"Former Tiger tabbed as one of the nation’s best"

[longtimefirsttime]

"Former Massillon standout and current Michigan Wolverine Shawn Crable was one of 49 players tabbed as preseason candidates for the 2007 Bronko Nagurski Trophy, given annually by the Football Writers Association of America to the top defensive player in college football."
http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=17478&r=1&Category=2

[Al.]

Congrats and Good Luck to Shawn :thumbsup:

[chap]

Great to hear!

[CarlE]

He's at Michigan. Let's not forget that, OK?

[massillon catholic]

He's at Michigan. Let's not forget that, OK?

Has Clarett not gone to Ohio State the Buckeyes would have had Crable and Prescott Burgess.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

MC! Interesting that you say that. Are you implying that Crable and Burgess had something against Clarett? If so, knowing what I know about the two UM players mentioned, I'm confident Burgess was going to be a Wolverine no matter what (Warren1st will confirm this), and Crable's decision to forego the opportunity to attend OSU had nothing to do with Clarett being a Buckeye.
The week of Crables visit to OSU there was a late surge by both Mike and Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to get him to take a visit to Norman but Shawn was really focusing on UM and OSU. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure Shawn had a visit to PSU scheduled after his trip to OSU and he canceled it.
Also, I was told by a pretty big UM supporter in Tigertown that Shawn wasn't 100% certain of his UM commitment until the last few days leading up to signing day. It would surprise me if his last deciding factor was where Clarett was at that time.

[massillon catholic]

MC! Interesting that you say that. Are you implying that Crable and Burgess had something against Clarett? If so, knowing what I know about the two UM players mentioned, I'm confident Burgess was going to be a Wolverine no matter what (Warren1st will confirm this), and Crable's decision to forego the opportunity to attend OSU had nothing to do with Clarett being a Buckeye.
The week of Crables visit to OSU there was a late surge by both Mike and Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to get him to take a visit to Norman but Shawn was really focusing on UM and OSU. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure Shawn had a visit to PSU scheduled after his trip to OSU and he canceled it.
Also, I was told by a pretty big UM supporter in Tigertown that Shawn wasn't 100% certain of his UM commitment until the last few days leading up to signing day. It would surprise me if his last deciding factor was where Clarett was at that time.

I received my info while at a local watering hole in Warren when we played there. The Warren boosters claimed that Burgess and Clarrett did not get along at all and that Burgess helped in persuading Crable. Of course, this info could be incorrect and I am only reporting what the Warren boosters provided to me.

[austinsm11]

I received my info while at a local watering hole in Warren when we played there. The Warren boosters claimed that Burgess and Clarrett did not get along at all and that Burgess helped in persuading Crable. Of course, this info could be incorrect and I am only reporting what the Warren boosters provided to me.

I thought I remembered something about Clarrett sleeping with Prescott's woman at some point. For some reason I was also thinking that when Burgess visited OSU their was an incident in the weight room. I don't know how much truth there is/was to any of it however.

[massillon catholic]

I thought I remembered something about Clarrett sleeping with Prescott's woman at some point. For some reason I was also thinking that when Burgess visited OSU their was an incident in the weight room. I don't know how much truth there is/was to any of it however.

Not Maurice!

[austinsm11]

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/college-football/18948-michigan-wr-mario-manningham-official-thread-8.html

Yes we did have a chance. Matter of fact Mario would have been a buckeye if it wasnt for Maurice Clarett stealing Prescott Burgess's girlfriend then Precottt would have been a buckeye and so would of Mario. Prescott and Mario are very good friends and both were bigtime buckeye fans. Then Maurice Clarett messed it up. Maurice and Prescott were very good friends until this happened and it looked like we were getting a package deal. Clarett is the reason Prescott and Mario arent here.

[austinsm11]

http://therealests.blogspot.com/2006/09/big-thanks-to-maurice-clarett.html

That's right. Apparently, Mo and Prescott were best friends in high school and dreamt of becoming Buckeyes together. That is until Clarett stole Prescott's girlfriend.

Don't believe us? Check out this quote from Tom Lemming in the Chicago Tribune this summer (dated Aug. 30, 2006, if you would like to look it up:

"The last in-state guy they really wanted but didn't get was (linebacker) Prescott Burgess, who went to Michigan. Why didn't he go to Ohio State? Because Maurice Clarett stole his girlfriend. That's not a rumor; it's true."

