Let's Talk some pigskin

[TIGER27]

The season's coming up and I mean I've heard about Deveo and Jack Rose but what about the team. We have the best kicker in the state. Even without Deveo I was thinking Turner and Herring would be the best runningback duo in the state. If KJ can work on holding on to the ball he could be legendary. Georgio Jackson showed flashes of greatness and could put up Devin Jordan like numbers. The Qb throwing the ball looks to be Clark i've heard from a lot of reliable sources he is the QB to beat no matter what the papers say because they have to be PC. I'm not ripping any of the other QB's I just hear he is really picking up on the offense and playing some great football so far. Reggie and Moose should be great as tackle's this year. Massey has tons of potential and hopefully the rest of a young secondary can step up and Massey could be the one to lead them with his expierence.

[Mass6]

The season's coming up and I mean I've heard about Deveo and Jack Rose but what about the team. We have the best kicker in the state. Even without Deveo I was thinking Turner and Herring would be the best runningback duo in the state. If KJ can work on holding on to the ball he could be legendary. Georgio Jackson showed flashes of greatness and could put up Devin Jordan like numbers. The Qb throwing the ball looks to be Clark i've heard from a lot of reliable sources he is the QB to beat no matter what the papers say because they have to be PC. I'm not ripping any of the other QB's I just hear he is really picking up on the offense and playing some great football so far. Reggie and Moose should be great as tackle's this year. Massey has tons of potential and hopefully the rest of a young secondary can step up and Massey could be the one to lead them with his expierence.

Don't forget about Hildreth at Safety as well as JT playing Free. Could be another good year for Palma to be a secondary coach!!!

[Tiger Flame]

If we are going to be a good team this year then our offensive line must improve alot. We also must improve on the defensive line as we don,t have much experence there and we will need depth there also. We have the potential to have a good team but we will need some young players to step foward and get experence and learn to play together as a team. Also who ever wins the Q.B. position will have to develope quickly if we are going to be a good team. GO TIGERS

[tigrs45]

Dont forget Adkins is also a junior and very athletic...he is very close to all the players and has played with them since midget...dont count him out

[Kamd50]

Dont forget Adkins is also a junior and very athletic...he is very close to all the players and has played with them since midget...dont count him out

ditto:thumbsup: add confidence and desire to that. Not a bad arm either from what I hear:wink: But good luck to all the young men in the race for this position.

[Tiger Flame]

I would like some imput on who posters think are going to be starters on the defensive line. This is a critical area and I am quite concerned as how good we will be on the line. Give names on who you think will start and how much depth. GO TIGERS

[mtigers96]

I don't know who besides Yoder that is a given starting on the d line, I've heard people say that Wachtel will be on the d line but I would personal like to see him at a olb position with his size & speed I think he would be good their and keep torrance at ilb. just my opinion.

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[tigrs45]

Adkins did not throw and interception during all the JV games and had well over 15 Td passes...nice ratio.

[massillon catholic]

Adkins did not throw and interception during all the JV games and had well over 15 Td passes...nice ratio.


Just curious. Is he also left-handed?

[tigrs45]

Adkins is a righty:thumbsup:

[Tigerfan1979]

I have a question for those of you who have played high school football.If Clark is a left hander,would that not mean that the plays would have to be run to the left,and that the players would have to learn them all over again(so to speak).I say this because aren't most plays for right handed QB'S?:no1:

[DAWGH8R]

Don't look for the QB job to be handed out anytime soon. I would think that it is Tim's job to lose. He is more than animate that he WILL be the starter come August. Don't sleep on this kid.

Mike is also a good kid, we'll have to see how well he adjusts to the system, and how the pressures of a QB race effect his proficiency.

Good luck to all the Tigers fighting for a starting spot. Competition only makes us stronger as a team.:ERS2:

[massillon catholic]

Don't look for the QB job to be handed out anytime soon. I would think that it is Tim's job to lose. He is more than animate that he WILL be the starter come August. Don't sleep on this kid.

Mike is also a good kid, we'll have to see how well he adjusts to the system, and how the pressures of a QB race effect his proficiency.

Good luck to all the Tigers fighting for a starting spot. Competition only makes us stronger as a team.:ERS2:

I think that there has been a "pattern" concerning transfers in recent years. At least to me, when someone transfers in the scuttlebutt has always been that, that player will start. Of course, that is not the way it actually turns out, but that has been the talk. I think that every QB will be given a fair shot. Besides, if we are going to win, it has to be with the best QB and I don't care who that is.

