"Tiger staff gets new assignments"

[longtimefirsttime]

http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=16472&Category=2

Two important excerpts:
"As for Garcia’s other spot on the staff – as inside linebackers coach – that has yet to be filled. Stacy said he has an individual in mind, but isn’t prepared to release that information pending approval."

"Stacy continues to be pleased with the academic progress his players are making as well. He reported the team’s grade-point average for the third nine weeks at 2.616, which met the goal for a 2.6 average."

[massillon catholic]

http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=16472&Category=2

Two important excerpts:
"As for Garcia’s other spot on the staff – as inside linebackers coach – that has yet to be filled. Stacy said he has an individual in mind, but isn’t prepared to release that information pending approval."

"Stacy continues to be pleased with the academic progress his players are making as well. He reported the team’s grade-point average for the third nine weeks at 2.616, which met the goal for a 2.6 average."



I expect the LB Coach to be Al Checca

[crackerman]

Maybe I look at things a little different. Possibly the most telling thing for next year's team could be that the highest bench press on the team is 315. Not saying that benching is the most important thing, I just thought we would have someone way higher than that at a school like Massillon.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

We do!

Unfortunately He's a Tuba player!

[MassFan3]

(A) Not all of the players had all of their lifts recorded - many were missing. I have witnessed numerous players on our team exceed 315 without question.

(B) In my opinion (I'm not exactly alone) the bench press is the most over-rated, worthless lift in football...ask any real strength guru. It helps to an extent in blocking and moving people away from your body, but other than that, it's basically just a "measuring" tool if anything. Now the SQUAT and leg press and cleans are the things I am more interested in, personally. You must use your whole body for those lifts.

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[massillon catholic]

Maybe I look at things a little different. Possibly the most telling thing for next year's team could be that the highest bench press on the team is 315. Not saying that benching is the most important thing, I just thought we would have someone way higher than that at a school like Massillon.

Didn't the kid that lifted 315 actually weigh 380? Our off-seasons haven't been to good under Stacy, IMO.

[TigerCoach]

Maybe I look at things a little different. Possibly the most telling thing for next year's team could be that the highest bench press on the team is 315. Not saying that benching is the most important thing, I just thought we would have someone way higher than that at a school like Massillon.

That was with 1 hand.

[tiger51]

Didn't the kid that lifted 315 actually weigh 380? Our off-seasons haven't been to good under Stacy, IMO.

How do you justify that statement?

[OTC TIGER]

Give me 11 guys that can get to the football and tackle properly and I'll show
you a team that wins alot of games...It's about SPEED

[1600TigerFan]

Its about SPEED, STRENGTH & SMARTS.....................I was a bit disturbed by the bench presses reported also, and yes I know the CLEAN and SQUAT are more important, but I can argue the 40 yd dash is irrelevant also. I would like to go to the lift a thon and see what our "starters" are able to do, if a kid can bench 300 lbs or runs a 4.5 forty yd dash and isnt a starter then does it really matter.

OTC - I really like the "tackle properly" insert you put there !!!!!

[Red50Go]

How do you justify that statement?

Stacy's own words. He was disappointed in the off-season program prior to last season (his 1st at the helm), and even moreso this offseason. Not comparing Stacy to Shep but he & Stu were really into it. Probably more of a testament to Steve Studer than anything - God bless him.

[1600TigerFan]

But you have to agree that Stacys' free agent signings have been a lot better than Shepas'

[monte81]

Its about SPEED, STRENGTH & SMARTS.....................I was a bit disturbed by the bench presses reported also, and yes I know the CLEAN and SQUAT are more important, but I can argue the 40 yd dash is irrelevant also. I would like to go to the lift a thon and see what our "starters" are able to do, if a kid can bench 300 lbs or runs a 4.5 forty yd dash and isnt a starter then does it really matter.

OTC - I really like the "tackle properly" insert you put there !!!!!


Iwas disturbed by the bench press as well because normally if they are low all the other aspects of the players conditioning and weight training are low. However if you got a kid who can bench 300 and runs a 4.5 than 9 times out of 10 he is a player and starts for our team. I find it hard to believe that we still have dedication and conditioning problems in our system. It's ways to motivate players to come to the gym and workout. All the talent we have and it would be an unlawful shame for us to waste it because our team has no heart or compassion for a program that gives them everything to succeed!! On paper we look like beasts but you still have to play every game. DO WE HAVE ANY IN YOUR FACE COACHES TO MAKE THE PLAYERS FALL IN LINE???? Captains or leaders??? I never had to talk a teammate into working hard in the off season and if you have to talk a player into working out than we do not need him at all---if we did Jarvis, Stu, Lectivitis would tell you that your playing time would suffer bad because attendance is mandatory but not mandatory!!

