Vince McMahon

[MTigers006]

Does anyone who watched WWE Raw think Vince is really dead. www.wwe.com says he is while a wrestling spoiler page www.prowrestling.com says it was all storyline and a hoax. It really has some people fooled. Why why he do this?

[longtimefirsttime]

Although some media outlets, apparently oblivious to the suspension of disbelief that is pro wrestling, covered it like a real story, it's just a storyline. The explosion was taped the night before the WWE event. They were going for a "Sopranos type" of ending. If you watch very closely you will notice a minor edit after Vince gets in the limo.

The WWE has been acting as if it was real. They covered the story on their website, issued a released statement, postponed a scheduled draft and are flying the WWE flag at its headquarters at half staff (the American flag next to it is flying at full staff). This will be an opportunity to have an ongoing "who done it" storyline, while giving Vince a break from his on-camera persona for awhile.

[DAWGH8R]

If he ever ran into Tony Clifton, he´d be dead !!!

[CarlE]

Oh Lord you've got to be KIDDING me?

[TigerswillbeTigers]

People can be so naive! We're talking about a guy that's survived brutal beatings at the hands of Giants on steroids (sorry cracker, it's true), been smashed in the head with steel chairs, diamond plated steps that lead to the ring, smacked with folding tables, cameras and microphones, been thrown from the top of a cage 12 feet in the air and been run over by a monster truck, and people actually think a stinking car bomb is going to kill him?

Puhleazzzzzzzzzzzzzze :wall:

[werperry]

talk about putting the 'eye' on himself. what happens when he REALLY dies...? :scratchchin:

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I dunno.....applause?

[werperry]

:thumbsup:

[crackerman]

Ok, wow, did I really read this? NO he is not dead..lol. WOW. I assume it will be an angle having something to do with the Jackass guys being part of summerslam.

On a serious note, I think this angle is a true slap in the face to the actual high number of wrestlers who have actually died over the past 5 years. Especially Owen Hart, who died on camera, during a pay-per-view. I think it is a disgrace to the honor of them personally and the families of those guys.

On another note, the applause when he dies seems a little too much for me. He pushes the envelope yes, but he is a genius and has turned himself and his company into a household name. The only problem now with the company is the fact that they have soap opera and sitcom writers doing their writing and storylines instead of people who actually know the business.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Although I was being a bit sarcastic with the "applause" comment, I believe it will be more prevalent then tears when his day comes.
BTW! Funny you should mention Owen Hart in this thread. My comment about applause is somewhat related to the fact that some members of the "Wrestling family" believe Owen would be alive today if Vince and his people weren't negligent in their safety responsibilities when "encouraging" the wrestlers and writers to "push the envelope" when scripting the matches.

[crackerman]

For most I agree, but when they had him doing the Blue Blazer gimmick, it wasnt even a real gimmick it was more like a joke, which makes it even worse and more sad. Sting repelling made sense, Shawn coming down the cable at Mania one year made sense, but Owens blazer gimmick was stupid, bottomline.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Even more evidence of just how big of a scum bag Vince is surfaced yesterday.
Against the wishes and advice of several people within the WWE Vince chose to go thru with his death "skit" even though one of his wrestlers was found dead at her mothers residence just 3 days earlier!
He's all class! LOW CLASS!

[crackerman]

No, that is not correct they continued with it....The angle actually began 2 days before Sheri's death. However the next week they continued it after her death

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I don't know when the "angle" began, but I can tell you in no uncertain terms that Vince was asked, pleaded with and begged not to do his "death" skit on the air just 3 days after the broads untimely death! That my freind is all over the internet and being reported by news sources if you want to read or hear it.
He's LOW CLASS!!

BTW! You can go to ProWrestling.com and read the truth about the situation as it relates to Sherri Martel!

[crackerman]

oh i know that, but in wrestling the show goes on. You think vince truly cared that she died? nope, he didnt.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Thank you for making my point! He's low class, and his death will be met with more applause, then tears!

[crackerman]

Most bosses do not truly care. Plus she is not with the company anymore. hasnt been for about 7 years. You think Phil Knight of Nike would be crying right now if one of his salesmen from 7 years ago died? Its a business. Nothing more, nothin less.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Then I guess the many associates within the WWE that were opposed to Vinces desire to "go on with the farce" didn't realize just how insignificant Sherri was!
I understand it's "a business", but it's "a business" that has also paid out 18 million dollars in a wrongful death settlement for a wrestler that fell 78' to his death partly because of the negligent manor with which this "business" is run.
Last but not least, I'm pretty sure Phil Knight's death won't be met with wide spread applause, but I'm positive Vince McMahon's will.
We can agree to disagree!

[longtimefirsttime]

You both are right. Business is business. I get that. But Vince is a loathsome person, both on camera and in real life. He continued a PPV after Owen Hart was seriously injured and subsequently died. He learned of the death a short time after the accident and still continued with the show. The same night they did the death angle they did a storyline where they were holding a "Vince McMahon Appreciation Night." They had a hard time finding guests who were willing to say anything nice about him. That's the truth.