[RRanger]

Just curious. Is he also left-handed?

no right

[TigerswillbeTigers]

What's Adkins size these days?

[mike_da_man13]

clark is left handed throws a fastball 86mph so imagine what he can do with a football not to mention he beat justin turner at one of the combines in a 40yd dash unless he's a complete retard and after spending loads of time with him i guarantee you he is not its his job to lose. not to mention willoughby is also left handed so two of the top 3 candidates are south paws so for your learning new position theory......

[TigerswillbeTigers]

mike da man13!

It sounds like you know MIKE Clark pretty well!
Lets all hope he's that good and the rest are just as capable! That would make this years team one of the best ever at the QB position considering depth.

[1600TigerFan]

I have a question for those of you who have played high school football.If Clark is a left hander,would that not mean that the plays would have to be run to the left,and that the players would have to learn them all over again(so to speak).I say this because aren't most plays for right handed QB'S?:no1:

Its a Non Issue.........if you are a QB and cant throw the ball rolling out either way you shouldnt play QB, only difference is the "blind side" is on the opposite side so you would put your stronger OLINE players on that side.

[tigrs45]

Adkins is about 6' 175. 210 bench. thats about all i know

[Obie Wan]

its his job to lose.
Wanna bet?

[TIGER27]

Clark was the one on the front page of the paper. He's gonna be good

[massillon catholic]

Clark was the one on the front page of the paper. He's gonna be good


How does being on the front page of the paper transcend into "he's gonna be good"?

[CarlE]

clark is left handed throws a fastball 86mph so imagine what he can do with a football

Son, there is absolutely NO correlation there whatsoever.

[massillon catholic]

Son, there is absolutely NO correlation there whatsoever.


My 9 year old son plays 3rd base and can throw it to 1st on a rope with no trouble. He can't throw a football over 15 ft!

[CarlE]

My 9 year old son plays 3rd base and can throw it to 1st on a rope with no trouble. He can't throw a football over 15 ft!

Exactly.

[Tiger paw]

If we are going to be a good team this year then our offensive line must improve alot. We also must improve on the defensive line as we don,t have much experence there and we will need depth there also. We have the potential to have a good team but we will need some young players to step foward and get experence and learn to play together as a team. Also who ever wins the Q.B. position will have to develope quickly if we are going to be a good team. GO TIGERS

No doubt...Everyone knows football games are won UP FRONT in the trenches.

Does anybody know who might be filling those positions up front on the OL and DL?

Thank You

[monte81]

May the best QB win the starting spot. Adkins is a solid QB from what i have seen of him and Clark from what I gathered is hungry for some playing time. With all the talent at the skilled positions we should be able to be explosive in the air with our expected tiger ground game.

I think the OL and Dl will work hard and be a solid bunch to make a championship run. Yoder has to be a leader on both sides of the ball and bring some much needed aggression to our line play. If our leaders step up and push everyone to go ALL OUT EVERY PLAY-- EVERY GAME our season will end with the trophy!!

[TIGER27]

I didn't mean he was going to be starting QB because he was on the front page I was just pointing out that he was on the front page.

[mtigers96]

I've posted about this befor but I would like to see Wachtel off the DL & play him at OLB, the reason I say that is because I think he would be better their with his size and speed and I heard DT was going to be an OLB, I would much rather see DT at MLB because that seemed to be a trouble spot on occasion.

[Tiger Flame]

I am going to try to name some people who will be competing for the linebackers. Dorie Irvin is a returning starter and Devoe Torrence will all so be in the hunt if they let him play both ways. Matt Rose if he enrolls in Massillon. KJ Herring played a little at the position last year. The other canidates will have little experence and will have to work hard to earn a starting spot. I have mentioned in the past that we only have Steve Yoder and Brandyn Grizzard back on the defensive line so I think the coaches are going to have to find the right combination of players to make us a better team .Marchant Wachtel is one of those players. GO TIGERS

[massillon catholic]

I heard DT was going to be an OLB, I would much rather see DT at MLB because that seemed to be a trouble spot on occasion.

How could they possibly put DT at an OLB. It happened last year with Dailey and teams just ran to the other side. DT is a major force in the middle.