[massillon catholic]

http://therealests.blogspot.com/2006/09/big-thanks-to-maurice-clarett.html


If true, that would confirm what I heard from the Warren boosters. At least as far as it relates to Burgess.

[austinsm11]

Sounds like Clarett potentially cost us Burgess and then Crable and Mario from there.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

The story of Burgess and Clarett was interesting at the time, and it's quite possible that Burgess really was a whimp and allowed Clarett to not only "steal" his woman, but prevent him from attending the school that he grew up dreaming about playing for.
As I said, Warren1st knows the real scoop on Burgess and Mario so I'm sure he'll check in with some facts. I'm confident Shawn Crable didn't allow Maurice Clarett make up his mind for him when it came time to choose where he would further his education and play football!

[warren1st]

GREAT news for Shawn!!! He will be a force to be reckoned with this upcoming season.

Prescott Burgess' grandmother, who just recently passed away, wanted him to go to Ann Arbor. She was the driving force in the family. Yes, MC stealing PB's girl probably made it an easy decision for him.

Mario Manningham was Michigan all the way and that's the truth!!::wow:

Btw, that OSU board is way off. Aren't they a friendly bunch?

[LLRose]

Crable is a "player".

I'd love him on the other side of Wimbley for the Browns. Crable is the perfect 3-4 OLB for the pro game. It is a shame he's being wasted playing for Lloyd Cooper.

[warren1st]

Crable is a "player".

It is a shame he's being wasted playing for Lloyd Cooper.

Why don't you ask Shawn if he's being "wasted" playing for Lloyd Carr? Give me a break!!

[austinsm11]

Warren1st,

I've read that Mario was heavily influenced to go to Michigan by Prescott. Do you know if that is true or was Michigan his clear-cut favorite all along?

[warren1st]

While he likes Prescott, he was heavily influenced by his grandfather to go to UM and he truly liked Michigan QB coach, Scot Loeffler, who recruits our area.

[massillon catholic]

Why don't you ask Shawn if he's being "wasted" playing for Lloyd Carr? Give me a break!!

Isn't Lloyd Carr Michigan's John Cooper?

[warren1st]

Isn't Lloyd Carr Michigan's John Cooper?
No, I believe he's 6-6 vs. Ohio State. Cooper was 2-10-1 against Michigan.

[CarlE]

No, I believe he's 6-6 vs. Ohio State. Cooper was 2-10-1 against Michigan.

What's Carr's record against anyone but Cooper. Somehow, you NEVER seem to take that into consideration. I think you should.

[warren1st]

What's Carr's record against anyone but Cooper. Somehow, you NEVER seem to take that into consideration. I think you should.
Ah ha! From your vantage point, I could see why you want me to do that. From mine, I don't think so!! Btw, that will improve this coming November. Mr. Crable, Mr. Manningham
et al will see to that!:no1:

GO BLUE!!:thumbsup:

[warren1st]

Since we're slightly off the subject and you guys like stats, check this out again!!:poke: :poke:

The University of Michigan
Winningest school in college football history (860 wins).
.746 all-time winning percentage (highest in college football).
Highest all-time strength of schedule rating in college football.
11 National Championships: (1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1918, 1923, 1932, 1933, 1947, 1948, 1997)
42 conference championships (more than any school in any single conference).
113 winning seasons (most in college football).
25 undefeated seasons (more than any other Division 1-A school).
1 of only 3 schools with a winning record vs. every Division 1-A conference including independents.
56 game unbeaten streak (2nd longest in college football history).
39 straight years without a losing season (longest ongoing streak in the nation).
32 straight bowl appearances (longest ongoing streak in the nation).
#1 ranking all-time in composite final AP polls (1936-2006).
Longest ongoing streak in the nation without being shut-out (275 games).
Longest ongoing streak in the nation without a loss to a sub .500 team (last loss in 1996).
2nd most points scored & largest delta (points for minus points against) in college football history.
148 First Team All-Americans (18 two-time winners, 2 three-time winners).
32 College Football Hall of Famers.
3 Heisman Trophy Winners: (Tom Harmon 1940, Desmond Howard 1991, Charles Woodson 1997)
75 NFL Pro Bowl participants.
3 Super Bowl MVPs: (Desmond Howard 1997, Tom Brady 2002, 2004)
#1 in attendance every year but one since 1974 (200 straight games with over 100,000 in attendance).
Most televised school in college football history (369 televised games).
"The Victors" is the only fight song inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame.
Best Fight Song: Michigan - Sports Illustrated
Best Helmet in Football: Michigan - ESPN's "End of Century" Special
Best Uniform in Sports: Michigan football - ESPN2's 64 Team Bracket Results
#1 Sports Rivalry: Michigan vs. Ohio State - ESPN's "Top 10 Greatest Sports Rivalries"

