Rose is back in Tigertown

[Die Hard Eric]

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=16790&Category=2

and welcome Al Checca, and Luke Durbin

-dhe

[CarlE]

Geez, LL. Why would anybody be stupid enough to take an Assistant's job from a place that fired him? Nice one, LL.

On a more serious note, welcome back, Coach Rose. We look forward to you strengthening our defense!!

[ChronicTiger]

I am glad Rose is back. No matter your feelings of him as a coach he is a good guy.

:thumbsup:

[Obie Wan]

These look like 3 solid additions to the coaching staff.

:thumbsup:

[Spize]

These look like 3 solid additions to the coaching staff.

:thumbsup:

It is always nice to add assistant coaches that could be a head coach at a lot of other schools. Checca SHOULD be a head coach somewhere, and will only improve as a coach with us, and will improve us that much more. Rose has been a head coach, and I think could still be a head coach, although I think his skill sets will truly shine when he can just coach football without all the other distractions of being a stark county D1 high school head coach. I don't know much about Durbin, but if he is anything like his dad, this could be one of the better coaching staffs we have had in a few years.

[longtimefirsttime]

These look like 3 solid additions to the coaching staff.:thumbsup:

I am VERY pleased with the coaching staff. They all bring a lot to the table. And welcome back Jack.

[bar_tiger]

Ok, I agree that Rose is a very good coach and a great person. But will there be any defensive philosophy conflicts with our excellent defensive coordinator/asst. head coach Steve Kovacs? I'm worried that Stacy is hiring Rose as a back-up in case Kovacs is offered a head coach position after this season? :scratchchin:

[longtimefirsttime]

Then it's not so bad to think ahead. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kovacs get head coaching offers. I'm going to enjoy what we have while we have it. I have confidence the coaches will all have clearly defined duties and will understand those responsibilities.

[pup pounder]

I have not read the article yet.But IS HIS SON COMING??????????????????

[longtimefirsttime]

I have not read the article yet.But IS HIS SON COMING??????????????????

This was a recent note in one of Todd Porter's columns. (I know, I know. It's TP. The usual disclaimer applies)

"If Rose does transfer - and that's a big if - it won't be until after the school year and to a school in which his father gets a coaching job."

[longtimefirsttime]

The Rep story:
http://cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=356060&Category=17&fromSearch=yes&subCategoryID=0

[GoDukes58]

I understand the choices of Checca and Rose, But Luke Durbin blows my mind. Didn't seem very football smart in college, but i guess daddy pulled some strings to get him this one.

[CarlE]

I understand the choices of Checca and Rose, But Luke Durbin blows my mind. Didn't seem very football smart in college, but i guess daddy pulled some strings to get him this one.

And THAT'S your first post on this forum? And what are YOUR qualifications for football knowledge? God, posts like this just piss me off, and no I don't know any one of the people involved in this before you suggest that.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Congrats to all!

Theses additions certainly go a long way to proving to every Tiger fan that coach Stacy, Fred Blosser and others are committed to putting together the best staff, which will give our players an opportunity to be the best team on the field every time we meet an opponent.

[LLRose]

Does anyone have a link to a site that sells crow?

For the record, this is the greatest hire in the history of Tiger football.

[longtimefirsttime]

Jack Rose is a coach who's truly part of a dynasty. :wink:

[slider63]

Coach Rose was on WTIG this morning and said his son has not made a decision on where he will play football next year but he felt his son was leaning towards going to Massillon. He also said he wanted him to make a decision by the end of this school year. Coach Rose said he would be the outside linebackers coach and he was happy to not have all the responsibility that comes with being a head coach. Good luck to the new coaches, Slider, out!!!

[Mass6]

Coach Rose is a great addition for the kids that will be coached under him. He was always a coach you could talk to about anything and made his players very confident in their leader. I was a junior during Coach Rose's last year as head coach and really hated to see him go! Welcome back Coach Rose!

[Kamd50]

Does anyone have a link to a site that sells crow?

For the record, this is the greatest hire in the history of Tiger football.

It would appear that you aren't too familiar with Tiger football history:stars:

Welcome to all the new coaches. The pieces are falling into place.This is going to be one heck of a year:thumbsup:

[CarlE]

Does anyone have a link to a site that sells crow?