[Tiger Flame]

Devoe should be a inside linebacker without a doubt. GO TIGERS

[monte81]

DT is not playing OLB!! He will stay inside and people forget that we still have Dorie Irvin who was our #4 tackler last season to man the OLB slot along with Whattel. Stacy is not a fool to switch the player who has over 230 tackles the last 2 years at MLB to OLB when he is by far the best insde LB player we have had since Spielman and Wright!

[monte81]

How could they possibly put DT at an OLB. It happened last year with Dailey and teams just ran to the other side. DT is a major force in the middle.

Honostly Daily should not of been playing OLB last season. The strength of the 2006 squad was speed on defense and we did not utilize it properly. We should of been in a 3-3-5 stack at all times once Porrini was not going to play---playing BG and Pooder up and putting JT at free safety. If anyone watched the film after the season you would see that once we moved BG and Pooder up 5 yards off the ball we stopped the run. We should of played like that all season. The loss of Q. Nicholson hurt real bad at linebacker!

[mtigers96]

So IF we are still in the 3-4 we will see Dorie & hopefully whachtel at the two OLB possitions DT at MLB, who plays next to his, KJ, Vargus, who?

[monte81]

So IF we are still in the 3-4 we will see Dorie & hopefully whachtel at the two OLB possitions DT at MLB, who plays next to his, KJ, Vargus, who?

With the young strong beef in Yoder,Relford,Pettis, etc,...we might be more successful in the 4-3 letting DT rome free to smash stuff up all game but Kj looked really good at linebacker last season when he was called upon! What other linebackers do we have that may be ready to step up and play right now?

[massillon catholic]

I recall Coach Owens saying after he went to a 4-4-3 that it was his worst coaching move he ever made. He said it was too difficult for the defense to have four LB's. Now, am I hearing that his pupil is going to keep running four LB's?

[mtigers96]

With the young strong beef in Yoder,Relford,Pettis, etc,...we might be more successful in the 4-3 letting DT rome free to smash stuff up all game but Kj looked really good at linebacker last season when he was called upon! What other linebackers do we have that may be ready to step up and play right now?

I'm with u man, I'm not sold on this 3-4 stuff unless we got a stud nose guard playing this year go with the 4-3. I don't know who can play right away but I heard Vargus[sp] was good at the Jv level, like I said earlier if we do run the 3-4 I'd like wachtel but besides that I don't know.

[Coke Guy]

We went to a senior combine on Sunday at Kent State and this is what the guys were telling me they think will happen. JT,Pettis,Massey and Hildreth in the secondary. Torrrence,Rose,Irvin and ? at linebackers. Yoder and two ? on the line. Total speculation but you never know. They also think the two outside linebackers will be playing up to give it a five two look.

[Obie Wan]

We went to a senior combine on Sunday at Kent State and this is what the guys were telling me they think will happen. JT,Pettis,Massey and Hildreth in the secondary. Torrrence,Rose,Irvin and ? at linebackers. Yoder and two ? on the line. Total speculation but you never know. They also think the two outside linebackers will be playing up to give it a five two look.

I think it's the 3 ?'s that have everyone wondering... :wink:

[Coke Guy]

The other eight are question marks as well. Like I said total speculation.

[slider63]

I think our defensive coordinator is one of the best if not the best in the state and I trust he knows what is the best D for us to run. Slider, out!!!

[Tiger Flame]

I think our defensive coordinator is also good except for one thing last year. We had four teams during the year whose QB. killed us with running the ball and Stacy was ask the question at booster if we would stop the QB. of Toledo Whitmer as that was the only dangerous runner they had. He assured us that Kovacs would have us ready and you see how that turned out. They just didn,t get it done or figure the right scheme or personal. If we would have stopped their QB.,we would have won that game. GO TIGERS

[monte81]

We went to a senior combine on Sunday at Kent State and this is what the guys were telling me they think will happen. JT,Pettis,Massey and Hildreth in the secondary. Torrrence,Rose,Irvin and ? at linebackers. Yoder and two ? on the line. Total speculation but you never know. They also think the two outside linebackers will be playing up to give it a five two look.

Whattell will start as well but the linebackers and DB's are totally correct. I also received the same names from a great source. 5-2 look is the best defense to blitz and play straight man on amn football but your front 5 better be able to dominante games like ours did in 88!LOL To play a 5-2 your OLB's have to be great on the ball tacklers and pass rushers and the DT's better be hogs to clog up the middle. The traditional 5-2 with a nose guard causes teams problems in the run game but forces the back side WOLB to drop in the flats on some passing downs! JT was killing them at corner at camp last week which fills a hole because with Pettis speed at FS allows our corners to be one of the best groups in the state.

