"Ban on front yard parking resurfaces"

[longtimefirsttime]

The Inde:
http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=16958&r=2&Category=1

[longtimefirsttime]

"Mayor backs yard parking ban"
http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=17798&r=1&Category=1

[Striker300]

Can anybody say infringement on your rights as a landowner? Unless the whole city is a gated community I don't see how you can even have the gall to approach this matter! Stupid waste of taxpayers money!

[SuperBran]

i wish there was a national parking ban. there's nothing more frustrating than having some guy treating his front lawn like a driveway. it's an eyesore and can hurt someone trying to sell their house.

[SuperBran]

Can anybody say infringement on your rights as a landowner? Unless the whole city is a gated community I don't see how you can even have the gall to approach this matter! Stupid waste of taxpayers money!

you don't have absolute rights as a land owner, and shouldn't.

[Striker300]

Absolute right? Come on we are talking about parking your car on your property, and unless it is a gated comm. no one has the right to deny this. Again another way to waste the hard earned money of the taxpayer. There are many more worhty subjects to address with the money than this hogwash!

[SuperBran]

Come on we are talking about parking your car on your property, and unless it is a gated comm. no one has the right to deny this.

you are incorrect.

[Indiana95]

Can anybody say infringement on your rights as a landowner? Unless the whole city is a gated community I don't see how you can even have the gall to approach this matter! Stupid waste of taxpayers money!

This in no way is infringing on property owner rights. The City has a responsibility to adopt ordinances that improve and preserve civility and quality of life for all residents. Allowing people to park cars in their front yard on the basis of owner's rights is ridiculus. Where would it end? How about couches and fire pits? Who wants to live in a trashy neighborhood?

There's a reason gated communities are peaceful and well kept. Smart rules and effective enforcement.

[Striker300]

Exactly right and if this is what you want then you buy a house in a gated comm. Cities are made up of all walks of life and you can't just eliminate the people you don't like. These things are what make a city strong. If you try to impose such foolish rules on people with property why don't you just lease it to them? These are reasons that ppl buy property that is not in a gated comm., they wish to have a little more freedom with their property. I mean we are talking about cars, not strippers in your front yard right? What is the problem with a vehicle in the front yard? If they spend money and concrete it you don't have a problem with it. The car will still look the same. Again better things to spend taxpayer money on!

[SuperBran]

Exactly right and if this is what you want then you buy a house in a gated comm. Cities are made up of all walks of life and you can't just eliminate the people you don't like. These things are what make a city strong. If you try to impose such foolish rules on people with property why don't you just lease it to them? These are reasons that ppl buy property that is not in a gated comm., they wish to have a little more freedom with their property. I mean we are talking about cars, not strippers in your front yard right? What is the problem with a vehicle in the front yard? If they spend money and concrete it you don't have a problem with it. The car will still look the same. Again better things to spend taxpayer money on!

foolish rules? LOL.

so i guess you would agree that someone should be able buy a commercial building right across the street from an elementary school and turn it into a porn shop. afterall, according to your logic the porn shop owner is merely part of the diversity that makes our city strong. if people don't want porn shops around their schools, they should just send their kids to private schools!

in fact, come to think of it, what the heck do we need restrictive covenants in subdivisions? let's just let people do what they want! we live in america and can do what they want!

[Striker300]

And also if you don't want trashy areas why isn't more done with the area by The Tracks tavern that is nasty and falling down? Or the projects? It seems we don't want to get involved with this matter. Go up Walnut Rd.S.E. and look for improvements there! There are way better things to spend the money on.

[CarlE]

And also if you don't want trashy areas why isn't more done with the area by The Tracks tavern that is nasty and falling down? Or the projects? It seems we don't want to get involved with this matter. Go up Walnut Rd.S.E. and look for improvements there! There are way better things to spend the money on.