For the record, this is the greatest hire in the history of Tiger football.

You're right. This is a way better hire than Paul Brown, Earle Bruce, Chuck Mather, etc. God, do you EVER stop putting your foot in your mouth?

[monte81]

Welcome back to the family Mr. Rose!

I just hope all these pre season adjustments and new additions equate to a 2007 Tiger DI State Title!!!!:rockon:

[TigerLily]

This season just gets more exciting all the time….can hardly wait.

Welcome back Coach Rose to the best football town in world -- “Tigertown”!!!!


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[GoDukes58]

And THAT'S your first post on this forum? And what are YOUR qualifications for football knowledge? God, posts like this just piss me off, and no I don't know any one of the people involved in this before you suggest that.

Just because it is my first post that does not mean i do not follow, but just choose not to respond. Just for the record, I played at Massillon in 2000-2001, and two years of college ball at B-W, where i got to know luke, and from getting to know him he did not seem to understand the game. Does that mean he will not become a good coach, NO, but from what I know the choice does not make sense. Also, the fact that he will be coaching tight ends is interesting since he always played defense.

[LLRose]

You're right. This is a way better hire than Paul Brown, Earle Bruce, Chuck Mather, etc. God, do you EVER stop putting your foot in your mouth?

Lighten up! sarcasm and satire fly over your head at an alarming rate.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

That's very enlightening GoDukes58! "IF" he didn't "seem" to understand the game, perhaps it was you that percieved his ability incorrectly! :scratchchin:

[LLRose]

Just because it is my first post that does not mean i do not follow, but just choose not to respond. Just for the record, I played at Massillon in 2000-2001, and two years of college ball at B-W, where i got to know luke, and from getting to know him he did not seem to understand the game. Does that mean he will not become a good coach, NO, but from what I know the choice does not make sense. Also, the fact that he will be coaching tight ends is interesting since he always played defense.

GoDukes58,
Welcome to the site. Don't mind CarlE he has a terrible personality flaw. He thinks he's always right. I'm looking forward to your future posts. Don't be a stranger.

[TigerCoach]

Just because it is my first post that does not mean i do not follow, but just choose not to respond. Just for the record, I played at Massillon in 2000-2001, and two years of college ball at B-W, where i got to know luke, and from getting to know him he did not seem to understand the game. Does that mean he will not become a good coach, NO, but from what I know the choice does not make sense. Also, the fact that he will be coaching tight ends is interesting since he always played defense.

You seem very qualified to make that judgement. I was thinking the same thing about Charlie Weiss at Notre Dame. That fat loser never played football, why does he think he can coach?

[Spize]

I love this town LOL.

We could hire Tony Dungy and people would post "ya he won a super bowl, but what has he ever done on the high school level"

Welcome back to Massillon Coach Rose.

[GoDukes58]

That's very enlightening GoDukes58! "IF" he didn't "seem" to understand the game, perhaps it was you that percieved his ability incorrectly! :scratchchin:

Quite possibly the case, but i am typically a good judge of a person. It just does not sit right with me to have a young kid with little experience playing and coaching fill this position. I just do not see him offering much to the players.

[The Voice]

Gawd carle are you really that mean!:dance: ALSO.. did somebody ACTUALLY listen to WTIG this morning:oops:

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[TigerswillbeTigers]

GoDukes58! Soooooooooo you're saying there should be an age limit, as well as an experience limit put on those attempting to gain experience, train on the job, and build a resume?

Man am I glad you weren't responsible for giving me a shot when I was 18-22 looking to get my feet wet in the business world!
BTW! I didn't go to college, and I learned valuable life lessons and business skills from those around me. Do you think it's possible he'll learn a great deal from some of the best coaches HS has to offer while relating his lessons to those he's coaching?

[CarlE]

Quite possibly the case, but i am typically a good judge of a person. It just does not sit right with me to have a young kid with little experience playing and coaching fill this position. I just do not see him offering much to the players.

Hey, how are the sour grapes tasting, son?

And LL, (sigh) yet again you head down a path you can't win. Son, why don't you go take your blackened crow, sit in a corner, and start the Coach Rose fan club?

Voice, those that know me the only time I'm mean is when I'm dealing with idiocy. (See paragraphs above). The rest of the time, I'm pretty even-keeled.