[mtigers96]

Whattell will start as well but the linebackers and DB's are totally correct. I also received the same names from a great source. 5-2 look is the best defense to blitz and play straight man on amn football but your front 5 better be able to dominante games like ours did in 88!LOL To play a 5-2 your OLB's have to be great on the ball tacklers and pass rushers and the DT's better be hogs to clog up the middle. The traditional 5-2 with a nose guard causes teams problems in the run game but forces the back side WOLB to drop in the flats on some passing downs! JT was killing them at corner at camp last week which fills a hole because with Pettis speed at FS allows our corners to be one of the best groups in the state.
So JT will be a corner and Pettis a free safety? Intersting.

[monte81]

So JT will be a corner and Pettis a free safety? Intersting.

Stacy knows he has to have a stud opposite Massey to prevent them picking one side over the other. That move makes us a solid secondary with no weaknesses. Pettis and JT both competing for the FS spot left us weak on the corner position and was a concern of the staff in this off season. Now Jeff Combs can be the nickel back and we are set back there barring injuries.

[91' alum]

Stacy knows he has to have a stud opposite Massey to prevent them picking one side over the other. That move makes us a solid secondary with no weaknesses. Pettis and JT both competing for the FS spot left us weak on the corner position and was a concern of the staff in this off season. Now Jeff Combs can be the nickel back and we are set back there barring injuries.
Your a regular TOM JACKSON Monte!!! Love this stuff!!! Keep up the good work...:rockin:

[massillon catholic]

I like Turner at Safety instead of corner.

[TROCK9901]

A good source told me it was coach Palma's idea to move JT to corner. Hope it works because JT could be a pretty darn good safety too. Pettis was an OLB last year but with his great speed I like the move to safety (if info is correct). Pettis has great speed and good size and Hildreth is tough as nails so I guess this is a way to get the best players on the field all at once. I am sure there are no spots locked up however with a long summer and a lot of evaluating to come. Like you said Monte, there are also guys like Combs, Alleman, Thornton, and Ivan that will compete and create good depth and competition. I watched all of these guys in JV ball last year along with Turner and Pettis and they all can play. Some forget but our JV team only lost one game by a TD to Iggy, and they beat the likes of good teams like St. EDs, Steubenville, Mentor and Mckinley. Good luck to Palma and his revamped secondary. My son played for him and always thought he was an excellent coach and person, so hopefully him and Hack can take this inexperience(but great potential) and turn it into a great unit.

[massillon catholic]

A good source told me it was coach Palma's idea to move JT to corner. Hope it works because JT could be a pretty darn good safety too. Pettis was an OLB last year but with his great speed I like the move to safety (if info is correct). Pettis has great speed and good size and Hildreth is tough as nails so I guess this is a way to get the best players on the field all at once. I am sure there are no spots locked up however with a long summer and a lot of evaluating to come. Like you said Monte, there are also guys like Combs, Alleman, Thornton, and Ivan that will compete and create good depth and competition. I watched all of these guys in JV ball last year along with Turner and Pettis and they all can play. Some forget but our JV team only lost one game by a TD to Iggy, and they beat the likes of good teams like St. EDs, Steubenville, Mentor and Mckinley. Good luck to Palma and his revamped secondary. My son played for him and always thought he was an excellent coach and person, so hopefully him and Hack can take this inexperience(but great potential) and turn it into a great unit.

Palma and Hack will do great a job, not only with the starters but the younger players as well.

[MTiger08]

Just an imput on the OL.

Returning Starters:

*Denotes starting all 12 games last season.

*Blake Seidler 6'3 255lbs Center
*Reggie Comeaux 6'4 330+lbs Tackle
Shawn Arnold 5'10 215lbs Guard
Chris Obradovich 6'0 235lbs Guard
Moose 6'1 360+lbs Tackle

Obradovich got hurt week 4 I believe. Arnold played the rest of the year in his place opposite Corey Shane. Moose... you know the outcome. Comeaux Arnold, and Seidler are most likely the foundation. The other two spots are questionable. I've heard Dingler is in running for the spot opposite Reggie.