While most admire what's he done for this realm of entertainment (putting it on a global scale), most would also admit he's stepped on a ton of people to do that. And if you could get most to speak honestly about it, he wouldn't be that sorely missed.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Well said, I agree!

[Chibbzz]

The WWE is now looking into this as if Vince planned this himself. He was acting very strangly on his way to the limo (such as trembling hands and getting in and out of the limo). The WWE has even scheduled a 3-hour memorial service to be aired on Monday Night Raw.

[crackerman]

hello......it didnt really happen, thus of course vince planned it. And thus why Vince is a billionaire, because of the millions who still believe.

[fyrewood]

Billionaire or no, the world is a little dumber because of him. :oh:

[crackerman]

and I am sure you have watched or bought a ticket or bought the Hogan workout set at some point in your life.

[fyrewood]

and I am sure you have watched or bought a ticket or bought the Hogan workout set at some point in your life.

Other than when I was a young kid of about 6 or 7 and there was nothing else on TV, in the days of "The Shiek" and Bobo Brazil (The '60's), I can honestly say NO! to all of the above...

[CarlE]

Well, we all know NOW it was a fake. He just introduced the tribute show to Chris Benoit, who was found dead today around 2:30 pm in his home along with his wife and young son.

[Kamd50]

Has anyone heard what was the cause of death for this family?

[CarlE]

Has anyone heard what was the cause of death for this family?

According to TwbT and others on yappi it is being investigated as a murder/suicide and all they have reported is that they were not shot.

[Kamd50]

In the meantime, this is the only thing I have been able to find:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3315501&page=1

How very sad that someone not only feels the need to commit suicide, but to take other innocent lives along with them. Seems like all we hear about are tragedies lately.

[crackerman]

This story runs deep and we will find that out. Chris was to become the ECW world champ at sunday's pay-per-view so things were going his way business wise, but obviously not personally. I am truly numbed by this.

[longtimefirsttime]

Benoit's death will have an impact on the future of the WWE. Of course they're now forced to re-write some of their largest storylines. For obvious reasons, the "Mr. McMahon death" storyline will not go forward.

But it will have a deeper impact. The media will search for answers in the family's death and will look for any link to the WWE. Steroids? The tough travel time on the road? The constant pressure of "keeping your spot?"

McMahon and the WWE will survive. They've survived tough times before. But it will be a slightly different WWE.

[Tiger2001]

Billionaire or no, the world is a little dumber because of him. :oh:


Just think of all the brainwashed kids who are growing up on this crap. "Crap" is a huge understatement.

[longtimefirsttime]

I understand many of the story lines are pretty crappy, but how are they brainwashed? There are a lot of questionable things on TV. The TV has a remote. Change the channel or utilize parental control.

[Tiger2001]

or utilize parental control.

I think thats the problem. Most people dont watch TV with their kids anymore. They stick them in a room and olug them in. WWE is in the top %5 percent of worst things on telivision. Not just for children, but for all of man kind. No pun intended.

[MTigers006]

Recommended Reading:

http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Lies-Headlocks-Wrestling-Entertainment/dp/1400051436/ref=sr_1_6/002-2124398-8167243?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183134356&sr=8-6 target=

Someone suggested this to me to learn the truth of the business. Maybe I will check it out. Let me know if you have read it and what you think.

[longtimefirsttime]

Try that book and "Wrestling Babylon."

[MTigers006]

thanks LTFT

[longtimefirsttime]

Hulk Hogan seems to think he can compete with Vince.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...370018,00.html

I am not a believer that he can.

[crackerman]

Many have tried, but the wrestling business is a one horse race.....the WWE. In the short run and the long run, Vince will win.

[MTigers006]

So Hulkamania dies here? This is the end? Never to see Hulk Hogan in the WWE again? Why does Vince have to be so pigheaded? Hulk Hogan made the freaking WWF/WWE. Vince seems unappreciative. Is Vince really like this in real life? Like his Mr. McMahon character? I never knew Vince could be such a jerk. I guess im finding out the truth about someone I thought I respected as a person and business man. Stating that however I dont approve of the major skin of the female division and the rediculous skits. Back in Hulk Hogan's prime there didnt seem to be as many skits as there is now. Some that reek of stupidity. Recently one of Vinces stupid skits backfired on him and he had to come out and address the Benoit situation hince compromising the skit. Now he is doing something even more stupid like a someone saying he fathered them out of an affair. This isnt the first either. Like the Katie Vick story line for example. What gives Vince? Have you gone insane?

[crackerman]

I think you mgiht be the one who has gone insane....its a work for crying out loud.

[MTigers006]

True cracker! Thats why hes got the money and I dont. LOL
Ever meet Vince?