I said I KNEW NOBODY involved, so that would certainly dispute LL's claim of me knowing everything. But hell, LL let's NEVER let facts get in the way of your pearls of wisdom.

And quite frankly, and this IS scary, I really do think you BELIEVE that Coach Rose is the best hire ever here. Hell, you said he was too good to be here in the first place, remember big guy? :rockin:

[Kamd50]

I understand the choices of Checca and Rose, But Luke Durbin blows my mind. Didn't seem very football smart in college, but i guess daddy pulled some strings to get him this one.

No offense, but it sounds like this is a personal matter with you whereas your remarks could be considered bias and not entirely fair. Also, you refer to him as a "kid" in another post. Do you then consider yourself a "kid" as well seeing how you were both attended college at the same time period? I think Mr. Durbin should be more appropriately referred to as a young man.

I understand that his father is well respected in coaching circles and that he coached alongside him for a while. It is almost inconceivable under these circumstances, to believe that he doesn't understand the game of football.
We should give him the benefit of the doubt and trust in Coach Stacy's decisions. He may very well be able to provide some sparks of enthusiasm we need on the sidelines that many have complained about the lack thereof in the recent past. The balance of youthful enthusiasm along with the other hires of experienced wisdom should be a good one for our program:2thumbsup:

[CarlE]

Well that sure was a nice, diplomatic response to the Boy with Sour Grapes. I'm impressed!!!

[The Voice]

carle..I was just joshin ya:rockin:

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[massillon catholic]

Its sounds to me like GODUKES 58 was trying to get a job here and Stacy took Durbin instead. Instead of congrats, he wants to spew negativity at him through the shield of a screen name. Come out with who you are, if you want to publicly make negative comments. I thought that this was against the forum rules on MassillonProud.com!!

[LLRose]

Hey, how are the sour grapes tasting, son?

And LL, (sigh) yet again you head down a path you can't win. Son, why don't you go take your blackened crow, sit in a corner, and start the Coach Rose fan club?

Voice, those that know me the only time I'm mean is when I'm dealing with idiocy. (See paragraphs above). The rest of the time, I'm pretty even-keeled.

I said I KNEW NOBODY involved, so that would certainly dispute LL's claim of me knowing everything. But hell, LL let's NEVER let facts get in the way of your pearls of wisdom.

And quite frankly, and this IS scary, I really do think you BELIEVE that Coach Rose is the best hire ever here. Hell, you said he was too good to be here in the first place, remember big guy? :rockin:

I knew the "son", reference was coming. You're so predictable.

[orangeblood]

GoDukes58,
Welcome to the site. Don't mind CarlE he has a terrible personality flaw. He thinks he's always right.
You are just now figuring that out??:no1: :huh: ROFLMAO

[CarlE]

I knew the "son", reference was coming. You're so predictable.

As are you. The difference is that I'm not predictable and ignorant.

[LLRose]

As are you. The difference is that I'm not predictable and ignorant.

No you just don't get it. Everything goes over your head.

You're always the one guy in a room that doesn't get a joke and always needs it explained him. Irony and sarcasm are not your friend.

[CarlE]

No you just don't get it. Everything goes over your head.

You're always the one guy in a room that doesn't get a joke and always needs it explained him. Irony and sarcasm are not your friend.

Whatever, the facts are the facts. You came on here for the last three months talking about how Rose would and wouldn't do this, how Rose wouldn't and no WAY would do that. At the end of the day you got exposed for the ignorant fake that everyone on here knows you are. So, say what you want about me, I'm not the one eating crow and making myself look like a damn fool for the last year and a half. Whew, it always feels good to put dweebs like you in their place. You, quite honestly are getting way too easy though. Actually bordering on pitiful.

[massillon catholic]

No you just don't get it. Everything goes over your head.

You're always the one guy in a room that doesn't get a joke and always needs it explained him. Irony and sarcasm are not your friend.

LL: You shouldn't be so bitter. Everyone on this site told you that Rose was coming back as an Asst. I've read many of your debates with CarlE and to be honest he has got the best of you with superior knowledge. You lose when you can't think of a logical answer and go to cockiness, which never wins.

[CarlE]

Like I said. The boy borders on pitiful.

