT in a court of law ??????:hyper:

Yes, Orenthal the double-murdering scumbucket was found innocent by a jury of his peers. However, when the civil suit verdict was announced he was guilty as hell. That should cover the Orenthal controversy.

MTigers006, of ALL the idiotic things you have ever posted; and God knows there have been many, this one absolutely takes the cake. Remember him for his ring legacy? OK then answer me this. How should we remember his wife and son that he brutally murdered. I swear you freaking bozos that follow this fake crap are unbelievable to me.

[MTigers006]

I take it back. I just cant understand what would make a person snap and do something like that that supposedly loves and cherishes his family. How do we even know this is what happened that night? There are many scenarios that could have played out that night. Noone truely know what happened that night untill more evidence comes forward. Even his own family isn't sure what happened that night. Also there are people in this world who could take me, you, or anyone out and make it look like a suicide or murder/suicide. What I was trying to say I will remember him for his performance and not this act untill the evidence says otherwize. I just have difficulty wording things sometimes. Im sorry if I offfended anyone.

[MTigers006]

this is pretty much what I was trying to say in agreement with the lady mentioned in the article:

Benoit told the complete strangers about his friend, and mugged for a picture. Lawrence brought a copy of the photo to the Benoit house on Thursday, along with a hand-written note that she placed near an action figure of Benoit.

"This is what I want to remember," Lawrence says as she stares at the picture. "The guy who was just … the guy next door."



I dont wanna remember him as a monster and for what he did. I cant believe he or anyone could do such a thing.

[Kamd50]

It's called facing reality. Something we all have to do whether we want to or not.

[MTigers006]

Your absolutly right about that KamD. Although there isn't much realistic about Pro Wrestling. I dont follow it as much as I used to but its still fun to watch. I wish this never would have happened.

As CarlE would say, Son life is full of disapointments.

Im disapointed Chris would stoop to do something like this and not just become a murderer, but a mass murderer and kill his wife and son and then take a cowards way out as someone mentioned before. I had a great deal of respect for Chris and his career.

I feel for the Benoit family at this difficult time.

[SuperBran]

Noone truely know what happened that night untill more evidence comes forward.

i know what truly happened. the loser viciously killed his wife and child, and then killed himself.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

MTigers006,

You're another version of me to a degree. You have a sound understanding that you don't make people happy all the time yet like me, you're OK with that along with your thoughts.

It takes a lot to have that kind of demeanor yet I have to hand it to you.

Kamd50,

Intensely, tremendously, awesome, loaded, irresistibly, appealing, nicely hot as the poster you always are. You know...you should have thought of a radio career given your venerable stances.

CarlE,

Someone should have made you a columnist, straight up.

[MTown]

Keno, how come I never get the love? It's always Kamd50 and Carle....I feel slighted!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

MTown,

To answer your question...Kamd50 and CarlE have a fluid swagger to their posts. Kamd50 relies greatly on her passion while CarlE puts his faith and trust in his mastery of brilliance while mixing in force once in a while.

Don't feel slighted. You're one of many people who have given me memories to cherish!

[MTown]

But dude, don't I have a fluid swagger in my posts? Don't I have mastery of brilliance mixed in with some force?

Come on, man...come up with some cool adjectives for me too!

[CarlE]

But dude, don't I have a fluid swagger in my posts? Don't I have mastery of brilliance mixed in with some force?

Come on, man...come up with some cool adjectives for me too!

Um, a bill to repair my laptop is on it's way brother. I just spit freaking water all over it reading this. Fluid swagger with some force mixed in. Good God could a TV show be far behind???? LOL

[Kamd50]

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
Thanks to all 3 of you for giving me a brief moment of laughter on a not-so-very-good day for me:thanx:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

MTown,

Kamd50 and CarlE try to unleash their knockout power early when they get the chance. You are more of a wear em' down late and hit em' with the hammer kind of poster. You also impose your hometown pride on other posters to gain an edge where other posters may not have an advantage (example...see the thread "Browns Open Up The Season With Pittsburgh").

But you don't hesitate to lead with force where needed and that is another one of your assets as a poster (see the Cavs thread and your thoughts on Rasheed Wallace in thread "O-I-C" and your response on him in the "heat of the moment" and "Alright...It's freaking WARREN").