We hire all these asst coaches with big names and resumes but with little results. Earn that money or move out the way! It is people who can get the players to perform. This senior class is really disappointing because they lacked desire which hendered us a year ago and Stacy seems to just let them have the "I dont care attitude" in 2007 as well.

GO HARD OR GO AWAY!!!!!!

[1600TigerFan]

Iwas disturbed by the bench press as well because normally if they are low all the other aspects of the players conditioning and weight training are low. However if you got a kid who can bench 300 and runs a 4.5 than 9 times out of 10 he is a player and starts for our team. I find it hard to believe that we still have dedication and conditioning problems in our system. It's ways to motivate players to come to the gym and workout. All the talent we have and it would be an unlawful shame for us to waste it because our team has no heart or compassion for a program that gives them everything to succeed!! On paper we look like beasts but you still have to play every game. DO WE HAVE ANY IN YOUR FACE COACHES TO MAKE THE PLAYERS FALL IN LINE???? Captains or leaders??? I never had to talk a teammate into working hard in the off season and if you have to talk a player into working out than we do not need him at all---if we did Jarvis, Stu, Lectivitis would tell you that your playing time would suffer bad because attendance is mandatory but not mandatory!!

We hire all these asst coaches with big names and resumes but with little results. Earn that money or move out the way! It is people who can get the players to perform. This senior class is really disappointing because they lacked desire which hendered us a year ago and Stacy seems to just let them have the "I dont care attitude" in 2007 as well.

GO HARD OR GO AWAY!!!!!!

IF he benches 300 AND runs a 4.5 forty then he better start, however I believe I said benches 300 OR runs a 4.6 forty not both. To answer your other question, I know a candidate that would love to be able to get out there and get in the faces of these young TIGERS, I just hope he gets a shot.

[monte81]

IF he benches 300 AND runs a 4.5 forty then he better start, however I believe I said benches 300 OR runs a 4.6 forty not both. To answer your other question, I know a candidate that would love to be able to get out there and get in the faces of these young TIGERS, I just hope he gets a shot.


I understood what you said and most kids who lift well or runs well in the vicinity suggested SHOULD start but who knows. Its kids who are all-ohio that won't even take the time to play, go to school, or just flat out do not want it bad enough!!

I know a few that deserve a shot at coaching but ALOT NEVER get that shot. I hope at least DH gets a chance but one is not enough!!!

[1600TigerFan]

I agree, we always seem to have at least one gifted athlete who just glide by and it is frustrating. I agree one fiery coach isnt enough, but hopefully it would build fire w/i the staff too..................................either way, I'll be in the stands cheering and so will my future TIGER!

[classof65]

Maybe it's time to get another "bleeds orange and black" ex-Tiger on the staff. Not just someone whose sole qualification is that they played for the Tigers but instead someone who has gone on and paid their dues building their coaching skills at other programs.

We lost Jeff Huffman and with him went one of the last who truly knows that speed and strength are important but also that's what is inside the player's heart is just as important at the high school level.

I think we have a good staff from a knowledge standpoint but face facts, we're a small Division I school. Even with transfers, we don't have an unlimited talent pool each year. Some of the veteran ex-Tigers (not a young kid who played in the last five or so years) need to be on that staff because they can coach the intangibles from the experience of wearing the orange and black. The days when being a Massillon Tiger meant you made and took no excuses for losing.

[Banks]

Maybe it's time to get another "bleeds orange and black" ex-Tiger on the staff. Not just someone whose sole qualification is that they played for the Tigers but instead someone who has gone on and paid their dues building their coaching skills at other programs.

We lost Jeff Huffman and with him went one of the last who truly knows that speed and strength are important but also that's what is inside the player's heart is just as important at the high school level.

I think we have a good staff from a knowledge standpoint but face facts, we're a small Division I school. Even with transfers, we don't have an unlimited talent pool each year. Some of the veteran ex-Tigers (not a young kid who played in the last five or so years) need to be on that staff because they can coach the intangibles from the experience of wearing the orange and black. The days when being a Massillon Tiger meant you made and took no excuses for losing.


WOW if that isn't the truth!
Well said Class of 65

I seem to remember when we would lose a game it was just about the worst feeling in the world.
Didn't leave the house on Saturdays!
It was just terrible!