[GoDukes58]

Its sounds to me like GODUKES 58 was trying to get a job here and Stacy took Durbin instead. Instead of congrats, he wants to spew negativity at him through the shield of a screen name. Come out with who you are, if you want to publicly make negative comments. I thought that this was against the forum rules on MassillonProud.com!!

Truthfully, I could have put mself in a situation to stay involved with Massillon, maybe not as a coach (although I was at LA and the new middle school) but as a teacher, and chose not to. And I never said that I was not happy for him, just that I thought he was underqualified. A lot of people on here have complained in recent years that the coaching staffs have had too many "young" coaches and not enough coaches with experience, but are now congratulating and are extremely happy about such a choice.

[GoDukes58]

GoDukes58! Soooooooooo you're saying there should be an age limit, as well as an experience limit put on those attempting to gain experience, train on the job, and build a resume?

Man am I glad you weren't responsible for giving me a shot when I was 18-22 looking to get my feet wet in the business world!
BTW! I didn't go to college, and I learned valuable life lessons and business skills from those around me. Do you think it's possible he'll learn a great deal from some of the best coaches HS has to offer while relating his lessons to those he's coaching?

Yes I do believe he can and will learn a great deal, but is he worth a paid position? or are there better coaches out there that are worth the contracts? Again, Just MY opinion.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Lets see,
Rose = Experience and Knowledge,
Checca = Experience and Knowledge,
and Durbin = Desire to learn and teach, and youthful exuberance!

You might call that "Meatloaf" as in 2 outta 3 ain't bad, but I call that a Trifecta!

[TigerCoach]

Definitely sounds like a case of jealousy to me, Twbt.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

TC! Unfortunately it's a common trait in those that can't say something nice about others.
I call it the "Rosie syndrome"! It's like Rosie O going off on Elisabeth this week. She can't stand the fact that Elisabeth is cute and she will never have a shot with her! That's what Jealousy will do to a person!

[LLRose]

LL: You shouldn't be so bitter. Everyone on this site told you that Rose was coming back as an Asst. I've read many of your debates with CarlE and to be honest he has got the best of you with superior knowledge. You lose when you can't think of a logical answer and go to cockiness, which never wins.

Bitter? I could care less! Jack wants his son to be a Tiger.

99% of the people trash him then are glad to have him on the staff, you can't have it both ways.

It's 1000 vs. 1 on this site. I make a point and personal attacks fly my way.

The bottom line is I do not take my self seriously like the other guy.

I made the reference about eating crow and a sarcastic statement about being the best hire the Tigers ever made. A joke, a sarcastic joke get it?

One thing that isn't a joke is the value I put on winning a State Championship that will never go away, you can say what ever you want..................... once you win one.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I'll put up $5,000.00 to be donated to the Football booster club if CarlE and LL Rose will agree to go five 3 minute rounds in the squared circle at a MP.com tailgate party this year! I'll even rent the ring and gloves of my choice! 6' ring, 8oz. gloves! :stars:

[TigerswillbeTigers]

LL! I thought your post was humorous regarding Crow and Jack's hiring.
I just wasn't sure if you meant Russell or Cheryl :scratchchin:

[TigerCoach]

:drinkem: I'll buy the Corona's for the party afterwards!:drinkem:

[CarlE]

I'll put up $5,000.00 to be donated to the Football booster club if CarlE and LL Rose will agree to go five 3 minute rounds in the squared circle at a MP.com tailgate party this year! I'll even rent the ring and gloves of my choice! 6' ring, 8oz. gloves! :stars:

Are you kidding me? I don't even get on airplanes for $5K smart-guy!!! LOL.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Then you'll want to walk, or be known as a yella bellied coward! Lol

[massillon catholic]

TC! Unfortunately it's a common trait in those that can't say something nice about others.
I call it the "Rosie syndrome"! It's like Rosie O going off on Elisabeth this week. She can't stand the fact that Elisabeth is cute and she will never have a shot with her! That's what Jealousy will do to a person!


Elisabeth likes men, something Pumkin Head Rosie couldn't get even if she wanted too.

[The Butler]

99% of the people trash him then are glad to have him on the staff, you can't have it both ways.