Hey Striker, is it OK if your car in your front lawn is up on bricks, too? Geez louise this is freaking ridiculous. How about y'all put a little firepit out there for Saturday nights when all the cousins come over to the BBQ? I can't believe you actually BELIEVE what you are saying. Park your cars on your front lawns? This isn't about gated communities. There's quite a delta between gated communities and allowing a bunch of hillbilllies to have a used car lot out in front of their house. I'm sorry but if I'm your neighbor Massillon's finest is going to be knocking on your door. Hopefully, you're not downstairs at the still making your latest batch of moonshine and you hear the knock. Good GOD.

[Striker300]

And there are already laws that prohibit putting a porn shop that close to a school. Really you are being petty, putting a car in the front yard is not a big thing. And like i said if you concrete it then putting the same rundown piece of junk there is fine right?
If you truly want to keep this to a minimum, then do like FL and require all cars on property to have a valid liscense plate.

[Striker300]

Carl E I don't think you will find a used car lot at any of these properties. And as I said a plate will make them move it or tag it! It works her in FL if it don't have a tag it won't be parked in front.

[Striker300]

Also Carl E if you don't think this works drive to downtown St. Pete and see if cars are parked out front without tags on them in those poverty stricken areas. Or Tampa for that matter, you will see that this does work if they park it in front it must be tagged or towed.

[SuperBran]

And there are already laws that prohibit putting a porn shop that close to a school.

you're missing the point. the point is that the govenment can encroach upon your rights as a property owner in order to do what's best for the community.

yes, there are laws against porn shops next to schools....but at one time those laws didn't exist and the government sat down and said that these things needed to be regulated for the public good. the same thing's happening now.

if people want to park their cars in their yards, then they are free to move to the hills of west virginia.

if you think that your rights are being unfairly taken away, then by all means fight the issue.

[Striker300]

SuperBran did you not read the solution? Make a law that says the car must have a valid tag! It works in FL drive around here and see if cars are parked out front without tags, and you will see that there are not many and not for long. If you wish to argue for the sake of argument only then continue, but the solution is simple. Require a valid tag! It is the simplest least costly answer to your problem.

[CarlE]

Also Carl E if you don't think this works drive to downtown St. Pete and see if cars are parked out front without tags on them in those poverty stricken areas. Or Tampa for that matter, you will see that this does work if they park it in front it must be tagged or towed.

And the very reason I DON'T believe want to see this is BECAUSE of how it looks in the desolate areas of St. Pete of which you speak. You might not know this, but I actually LIVE here, my friend. So, you aren't telling me something I don't already know, OK?

[Striker300]

Yeah Carl and when i first came down here i had to live there for a while because it was affordable, so don't try to tell me about the cars in the front yards, because there aren't any!

[SuperBran]

SuperBran did you not read the solution? Make a law that says the car must have a valid tag! It works in FL drive around here and see if cars are parked out front without tags, and you will see that there are not many and not for long. If you wish to argue for the sake of argument only then continue, but the solution is simple. Require a valid tag! It is the simplest least costly answer to your problem.

again, you miss the point. most people could care less whether the car parked in their neighbor's yard has a tag on it. what people really care about is how horrible the car looks in the yard. i don't know about you, but if i was looking at a house and saw the neighbor with his car in his yard, i'd turn around and leave. no one likes to live in appalachia.

[Striker300]

Agreed SuperBran but I am not missing the point because most of the cars reffered to don't have tags, by imposing the valid tag law you will see this cut down considerably. You could also make a law that requires any car parked in front to be on concrete.

[DAWGH8R]

Having people license the cars is NOT a solution. I would guess that MOST of the cars they speak of are registered and licensed. They just choose to use their front yard as a driveway.

I thought the article said that a person could put down gravel or cement, to make the parking legal.
How nice, now there will be gravel front yards coming to a neighborhood near you ! http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/images/smilies/chairshot.gif

[Striker300]

The two things cited by me will end this if put into law, require to be on pave or concrete.