On another note, I have an idea about a person who has played line in the past but most recently has been at a "skill position" on offense. I think he should be a tackle with his size and blocking ability. CLUE: McKinley Playoff Game 2005. Can anyone name who I'm thinking of?

[monte81]

Yoder should be playing tackle---he is beast and we would be wasting his talents at any other offensive position

[massillon catholic]

Yoder should be playing tackle---he is beast and we would be wasting his talents at any other offensive position

He should start on both lines and never leave the field. I think his broken arm last year limited the play on the offensive side.

[monte81]

He should start on both lines and never leave the field. I think his broken arm last year limited the play on the offensive side.

I agree!

[DAWGH8R]

Just an imput on the OL.

Returning Starters:

*Chris Obradovich 6'0 235lbs Guard
Obradovich got hurt week 4 I believe.

I'm pretty certain that Chris is done for his career. I don't think he can heal efficienntly from his injury. I hope I've been misinformed, cuz he's a big kid !

[Red50Go]

Yoder should be playing tackle---he is beast and we would be wasting his talents at any other offensive position

Not a fullback he wouldn't!

[BigTime]

I think Yoder as a second TE or at FB with the WHAM series would give great leverage on the edge particularly with bigger backs like Herring or Torrence.

On the offensive line- I think the core group mentioned above should be dead on. However there are several promising younger linemen who will really push competition in this area.

WOW, IS IT FOOTBALL SEASON YET?!

[monte81]

Yoder is good for situational FB duties on the goal line or short yardage but not at full time FB. If he is that skilled then put him at gurd to lead on sweeps and counters! he is not quick enough to lead our Rb's full time.

Sometimes thats the problem in tigertown trying to play players in roles they do not need to be in. The kid is a beast but not in the backfield and will help us more at guard or tackle on offense and DT on defense! We have more than enough solid and all stars in the backfield but we need solid oline help and he should provide us with that.

[DAWGH8R]

Sometimes thats the problem in tigertown trying to play players in roles they do not need to be in. The kid is a beast but not in the backfield and will help us more at guard or tackle on offense and DT on defense!

Like when Crable ran a 4th and 1 at Warren ???

[massillon catholic]

I would be stunned if we couldn't score from 1 yd out with Yoder as the lead blocker. He dominated McK the second game and was only a soph playing in his first Massillon game.

[TIGER27]

I'm pretty sure Deveo and JT will be tanks inside the five with Turners vertical leap and DT's power it's gonna unstopable.

[monte81]

I would be stunned if we couldn't score from 1 yd out with Yoder as the lead blocker. He dominated McK the second game and was only a soph playing in his first Massillon game.

If we cannot score with the regular backfield and Torrence is 220 then we have more problems than you think. I do not forsee a problem scoring and Yoder should be on the line blowing people back!

I remember playing against McKinley in 1987 and we were on the bulldog 2 yard line and Coach Moronto took Myricks out and John Miller in to run the rock. Miller was a hellava linevacker for our team but RB he was not! We didn't score and lost 17-15 in Fawcett my jr. year. EVERYBODY knows Myricks should of gotten the ball win or lose but it didn't happen! You have players who are runners and some who can block, and some who can hit on defense but we always try to make a solid player great instead of playing his role!

[RRanger]

I'm pretty sure Deveo and JT will be tanks inside the five with Turners vertical leap and DT's power it's gonna unstopable.

how about JT at WR, GO TO PRACTICE, AND WATCH

[TIGER27]

I garuntee you JT will still get carries and sorry I'm a full time college studnet and have a full time job I dont have enough time to go to practice. I guess you dont have much to do.

[CarlE]

how about JT at WR, GO TO PRACTICE, AND WATCH

Yes, that's all anyone else has to do. Just go sit around in the summer and watch the football team practice. WHATEVER.

[RRanger]

I garuntee you JT will still get carries and sorry I'm a full time college studnet and have a full time job I dont have enough time to go to practice. I guess you dont have much to do.
retired , and i go to all of the work out's

[MTiger08]

I think Yoder as a second TE or at FB with the WHAM series would give great leverage on the edge particularly with bigger backs like Herring or Torrence.

On the offensive line- I think the core group mentioned above should be dead on. However there are several promising younger linemen who will really push competition in this area.

WOW, IS IT FOOTBALL SEASON YET?!


At what positions? The available ones or all of them?