As an outsider, I've interpreted most of the posts in the "Rose is gone from GO" thread as, he's not a great head coach, but will make a very good assistant for Massillon. That's not having it "both ways", that's two seperate opinions.

[massillon catholic]

Lets see,
Rose = Experience and Knowledge,
Checca = Experience and Knowledge,
and Durbin = Desire to learn and teach, and youthful exuberance!

You might call that "Meatloaf" as in 2 outta 3 ain't bad, but I call that a Trifecta!

You can add: Kovacs and Stacy to your list. This will be a great staff for younger coaches to learn from. Also, Dukes58. I believe the complaints in the past regarding younger coaches was when Shepas was here. He surrounded himself with young inexperienced coaches and refused to listen to experienced ones like Kovacs.

[massillon catholic]

As an outsider, I've interpreted most of the posts in the "Rose is gone from GO" thread as, he's not a great head coach, but will make a very good assistant for Massillon. That's not having it "both ways", that's two seperate opinions.


Great analysis. I believe that most posters on here understood it to be the same as you described.

[GoDukes58]

Definitely sounds like a case of jealousy to me, Twbt.

To reinstate what Ive already said, I do not want to be involved at Massillon. My years playing were enough for me. Although I live in Massillon, I would not want to come back to the high school as a teacher or a coach. So i do not know how I could be jealous of something I do not want.

[massillon catholic]

To reinstate what Ive already said, I do not want to be involved at Massillon. My years playing were enough for me. Although I live in Massillon, I would not want to come back to the high school as a teacher or a coach. So i do not know how I could be jealous of something I do not want.

The reason most believe that you are jealous or have animosity towards the Durbin kid is because of your negative posts. How did you expect them to be intrepreted?

[GoDukes58]

You can add: Kovacs and Stacy to your list. This will be a great staff for younger coaches to learn from. Also, Dukes58. I believe the complaints in the past regarding younger coaches was when Shepas was here. He surrounded himself with young inexperienced coaches and refused to listen to experienced ones like Kovacs.

And it worked well until the COMMUNITY snd then the players quit believing in the program.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I'm just glad my Neurosurgeon was required to do his internship and do his residency in addition to going to college prior to performing surgery on me!

[GoDukes58]

I'm just glad my Neurosurgeon was required to do his internship and do his residency in addition to going to college prior to performing surgery on me!

I may be wrong, but do they get paid ofr these, because I dont think so? Again LD not worth the money.

[massillon catholic]

I may be wrong, but do they get paid ofr these, because I dont think so? Again LD not worth the money.

Keep in mind, Dukes58. Jack had an option to take himself and his son to Lake. This could have been a package deal. Even, if the Durbin kid is "underqualified" as you suggest. If it meant getting Jack and his son. Its worth the deal. I have no information that this occured, I'm only providing and alternative to perhaps squelch Dukes58.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Why would they pay ofr! I thought he was a dagum golf club maker! :doh:









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[LLRose]

LL! I thought your post was humorous regarding Crow and Jack's hiring.
I just wasn't sure if you meant Russell or Cheryl :scratchchin:

Now that is a quality post

[GoDukes58]

Keep in mind, Dukes58. Jack had an option to take himself and his son to Lake. This could have been a package deal. Even, if the Durbin kid is "underqualified" as you suggest. If it meant getting Jack and his son. Its worth the deal. I have no information that this occured, I'm only providing and alternative to perhaps squelch Dukes58.

What about the homegrown Massillon products that these transfers kick out by coming in, re we that desperate that we offer coaching positions to get a kid to come here. Now nothing against Rose and if his son wants to come great, but do we have to "pay" to get him here.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

LL! Since we're all trying to find the humor and sarcasm in each others posts I knew you would get it!
Thanks :thumbsup:

[DAWGH8R]

I'll put up $5,000.00 to be donated to the Football booster club if CarlE and LL Rose will agree to go five 3 minute rounds in the squared circle at a MP.com tailgate party this year! I'll even rent the ring and gloves of my choice! 6' ring, 8oz. gloves! :stars:



I'll run the satellite,........ of course !!!:dance:

[massillon catholic]

What about the homegrown Massillon products that these transfers kick out by coming in, re we that desperate that we offer coaching positions to get a kid to come here. Now nothing against Rose and if his son wants to come great, but do we have to "pay" to get him here.