[massillon catholic]

Maybe it's time to get another "bleeds orange and black" ex-Tiger on the staff. Not just someone whose sole qualification is that they played for the Tigers but instead someone who has gone on and paid their dues building their coaching skills at other programs.

We lost Jeff Huffman and with him went one of the last who truly knows that speed and strength are important but also that's what is inside the player's heart is just as important at the high school level.

I think we have a good staff from a knowledge standpoint but face facts, we're a small Division I school. Even with transfers, we don't have an unlimited talent pool each year. Some of the veteran ex-Tigers (not a young kid who played in the last five or so years) need to be on that staff because they can coach the intangibles from the experience of wearing the orange and black. The days when being a Massillon Tiger meant you made and took no excuses for losing.

IMO, it is imperative that we have some old Tiger players on the staff. We need those to put a "fire" under some that may need it. Also, it is invaluable to have ex-players who have experienced the Mck game, it is not the same as any other big game. It is beyond me why Stacy and Shepas for that matter, refuse to bring back Hackenbracht and/or BJ Payne. One cannot merely join the staff and understand FULLY what it takes to be a MASSILLON TIGER!

[dirtybear]

IMO, it is imperative that we have some old Tiger players on the staff. We need those to put a "fire" under some that may need it. Also, it is invaluable to have ex-players who have experienced the Mck game, it is not the same as any other big game. It is beyond me why Stacy and Shepas for that matter, refuse to bring back Hackenbracht and/or BJ Payne. One cannot merely join the staff and understand FULLY what it takes to be a MASSILLON TIGER!

When Shepas was here the kids where surrounded with ex players Pierce, Martin, Pachis, Salvino and Huffman.

[1600TigerFan]

thats a two headed monster now though because there needs to be teaching positions available too.

[classof65]

Coach Kaple and others didn't have teaching jobs here. Of course it is preferable but not a requirement.

I guess my age is showing here but at least three of the names mentioned are ex-Tiger players but not Massillon kids. One is from Coshocton, one is from Perry and the other is from North Carolina. I'll agree they all became Tigers but my point is the need for a coach who is old enough to have actually lived right here in Massillon during the old days when my statement about making and taking no excuses for losing was a way of life. That attitude has been fading a little at a time for over 35 years now.

I know people will claim it's a different world today but that's because we let it be. There are certain truths that cannot be compromised for justifying failure. Certainly one of them is that we have not seen the "selling out" mentality among enough of our players for too long. Possibly a coach who will not make or take excuses for "falling a little short" because he has lived here when that was the unchangeable truth is what is needed.

[monte81]

Coach Kaple and others didn't have teaching jobs here. Of course it is preferable but not a requirement.

I guess my age is showing here but at least three of the names mentioned are ex-Tiger players but not Massillon kids. One is from Coshocton, one is from Perry and the other is from North Carolina. I'll agree they all became Tigers but my point is the need for a coach who is old enough to have actually lived right here in Massillon during the old days when my statement about making and taking no excuses for losing was a way of life. That attitude has been fading a little at a time for over 35 years now.

I know people will claim it's a different world today but that's because we let it be. There are certain truths that cannot be compromised for justifying failure. Certainly one of them is that we have not seen the "selling out" mentality among enough of our players for too long. Possibly a coach who will not make or take excuses for "falling a little short" because he has lived here when that was the unchangeable truth is what is needed.

Alot of us that played and killed our bodies for MASSILLON in the 80's resent that statement you made about 35 years of a fading attitude. In the late 80's our teams learned 3 differant offenses under 3 HC's from 8th grade until graduation and kept fighting and clawing for a chance to bring one home. In 1988 was it our fault we were suspended from the playoffs after busting our butts to bring the tradition back--- we started bringing the program back and "old school" ways took our dream trying to boost or recruit a team in 1984-86 that just could not cut it or play with the big boys. In 1987 Moronto's last year we started a comeback alittle but still had the fatboy transfers and the weight over speed thought process!! You look back at the 1988-91 teams and tell me we did not bring pain to any team we faced and played 100% tiger football all the time!! DO NOT GROUP 35 YEARS TOGETHER BECUASE ITS NOT HOW IT WAS!!!! I know the 1979-83 teams feel the damn way because they went hard all day as well!!!

We have a fiery old school coach that commanded those defenses but they have delegated to track coach----dumb!!!!