[Striker300]

Actually the law in FL states that any vehicle on your property anywhere has to have a valid tag, even in your garage!

[section3]

this proposed law has no teeth and can be challenged to no end. it would be complaint driven, and enforced by the building dept. gravel or concrete would exclude any citation, you would be allowed to if you have a handicap sticker, and or if it is temporary, such as a party. now i say this could be challenged because how much gravel constitutes a driveway or parking area?? and would the building dept have the jurisdiction to issue citations on cars?? if so will they be helping out the meter maid downtown?? if they see a car illegally parked on the street do they have the authority to issue a ticket then?? who enforces the handicap parking laws on private retail lots?? if someone comes to my house do i have the chance to move the car?? and if so what happens if i move 10 feet up ?? do i get another warning?? and i do not believe the building dept. works weekends so if i park my car friday night am i good till monday morning?? or if they call them out are they now on overtime??

[Striker300]

You are correct Section3 that is why the valid tag law does work on untagged cars! If you can't park it anywhere you will get rid of it or tag it. As for the requirement of gravel,pavement or concrete this is harder to enforce.

[CarlE]

Yeah Carl and when i first came down here i had to live there for a while because it was affordable, so don't try to tell me about the cars in the front yards, because there aren't any!

Do you have an f*ing clue what you are talking about?? First, in post 17 you say there aren't "many" cars in the front yards. Now you say there aren't any. Listen, tags or NOT people don't want cars in their front yards no matter WHAT the damn surface because it MAKES THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK LIKE YOUR HILLBILLY COUSINS. GOD.

[DAWGH8R]

Yeah Carl and when i first came down here i had to live there for a while because it was affordable, so don't try to tell me about the cars in the front yards, because there aren't any!


Once, when I was down on my luck with no money, I was forced to live in St Pete. Thank God I found a job and got outta that slum !!

[CarlE]

Once, when I was down on my luck with no money, I was forced to live in St Pete. Thank God I found a job and got outta that slum !!

We're glad you did too.

[austinsm11]

Hmmmmm... Maybe when striker tries to sell his house all of his neighbors should start parking their cars on their front lawns. He wouldn't have a problem with it.

[fyrewood]

Actually there are homes in many areas of Massillon that were originally built with no garage and that have little to no off street parking....In my job I've seen or been to many of them personally. If these people have no garage and no driveway and there is very little or no on street parking, where do you propose that these people park their vehicles?

What about those older or handicapped folks who are physically incapable of walking very far, so they have to park close to their front doors, ie. in their front yards? What is your suggestion for them?

I love some of the elitist attitudes I've seen herefrom people that automatically think that these people are "hillbillies" or "rednecks" because they have to, or choose to park in their front yard.

[obie7661]

Welcome to our beautiful, awe-inspiring neighborhood!

http://maps.culma.wayne.edu/allsaints/pix/8302Cahalan.jpg

[Striker300]

I do not deserve to be name called or flamed for my thoughts on this matter. I said that it would be a better solution than tying up Building Dept. personnel or Police personnel. Less costly to the taxpayer and a better way to get it passed rather than incite the ppl to come to the meeting and vote it down. Any tags on those vehicles?

[DAWGH8R]

Welcome to our beautiful, awe-inspiring neighborhood!

http://maps.culma.wayne.edu/allsaints/pix/8302Cahalan.jpg



HOME SWEET HOME !!!

[Striker300]

And as for the couch in the yard there is already a law against that, sry it is not being enforced.

[austinsm11]

And as for the couch in the yard there is already a law against that, sry it is not being enforced.

Maybe someone should complain about the law then since it is their property and they can do what they want with their property.

[obie7661]

And as for the couch in the yard there is already a law against that, sry it is not being enforced.

Just put it in the bed of the truck. That'll make it legal. lol

[DAWGH8R]

And as for the couch in the yard there is already a law against that, sry it is not being enforced.

