MMS Football Coaching situation stinks *edited obiefan

[WHS-Rob]

The NEW football coachs at the middle school stink. They have no dicipline and they are all about fun and games. The middle school hired some coachs from Tuslaw. These coaches do not know what football means to massillon. Noone knows exactly why they fired ALL of last years coachs. None of the kids like the new coachs. All the kids want the old coaches back. Mike Skelly and Chuck Richards are some of the best in the buisness. Since the school fired Mike Skelly, all of the other coachs quit. Some of these coachs were, Chuck Richards, Rick Hampton, Scott Butterfield, Mark Hawkins, Bimbo Calhoun, Coach Roby. Between them there is over 75 years of coaching experience. Now they hired some kids who just cames out of college. Now there is one coach per team. How in the world can there only be only one coach to take care of all of those kids?


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[obie7661]

...How in the world can there only be only one coach to take care of all of those kids?

Can't be done if you want to develop good players and teams. Simple as that.

[Kamd50]

To be accurate, the principal did not "accept" Skelly's letter for renewal , which basically is an application for the job he already held as head coach of the Middle School teams. Mike Skelly is a great coach who the kids all like and respect, as do all the other coaches, and certainly deserved better treatment after all of his years of loyalty and hard work. It is very sad indeed, for the sake of the kids. But you can't blame the other coaches for not wanting to work for someone who is such an ***! This was a close knit group of coaches who all respected and supported each other and their teams. And everyone feels badly about it.

Trust me, this is nothing but a bunch of :bs:

[austinsm11]

Wow. One coach per team seems crazy.

How many teams are there at the middle school?

[Kamd50]

2 for each grade. I am telling you right now that it cannot be done.

[obiefan]

Ya know... This post borders on being pulled from the site. But I will leave it for now.

If it gets ugly, it goes bye bye.

I better NOT see attacks on people, by name or implied.

[sly4458]

we will never know why coach was not kept. but if we want a good feeder system we had better make sure that we have good coaches at the middle school!!!!! what is it with that school? nothing but trouble. when will it become what it was meant to be?? our administration needs to get off there a@@! and fix this. or are we just going to depend on the transfers coming in to our new and state of the art facility!!!!! and tell the born and raised here to take a seat????????????

[Kamd50]

we will never know why coach was not kept. but if we want a good feeder system we had better make sure that we have good coaches at the middle school!!!!! what is it with that school? nothing but trouble. when will it become what it was meant to be?? our administration needs to get off there a@@! and fix this. or are we just going to depend on the transfers coming in to our new and state of the art facility!!!!! and tell the born and raised here to take a seat????????????

What an excellent post!!!

And for the record, there is nothing here that has been posted so far that isn't the truth. Sad thing is, most people won't ever know the truth.

You would think that something as important as the hiring of the coaching staff at the MMS would be up to people who are actually involved with the athletics and football programs; like ADs and highschool coaches.

[massillon catholic]

Since, I don't want banned or this thread closed, I will simply ask. Who's decision was this?

[Kamd50]

To not rehire Skelly, the principals. For the others, their own.

[longtimefirsttime]

Good question. Will the recently hired AD have a hand in shaping the MMS coaching staff (he should)? And I agree you need more than one coach per team. The middle school(s) have always been a solid foundation for future successes. The district cannot move away from that.

[CATS44]

I know nothing about this situation, and I dont know who is telling the truth...and I am not casting aspersions on any poster.

My thoughts:

1) Something is rotten in Denmark if the Super is allowed to ruin the feeder system by only providing stipends for one coach per MMS squad. Football can NOT be taught by one coach per team. I wouldnt dream of running a midget league team without four qualified coaches, and I have some experience in that. I am in total disbelief that the BOE, with several members formerly affiliated in big ways with the football program, would sign off on such a disaster.

2) The caveat to the above is IF the BC is in the dark over this and isnt providing private stipends for volunteer coaches to fill in the ranks.

3) If there isnt enough money...public or private... to cover the relatively small costs of fielding a complete middle school coaching staff, we are in deep deep doo doo....and our priorities are totally out of whack. We are spending the money on the packaging (live Obie, multiple new unis, etc etc), but not on the product.

4) We have spent a lot of money, hundreds of thousands of dollars, financially rewarding seemingly everybody who was instrumental in working against our former coach, but we are now told that we dont have piddling to spend on teaching our youngsters the techniques with which to play football?

5) Having stated the above, I disagree that the former MMS coaches were doing a good job. The large volume of kids that were ineligible to play as frosh last year means that somebody wasnt doing his/their job(s) in tracking the players....and I firmly believe that keeping track of players is part of a coaches job. Academics is (again IMO) part of the equation when we are talking about discipline. Football is a year round thing in Massillon, and every MMS football coach should be in complete understanding of that fact.

[Kamd50]

The MMS teams had good seasons in spite of having to play without some good athletes. A very big part of the reason that some kids didn't get to suit up is because they were actually made to follow the rules and suffer the consequences if they didn't. How is that the coaches faults. I give them credit for sticking to some higher standards even if it meant some good athletes not playing.

There were kids that didn't show up for practices, came late to practices, got bad grades, either refused or did not apply themselves to tutoring, and some with bad attitudes that thought they should play regarless. Oh, and that goes for some of the parents of these kids also, that had the nerve to complain to the school about their kids not playing. I also understand, that some of these kids came from other schools that for one reason or the other, quit or got kicked out of.