[Kamd50]

Very good and justifiable post:thumbsup:

[TigerswillbeTigers]

With all due respect, if the formula for winning a state championship was having "Orange and Black bleeding ex-Tiger coaches" on the staff then Massillon would have about 10 playoff titles. I just don't get this argument that comes up every year. The fact of the matter is there's plenty of other resources around our program and the community that influence the players (good or bad) with stories of the past, references to the tradition, explanations of what being a TIGER is all about, and who to look up to when carving out the players own place in Tiger history.
The organizations like the booster club, sideliners and orangemen that are involved with our program are second to none not only in the high school ranks, but in some colleges as well.
The bottom line is talent and coaching win championships. With out one or the other your doomed to fail, and every time we've had a chance to win a championship we've ran into a more talented team that had solid coaching, or an equally talented team that had solid coaching and made the big plays necessary to win.
The one intangiable that can assist a team in it's quest for a championship is a strong fan base that imposes their will on the team by supporting them vigorously at every opportunity with class and dignity.

Lets just allow coach Stacy the opportunity to make decisions that he feels are best for his staff and his players knowing full well that he wants to win a CHAMPIONSHIP at Massillon as much as anybody in Massillon! :TIG2:

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Let me also ad that the former players that live in the community and those that don't also have a great influence on the players of today and tomorrow when interacting with them, and they do a great job of explaining what to expect when the young men wear the Orange and Black much like Monte has mentioned regarding his own interaction with guys like Shawn and even DeVoe!

[dirtybear]

Everyone is talking about coach this coach that, I can't recall any coach saying anything to me that made me play HARD. It starts at home, if your son wasn't tough in flag football, midget football or jr high then it don't matter if the greatest coach in the world talks to him. He's not going to be the player you want him to be. If a kid has parents that makes it easy for there kids, what do you think that the kid is doing in school. They are looking for the easy way out. On the other hand if your kid is that type of player that works hard then have him around other kids that are just like him.

[monte81]

With all due respect, if the formula for winning a state championship was having "Orange and Black bleeding ex-Tiger coaches" on the staff then Massillon would have about 10 playoff titles. I just don't get this argument that comes up every year. The fact of the matter is there's plenty of other resources around our program and the community that influence the players (good or bad) with stories of the past, references to the tradition, explanations of what being a TIGER is all about, and who to look up to when carving out the players own place in Tiger history.
The organizations like the booster club, sideliners and orangemen that are involved with our program are second to none not only in the high school ranks, but in some colleges as well.
The bottom line is talent and coaching win championships. With out one or the other your doomed to fail, and every time we've had a chance to win a championship we've ran into a more talented team that had solid coaching, or an equally talented team that had solid coaching and made the big plays necessary to win.
The one intangiable that can assist a team in it's quest for a championship is a strong fan base that imposes their will on the team by supporting them vigorously at every opportunity with class and dignity.

Lets just allow coach Stacy the opportunity to make decisions that he feels are best for his staff and his players knowing full well that he wants to win a CHAMPIONSHIP at Massillon as much as anybody in Massillon! :TIG2:

With all due respect to your post that we would of won 10 championships does not really matter becuase we will never know. How many quality ex-tiger assts. did we push out the door or let go to other programs for no aparent reason? you can have a young ex-tiger in the coaching ranks that has fire but lacks coaching fundametals and have experienced coaches that use Massillon as a stepping stone-- we have to find a median. IMO we need a HC and staff that just wants to coach Massillon football and content to be at our school for the long term and until we get a coach dedicated and our admin deserves a long term contract and can turn the program completely around than it may happen(championship) once or go real deep but to maintain the formaula we need COMPLETE DEDICATION TO THE PROGRAM FROM THE STAFF!
Stacy is a good coach and our staff is good as well but having a few more tigers on the staff instead of the coaches looking for a career builder could keep us at a championship level!!(Iggy is an example--same coaches for years and disciplined players) How long before Stacy jumps ship for a better job in the college ranks and we are back to square one? I say within 2 years---- any bets?? We have had many ex tigers on the staff that could have been a solid HC for our program that would have been satisfied with the Massillon career job. Back in the day every asst. coach we had played or grew up in the system and it made a big differance. They were not teachers either just stipened coaches in town who knew how to motivate tigers.
You mentioned fan base but the fans and booster clubs are the 1st to exile a coach instead of trying to keep a coach long term for our future stability and success. Stacy + some 1980's and early 90's coaches would bring us to the promise land and keep us on the top tier with less down slides and we will never have to question a teams work ethic and play. Older coaches have seem to have lost that in your face coaching that breeds champions.