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Great list of accomplishments W1st!

I've got a little story for you. One of my area HS coaches is a Michigan native and when he took over the football program 27 years ago he told everyone that "if you're going to win championships you can't have a whimpy fight song".
The teams fight song was that of the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame and "Mr. Championships" decided to change the song to that of the Michigan Wolverines.
To date, inspite of having a multitude of talent that has went on to great college careers, as well as NFL careers, the football team still hasn't won a championship! LOL!

Bottom line....songs don't win championships! :thumbsup:

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Warren1st!

Personally I think the 39 straight years without a losing season is incredible in light of the fact that there's so much talent coming out of HS every year that allows good teams to be competitive with the "great" teams . Especially considering the fact that UM hasn't exactly loaded up with "cupcakes" when scheduling their out of conference opponents.

[warren1st]

Great list of accomplishments W1st!


Bottom line....songs don't win championships! :thumbsup:


I've posted on here before that I believe the Massillon Alma Mater is the very BEST I've ever heard..............:thumbsup:

[TigerswillbeTigers]

LOL! Well thanks alot for that little curse!
Like I said, songs don't win Championships :sad:

[warren1st]

Warren1st!

Personally I think the 39 straight years without a losing season is incredible in light of the fact that there's so much talent coming out of HS every year that allows good teams to be competitive with the "great" teams . Especially considering the fact that UM hasn't exactly loaded up with "cupcakes" when scheduling their out of conference opponents.

Well, to be fair, the 1984 team ended 6-6 but still not a losing season.:doh:

[warren1st]

LOL! Well thanks alot for that little curse!
Like I said, songs don't win Championships :sad:

Just kidding. IMO, Massillon deserved everyone of the 22 State Championships as I saw many of those teams play.:thumbsup:

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Since this thread is about a great former HS player from our area, let me ask you about the status of two great HS players from your area.
What's going on with Brandon Beachum and Dan McCarthy?

[warren1st]

Only guessing but I think Beachum is a lock for OSU. McCarthy could go to OSU, ND, UM or Penn St. but my guess is it will be ND with both UM and tOSU close in the running.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Are McCarthy, Beachum and Zordich all playing for Mooney this season?

[warren1st]

Yes.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I heard one of them was thinking about transferring to Ursuline but I can't remember which one it was.
The 3 of them will make it pretty hard to score on Mooney this year. I'd venture to say there won't be a better team in Ohio this year at the LB and S positions. Anytime you have 3 very athletic D-1 studs on defense it's impressive.

[monte81]

Great things are happening to Shawn and picking UM was not a bad idea for him anyway. Looking back I really think Michigan had the inside track on Shawn for 2 years prior to signing. I talked to him personally one on one many times during the decision process and I KNOW HE TOLD ME that he was going to UM as far back as spring his junior year at Massillon before any official visits. He never backed away from that from day one in our conversations because I asked everytime we talked.

People close to him wanted to think OSU was in the picture more than they really were!

[MTown]

I still don't get why some Massillon people begrudge him for going to Michigan over Ohio State. I was disappointed that he went up north but in the end, what should be important to us is that he got to choose where he wanted to go, and is successful while he's there. Now, when he makes the choice to go there, we can all hope he plays well and has a shot to go pro, but we can also hope he gets knocked on his ass when playing Ohio State.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

MTown,

Crable is going to knock OSU on their awesome, solidified, side. No way he loses this being his senior year!