That's no couch !! It's a LOUNGE CHAIR !!:blah:

[austinsm11]

Just put it in the bed of the truck. That'll make it legal. lol

That is funny!

[Striker300]

I'm sry Austin if you want to ride on the flame, but there is a law about yard trash. Now if nobody enforces it then it is useless. I agree that this is a nuisance but I am trying to show you that there is a way without getting the community approval to pass a law like the tag law. To pass a no parking in front yard law is opening a can of worms that you won't get passed. Using better methods will get more accomplished, the tag law can't be repealed by just one community.

[Striker300]

If you do the law as they are trying you will only involve Massillon and it probably will not pass. The tag law is statewide and 1 community can not stop it.

[MTown]

And as for the couch in the yard there is already a law against that, sry it is not being enforced.

Why is it ok for a car to be on the front yard, but not a couch? Maybe some of those older homes don't have the space for a three cushion love seat?

[Striker300]

LOL MTown. Maybe they should build a three loveseat garage too. haha! I agree it is an eyesore but the easiest solution is the tag law combined with some changes to the unsightly nuisance junk law. Then it would not stand a chance of getting voted down by the ppl involved. Go Tigers!

[DAWGH8R]

At a price of only $ 32 per year, it would be well worth it to tag the cars to sit in the yard. They need to have the vehicles in RUNNING order also.

This would help a lot more !!

[Striker300]

That would be better DAWGH8R. In FL you also have to have proof of insurance at every renewal. So also some more cost. But there are ways to accomplish this and using state mandate is usually less costly. So if it is a state law rather than a city law then it would be of less cost to the city.

[CarlE]

Actually there are homes in many areas of Massillon that were originally built with no garage and that have little to no off street parking....In my job I've seen or been to many of them personally. If these people have no garage and no driveway and there is very little or no on street parking, where do you propose that these people park their vehicles?

What about those older or handicapped folks who are physically incapable of walking very far, so they have to park close to their front doors, ie. in their front yards? What is your suggestion for them?

I love some of the elitist attitudes I've seen herefrom people that automatically think that these people are "hillbillies" or "rednecks" because they have to, or choose to park in their front yard.

Woody:

I didn't mean for my post to sound elitist at all. I'm generalizing with my perception of this particular subject. Quite frankly, it's been a long time since I've driven around Massillon and I honestly don't remember any place where there wasn't ample street parking or parking with no driveways. Sorry if I pissed you off. That's not what I meant to do. It's just Striker.......oh never mind. I already got a warning.

[austinsm11]

I'm sry Austin if you want to ride on the flame, but there is a law about yard trash. Now if nobody enforces it then it is useless. I agree that this is a nuisance but I am trying to show you that there is a way without getting the community approval to pass a law like the tag law. To pass a no parking in front yard law is opening a can of worms that you won't get passed. Using better methods will get more accomplished, the tag law can't be repealed by just one community.

Who says it is yard trash? What if someone genuinely wants to sit out on their couch on a nice summer evening?

Also, are you prepared to lose thousands of dollars on the sale of your home, or worse yet not be able to sell your home due to neighbors doing this?

[massillon catholic]

I think the problem in Massillon is when many of these homes were built the people had only one car. Usually the husband drove it back and forth to work and the wife stayed home with the children. Nowadays, there are more than one person working in the family and there just isn't any room for the additional cars in the driveways, if a driveway even exists. Cars parked in driveways do sway potential buyers of other homes in the area away.

[Striker300]

I agee with you about it not looking nice and I agree that it will drive someone from buying in area. But what I was saying is this is not going to pass, and other state laws could help alot. The comments in the articles would lead you to believe that this is not gonna pass. If state laws like this are passed the city must obey. And there are already laws for yard trash and it is up to code enforcement to take care of this. Also I am sry Carl E for my rant at you that was very childish of myself. And did not mean it. As far as I know you were an alright guy back then anyway.