Whitfield, Lec, James, Huffman, Ifentedies, Daniels, Jarvis, Stu, Kieth Herring---all replaced by non tigers for the most part when we could of groomed tigers to replace them. How long did you think those coaches were going to coach--50 years?? Tim Manion should be on the staff right now along with others who can make a true tiger differance in any year!!

All that and I still feel that the 2007 tigers are big time contenders for the title if they are dedicated and team oriented.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Monte!
I think you missed the majority of my points. I just don't subscribe to the theory that success in Massillon is directly proportionate to how many "Orange and Black bleeding" coaches are on the staff, and I do agree that there's a number of Tiger supporters that will and have turned their backs on the Head coach, staff and team, but that's not the people that I was referring to in my previous post when I metioned the groups, organizations and fans that do conduct themselves with class and dignity, and will always support this team and it's staff no matter what!

To your point, do I think it's a positive to have former players on staff and around the players socially? ABSOLUTELY! I just don'y buy in to the "We'll win a CHAMPIONSHIP as soon as we have a "Orange and Black bleeding former player" as a head coach, a staff full of them, and a bunch of "home grown" kids on the field.
To your point about Tim, I concur completely and he's been there in the past, but what you need to understand is, he's git a career and a life outside of the Tiger program much like several other former players that "BLEED ORANGE and BLACK"!
The Hacks, and B.J.'s of this debate are excellent examples of former players thhat should, and perhaps in the future, will have an opportunity to be a big part of this program.
I still say lets trust coach Stacy on this one!!!

[TigerCoach]

I agree with Twbt, but let me add this wrinkle, I didn't play hard because of who the Head Coach (Mike Currence) was at all. I played hard for myself, my brothers, my parents, my teammates, the Tiger fans and my fellow student body. I sincerely think I learned more about football at Lorin Andrews than at WHS from him. I did have Jim Lectavits and Dale Walterhouse as position coaches, and I wanted to play well for them, but mainly I wanted to do well because of my competitive standards.

Even in college, my main motivation was to play hard and play my best for MY TEAMMATES, then myself and my family before the coaches. Bottom line, if the kids need the coaches to motivate them, they probably should go sit in the stands.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Well said, and that's exactly what I'm talking about. This is an example of a former player that grew up in Massillon and GOT IT from the time he was a little guy and needed nobody to preach to him daily in HS about the tradition of Massillon.

PRIDE, DESIRE, COMPETITIVE SPIRIT, BROTHERHOOD and COMMITMENT!

[classof65]

35+ years of woulda, coulda, shoulda. You make my point exactly. Maybe you feel you "busted your butt" and probably did but did everyone on the team do the same? As Bob Commings said: "If you can look in the mirror and say there was not one more thing I could have done, then to hell with everybody else". My comments are not an attack on any specific year's team or player.

I am not so naiive as to think we should have won 25 state championships in the last 35 years but with our program, facilities, booster organizations and community support I cannot accept the best we could ever hope to be in all those years is the 1st loser (runner up).

TWBT, I understand where you're coming from with the "ex-Tiger" comment. At one time we had (IMO) too many ex-Tigers on the staff who became complacent because they had no desire to move on and didn't want to rock the boat.

Everything we've tried as a makeup of the staff has not achieved the ultimate
goal. Coach Stacy has endorsed the Booster Club's mission for this year which is "Uphold the Tradition". Just what is the tradition today's players remember other than a bunch of stories from a time before they were even thought of? How many of our coaching staff can relate to the power of motivation to be a Massillon Tiger and what that really means?

The days of intimidation by reputation are gone for us and my hope is that maybe adding a coach here or there who can relate those stories in person from a person who has been there can be helpful.

With the completion of the D.R.E.A.M. project we will soon be able to attest to the fact that there is NO OTHER high school football program with any better facilities. The challenge then places the responsibility directly on the players, coaches and fans for the attainment of the make and take no excuses mantra.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Class of 65,
You are correct! The "intimidation by reputation" left PBTS and the road venues along time ago. I remember Mike Mauger and myself watching an LA/Longfellow game at the stadium back when Chris Spielman was in 9th grade and Mike telling me how common it was for the other teams captains to meet at mid-field for the coin toss with fear in their eyes, crap in their pants and tossing their cookies on their way back to their sideline!
Today the opponents know Massillon is not only beatable, but they thrive on beating us at home.
I can remember a game with Akron Central Hower in like 1985 that we should have won easily and we got beat. After the game the Hower players stood in the middle of the field chanting "we beat their @ss on their own grass", and they did it all the way to the bus, and out of the parking lot as they rode past PBTS!
That was the first time I had heard it and it was unfortunately repeated many times over the next several years!

