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TigerNick
06-08-2007, 10:10 AM
OK, I found this out yesterday and thought back how amazing it seems now and remembered how I was one of the many people bashing the Indians organization about trading all the good talent away. Are you ready?
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>Who did Mark Shapiro (Indians GM) get for back then the Indians nice young ACE Pitcher Bartolo Colon?

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>I have to admit I was upset when they did this, and Now, I wouldn't even trade one of these players straight up for Bartolo. Incase you're wondering. Bartolo pitches now for the L.A. Angels, and ever since he was traded, He has been sub par at best and has suffered several stints each year on the D.L. Give up?
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>The Indians got for Bartolo Colon- Minor League OF Grady Sizemore, Pitcher Cliff Lee, and Minor League 2B Brandon Phillips who is now the Reds starting 2B and should be on the N.L. All Star team this summer.
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>Could you imagine right now if the Angels would ask the Indians for a straight up deal Sizemore for Bartolo or even Cliff Lee? NO WAY.
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> Thome is with the White Sox now and you see where they are at, And the Indians are back in first place again, What can I say. I guess that's why I'm just not a Baseball G M and why I finish in the middle of the pack every year in my fantasy leagues. lol.

CarlE
06-08-2007, 10:13 AM
Nick, it's only June. Let's all wait for the September Swan-Dive before we annoint them World Series Champs, OK?

Very interesting though. Colon spends more time injured than he does pitching. And HE'S even fatter than lard-ass CC Sabbathia.

MTown
06-08-2007, 10:20 AM
Lee Stevens was also part of that trade.

I wouldn't say Colon has been supbar at best....he did win the Cy Young in '05.

longtimefirsttime
06-08-2007, 12:44 PM
He has made some very good trades and a few poor ones. Overall I think he's done well.

2001 - Jacob Cruz for Jody Gerut and Josh Bard
2001 - Robbie Alomar, Danny Peoples and Mike Bascik for Matt Lawton, Alex Escobar, Billy Traber, Jerrod Riggan and Earl Snyder
2002 - Bartolo Colon and Tim Drew for Lee Stevens, Brandon Philips, Cliff Lee and Grady Sizemore
2002 - Chuck Finley for Coco Crisp and Luis Garcia
2002 - Paul Shuey for Ricardo Rodriguez, Francisco Cruceta and Terry Mulholland
2002 - Einar Diaz for Travis Hafner and Ryan Drese
2004 - Milton Bradley for Franklin Gutierrez and Andrew Brown
2004-Ryan Church and Maicer Izturis for Scott Stewart
2006-Raphael Belliard for Hector Luna
2006-Ben Broussard for Shin Choo Soo
2006-Kevin Kouzmanoff and Andrew Brown for Josh Barfield.
2006-Bob Wickman for Max Ramirez

I'm sure there's a few more I've overlooked. He also had a hand in drafting/signing guys like CC, Fausto and Victor Martinez.

MTown
06-08-2007, 12:47 PM
The Diaz for Hafner trade was an absolute robbery!

OTC TIGER
06-08-2007, 02:33 PM
Indians trade trivia...who did Indians trade to get Mike Hargrove :scratchchin:

massillon catholic
06-08-2007, 02:40 PM
2002 was clearly his best year. Who did the Indians get for Coco Crisp and Richie Sexson? I was thinking that Nixon came after Crisp was traded, but I'm not sure.

TigerNick
06-08-2007, 04:07 PM
The Diaz for Hafner trade was an absolute robbery!

Yes it was. You got that right.

CarlE
06-08-2007, 04:12 PM
Indians trade trivia...who did Indians trade to get Mike Hargrove :scratchchin:

Paul Dade.

TigerswillbeTigers
06-08-2007, 04:43 PM
Geeze o Pete! I thought I knew a little bit about that era of tribe trivia but I never would have come up with Paul Dade for the "Human Rain Delay"! :wow:

You win a weekend in Paris! :2thumbsup:

CarlE
06-08-2007, 04:50 PM
Geeze o Pete! I thought I knew a little bit about that era of tribe trivia but I never would have come up with Paul Dade for the "Human Rain Delay"! :wow:

You win a weekend in Paris! :2thumbsup:

Did you say IN Paris or WITH Paris, bruddah???

TigerswillbeTigers
06-08-2007, 05:06 PM
Unfortunately for you it's "IN" Paris and evidently your name will be added to a long list of "winners" waiting for their conjugal visits.