[Indiana95]

Striker300,

Are you related to JobDone? You'd have a great time debating with him!:laughing:

[MTown]

As far as I know this proposed ban is not being voted on by the citizens....so all it's going to take is just a couple councilmen to decide they want it and it's gonna be a law.

[massillon catholic]

HOME SWEET HOME !!!


I want any royalties for posting a picture of my house:laughing:

[massillon catholic]

As far as I know this proposed ban is not being voted on by the citizens....so all it's going to take is just a couple councilmen to decide they want it and it's gonna be a law.


Don't the councilman reprersent their constituants?

[MTown]

Sure...but as we've seen in Congress, the representatives don't always do what their constituants want.

[massillon catholic]

Sure...but as we've seen in Congress, the representatives don't always do what their constituants want.

Good point!

[section3]

if you check the council minutes on the internet, this has all ready been given first reading. a couple people spoke up at the meeting in favor of the parking ban. look for the neighbors around the stadium to still be allowed to park cars in the yards. if this is allowed, i would just charge myself for a monthly parking pass for my yard, if i parked in the yard. (just another one of those gray areas that needs defined before passing.)

[monte81]

Welcome to our beautiful, awe-inspiring neighborhood!

http://maps.culma.wayne.edu/allsaints/pix/8302Cahalan.jpg

Isn't that 11th st. SE???? Damn that looks really terrible and nasty. If not what damn street is that?

[massillon catholic]

I knew it would be a "slippery slope" after they started with the 6ft rule:sad2:

[Seeker]

Isn't that 11th st. SE???? Damn that looks really terrible and nasty. If not what damn street is that?

LOL.

Follow the "properties" back on the picture link.

It's a street in Detroit.
(No BS.)

:blah:

[obie7661]

Isn't that 11th st. SE???? Damn that looks really terrible and nasty. If not what damn street is that?

No ... just a picture from cyberspace.

[CarlE]

I agee with you about it not looking nice and I agree that it will drive someone from buying in area. But what I was saying is this is not going to pass, and other state laws could help alot. The comments in the articles would lead you to believe that this is not gonna pass. If state laws like this are passed the city must obey. And there are already laws for yard trash and it is up to code enforcement to take care of this. Also I am sry Carl E for my rant at you that was very childish of myself. And did not mean it. As far as I know you were an alright guy back then anyway.

And my apology for the "Jethro" remark. We sometimes go overboard on here and it gets out of hand. Let's just forget all this and move on.

There Seeker, now take my warning away!!! LOL

[Seeker]

There Seeker, now take my warning away!!! LOL


For both of you it was more of just an easy way to PM with the post quoted in the message.

Nobody got any points...this time.

:thumbsup:

[Striker300]

TY Seeker and TY CarlE. I agree bygones are bygones. Sry.

[MTigers006]

What about construction equipment like dump trucks and paving equipment?
What about the slums of the heights and the properties around the Tracks Tavern as well as Edwin and 3rd? How about the drug dealers? The Potheads? The still nasty smell down by Wal-Mart? The decaying mess that used to be a viduct that will most likely never be finished. Also I have never ever seen a highway look as nasty as 21 does going through town even if it is state property. How about the thin safety and public services like Police, Fire,and EMT? There is more important things that need done in this city instead of worrying over something petty like this. I will comment on this only as saying what the heck do we pay property taxes for? As a neighbor said if he pays taxeson it, mows it, trims it, he is parking on it. Has anyone seen the former gas station across from Dairy Queen lately? I hear someone started a fire in the shed on the side of the building. Doesnt that person know the tanks are still in the ground? Could have blown everything close to the place sky high. My point is since we are complaining about eyesores in the city I wanted to get my two cents in.

Fyrewood:
Aren't half empty or empty fuel tanks more dangerous than full ones becuase there is more room for fumes to expand and explode than in a full tank?