You know the old saying about leading a horse to water.................
Some kids just think they have some kind of "right" to play because of their athletic skills alone. You can't put that on the coaches. I am sure that anyone who knows or has worked with Mike Skelly will vouche for what an upstanding, hard working, devoted, and good coach he is and has been.

I hope to see him and his skills being used in a new capacity this coming season:thumbsup:

[Kamd50]

[QUOTE=CATS44;53756]I know nothing about this situation, and I dont know who is telling the truth...and I am not casting aspersions on any poster.

My thoughts:

1) Something is rotten in Denmark if the Super is allowed to ruin the feeder system by only providing stipends for one coach per MMS squad. Football can NOT be taught by one coach per team. I wouldnt dream of running a midget league team without four qualified coaches, and I have some experience in that. I am in total disbelief that the BOE, with several members formerly affiliated in big ways with the football program, would sign off on such a disaster.

2) The caveat to the above is IF the BC is in the dark over this and isnt providing private stipends for volunteer coaches to fill in the ranks.

3) If there isnt enough money...public or private... to cover the relatively small costs of fielding a complete middle school coaching staff, we are in deep deep doo doo....and our priorities are totally out of whack. We are spending the money on the packaging (live Obie, multiple new unis, etc etc), but not on the product.

4) We have spent a lot of money, hundreds of thousands of dollars, financially rewarding seemingly everybody who was instrumental in working against our former coach, but we are now told that we dont have piddling to spend on teaching our youngsters the techniques with which to play football?

I wholeheartedly agree with your above 4 thoughts. I thought that it was promised that the cutting in our school system would come in the high paying administrative jobs. I also was told the other day at the ticket office that they have eliminated all of her help and that she is on her own and doesn't even have anyone to cover for her for a break or lunch. Assist coaching and part time ticket office personnel do not even earn enough money in the first place to make any real dent in the budget. But at the same time, eliminating these kinds of jobs, does have a real effect on the students and the folks that support our athletic programs, imo.

[massillon catholic]

Can't we eliminate Fortner and pay the coaches with his outragious salary?

[Obie Wan]

what is it with that school? nothing but trouble. when will it become what it was meant to be??
Many of the troubles at the middle school were predicted. Remember that when you consider consolidating the elementary schools.

[Kamd50]

Can't we eliminate Fortner and pay the coaches with his outragious salary?

Great idea:rockin:

[muc18]

I can see where everyone is coming from. However I personally know the coach who was hired, and I feel he will do an excelent job. I also believe that he was put in charge of hiring other coaches, and feel he will make good choices in those hires.

[massillon catholic]

I can see where everyone is coming from. However I personally know the coach who was hired, and I feel he will do an excelent job. I also believe that he was put in charge of hiring other coaches, and feel he will make good choices in those hires.

We have good coaches here!

[muc18]

Well this is the decision that was made, why don't we wait he see how things go before we mouth them. They were handed the reigns now lets give them a chance to prove or not prove themselves. They have had one maybe two meetings so far, to me that is not enough to assume the are bad coaches, and have no controll.

[massillon catholic]

Well this is the decision that was made, why don't we wait he see how things go before we mouth them. They were handed the reigns now lets give them a chance to prove or not prove themselves. They have had one maybe two meetings so far, to me that is not enough to assume the are bad coaches, and have no controll.

You sound like one of the new coaches!

[orangeblood]

Many of the troubles at the middle school were predicted. Remember that when you consider consolidating the elementary schools.
Irrelevant. 5-6-7-8 year olds, etc. are not involved with these types of problems. Quit worrying about your wallet.:offtopic:

[TigerCoach]

Well this is the decision that was made, why don't we wait he see how things go before we mouth them. They were handed the reigns now lets give them a chance to prove or not prove themselves. They have had one maybe two meetings so far, to me that is not enough to assume the are bad coaches, and have no controll.

Who are the new coaches at MMS?

[monte81]

WOW!! i guess when we have a few VARSITY losing seasons then maybe our program will understand that the MMS and midget league shape our teams for the upcoming years and 1 coach is not going to get the job done. Individual drill and position coaching is how great varsity teams are essmbled starting from MMS. Most kids play the same position they were slotted in the lower leagues/divisions. This will do nothing but hurt our program. You can have Vince Lombardi and Paul Brown but without quality assts. at any level you will lose!!! Who's going to mold the young cubs into killer tigers without the best trainers????

[slider63]

My understanding is that the principal wanted his own man coaching the 8th grade and now that person is no longer in the school system. Slider, out!!!

[ObieWon]

:thumbsdown:
Wow - how disappointing. The list of coaches that were around last year and are not now is an impressive list of men who care about kids and Massillon football. I don't know much about the specifics of the situation, but I can't imagine that the program will be better without that group.

...and it is at these young ages where values, fundamentals, and 'the system' are learned.

I'll hope for the best despite what seems on the surface to be taking a few steps back.

By the way, are the men on the list that were teaching still in their teaching positions?

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

I have one question: How will this affect grades K-6 in regards to coaching?

[monte81]

I have one question: How will this affect grades K-6 in regards to coaching?

K-6th play midget league football in Masillon but that situation could use some fine tuning as well. The same system, plays, defenses ,etc,... to prepare the kids for the big stage but that does not sit good with our current varsity staff.

However the MMS will be below standard when they get to WHS in football with the new coaching alignment and that will hurt our program deeply.

[obiefan]

I have closed this thread, but provided a link to the new discussion.

http://massillonproud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4544 (http://massillonproud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4544)