Remember the 2003 team was in the eye of the storm when their backs were to the wall and they faced pressure. Unflinched, they emerged with a hard-fought 35-21 win over the Buckeyes. And that class had not beaten OSU in their first three years.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

"Crable is going to knock OSU on their awesome, solidified, side" :doh: :stars:

What friggin language are you speaking Keno?

BTW! With all of the key returning starters UM has this year, and the game being in Ann Arbor, you better hope UM beats OSU! If not, all UM fans will need to be on suicide watch!

[MTown]

First of all, I don't see how Michigan is expected to be that good. They lost the majority of their great defense from last year....it's pretty much the same scenario that Ohio State faces on offense. Yes they have Henne, Hart, Manningham, and Long, but without a good defense they'll look just like they did against OSU last year. And, it's funny how you brought up the 2003 Ohio State game...that was the last time Michigan played well in a big game.

When you put the Sweatervest up against LLLLLoyd Carr, you know what the outcome is likely to be....don't ya Keno?

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

MTown,

I judge a team on how well they respond to pressure when they are faced with it. That 2003 Michigan team knew who to turn to as their legacy and pride was on the line.

Take Michigan into the fourth quarter this year and give them a 10-point lead or more and Carr will bring it home this year. Michigan can't afford to lose FOUR straight to Ohio State.

To me...if Michigan loses again, it would be a boldly, intense, terrorizing, crude, heartfelt, awful, sullen, shame.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

So in your estimation all Lloyd Carr needs is a 10 point or more lead going into the 4th quarter and he'll "bring it home"?
Now that's funny!

[MTown]

MTown,

I judge a team on how well they respond to pressure when they are faced with it.

I love this line.

Tell me Keno, how did Michigan respond against Ohio State in 2004, 2005, and 2006? How did they do against USC this past year? How did they do in all their bowl games the last 3 years?

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

TigerswillbeTigers,

JPT had a 10-point lead and he brought home a Big Ten title for Ohio State. I guarantee you if Michigan is up 10 at the start of the fourth...you know it's coming home to Ann Arbor.

Carr will not lose on his home turf. It can't happen. Not with a strong senior class.

[warren1st]

I love this line.

Tell me Keno, how did Michigan respond against Ohio State in 2004, 2005, and 2006? How did they do against USC this past year? How did they do in all their bowl games the last 3 years?

Oh, let the fun begin!!

Btw, Scot Loeffler, UM's QB coach and recruiter in this area said USC was the BEST team UM has faced in a number of years. Ouch!! Most USC players are returning.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

USC is absolutely loaded and with the recruiting classes Pete Caroll has had the last couple of years, along with the transfer of Mitch Mustain QB from Arkansas, they'll be excellent for a while!

[warren1st]

First of all, I don't see how Michigan is expected to be that good. They lost the majority of their great defense from last year....it's pretty much the same scenario that Ohio State faces on offense. Yes they have Henne, Hart, Manningham, and Long, but without a good defense they'll look just like they did against OSU last year. And, it's funny how you brought up the 2003 Ohio State game...that was the last time Michigan played well in a big game.

When you put the Sweatervest up against LLLLLoyd Carr, you know what the outcome is likely to be....don't ya Keno?

MTown - I'll go 6 large Kool-Aids UM handles OSU this year.:weightlift: If not, even I will be calling for Lloyd to hang 'em up.

[longtimefirsttime]

Since we're slightly off the subject and you guys like stats, check this out again!!:poke: :poke:

The University of Michigan
Winningest school in college football history (860 wins).
.746 all-time winning percentage (highest in college football).
Highest all-time strength of schedule rating in college football.
11 National Championships: (1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1918, 1923, 1932, 1933, 1947, 1948, 1997)
42 conference championships (more than any school in any single conference).
113 winning seasons (most in college football).
25 undefeated seasons (more than any other Division 1-A school).
1 of only 3 schools with a winning record vs. every Division 1-A conference including independents.
56 game unbeaten streak (2nd longest in college football history).
39 straight years without a losing season (longest ongoing streak in the nation).
32 straight bowl appearances (longest ongoing streak in the nation).
#1 ranking all-time in composite final AP polls (1936-2006).
Longest ongoing streak in the nation without being shut-out (275 games).
Longest ongoing streak in the nation without a loss to a sub .500 team (last loss in 1996).
2nd most points scored & largest delta (points for minus points against) in college football history.
148 First Team All-Americans (18 two-time winners, 2 three-time winners).
32 College Football Hall of Famers.
3 Heisman Trophy Winners: (Tom Harmon 1940, Desmond Howard 1991, Charles Woodson 1997)
75 NFL Pro Bowl participants.
3 Super Bowl MVPs: (Desmond Howard 1997, Tom Brady 2002, 2004)
#1 in attendance every year but one since 1974 (200 straight games with over 100,000 in attendance).
Most televised school in college football history (369 televised games).
"The Victors" is the only fight song inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame.
Best Fight Song: Michigan - Sports Illustrated
Best Helmet in Football: Michigan - ESPN's "End of Century" Special
Best Uniform in Sports: Michigan football - ESPN2's 64 Team Bracket Results
#1 Sports Rivalry: Michigan vs. Ohio State - ESPN's "Top 10 Greatest Sports Rivalries"

Not bad. But here is today's fun fact.

Days since Michigan's last victory over Ohio State in football: 1304

[warren1st]

USC is absolutely loaded and with the recruiting classes Pete Caroll has had the last couple of years, along with the transfer of Mitch Mustain QB from Arkansas, they'll be excellent for a while!

TWBT - Yes, and a guy who follows ND recruiting told me OSU is lining up, potentially, the greatest class of OLs ever and they're just entering 12th grade!:cry:

[warren1st]

Not bad. But here is today's fun fact.

Days since Michigan's last victory over Ohio State in football: 1304
...............And, that will end in 152 days. Mark it down!!

[longtimefirsttime]

...............And, that will end in 152 days. Mark it down!!

I have it marked in the calendar......as a "W". :wink:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

longtimefirsttime,

Every Ohio State fan is in trouble. I promise you Michigan will come out swinging and defending their pride when the two teams meet.

1,304 days you claim? It will end...I don't know when but it will sooner or later.

GO BLUE!

P.S. Nice statistics on Michigan! I'm impressed!!

[MTown]

TWBT - Yes, and a guy who follows ND recruiting told me OSU is lining up, potentially, the greatest class of OLs ever and they're just entering 12th grade!:cry:

Yes, you heard that correctly. I try to keep up with OSU recruiting and we are landing every single OL prospect we've gone after. This past year was a little thin but we are loading up on this next class.

[MTown]

Every Ohio State fan is in trouble. I promise you Michigan will come out swinging and defending their pride when the two teams meet.



If that's your "guaranteed lock" prediction, then OSU has it all but locked up.

Face it Keno, all you have is your blind faith (which is not a bad thing). You cannot reasonably come up with anything that would conclude that Wish-again is a lock to beat Ohio State. At some point the pendulum will swing, but right now we own you.

And W1...I'll take that wager.

[warren1st]

And W1...I'll take that wager.

You're on and look for Manningham to wear #1 this season.

[MTown]

He should....he's a good receiver.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Mario Cashmere Manningham is my hero!

Oh and Warren1st...you should be proud that he wore the black and gold for Warren Harding High School.

[crackerman]

Mario Cashmere Manningham is my hero!

Oh and Warren1st...you should be proud that he wore the black and gold for Warren Harding High School.

2 very bad sentences. I should expect it from a McK grad though. I'm just glad that Mount Union taught you how to use spell check because I know with that CCS education, you didn't spell that all on your own.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Crackerman,

I'm not the one to make others happy all the time and even though your post does say "I should expect it from a McK grad", I'm perfectly OK with that and respect your thoughts.

If you want to take that swipe at me, that is your every right. I might not like it but I do respect you for who you are and where you come from.

GO WOLVERINES!

[monte81]

Yes, you heard that correctly. I try to keep up with OSU recruiting and we are landing every single OL prospect we've gone after. This past year was a little thin but we are loading up on this next class.


OSU has signed 4 of the top ten OL prospects in the Country. It all starts with the line and if they gell together OSU will be scary in a few years!

The topic--- Crable will be counted on to be a leader for the UM defense and if all the NFL people putting him in Round 1 he has to play like a possessed animal all season---he has all the tolls and I think he will bring it!