[monte81]

Dirtybear, TC, and TWBT--- I agree that you play for yourself and a chance to get on the field at PBTS but coaching did have alot to do with it!!! All I heard when I was a kid was how my uncles started for the tigers and went to college and I wanted to be just like them. Milo's dad trained us to be winner and my coaches just enhanced that--- Coach Whitfields slobbering and screaming, Coach Wells blocking you on your butt, Coach Lec threatening to pull tou out the game for any small mishap etc,... we need more of that!!

Dirtybear--could I have made all those QB sacks if not for you and others having my back??? NO--but Coach Lec changed stuff for me to do that kind of stuff. he could of made me a robot player playing straight 50 looks but he let me go! And you don't think Pooder knows how much technique you gave him that carried over the past 2 years and will take with him to UT. And BTW--we had a bond togehter and made each other play hard and your dad would of kicked both our butts if we didn't!!! Along with all our teammates because we lived, played, and hung together everyday! We can teach them kids the same qualities as well.

TC---- I was a speed rusher until you showed me a few tricks as a junior!!! That made me better at getting off blocks!! i remember you having fire to get down and demonstrate because you knew what it took at both sides! Jeff Harig i know learned alot from you as well at TE
Coach Moronto gave me incredible work ethic that I have today as a HC he backed down--NEVER from any of us and worked our butts off in the process!!

Former tigers with good coaching techniques i will take over an outsider with those same qualities anyday!!

[massillon catholic]

When Shepas was here the kids where surrounded with ex players Pierce, Martin, Pachis, Salvino and Huffman.


With the exception of Huff, I don't think the others that you mentioned bring the needed intensity that Hacka and BJ would bring. IMO.

[monte81]

35+ years of woulda, coulda, shoulda. You make my point exactly. Maybe you feel you "busted your butt" and probably did but did everyone on the team do the same? As Bob Commings said: "If you can look in the mirror and say there was not one more thing I could have done, then to hell with everybody else". My comments are not an attack on any specific year's team or player.

I am not so naiive as to think we should have won 25 state championships in the last 35 years but with our program, facilities, booster organizations and community support I cannot accept the best we could ever hope to be in all those years is the 1st loser (runner up).

TWBT, I understand where you're coming from with the "ex-Tiger" comment. At one time we had (IMO) too many ex-Tigers on the staff who became complacent because they had no desire to move on and didn't want to rock the boat.

Everything we've tried as a makeup of the staff has not achieved the ultimate
goal. Coach Stacy has endorsed the Booster Club's mission for this year which is "Uphold the Tradition". Just what is the tradition today's players remember other than a bunch of stories from a time before they were even thought of? How many of our coaching staff can relate to the power of motivation to be a Massillon Tiger and what that really means?

The days of intimidation by reputation are gone for us and my hope is that maybe adding a coach here or there who can relate those stories in person from a person who has been there can be helpful.

With the completion of the D.R.E.A.M. project we will soon be able to attest to the fact that there is NO OTHER high school football program with any better facilities. The challenge then places the responsibility directly on the players, coaches and fans for the attainment of the make and take no excuses mantra.

My senior year I played with a seperated shoulder and and a legimment tear in my ankle---- Coach Stacy and others can confirm it to be true. I MADE EVERY PLAYER WHO LINED UP IN 88 ON THE DEFENSE PLAY 100% OR GET OFF THE FIELD!!! I left it all on the field every game!! We have film footage to confirm our stance--- one of the top defenses in the last 30 years.

No desire to move on is differant from being complacent. I think ex-tigers such as myself, Hack, Joe Pierce, etc,... would not fit that category because it's some of our dreams to get a chance at just being a lifetime position coach and bring it all the way back!!

GO HARD OR GO AWAY!!

[dirtybear]

With the exception of Huff, I don't think the others that you mentioned bring the needed intensity that Hacka and BJ would bring. IMO.

You must be smoking, I know for a fact that Joe Pierce put it on the table all day and everyday. Because I am Joe Pierce, ask both of them as to where I rate as a player and a coach,better yet ask the players from 1996 until this years class. You speak of somthing that you don't know anything about as for the rest of them how can you think that they didn't because there not a friend of yours.

[monte81]

With the exception of Huff, I don't think the others that you mentioned bring the needed intensity that Hacka and BJ would bring. IMO.