[Tigerfan1979]

So Hulkamania dies here? This is the end? Never to see Hulk Hogan in the WWE again? Why does Vince have to be so pigheaded? Hulk Hogan made the freaking WWF/WWE. Vince seems unappreciative. Is Vince really like this in real life? Like his Mr. McMahon character? I never knew Vince could be such a jerk. I guess im finding out the truth about someone I thought I respected as a person and business man. Stating that however I dont approve of the major skin of the female division and the rediculous skits. Back in Hulk Hogan's prime there didnt seem to be as many skits as there is now. Some that reek of stupidity. Recently one of Vinces stupid skits backfired on him and he had to come out and address the Benoit situation hince compromising the skit. Now he is doing something even more stupid like a someone saying he fathered them out of an affair. This isnt the first either. Like the Katie Vick story line for example. What gives Vince? Have you gone insane?Hulk Hogan made the WWE/WWF?Are you crazy?Vince McMahon,Ric Flair Andre the Giant and countless others made wrestling.Hogan had to have been the most overrated and overhyped wrestler of all time.Vince made Hulk Hogan,Hulk didn't make Vince.Hulkamania is dead!Thank goodness!

[SuperBran]

Hogan had to have been the most overrated and overhyped wrestler of all time.

how was hogan overrated and overhyped? his fame was due to his persona, and not his wrestling ability. he knew how to sell himself (and the wwe knew how to sell his character). his value came from his character.

[TIGER27]

I'm glad someone else here understands wrestleing Hulk Hogan did not make the WWF not even close. Yes he had one of the all time greatest matches ever with Andre the Giant but with or without Hulk Hogan the WWF would have survived which in the last year due injuries was not the case John Cena literally put the WWE on his back and carried it for a year while other superstars such as HHH, The Undertaker, Miiiiiiiiiiisttttttttttteeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrr Keeeendddddddyyy.................................. ..................Kennedy, King Booker, and Rey Mysterio sat out injured. But due to these injuries other superstars have emerged and the WWE is on its way back to the ratings is held a few years ago in the attitude era with the Rock DX and Stone Cold Steve Austin.

[longtimefirsttime]

Ever meet Vince?

I would guess that he has.

Like him or not, Vince has a stranglehold on the top wrestling spot. I do think there's room for some competition on lesser scale though. Many of the hardcore wrestling fans have "melted away" as the WWE storylines have become stale. If someone out there can re-ignite the industry, like Stone Cold or the NWO did in the past, most will come back.

[CarlE]

I would guess that he has.

Like him or not, Vince has a stranglehold on the top wrestling spot. I do think there's room for some competition on lesser scale though. Many of the hardcore wrestling fans have "melted away" as the WWE storylines have become stale. If someone out there can re-ignite the industry, like Stone Cold or the NWO did in the past, most will come back.

Believe me, when it comes to wrasslin', LTFT knows what he is talking about. He's one of the five or six resident "experts" on yappi.

[longtimefirsttime]

Believe me, when it comes to wrasslin', LTFT knows what he is talking about. He's one of the five or six resident "experts" on yappi.

Some would say that makes me the king of the trailer park. :jestera:

[MTigers006]

No Vince/WWE hater here. I been watching faithfully since 1982! I like and respect Vince. I just was wondering what hes like in real life. The media and other who have worked for him like Bret Hart make him out to be the jerk of jerks at times. One other thing is im a Hulkamaniac! I love and respect Hogan for not only what he has accomplished in his career, but the kinda person and father he is.

[npaflas]

I just heard that Brain Adams just pass away. Not sure how just yet.

[CarlE]

I just heard that Brain Adams just pass away. Not sure how just yet.

Yeah, obviously it's all over the news down here. They're not saying anything except that his wife found him in bed unconscious.

[longtimefirsttime]

He was probably at his "professional peak" as a member of the team Demolition in the WWE. He did win the tag titles twice in WCW under the name "KroniK" but that organization was in turmoil at the time and titles changed hands seemingly every day there. A few years ago he injured his spine while wrestling in Japan and was forced to retire. He then became a bodyguard for Randy "Macho Man" Savage.

In 1995 he was arrested for buying steroids. I'm sure that will be mentioned in light of the recent problems surrounding the WWE. But his cause of death remains undetermined.

[austinsm11]

I like to watch the tv show "Hogan Knows Best."

[MTigers006]

When Hulk Hogan was at Massillon Wal-Mart I was scared to even look at Brooke. The guy is much bigger in real life than he looks on TV. He is like 6'-5" , 6'-6" 305lbs. His son Nick wants to follow in his fathers footsteps in the wrestling business I heard. I wish him luck.

[longtimefirsttime]

"Fourteen wrestlers tied to pipeline"
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/08/30/wrestlers/index.html

Ten wrestlers were suspended Thursday for reportedly violating the WWE wellness policy. The names are expected to officially to be released in November, although it's conceivably possible some are the same listed in the article above.

[DAWGH8R]

Hope Hulksters son recovers from his auto accident !! :angel:

[SuperBran]

"Fourteen wrestlers tied to pipeline"
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/08/30/wrestlers/index.html

Ten wrestlers were suspended Thursday for reportedly violating the WWE wellness policy. The names are expected to officially to be released in November, although it's conceivably possible some are the same listed in the article above.

WHAT????? steroids in wrestling! no way! but they have a wellness program. i thought batista was all natural!


LOL.