[longtimefirsttime]

A press conference is currently being held. Some medical findings:

The son, Daniel, had elevated levels of Xanax in his system. The medical examiner said it was likely he was sedated before his was killed. There were signs of needle marks but no signs of steroids. Due to decomposition (live cells are needed) it's difficult to ascertain if he had fragile X or other serious medical issues.

Chris Benoit had elevated levels of testosterone in his system. He had NO signs of manufactured steroids in his system. The medical examiner said it could be that he was being treated for a "testicular insufficiency." He also had painkillers in his system that are classified at normal treatment levels.

Nancy Benoit has painkillers in her system at a level associated with normal treatment levels. Tests on her were limited due to the decomposition.

[longtimefirsttime]

This causes several questions...

Can elevated levels of testosterone cause this kind of a rage? Some medical experts say yes some say no.

While it's reportedly common for wrestlers to use testosterone to raise their levels due to prior steroid abuse, was that what Benoit was doing? And is so, for how long?

Prescribed testosterone use has been allowed by the WWE. What changes, if any, will these finding bring?

The doctor, who said the only thing he prescribed Benoit was testosterone, is breathing a big sigh of relief right now.

[austinsm11]

He and his wife both had painkillers in their body?

[longtimefirsttime]

Yes. They were both at one time involved in wrestling. She briefly wrestled and also managed. She had also had a few surgeries.

[CarlE]

One of the wrestling "guys" on yappi posted another explanation for all this. Pretty bizarre, but man in this world ANYTHING is possible. LTFT, why don't you post that one over here.

[SuperBran]

i just heard how they found steroids in his system. his testosterone levels were 10X higher than normal.

[longtimefirsttime]

One of the wrestling "guys" on yappi posted another explanation for all this. Pretty bizarre, but man in this world ANYTHING is possible. LTFT, why don't you post that one over here.

It's one of those conspiracy theories. Because he was so liked by just about all who had ever met/known him, some are having a hard time coming to grips that he could commit such horrible acts. But I've yet to hear one credible thing to prove otherwise. I doubt it will ever be fully known why this happened. But it did.

[longtimefirsttime]

i just heard how they found steroids in his system. his testosterone levels were 10X higher than normal.

He was injecting testosterone. It's not quite the same as anabolic steroids.
His testosterone levels were low. It could be due to prior steroid use (quite possible in the wrestling profession) or, as the medical examiner put it, due to some kind of "testicular insufficiency".

This excerpt from an article from the Canadian National Post sums it up.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/sports/story.html?id=dd6a838e-9732-462c-9e31-8b03530b39aa&k=86156

"The only thing we know for sure is that Benoit bought a lot of steroids. And it is likely safe to assume he consumed some, most or all of them. Reporting on a U.S. attorney's office investigation into a steroids ring, CNN.com reported that Benoit had purchased shipments of anabolic steroids and human growth hormones from his personal doctor, Dr. Phil Astin, who prescribed, on average, a 10-month supply of anabolic steroids every three to four weeks from May 4, 2006, through May 9, 2007.

Did Benoit use all of those steroids? Or did he sell them?

Did the steroids do something to Benoit's mental state that turned him into an irrational killer? Or did he look in the mirror one day, see a 40-year-old man with no sex life ahead of him, perhaps facing a lifetime of liver and/or kidney problems and knowing that, without steroids, he would shrink back into that 165-pounder he never wanted to be?

Or is it possible he had tried to kick the steroids habit, and the resulting depression was so deep and dark that there was only one way to deal with it?

Those questions will never be answered, but one thing we do know for certain is this: just as many of the old Communist bloc athletes -- used as lab rats by government "sport" doctors -- have banded together in ill health to shed light on what happened back in the 1970s, the day will come when an inordinate amount of sprinters, baseball players, cyclists and football stars will begin to break down.

Some will tell their stories then, in hopes of saving a young athlete who might choose the same path. If they'd tell their stories now, they'd save a lot more."

[DAWGH8R]

He's a sick POS, and I'm glad he's dead. Maybe ALL the pill happy, steroid injected "wrestlers" will follow suit and hang theirselves.

Better yet, let em do it on PPV !!

[longtimefirsttime]

Wow.

I'm absolutely not defending the guy. But you can't condemn everyone in that profession but the acts of one (murder/suicide) or even a few (steroids).

[DAWGH8R]

Anyone who ILLEGALLY takes steroids can hang theirselves. It wouldn't bother me. Hang the POS that illegally supplies them too !!

[longtimefirsttime]

"McMahon asked by congressional committee to hand over records"
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2951586