Now the truth is starting to come out!

[GoDukes58]

Now the truth is starting to come out!

What truth do you want? Because if you are thinking that I was kicked out you are wrong. 3 letters and 2 year starter at Massillon.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Ah, the old "transfers are kicking out" the Massillon home grown kid card is being played for the 10,239,781 time!

You sound like this is a current phenomenon being perpetrated by Stacy and a willing administration.

Offenbecher
DeWitz
Spielman
What's the common denominator GoDukes?

[LLRose]

To reinstate what Ive already said, I do not want to be involved at Massillon. My years playing were enough for me. Although I live in Massillon, I would not want to come back to the high school as a teacher or a coach. So i do not know how I could be jealous of something I do not want.

You don't have to defend yourself. You're the only one on this site that has first hand knowledge of the football IQ of the new assistant coach*

*disclaimer- He could be full of crap and taking a personal shot at someone he knows or doesn't know, no way to confirm

[TigerswillbeTigers]

BTW! "IF" Matt Rose plays at Massillon would you consider him a "transfer" taking a Massillon kids position, or a kid that grew up watching his dad walk the sidelines of PBTS as the head coach of the team he might want to play for.
I think there's a distict difference in this particular case.

[massillon catholic]

What truth do you want? Because if you are thinking that I was kicked out you are wrong. 3 letters and 2 year starter at Massillon.

Who said anything about you being kicked out?

[GoDukes58]

Ah, the old "transfers are kicking out" the Massillon home grown kid card is being played for the 10,239,781 time!

You sound like this is a current phenomenon being perpetrated by Stacy and a willing administration.

Offenbecher
DeWitz
Spielman
What's the common denominator GoDukes?

All great players, but isn't Offenbecher the only one that actually cared enough to do things for massillon after his playing years.

[massillon catholic]

BTW! "IF" Matt Rose plays at Massillon would you consider him a "transfer" taking a Massillon kids position, or a kid that grew up watching his dad walk the sidelines of PBTS as the head coach of the team he might want to play for.
I think there's a distict difference in this particular case.

TWBT: No sense and trying to justify our position. Its like beating your head against the wall. He just doesn't get it and has some internal dislike for the program. He obviously believes that he was wronged somehow, but just isn't saying what that might be.

[CarlE]

TWBT: No sense and trying to justify our position. Its like beating your head against the wall. He just doesn't get it and has some internal dislike for the program. He obviously believes that he was wronged somehow, but just isn't saying what that might be.

Exactly. You're dealing with two guys here that talk in puzzles and NEVER put any substance behind any of their posts. You might as well go talk to a freaking telephone pole. You'll have better results.

[massillon catholic]

Exactly. You're dealing with two guys here that talk in puzzles and NEVER put any substance behind any of their posts. You might as well go talk to a freaking telephone pole. You'll have better results.


Perhaps, if he divulages his reasons for his ill feelings we may have a better understanding of the situation. However, he has put forth no "factual" evidence of Durbin other than a off-the-wall statement about their days in college. Give us some hard core facts!

[GoDukes58]

TWBT: No sense and trying to justify our position. Its like beating your head against the wall. He just doesn't get it and has some internal dislike for the program. He obviously believes that he was wronged somehow, but just isn't saying what that might be.

I did not bring up Rose transferring, it was mentioned as being a deal to get Matt by hiring Durbin. And I do not have any dislike for the program, as a matter of fact I was a season ticket holder until last year and LOVE Massillon and its football team, the hire just does not make sense to me. I simply made a statement off of personal knowledge, and everyone here blows it out of proportion. I want Massillon to bring home a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP as much as anyone on here, I just find it hard to believe that from my relationship with Luke that this was a good hire, and that is my OPINION. I never said anyone on here had to agree with me or feel the same way, and it does not bother me any way.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

GoDukes58!

I really hate to do this but I must admit that I knew you couldn't figure out the common denominator that I was referring to.
Offenbecher
DeWitz
Spielman
were coaches that came to Massillon and taught and coached football among other duties, for money, and yes they even had sons that were pretty darn good football players too!