WRONG THIS TIME---- Joe Pierce had our DB's brining pain on WR's and had great cover skills. We need him in the mix again.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

If dirtybear is indeed Joe Pierce (and I have no reason to doubt that he is), I can tell you that not only is he not the only former player that has given his all to the Tigers on the field, and as a coach, but he's not the only Joe Pierce that "brought it" when he played any sport, including softball!

[monte81]

Well said, and that's exactly what I'm talking about. This is an example of a former player that grew up in Massillon and GOT IT from the time he was a little guy and needed nobody to preach to him daily in HS about the tradition of Massillon.

PRIDE, DESIRE, COMPETITIVE SPIRIT, BROTHERHOOD and COMMITMENT!


So you are saying TC is the only former tiger on this site who "got it"!! I was born with heart and every tiger I grew up with played with passion and desire to win football games every Friday and EVERY MCGUIRE WILL ALWAYS PLAY THAT WAY!!. J. Myricks, Pierce, Stafford(s), Buckland, Hack(s) Dixon, Ashcrafts, Relfords, Dunwiddie, Mayle, etc,.... we all went all out for the team but its coaches we played with on the staff right now that didn't play the same way and some even are getting AD consideration after dogging us years ago!!

[classof65]

Monte81,

If your screen name indicates that you graduated then, that means you were on the 1980 team. If that's the case, then I see why you are so touchy about an inference that not everyone gave everything all the time. The 1980team will always be one of the great ones. That is simply because they epitomized "Massillon Tigers". Quite frankly, they were one of the greatest groups of overachievers to ever wear the orange and black.

Just one more time, my comments are based on 35+ years of frustration, not a particular team or player.

When I hear stories of parties the night before the McK game (and other big games as well) over the years, it tells me that not every team could pass the Bob Commings "mirror test". When I hear a coach say that he is "disappointed" that players not in other sports aren't coming to the off season program, it tells me we don't have the committment you know it takes. When Coach Stacy speaks at the Spring Kickoff bemoaning that there are no leaders stepping forward, it tells me we don't have the committment you know it takes.

We both have the same goal here and whatever we have tried for so long has not worked.

[monte81]

Monte81,

If your screen name indicates that you graduated then, that means you were on the 1980 team. If that's the case, then I see why you are so touchy about an inference that not everyone gave everything all the time. The 1980team will always be one of the great ones. That is simply because they epitomized "Massillon Tigers". Quite frankly, they were one of the greatest groups of overachievers to ever wear the orange and black.

Just one more time, my comments are based on 35+ years of frustration, not a particular team or player.

When I hear stories of parties the night before the McK game (and other big games as well) over the years, it tells me that not every team could pass the Bob Commings "mirror test". When I hear a coach say that he is "disappointed" that players not in other sports aren't coming to the off season program, it tells me we don't have the committment you know it takes. When Coach Stacy speaks at the Spring Kickoff bemoaning that there are no leaders stepping forward, it tells me we don't have the committment you know it takes.

We both have the same goal here and whatever we have tried for so long has not worked.

I am Monte McGuire class of 1989 played on the team that was ousted from the playoffs by our own greed at the time thinking they could help the 84-86 teams like I stated earlier. Film does not lie----ALL OUT on every down and would coach the same way. I love Massillon football and I am also frustrated with no championships since 72 but it was some great teams in those 35 years that came up alittle short!! We have went over the play by play in 91 and 05 as well as the all star team we played against in 1981 but oh well. Who is to say that those 22 state titles we would of won in the current system---we will never know but 80,81,88,89,91,01,02, and 05 were great teams.

Players were coming to workouts before Pierce and jarvis left the program for sure so this crap just started this off season--- in 05 and 06 those seniors were in the gym!!

[ChronicTiger]

You must be smoking, I know for a fact that Joe Pierce put it on the table all day and everyday.

As a player and a coach!

:thumbsup:

[monte81]

One more thing----- in those 35 years we have not always played our best 22 players to win the big games. You can always find 2/3 or more players that noone ever knows why he is even on the field---is that coaching or outside influence????

Chronic---- when you were a kid did you ever see us slacking on the court or field??? Your dad would of benched us for sure

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Geeze Monte, You have a pretty wild imagination when it comes to my words. To even imply that I was saying that Tim was "THE ONLY" former Tiger on this site who "GOT IT", or "GETS IT" is about as far from reality as anyone could imagine.
Perhaps you're just having a bad day comprehending what's being said, or perhaps you have a fair sized chip on your shoulder that puts you on the defensive quite often, but either way I guarantee you that you missed my point on this topic entirely.

