Tiger powerlifting

[lil hos0772]

Tiger football players that powerlifted did their final max out before transitioning into summer football workouts. Some noteable lifts and lifters were:

Deadlift Bench Squat
C.Ivan
410 265 390
M.Wilson
390 235 395
B.Arelt
435 265 420
D.Vargas
380 225 370
T.Relford
435 300 595
J.Combs
405 235 345
B.Seidler
405 230 370
P.Schumacher
395 245 330
R.Comeaux
410 320 455
Z.Lohr
440 210 335
D.Torrence
455 285 495
G.Erlitz
430 240 375

Don't know about you guys but I think these are some good lifts and as I said this are just some noteables and are not in any type of order. Good job guys:thumbsup:

[siberiantigerman]

Wow, those are some good numbers, especially from the smaller guys. Off season lifting looks like it is making a swing. Those guys have got alot stronger. What kind of program are they on and who is in charge of these huge jumps in the max outs?

Go Tigers!

[Mass6]

D.Torrence
455 285 495

WOW!!!!!

[LakeCountyTiger]

Wasn't there a place that showed all the lifting numbers last year? Not sure if they were from the lift-a-thon or from another place in time, but it was pretty cool to see everyones numbers side by side...

[TigerswillbeTigers]

These numbers appear to be a little low. Back in the day when me and CarlE were in HS he did 525 - 375 - 515
And that was with his mouth! :smartass:

[eyeofthetiger]

I Think Those Lifts Are Pretty High,because If I Am Correct Alot Of Those Powerlifters Are Sophmores And Jrs This Year.good Lifts Guys Looks Like Some Of You Guys Will Be Breaking Records. Next Year For There Wieght Class Tyler Relford Did 595 On Squat. Crazy Stuff Man Devroe Torrence 495 Cooper Ivan 410 On Dead Lift Reggie Commax 320 Bench.in Other Words Very Good Lifts Guys

[siberiantigerman]

Thanks for being positive eyeofthetiger, some of our own cannot be but negative. You wonder what they benched and squatted in high school!

[eyeofthetiger]

yea i wounder lol i bet hafe of those guys couldnt squat or bench what hafe of those guys are.:weightlift:

[tiger51]

yea i wounder lol i bet hafe of those guys couldnt squat or bench what hafe of those guys are.:weightlift:

Hafe=half

but I agree with you...sometimes you wonder if people know what are good lifts or not....

[slob55]

Nice numbers. I find it interesting the deadlifts are generally stronger than the squats. In the past it's been the other way around. I've heard the team focused more on hamstring development this year, so I wonder if that is a reason. If so, more power to the PL team! hamstring strength=speed!

[siberiantigerman]

slob55, now someone is on the same page with me. The back of the body is the key to pancaking your opponent. Louie Simmons who knew Stu well and is the guru from Westside Barbell in Columbus preaches "the back". Amen slob55 you are the man.

The team will be stronger due to the hamstring strength. Dead lift was higher because they worked alot on box squats and reverse hypers for the back.

Go Tigers!

[1600TigerFan]

Those are good numbers (especially if mostly upperclassmen), not WOW numbers though. These guys have 3 months to improve and make strides......and I think they will ! Does anyone have the speed drills numbers from last nights event ?

[massillon catholic]

Those are good numbers (especially if mostly upperclassmen), not WOW numbers though. These guys have 3 months to improve and make strides......and I think they will ! Does anyone have the speed drills numbers from last nights event ?


I am also interested in the "speed" numbers. I believe that they are actually more important than the strength numbers.

[siberiantigerman]

The big numbers are from underclassman. what do you know about numbers! Our numbers compared to other programs in the state are awesome. Our underclassman dominated every lift at the powerlifting meets this year.

[massillon catholic]

The big numbers are from underclassman. what do you know about numbers! Our numbers compared to other programs in the state are awesome. Our underclassman dominated every lift at the powerlifting meets this year.


Are you saying that our upperclassman are sub-par?

[siberiantigerman]

The other thing is what do you think strength is? It is speed x force, that is why the Russians kicked our butts for years in the Olympics, they could lift heavy weight with speed, we have finally learned how to do that and now our numbers prove it! No athlete in the world can be fast, powerful, or dominating in their sport without explosion. This is done with proper training of the posterior chain using proper percentages in your lifting. Keep your mouth shut if you do not know the dynamics and physics behind lifting and its relationship to football. Do you really think Massillon would have their players lifting in a program that is anything but superior?

[siberiantigerman]

Catholic, not saying they are sub-par, they just have not bought into the program like the underclassman have. Go Tigers!

[slob55]

Sounds like we have a conjugate method guru on this forum! I can dig it. Siberian, you seem to know a little bit about what is going on in the weight room at Massillon. Is the football team on the same training program as the power lifters? More specifically, are the football guys taking advantage of those reverse hyper machines as well, or are the power lifters the only guys reaping the rewards of that great machine? I'm also wondering how the power lifting numbers are comparing to the football players numbers. Just curious. I've got a feeling they won't be close.

[1600TigerFan]

The big numbers are from underclassman. what do you know about numbers! Our numbers compared to other programs in the state are awesome. Our underclassman dominated every lift at the powerlifting meets this year.

I know plenty about football speed and strength numbers.............i was at the lift a thon last night with friend of mine who is impartial and he wasnt overly impressed by physiques or strengths either. However you cant measure heart and desire which is what always sets us apart.

[massillon catholic]

The other thing is what do you think strength is? It is speed x force, that is why the Russians kicked our butts for years in the Olympics, they could lift heavy weight with speed, we have finally learned how to do that and now our numbers prove it! No athlete in the world can be fast, powerful, or dominating in their sport without explosion. This is done with proper training of the posterior chain using proper percentages in your lifting. Keep your mouth shut if you do not know the dynamics and physics behind lifting and its relationship to football. Do you really think Massillon would have their players lifting in a program that is anything but superior?

I always thought that the Russians kicked our butts because they had superior steroids.

[1600TigerFan]

I think they just used the same "cream" as Barry Bonds

[massillon catholic]

I think they just used the same "cream" as Barry Bonds

Did they inadvertantly take it like Bonds?

[1600TigerFan]

They thought it was BEN GAY

[massillon catholic]

I know plenty about football speed and strength numbers.............i was at the lift a thon last night with friend of mine who is impartial and he wasnt overly impressed by physiques or strengths either. However you cant measure heart and desire which is what always sets us apart.

IMO, I don't think that we've over-powered to many teams with strength in recent years. Our most successful teams recently, had speed. Now, whether you say speed comes from strength, so be it. But, we don't have an abundance of football strength, which is different than being able to dead-lift 450 lbs. I'll take 11 guys who can bench 200 lbs and run the 40 in 4.5.

[monte81]

IMO, I don't think that we've over-powered to many teams with strength in recent years. Our most successful teams recently, had speed. Now, whether you say speed comes from strength, so be it. But, we don't have an abundance of football strength, which is different than being able to dead-lift 450 lbs. I'll take 11 guys who can bench 200 lbs and run the 40 in 4.5.


You will win more games with speed than strentgh on the HS and college level. It is a complete combination of both that only few athletes have naturally. We always will have a few of those "natural players" in tigertown but the majority has to keep working and developing the speed and strength combination.

[Kamd50]

If you were at the liftathon, do you know who the kid was who ran a 4.3? My son told me last night but I forget his name right now.

[massillon catholic]

If you were at the liftathon, do you know who the kid was who ran a 4.3? My son told me last night but I forget his name right now.

Does he play football?

[1600TigerFan]

I missed the speed portion, probably the only time the CAVS will ever take front seat to my beloved TIGERS........................would like to know who the burner is though

[1600TigerFan]

You will win more games with speed than strentgh on the HS and college level. It is a complete combination of both that only few athletes have naturally. We always will have a few of those "natural players" in tigertown but the majority has to keep working and developing the speed and strength combination.

Thats right look at Glenville.............the combination of speed and strength like MONTE said is whats important. If you are gonna give me a guy who benches 200lbs he better be able to run and better not be LB or DL or he will get crushed

[1600TigerFan]

I think we all agree we want more speed and good strength................im just not impressed w/ our strength at this point...............see what end of summer brings, im done discussing the obvious. Go Tigers !

[monte81]

We abandoned the best workout regime we had after Shep left. The WVworkout had our players blazing fast but the following year the same players lost a step. That was hard to understand how one CORE workout can change the speed of your team that much. Our oline was strong enough last year but they didn't move anyone. A few notes from the combine camp last weekend where some tigers received high marks

GORGIO JACKSON
6'2 190LBS
HE WAS THE SECOND FASTEST ATHLETE AT THE COMBINE.
BENCH PRESS 225 10 TIMES, 31 INCH VERTICAL RAN A
4.42 & 4.47 IN THE FORTY
GREAT ROUTE RUNNING, GREAT HANDS, CAN GET OFF THE PRESS REALLY GOOD.

NEXT UP IS:STEPHEN "MOOSE" JACKSON
6'3'' 350LBS ,,,,,MOOSE DOMINATED THE BENCH PRESS
HE RAN A 6.0 FLAT IN THE FORTY TIME.
THIS BIG OL MEN CAN MOVE HIS FEET, HE DOMINATED THE ONE ON ONE'S. ( WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON HIS FOOTWORK FOR SOME TIME NOW, HE IS LOOSING WEIGHT.

KEVIN MASSEY
5'10 190 (THE STRONGEST OUT OF ALL THE DB'S)
HE RAN A 4.6 FORTY AND A 4.55, BENCHED 185 18 TIMES, BENCHED 225 10 TIMES, GREAT 3 CONE DRILL, GREAT SHUTTLE TIME....
MR. MASSEY IS A LOCK DOWN CORNER WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS TO WHY WE ARE RANKING HIM OUR NUMBER #1 CORNER IN OHIO
WILL NOT GET BEAT DEEP, PLAYS THE BALL VERY WELL, COVERS BIG RECEIVERS LIKE BLANKETS...HE LOCKED UP SOME FIRST CLASS RECEIVERS SATURDAY.

[Kamd50]

My son just got home, said the young man's name is Kenny Pettis, and yes he plays football,lol.

[monte81]

My son just got home, said the young man's name is Kenny Pettis, and yes he plays football,lol.


That's my little cousin and Tomar Pettis little brother!!! 4.3 forty is the fastest time since jason Stafford posted a 4.31 in 1987!!

[CarlE]

That's my little cousin and Tomar Pettis little brother!!! 4.3 forty is the fastest time since jason Stafford posted a 4.31 in 1987!!

Bro, is there ANYBODY in Massillon you're not related to? I swear I'm going back to my family tree and looking for some Montes somewhere down the line.

[hitman]

to be exact I saw it written down as a 4.38, which is still pretty fast. I believe he ran track and was the long jumper?????

[monte81]

Bro, is there ANYBODY in Massillon you're not related to? I swear I'm going back to my family tree and looking for some Montes somewhere down the line.

CarlE----my dad's family is huge! I have 5 cousins on the 2007 roster the 2 Pettis brothers, Devoe Torrence, and Kevin Massey on my dad's side and Jeff Combs on my mom's side.

[1600TigerFan]

Sounds like we could do Six Degrees of Seperation w/ Monte and just about anyone.........................is Monte the next Kevin Bacon

[massillon catholic]

We abandoned the best workout regime we had after Shep left. The WVworkout had our players blazing fast but the following year the same players lost a step. That was hard to understand how one CORE workout can change the speed of your team that much. Our oline was strong enough last year but they didn't move anyone. A few notes from the combine camp last weekend where some tigers received high marks

GORGIO JACKSON
6'2 190LBS
HE WAS THE SECOND FASTEST ATHLETE AT THE COMBINE.
BENCH PRESS 225 10 TIMES, 31 INCH VERTICAL RAN A
4.42 & 4.47 IN THE FORTY
GREAT ROUTE RUNNING, GREAT HANDS, CAN GET OFF THE PRESS REALLY GOOD.

NEXT UP IS:STEPHEN "MOOSE" JACKSON
6'3'' 350LBS ,,,,,MOOSE DOMINATED THE BENCH PRESS
HE RAN A 6.0 FLAT IN THE FORTY TIME.
THIS BIG OL MEN CAN MOVE HIS FEET, HE DOMINATED THE ONE ON ONE'S. ( WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON HIS FOOTWORK FOR SOME TIME NOW, HE IS LOOSING WEIGHT.

KEVIN MASSEY
5'10 190 (THE STRONGEST OUT OF ALL THE DB'S)
HE RAN A 4.6 FORTY AND A 4.55, BENCHED 185 18 TIMES, BENCHED 225 10 TIMES, GREAT 3 CONE DRILL, GREAT SHUTTLE TIME....
MR. MASSEY IS A LOCK DOWN CORNER WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS TO WHY WE ARE RANKING HIM OUR NUMBER #1 CORNER IN OHIO
WILL NOT GET BEAT DEEP, PLAYS THE BALL VERY WELL, COVERS BIG RECEIVERS LIKE BLANKETS...HE LOCKED UP SOME FIRST CLASS RECEIVERS SATURDAY.

Why didn't Georgio Jackson play basketball? Is he playing football? The "moose" still needs to lose 50 lbs and his 40 time needs to drop. What kind of stamina does he have at that weight? Great stats on Massey, but my concern is can he cover anyone? He was never the same after the Moeller game. Two, third and longs for a 1st down!

[LakeCountyTiger]

wasn't Massey at like 160 lbs last year?

[massillon catholic]

wasn't Massey at like 160 lbs last year?


height and weight are generally inflated in these types of things.

[LakeCountyTiger]

You would think the the numbers in the programs would be inflated but the combines would be accurate... so, with that said, do you think Massey is 160 or 190?

[89tiger]

Tyler Relford...Is that Billy Relfords younger Brother? His Bench & Squats are unreal! What position does he play and what year will he be? :scratchchin:

[eyeofthetiger]

yes, that is billy relfords little brother he planning too play nose or 3 techique and he is the class of 09. I hear he is squating 595 and he benches 320. :tig:

[massillon catholic]

yes, that is billy relfords little brother he planning too play nose or 3 techique and he is the class of 09. I hear he is squating 595 and he benches 320. :tig:

I had heard that T Relford is making great strides and is a very hard worker. Good job!

[89tiger]

:rockon: Thats good to hear! I never hurd of him until this week. If he's anything like his brother he should be awsome! Billy had that "Killer Mentality" but just made alot of Bad Choices. Well, hopefully Tylers a little more Humble. Good luck to the young man and all the rest of the 2007 Tigers!
Lets Get A State Championship Title! :rockon:

[monte81]

Why didn't Georgio Jackson play basketball? Is he playing football? The "moose" still needs to lose 50 lbs and his 40 time needs to drop. What kind of stamina does he have at that weight? Great stats on Massey, but my concern is can he cover anyone? He was never the same after the Moeller game. Two, third and longs for a 1st down!

In defense of Massey is that last year he had alot of pressure on him being the only underclassman in the defensive backfield. BG and Darion were really hard on him for everything and that made him a better player. Against Moeller he played against a All-Ohio reciever that was a 3 year starter and I thought our lack of run defense made it harder on him covering everyone one on one all game because we had our safeties 5 yards of the ball to contain the run. K. Massey will be the best corner in the County this year.

Tyler Relford works extremely hard and will be a very solid player the next 2 years. I think the d-line will be solid with him, Yoder, Wachtell, and a few others fighting for positions.

GJ--- i hope for the best for the kid on and off the field and I hope he can be the type of player that his potential says he is for us this season. I am definitely routing for this kid to do great things.

Moose really did not have alot of football experience before last season and I hope he knows if heputs in the work college coaches will breaking the door down to get a lineman of his size. he is still raw but has worked really hard on his footwork and technique.

[slider63]

Moose nearly got our QB killed last year in every game! Slider, out!!!

[monte81]

Moose nearly got our QB killed last year in every game! Slider, out!!!

The technique used last year was terrible by the entire line. If we do not correct the line splits, aggressiveness, quickness, and overall desire. I saw players flopping on running plays(going to the knees trying to chop block) and you cannot run block on the gorund. The entire line needs improvement and I hope we do not waste another talented class because our line is below average.

[mike_da_man13]

We abandoned the best workout regime we had after Shep left. The WVworkout had our players blazing fast but the following year the same players lost a step. That was hard to understand how one CORE workout can change the speed of your team that much. Our oline was strong enough last year but they didn't move anyone. A few notes from the combine camp last weekend where some tigers received high marks

.

i mentioned this to last year shep may not have been a good guy but when it came down to buisness he knew how to get it done

[massillon catholic]

The technique used last year was terrible by the entire line. If we do not correct the line splits, aggressiveness, quickness, and overall desire. I saw players flopping on running plays(going to the knees trying to chop block) and you cannot run block on the gorund. The entire line needs improvement and I hope we do not waste another talented class because our line is below average.

Is Leasure still the O-line coach? I always thought Page did a good job. As far as Georgio, is he even eligible to play this year? He has some of the best raw talent I've seen in years. I never can understand how a guy can waste that type of ability. If he is eligible the first thing that I would do is not allow him to wear #1.

[89tiger]

Just wondering...If Pettis is as fast as a 4.4 or 4.3, why not give him a shot at the other CB Position? I think that him and Massey would be tough to deal with! Correct me if i,m wrong. Just a thought!

[eyeofthetiger]

Just wondering...If Pettis is as fast as a 4.4 or 4.3, why not give him a shot at the other CB Position? I think that him and Massey would be tough to deal with! Correct me if i,m wrong. Just a thought!
YES I LIKE THAT THOUGHT HE WILL BE A GOOD CONTRIBUTION TO THE CB POSITION, BECAUSE OF HIS SPEED. HE CAN HIT VERY WELL DID HE HAVE THE MOST TACKLES ON THE TEAM LAST YEAR. CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG PLEASE.

[mtigers96]

what is T.R. heigth and weight ?

[monte81]

Just wondering...If Pettis is as fast as a 4.4 or 4.3, why not give him a shot at the other CB Position? I think that him and Massey would be tough to deal with! Correct me if i,m wrong. Just a thought!

I thought he was a DB but in Stacy's/kovacs sceme I think he might be a better fit at OLB if we are still running a 3-4. However the kid can run and will play hard as well. he was the leading tackler on the JV team last season and we all know that tackling was a major problem up front last year.

[monte81]

Is Leasure still the O-line coach? I always thought Page did a good job. As far as Georgio, is he even eligible to play this year? He has some of the best raw talent I've seen in years. I never can understand how a guy can waste that type of ability. If he is eligible the first thing that I would do is not allow him to wear #1.

A number is a number and you do not take away a kids number--that makes the number seem special. I hope everything works out for GJ because he could be one of the best WR's in 2007. Things happen when you are 14-17 that you wish never happened but all the things under the surface are never fixed or handled. GJ is a good kid that made a few mistakes and we need to stick behind him playing or not in IMO!! Page did an excellant job as o-line coach but I think he is no longer in that capacity.

That's one thing that disappoints me about some of our coaches because they see what is going on but use no avenues of fixing the problems. I wish I could just help those kids in Massillon in that capacity before its to late. Practice and lip survice does not fix things---but actions and listening can help.

Sorry Seeker if I broke any rules with this post!!!!

[eyeofthetiger]

what is T.R. heigth and weight ?
THAT ALL I KNO IS HE IS 6' AND SOMEWHERE IN THE 300. SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG ABOUT IT IDK FOR SURE.:thumbsup:

[NFC Coach]

Hi. pardon my ignorance but are these guys seniors, if not what level are they. I am impressed by these numbers, shows good strength any time you get kids into the 1000lb club on your team you have accomplished a great deal toward becoming a Champion

NFC Coach

[MTiger08]

The technique used last year was terrible by the entire line. If we do not correct the line splits, aggressiveness, quickness, and overall desire. I saw players flopping on running plays(going to the knees trying to chop block) and you cannot run block on the gorund. The entire line needs improvement and I hope we do not waste another talented class because our line is below average.


Two things Monte:
1. The entire line was below average? I find that hard to agree with. I don't know what games you were watching but if I was a betting man, I would assume that 95% of the sacks and hurries were sustained by the "Moose" side of the line. Not saying there isn't room for some improvement, there always is, but I think the interior three last year played solid even when Shawn Arnold came in for an injured Obradovich. They didn't play outstandingly great, but solid. Not many sacks or hurries. Therefore I don't see where you come off saying the line is below average.
2. There were a few other players at the combine you failed to mention. I know of at least 3 others that were in attendance and did fairly well. Any word on their numbers? I hear that Seidler and Wachtel were two of the others that were there, can't verify the other but I was informed there were at least 6 Massillon players there.

-:thumbsup: MTiger

[mtownwr22]

relford is about 5'11 and well over 300.

[89tiger]

Honestly; any kid thats 5'11" and over 300lbs. needs to drop some weight! Not for Football; Not for Wrestleing; Just for his physical well being. Bottom line! There are to many kids now-N-days thats "O-Beast" and people like to here of the linemen thats "6'3" 335lbs. or 6'5" 350lbs." The bottom line is, these kids are way over weight and need to look at the long term Health problems it could cause:dead: . Not just for Sports! Ya know? Anybody agree?

[MTiger08]

:iagree:

[monte81]

Two things Monte:
1. The entire line was below average? I find that hard to agree with. I don't know what games you were watching but if I was a betting man, I would assume that 95% of the sacks and hurries were sustained by the "Moose" side of the line. Not saying there isn't room for some improvement, there always is, but I think the interior three last year played solid even when Shawn Arnold came in for an injured Obradovich. They didn't play outstandingly great, but solid. Not many sacks or hurries. Therefore I don't see where you come off saying the line is below average.
2. There were a few other players at the combine you failed to mention. I know of at least 3 others that were in attendance and did fairly well. Any word on their numbers? I hear that Seidler and Wachtel were two of the others that were there, can't verify the other but I was informed there were at least 6 Massillon players there.

-:thumbsup: MTiger

The only game I did not watch in person was the Western Hills game because I knew it would be a slaughter but I was present at all other contests including the playoffs. YES the oline as a whole was below average all season against above average competition because the oline has to play as one cohesive unit to be successful--that did not happen. I will not say names but several starting linemen including the one being recruited right now played many sub par games this season. Although we did have some bright spots to build on IMO and Arnold probably one of the most consistant. The guy I watched the most was Reggie because he would be the most recruited and he was also alittle slow and needs to develop some better footwork for his size. I also think that Yoder would be better utilized as a tackle or blocking TE and allow KJ to be the fullback in the offense.

In the camp times I was only sent some of the best performances and the Maxximum Staff sent them to me. If I can get anymore official numbers from them then I will report them as well.

[MTiger08]

Seen a few of the players at a local restaurant today eating some lunch. The team had their first summer lift/run of the season today. They said that a coach placed seniors Blake Seidler, Reggie Comeaux, and Shawn Arnold as leaders of the oline. Sort of mentors to the younger players. We'll see how the three can take the responsibility.

As for your comments monte, I agree with the fact that there were some players that played under par from time to time, that was brutally obvious as we all seen. However on the year I felt the interior three played decent. I'm not trying to make it out like they're outstanding, not by any means, but I thought they played a little better than you're saying they did. But they need work, I definately agree, I just don't agree with them being in the statement about being below average when some of them played decently.

And I found some information about the other players at the combine. Blake Seidler, a center, Mike Clark a QB, and Marchant Wachtel, a LB, were in attendance. Seidler ran a 5.5 40 yard dash, Wachtel a 4.9, and I'm not sure about Clark's time. Seidler led the offensive lineman in all footwork drills such as the "L-Drill" and pro agility. Clark and Giorgio hooked up frequently in the "1 on 1" segment of the combine. Seidler went 2 for 3 in "1 on 1" for the oline, only losing to a DE from Glenoak. Moose was 2 for 4, also losing to the DE from Glenoak. Moose led in the lifting, benching 225 14 times.

-MTiger