[massillon catholic]

I did not bring up Rose transferring, it was mentioned as being a deal to get Matt by hiring Durbin. And I do not have any dislike for the program, as a matter of fact I was a season ticket holder until last year and LOVE Massillon and its football team, the hire just does not make sense to me. I simply made a statement off of personal knowledge, and everyone here blows it out of proportion. I want Massillon to bring home a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP as much as anyone on here, I just find it hard to believe that from my relationship with Luke that this was a good hire, and that is my OPINION. I never said anyone on here had to agree with me or feel the same way, and it does not bother me any way.

You were a season-ticket holder for 5 years, still live in Massillon, but don't have season-tickets anymore. Something had to have happened for you to not give Durbin a chance. I believe, IMO, that you attempted to get a job here at some point and didn't get it. You feel that you were qualified and now a job is given to someone who you feel is underqualified or not as good as you believe you are. And, that's fine if that is your position. But, your explanation of the relationship between you and Luke didn't provide enough detail for the posters on here to feel any other way, than you had sour grapes over his hiring. Give us some concrete information on why you believe that Durbin is underqualied. Also, he's going to coach TE's. I don't think we even threw a pass to the tight-ends last year. Its not like he's the OC

[GoDukes58]

GoDukes58!

I really hate to do this but I must admit that I knew you couldn't figure out the common denominator that I was referring to.
Offenbecher
DeWitz
Spielman
were coaches that came to Massillon and taught and coached football among other duties, for money, and yes they even had sons that were pretty darn good football players too!

So I misunderstood what generation of the names you were referring to, but the mention of the package deal was pay 2 coaches for 1 player, and that does not make sense.

[massillon catholic]

So I misunderstood what generation of the names you were referring to, but the mention of the package deal was pay 2 coaches for 1 player, and that does not make sense.

Wrong again. The package deal of getting a coach and his son was worth bringing another asst. if thats what it took to close the deal. I threw this out only as a possibilty, nothing more.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

BTW 58! I have no problem with you or your opinion. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure you're a real good guy with a passion for the Tigers and the community which is evident by your comments and persistence with regards to what you believe.
My only point from the begining has been that I think it's wrong to come on here the day the coaching additions are announced and trash a guy that can't, and more than likely wouldn't defend himself in this forum if he could!

Keep bringing your passion and don't take any of this too seriously. That comes from someone who used to and never will again!

[GoDukes58]

You were a season-ticket holder for 5 years, still live in Massillon, but don't have season-tickets anymore. Something had to have happened for you to not give Durbin a chance. I believe, IMO, that you attempted to get a job here at some point and didn't get it. You feel that you were qualified and now a job is given to someone who you feel is underqualified or not as good as you believe you are. And, that's fine if that is your position. But, your explanation of the relationship between you and Luke didn't provide enough detail for the posters on here to feel any other way, than you had sour grapes over his hiring. Give us some concrete information on why you believe that Durbin is underqualied. Also, he's going to coach TE's. I don't think we even threw a pass to the tight-ends last year. Its not like he's the OC

As I already said, I have never tried to get a job and do not want to get a job. I was a player, moved on, and tried to get invovled again with the program through the Middle school, and realized that life is more than Massillon Football, so chose not try and get a teaching job when one was open or return as a coach in the program. As far as giving Durbin a chance, the only one that can do that is doing it. In college, Luke did not seem to understand the ins and outs, ex being able to read offenses and make calls(he was a linebacker), or understand defensive schemes and blitzes. Now that was as a player, which is how i know him, and not as a coach, which on some rare occasions can be diffeent. Your TE's comment is somewhat understandable, but if we do not use TE's, than why do we need a coach for them?

[GoDukes58]

BTW 58! I have no problem with you or your opinion. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure you're a real good guy with a passion for the Tigers and the community which is evident by your comments and persistence with regards to what you believe.
My only point from the begining has been that I think it's wrong to come on here the day the coaching additions are announced and trash a guy that can't, and more than likely wouldn't defend himself in this forum if he could!

Keep bringing your passion and don't take any of this too seriously. That comes from someone who used to and never will again!

I never trashed Luke, I trashed the HIRE, the fact that it is a PAID job. Is he the best for the money?

[TigerswillbeTigers]

GoDukes58!
With all due respect, I'm going to re-type your words, from your very first post regarding this situation and I'll allow you any opportunity to convince me who it was that you were "trashing"!

"But Luke Durbin blows my mind. Didn't seem very football smart in college, but i guess daddy pulled some strings to get him this one".

Now I could be wrong, but it certainly appears that your comments are "trashing" Luke and his "daddy". Not the hire!

Furthermore, I think you'll find other examples of "trashing" Luke if you take the time to re-read your own posts, instead of myself or others cuting and pasting them for your convenience.

[DAWGH8R]

Ah, the old "transfers are kicking out" the Massillon home grown kid card is being played for the 10,239,781 time!

You sound like this is a current phenomenon being perpetrated by Stacy and a willing administration.

Offenbecher
DeWitz
Spielman
What's the common denominator GoDukes?

Didn't the Offenbezzler deal cost past Booster Club President Ron Wright's son , the starting QB job ????

Having DeWitz and Spielman at the same time , was definately instrumental to the success of the early 80's TIGERS !! :ERS2:

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I think you're right Dawg, and if my memory serves me, the young man that lost his job to Offenbecher was being recruited by OSU, ND, Michigan, USC, LSU and Penn State, and Offenbecher only made ALL Ohio and got a full ride to Wake Forest for his efforts in a Tiger uniform.

[tigers15]

what is rose coachin i dont think it said????

[massillon catholic]

As I already said, I have never tried to get a job and do not want to get a job. I was a player, moved on, and tried to get invovled again with the program through the Middle school, and realized that life is more than Massillon Football, so chose not try and get a teaching job when one was open or return as a coach in the program. As far as giving Durbin a chance, the only one that can do that is doing it. In college, Luke did not seem to understand the ins and outs, ex being able to read offenses and make calls(he was a linebacker), or understand defensive schemes and blitzes. Now that was as a player, which is how i know him, and not as a coach, which on some rare occasions can be diffeent. Your TE's comment is somewhat understandable, but if we do not use TE's, than why do we need a coach for them?

Dukes58: I know of many great coaches who were bad players. In fact, I find that most good players who go into coaching aren't as good as the bad player who went into coaching.

[GoDukes58]

Dukes58: I know of many great coaches who were bad players. In fact, I find that most good players who go into coaching aren't as good as the bad player who went into coaching.

Examples?

[massillon catholic]

Examples?


Bill Cowher, Maurice Carthon, Bud Grant, John Madden, Tom Landry, Jon Gruden, Karl Durrel, Jeff Jones, Sam Wyche.

[PainlessPaulus]

Ok, I agree that Rose is a very good coach and a great person. But will there be any defensive philosophy conflicts with our excellent defensive coordinator/asst. head coach Steve Kovacs? I'm worried that Stacy is hiring Rose as a back-up in case Kovacs is offered a head coach position after this season? :scratchchin:

Why would Kovacs or any of these guys leave "High School Coaching Heaven"?

doug

[massillon catholic]

Ok, I agree that Rose is a very good coach and a great person. But will there be any defensive philosophy conflicts with our excellent defensive coordinator/asst. head coach Steve Kovacs? I'm worried that Stacy is hiring Rose as a back-up in case Kovacs is offered a head coach position after this season? :scratchchin:


Kovacs was great at Mck and to my knowledge didn't get a HC job. What makes you so sure he's going to now?

[Obie Wan]

I know of many great coaches who were bad players.


Examples?
Bill Cowher, Maurice Carthon, Bud Grant, John Madden, Tom Landry, Jon Gruden, Karl Durrel, Jeff Jones, Sam Wyche.
I find it hard to say that anyone with a multi-year NFL career was a "bad" player.

[CarlE]

I find it hard to say that anyone with a multi-year NFL career was a "bad" player.

Perhaps not "bad" players Wan but maybe just not as well known as players as they were/are known as coaches.

[massillon catholic]

I find it hard to say that anyone with a multi-year NFL career was a "bad" player.

Tim Couch, Clifford Charlton, Courtney Brown, Mike Junkin and these bums just played for one team.

[massillon catholic]

Perhaps not "bad" players Wan but maybe just not as well known as players as they were/are known as coaches.

Thanks CarlE, those are the words that I should have used in my post. I was dealing with Dukes58 and figured that he may not be able to visualize an area between good and bad, so I just made it "bad players" to avoid further debate with him.