[massillon catholic]

You must be smoking, I know for a fact that Joe Pierce put it on the table all day and everyday. Because I am Joe Pierce, ask both of them as to where I rate as a player and a coach,better yet ask the players from 1996 until this years class. You speak of somthing that you don't know anything about as for the rest of them how can you think that they didn't because there not a friend of yours.


First of all, I never critized Joe Pierce as a player or a coach. I only gave MY OPINION that I thought the others would bring more intensity that is needed to motivate the players. Second, the only reason that I mentioned Hack and BJ is because I wasn't aware that any of the other players that Monte81 mentioned were trying to get a coaching position. WOW, do you guys fly off the handle.

[massillon catholic]

Geeze Monte, You have a pretty wild imagination when it comes to my words. To even imply that I was saying that Tim was "THE ONLY" former Tiger on this site who "GOT IT", or "GETS IT" is about as far from reality as anyone could imagine.
Perhaps you're just having a bad day comprehending what's being said, or perhaps you have a fair sized chip on your shoulder that puts you on the defensive quite often, but either way I guarantee you that you missed my point on this topic entirely.


He is a little "chippy" today. He must have bet the Nets last night!

[monte81]

Well said, and that's exactly what I'm talking about. This is an example of a former player that grew up in Massillon and GOT IT from the time he was a little guy and needed nobody to preach to him daily in HS about the tradition of Massillon.

PRIDE, DESIRE, COMPETITIVE SPIRIT, BROTHERHOOD and COMMITMENT!


That is what you said and just because I disagree with you on the need for ex-tigers coaching does not mean I didn't understand your posts. We all grw up the same way and some current tigers have as well and ii was just saying that alot do get it but the one's who do not need a swift kick in the butt from time to time becuase we cannot win win without all of them on the same level. BG and Darion talked to some of those guys Stacy was referring to last year but he did nothing about the lack of desire then and wont now----he will be gone within 2/3 years like I said! Stepping stone job for him--- but he is OK with me!

Oh--- I have no chip on my shoulder but just was disturbed on the 35 year noone was brininging it like tigers comments or whatever. No hard feelings on my behalf however.

[monte81]

He is a little "chippy" today. He must have bet the Nets last night!


Never--- Lebron I always want to win except win they play Detroit this year because they are my team I put my money on before the playoffs started.

I am having a good day dicussing some Masilon tiger football with some former players and fans---I love it!! We still need some in your face coaches on the staff.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

And for the record I'll say that I believe that other former Tigers on this site including Hack, B.J., Monte, and Joe also "GOT IT" as young men, and still "GET IT" to this day!

[monte81]

And for the record I'll say that I believe that other former Tigers on this site including Hack, B.J., Monte, and Joe also "GOT IT" as young men, and still "GET IT" to this day!


Thank you TWBT and you get it as well!!!! We cool? I hope so because we are getting ready for a great season in 2007.

Now I have to go see about my reconstructive knees being repaired again so have a good day my friend!! (football, bball, and air assault did that @hit!)

[TigerCoach]

Twbt, Monte is just fired up because he knows he was never as good as me.!!!! Just kidding Monte, I would play next to you anytime.:tig:

[monte81]

Twbt, Monte is just fired up because he knows he was never as good as me.!!!! Just kidding Monte, I would play next to you anytime.:tig:

You know you taught me a few tricks!!! I might have had to play weak side OLB if you were on the team!!!! As long as you were dropping in pass coverage I would be flattered to team with a great tiger such as you. That's why I am fired up because if the players had the passion I still have with these knees they would dominate every game.

TC--- at 36 do you suggest reconstructing both knees again or knee replacements? Crazy I am bone to bone on these recons but I can still run and play bball----but for only a game or 2!!!!

REFUSE TO LOSE!!!

[TigerCoach]

I have arthritis in both knees also, Monte. Have had 3 arthroscopic surgeries to clean up tissue, etc. At 36, the doctors won't do a kneee replacement anyways, your way too young. I would suggest trying Synvisc, a silicone gel that provides a cushion between the joints first. I've also had micro-fracture surgery on my left knee, and it feels better than the right one. Isn't it hell to get old?? LOL!!

[monte81]

for sure. The doctor suggested the gel injections yesteday at my visit. The medication or cortizone shots do nothing.

[LakeCountyTiger]

I'm having a knee problem right now that started 2 weeks ago, and just found out yesterday my doctor is moving all the way down to Canton....

[massillon catholic]

I'm having a knee problem right now that started 2 weeks ago, and just found out yesterday my doctor is moving all the way down to Canton....:offtopic: :offtopic: