"Stacy looks to get back to the basics"

[longtimefirsttime]

The Inde article:
http://indeonline.com/index.php?Category=2

[Fats]

Over the years it seems that players have forgotten the fundamentals. Tackling etc. This emphasis on fundamentals should help our Tigers

[MTigers006]

Fats, I was told that it looked as if our kids forgot how to properly tackle at the St.X State Title game. Do you agree with this? Still it was a respectable game and outcome but, would have been better had we won. That is the past though. Nice to remember, but we must look forward. Nice Post.

[cat]

We need to get back to basics! NO HEART-NO DISCIPLINE=LOSS. We need to start playing MASSILLON FOOTBALL. The players now are SOFT! They need to start learning how to SMASH someone in the MOUTH and learn to BELIEVE that they CAN BEAT anyone in the state. FOOTBALL is 90% mental and 10% physical. IF you put your mind to it, YOU WILL WIN!:trophy:

[Obie Wan]

Fats, I was told that it looked as if our kids forgot how to properly tackle at the St.X State Title game. Do you agree with this?
If memory serves, we missed a tackle in the backfield on Ashley's long TD run and we missed a tackle on the punt return.

[MTigers006]

Great Memory Wan! Your mention of this reminds me of just what your talking about, although costly people make mistakes and im not putting anyone down for doing so. Those kids played thier hearts out that night. I just wanted to clear up that im not putting them down. It just means so much that we came so close and that we even got there and I wasn't any prouder of those kids than I was on that night or that season for that matter. However, the future looks bright and im very excited about it and a return to the state title game to finish what we started in 2005. I wish the coaching staff and the Tigers the best of luck this season and in the future. I can proudly say Go Tigers!

[Louisville Tiger]

I'm hearing from my inside sources that we may go back to 2 platoon football because its what Mr. David wants. He doesn't feel that at Massillon, players should play both ways. Hello!...Reality check here.
I thought we were finally over that BS since coach Stacy got here and decided to put the best players on the field at all times.

I hope this doesn't come to fruition or we can forget about a state title.
Its not like we have 1500 boys to choose from!




"Sometimes in order to save face, you keep the lower half quiet."

[massillon catholic]

I'm hearing from my inside sources that we may go back to 2 platoon football because its what Mr. David wants. He doesn't feel that at Massillon, players should play both ways. Hello!...Reality check here.
I thought we were finally over that BS since coach Stacy got here and decided to put the best players on the field at all times.

I hope this doesn't come to fruition or we can forget about a state title.
Its not like we have 1500 boys to choose from!




"Sometimes in order to save face, you keep the lower half quiet."

Who are your "inside sources"? You've been coming up with all kind of BS on here lately. Last week you gave the starting QB job to Clark without ever putting on a Massillon uniform. Now this crap. I don't know if Clark is a relative of yours or what. But, if Rhoades transfers here at the end of the year, which is going around in my Catholic circle, Clark may be down on the depth chart. Finally, if you know Jeff David, which I doubt. You would know that he wants to do WHATEVER it will take for Massillon to win. If that means the best 11, its the best 11. Also, I wouldn't be so confident in your assertion that he is calling the shots.

[DAWGH8R]

I'm hearing from my inside sources that we may go back to 2 platoon football because its what Mr. David wants. He doesn't feel that at Massillon, players should play both ways. Hello!...Reality check here.
I thought we were finally over that BS since coach Stacy got here and decided to put the best players on the field at all times.

I hope this doesn't come to fruition or we can forget about a state title.
Its not like we have 1500 boys to choose from!




"Sometimes in order to save face, you keep the lower half quiet."

No Way !!

[MTigers006]

Nicely put MC!

[Fats]

I'm hearing from my inside sources that we may go back to 2 platoon football because its what Mr. David wants. He doesn't feel that at Massillon, players should play both ways. Hello!...Reality check here.
I thought we were finally over that BS since coach Stacy got here and decided to put the best players on the field at all times.

I hope this doesn't come to fruition or we can forget about a state title.
Its not like we have 1500 boys to choose from!




"Sometimes in order to save face, you keep the lower half quiet."

Do you like to make statements with no facts. I don't think Mr. David is telling Coach how to run the team.

[Louisville Tiger]

We'll see. I hope I'm wrong.

I can't reveal my inside sources and I will be man enough to admit that I may have jumped the gun on the Clark kid.

Just try not to get your panties in a twisty!:tonguewave:

[Kamd50]

Who are your "inside sources"? You've been coming up with all kind of BS on here lately. Last week you gave the starting QB job to Clark without ever putting on a Massillon uniform. Now this crap. I don't know if Clark is a relative of yours or what. But, if Rhoades transfers here at the end of the year, which is going around in my Catholic circle, Clark may be down on the depth chart. Finally, if you know Jeff David, which I doubt. You would know that he wants to do WHATEVER it will take for Massillon to win. If that means the best 11, its the best 11. Also, I wouldn't be so confident in your assertion that he is calling the shots.

Are you talking about Joey Rhoades?

[siberiantigerman]

I cannot believe what I am hearing. Tom Stacy would never let anyone make any decisions for him with his team. Tom Stacy is a proven entity and although Jeff David is a good friend of his he would not allow him to make a decsion despite his 600 million dollars. Tom Stacy is going to do it his way period. Slugger I hope your inside sources are not players. if it is you are relying on poor sources. I can tell you this, some of the players will be asked to change positions for the benifit fo the team just as in 2005 when we went to the state title game. We will see if those kids fall in line and do it for the team or if they are selfish. I hope we go two platoon, some kids will play both ways but we will take a beating if we do not two platoon. At this level of play it is important to save as many kids as possible and hopefully make a long run in the playoffs. If you know anything about football you would know that what you do in the beginning will have a drastic affect on you at the end. Lets let the professionals handle it and trust them. get your butt out there if you think you know it all, but again you probably never played sports.

[Louisville Tiger]

Look, my sources are not players.
Like I said before, I played QB and DB for 6 years.
All I am saying is that I've talked to Mr. David before and he personally told me that he is strictly for 2 platoon football.
He said that it wears the kids out if they have to go both ways.
I have the confidence that Stacy and his staff will do things their way
but...sometimes the hand that feeds you has quite a lot of pull!
I'm probably wrong but it does give you something to wonder about.:scratchchin:

So that's all I'll say about that.

Everyone have a wonderful day and a happy Memorial Day!!
Please remember our troops and the priceless freedom they provide for us!:unclesam:

[MassFan3]

Still.....Coach Stacy will do what he wants and what's best for Massillon...he wants to two-platoon as well....but sometimes it just can't happen! Sometimes (and this year may be an example) the best players have to go both ways!

[massillon catholic]

Are you talking about Joey Rhoades?

Yes I am!

Still.....Coach Stacy will do what he wants and what's best for Massillon...he wants to two-platoon as well....but sometimes it just can't happen! Sometimes (and this year may be an example) the best players have to go both ways!

If Lousville Tiger thinks that DT, JT,SY, and a few others won't be playing both ways he's nuts. Stacy's welcome wagon is over. He has to win this year and he knows that he needs certain players to play both ways. Also, LT, you said that you spoke with Jeff David and he favors a two-platoon system. That is far differant from your statement that Massillon is going to a two-platoon because David wants it. My guess is, you had some half-assed conversation with him at the Martini Lounge and thats the only thing you remember from the conversation.

[Red50Go]

I know the Davids too. Dont worry. Stacy is calling the shots, and he has a veteren staff who will call the shots. I cant predict what they will do but there is a fine line between playing your best on both sides and keeping them healthy. 2 way players have definitely helped, then again BG was pretty beat up at the end of last year. Stacy's mantra from day 1 was to build depth, to compete w/ the larger d1s. Ideally yes, of course you want studs at all 22 positions. To that end will determine the minutes of certain players.

But I am about 98% confident you will see some guys play 2 positions at certain points throughout the season.

[massillon catholic]

I cannot believe what I am hearing. Tom Stacy would never let anyone make any decisions for him with his team. Tom Stacy is a proven entity and although Jeff David is a good friend of his he would not allow him to make a decsion despite his 600 million dollars. Tom Stacy is going to do it his way period. Slugger I hope your inside sources are not players. if it is you are relying on poor sources. I can tell you this, some of the players will be asked to change positions for the benifit fo the team just as in 2005 when we went to the state title game. We will see if those kids fall in line and do it for the team or if they are selfish. I hope we go two platoon, some kids will play both ways but we will take a beating if we do not two platoon. At this level of play it is important to save as many kids as possible and hopefully make a long run in the playoffs. If you know anything about football you would know that what you do in the beginning will have a drastic affect on you at the end. Lets let the professionals handle it and trust them. get your butt out there if you think you know it all, but again you probably never played sports.



Your statement doesn't make a lot of sense to me. For example, you stated, "I hope we go two platoon, some kids will play both ways but we will take a beating if we do not two platoon". First, if you have players going both-ways, you aren't two platooning. So, which is it that you want? Do you want some players going both ways or do you want two-platoon? Iggy had 5 or 6 players going both ways the last year that they won it all and have 2-3 times as many boys as we do. McK always has several going both ways. Steubenville had their QB also starting at DB, Punt Returner, and KO Returns. The bottom-line is, we need our best 4 or 5 guys going both ways, PERIOD! Or, it will be another early exit to a team like Whitmer.

[tiger151]

you guys are forgetting a name at qb...Tim adkins... i no the family. He goes to everyworkout does extra throwing after practice and is getting bigger. If im not mistaking he is 6' or more now and about 180. If Rhodes or Clark think they are gonna walk in and start they have another thing coming and I know he feels the same way. This kid was born and raised massillon football...if you think that our boys are gonna be pushed over by transfers you are nuts. I do not want this to offend anyone but maybe some motivation.

[DAWGH8R]

Blue Chippers can and do play almost every play in their high school years. It's tough to "wear out" a 17 & 18 year old kid. BG took a toll at the end of last season because of a sprained ankle, and still was competitive.

[massillon catholic]

you guys are forgetting a name at qb...Tim adkins... i no the family. He goes to everyworkout does extra throwing after practice and is getting bigger. If im not mistaking he is 6' or more now and about 180. If Rhodes or Clark think they are gonna walk in and start they have another thing coming and I know he feels the same way. Thats the way it should be for every position not just qb.

Hold on here. I don't think any players said they were going to walk in and start. It was Louisville Tiger who said that Clark was a lock. That was until I reminded him of a few things. I wish Adkins well. They will all have a chance to compete to for the starting job. Depending on what type of offense is being run, I believe that none of them are head and shoulders above the others. I persnally don't care who starts, as long as he is the best QB and wins.

[TigeRon]

what a great team we would have, if all of the born tigers rise up and keep the transfers off of the field! Go Tigers!

[DAWGH8R]

you guys are forgetting a name at qb...Tim adkins... i no the family. He goes to everyworkout does extra throwing after practice and is getting bigger. If im not mistaking he is 6' or more now and about 180. If Rhodes or Clark think they are gonna walk in and start they have another thing coming and I know he feels the same way. This kid was born and raised massillon football...if you think that our boys are gonna be pushed over by transfers you are nuts. I do not want this to offend anyone but maybe some motivation.


You need to read the forums a little more, and not form opinions from one thread. The person in question has been posting for 8 weeks with 40 posts.

[Louisville Tiger]

MC, you need to listen more clearly. Maybe take the banana out of your ear.
I'm AGAINST 2-platoon football. I've always said you have to have the best players out there at all times.
Lee Owens said it would be that way-NEVER HAPPENED.
Jack Rose said we weren't gonna 2 platoon-NEVER HAPPENED.
Rick Shepas....heck, I won't even comment on that bum.

There's no reason high school kids can't play the entire game if needed-
I DID!

Heck, at that age I use to soar with the eagles at night and rise with the sparrows in the morning.

Try to understand this Mr. Catholic. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE BEST PLAYERS ON THE FIELD AT ALL TIMES-WE WON'T WIN A STATE TITLE! Understand?

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BOYS IN OUR SCHOOL FOR EACH ONE TO HAVE HIS OWN POSITION.

My conversation with Mr. David occured at good ol' PBTS. All I was drinking was a diet coke.

So let's put this issue to bed and concentrate on this upcoming season of our goal for a state title. We have tons of talent. Let's just hope the kids have the heart like the 2005 team did.

Smell ya later.:sunny:

[DAWGH8R]

Smell ya later.:sunny:

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[siberiantigerman]

Would not be surprised at all if Turner is at reciever and playing safety, Herring at middle linebacker, and Adkins at corner along with Massey moving to wideout. With Devoe Torrence in town and Tressel saying he will be a running back I think everyone can read between those lines on who the #1 running back is.

[TIGER27]

If Adkins is starting qb there is no way he'll play both ways thats just dumb.

[Obie Wan]

If Adkins is starting qb there is no way he'll play both ways thats just dumb.
Steubenville just won 30 games in a row with a QB playing both ways. Dumb is not having your best players on the field.

[massillon catholic]

Steubenville just won 30 games in a row with a QB playing both ways. Dumb is not having your best players on the field


I would suggest that the QB played four-ways, never leaving the field. He was such an athlete, I believe that his college sport is baseball at WVU.
Something, that I simply cannot figure out is, back in the day nearly everybody played both ways. Now that the athletes are supposed to be better conditioned and better over-all athletes. Why is there a move to go to a two-platoon?

[tiger#22]

Steubenville just won 30 games in a row with a QB playing both ways. Dumb is not having your best players on the field.

So true Obie, from just an early look I would say there should be at least 5 guys who are on the field at least 70-75% of the plays this year, unless there are some kids who step up in a major way so guys wont have to go both ways.

[massillon catholic]

So true Obie, from just an early look I would say there should be at least 5 guys who are on the field at least 70-75% of the plays this year, unless there are some kids who step up in a major way so guys wont have to go both ways.

I can name three, right now. DT, JT, SY.

[monte81]

All of our best players in the past have played both ways and it never hurt the team. You have to have the best players on the field at all times including special teams. This is HS football and if a player is tired and cannot play both sides because of fatigue then that is a coach, player, and CONDITIONING problem. Great athletes never want to leave the field and should never be made to play one position. If a player is starting and another player is better than he is then our coaches would be cheating the team, community, and the individual player.

IMO---- this 2 platoon mentality has cost us a championship during the Owens era and will cost us again because it is Stacy's philosophy as well. In 2005 just maybe we win the game if our best players were on special teams. We have 500+ boys in our HS and kids have to play both sides to maximize our championship chances. DT will go both ways, JT will as well, Yoder also, Massey should play WR and corner also. Herring and a few others will have to go on both sides as well. DO WE WANT A TITLE OR MAKE PARENTS HAPPY???

[TigerCoach]

It cost us potentially 3 state championships in 1979, 1980, 1981 before Mike Currence figured it out. Then, in 1982, he started playing Chris Spielman both ways and they lost in the Finals to Moeller again.

[monte81]

It cost us potentially 3 state championships in 1979, 1980, 1981 before Mike Currence figured it out. Then, in 1982, he started playing Chris Spielman both ways and they lost in the Finals to Moeller again.

It also cost us in 89 and 91 as well. I never understood how coaches do not want the best players on the field unless the pressure is coming from somewhere else to play more players. Every year you can see one or 2 players that shouldn't be starting but start anyway or at the wrong position.

We played Chad Buckland at corner when he was the best WR on the team and Joe Pierce at safety and NO offense at all! I can give you at least 30 players in this senerio over the last 20 years. TC---remember Michael Moore??? He should of started every game for you guys on defense(NT) but rode the bench for no reason.

I hope we have finally fixed the problem in tigertown---MAY THE BEST PLAYER PLAY REGARDLESS!

[TigerCoach]

Michael Moore should have started at FB most of the time, but there were politics involved with Greg Grimsley that caused ill feelings and hurt the offense. We had a solid defense in 1979, but not much offense. Same story in 1981 as 3 Division I players sat on the bench as the offense was on the field. We had an offensive line in 1981 that would have made the Little Giants proud!

[monte81]

It's all about the politics!! Politics+Massillon= no titles!!! We have had plenty of great teams that were hurt by the "play this kid unwritten rule" and I hope we finally havwe killed the beast that has held us back. We have to forget about platoon football and just play whoever works the hardest in practice to take a spot.

If anyone is telling Stacy who should play or not play that is wrong and unrealistic when it comes to sports and winning!

I also agree that the last 10 years or so the players and coaches do not seem to have the same fighting spirit as past teams. That needs fixed NOW!

[longtimefirsttime]

Finally, if you know Jeff David, which I doubt. You would know that he wants to do WHATEVER it will take for Massillon to win. If that means the best 11, its the best 11. Also, I wouldn't be so confident in your assertion that he is calling the shots.

Absolutely, positively 100% correct. The David Foundation's donation carries no strings or mandates. The coaching staff will make the decisions on the field.

[massillon catholic]

To this day, I will never understand why Jerome Myricks and Eric Wright ever left the field. I'm sure there are many others, but these two stand out to me.

[tig62]

I think Mike Currence was the first coach to advocate a strict 2 platoon philosophy; and I agree, there were years it probably cost us dearly. :ohno:

[TigerswillbeTigers]

TC! Did you mean Mike Norris? or was Michael (F 9/11) Moore a Tiger and I just missed it?

[massillon catholic]

TC! Did you mean Mike Norris? or was Michael (F 9/11) Moore a Tiger and I just missed it?


I thought Michael Moore played for Glen Oak. I believe that Michael Norris transferred from Akron North when Maronto was here.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Mike Norris was a solid FB and kicker that unless I'm wrong, and many have told me I am at times, grew up in Massillon.

BTW! Grimsley was weak. Nothing like his cousins or his father Ike who played QB for McK!

[monte81]

TC! Did you mean Mike Norris? or was Michael (F 9/11) Moore a Tiger and I just missed it?

Michael Moore played with Manion, Rick S, etc,... on the 81 team. Howeverr it was a Michael Moore that played for Glenoak in the mid 80's when they made a good playoff run with Cheney and Joe McClendon.

Mike Norris grew up in Massillon and played from 84-86 playing FB/kicker went to junior College and then transferred to U. of Minnesoda.

Mike Harris was the transfer from Akron who tore his ACL at the end of his jr. season and never reached full potential his sr. year because of the injuries.

Massillon Catholic---- Jerome Myricks NEVER left the field and was the best athlete I ever played with in HS or college. He started corner his soph year and few games at RB and flanker, started flanker and DB his junior year, and played RB and FS his senior season. I just felt that Moronto never knew what he had with Myricks and Stafford in the backfield together.

[massillon catholic]

Michael Moore played with Manion, Rick S, etc,... on the 81 team. Howeverr it was a Michael Moore that played for Glenoak in the mid 80's when they made a good playoff run with Cheney and Joe McClendon.

Mike Norris grew up in Massillon and played from 84-86 playing FB/kicker went to junior College and then transferred to U. of Minnesoda.

Mike Harris was the transfer from Akron who tore his ACL at the end of his jr. season and never reached full potential his sr. year because of the injuries.

Massillon Catholic---- Jerome Myricks NEVER left the field and was the best athlete I ever played with in HS or college. He started corner his soph year and few games at RB and flanker, started flanker and DB his junior year, and played RB and FS his senior season. I just felt that Moronto never knew what he had with Myricks and Stafford in the backfield together.

Was it Maronto that wouldn't let Myricks run back punts in the mud-bowl at Austintown-Fitch?

[Hack]

that was at St. Joes in a close game!

[massillon catholic]

that was at St. Joes in a close game!

7-6 loss, I believe.

[obie7661]

...Mike Norris grew up in Massillon and played from 84-86 playing FB/kicker went to junior College and then transferred to U. of Minnesoda.

Mike "Magic" Norris played Junior High ball at Longfellow, and was an excellent kicker even then.

He kicked a pretty long field goal in the last minutes of the Freshmen game against L.A. for the win.

Both Freshmen squads were good that year. It was a very exciting game and a pleasure to watch.

[LakeCountyTiger]

Doesn't Norris or Harris have a kid that might play this year?

[massillon catholic]

Doesn't Norris or Harris have a kid that might play this year?

I think Harris has one, however, I'm not sure of his availability.

[monte81]

7-6 loss, I believe.

We lost 8-6. It was funny because when we got to the game it was pouring rain all day but they still had the sprinkler system running a hour and a half before kickoff. We had a safety that caused us the game. I remember the the game so vividly because that's when us underclassmen knew that some seniors didn't have the heart to win---crying and whining about the conditions and mud in eyes, etc,... However we stunted our corners all game because they were coming at David Hack and I with a power I on the off tackle play with a pulling guard. Coach Lec was a great sceme coach and it helped us hold the Ohio player of the year Desmond Howard to 33 yards rushing. Best game I ever started in a loss and that was heartbreaking. St. joes won the DII State Championship and went undefeated that year.

Punt returns--- 1986(Bart Lectivitis) and 1987 was Mark kester and Craig York. However Jason Stafford and Myricks should have ALWAYS returned the punts and kicks in 1987 but York and Lec had sure hands and prevented any turnovers because Coach Moronto was way to conserative

[TigerCoach]

TC! Did you mean Mike Norris? or was Michael (F 9/11) Moore a Tiger and I just missed it?

No, Michael Moore went to Longfellow and graduated in 1982 with us. He was a pretty darn good fullback, but sometimes did goofy things, like all of us. I saw him at our 20th reunion a few years ago and he still looks the same. There was another Michael Moore who played at Glenoak, like Monte said.

[LakeCountyTiger]

I remember that game because I stood in the endzone while it rained/snowed/sleeted all game. And of course it was windy, it always is there

[JakeGiant]

Or, it will be another early exit to a team like Whitmer.


Those Panthers don't get any kind of credit/respect from some I see. :help2:

[massillon catholic]

Those Panthers don't get any kind of credit/respect from some I see. :help2:

Last year, they were an average Federal League team, PERIOD! This was clearly shown when McK thumped them. Perhaps, this season they will be better.

[Seeker]

Last year, they were an average Federal League team, PERIOD! This was clearly shown when McK thumped them. Perhaps, this season they will be better.

Are you sure that he meant those panthers?

:vconst:

[massillon catholic]

Are you sure that he meant those panthers?

:vconst:


I was referring to Whitmer Panthers, which is what I thought the poster was referring too. I was making the comparison as to Federal League teams. I, personally believe the Perry Panthers would have handled Whitmer and also believe that Perry is going to be a team that could be dangergous this year.

[Seeker]

I was referring to Whitmer Panthers, which is what I thought the poster was referring too. I was making the comparison as to Federal League teams. I, personally believe the Perry Panthers would have handled Whitmer and also believe that Perry is going to be a team that could be dangergous this year.

Ahhhhh..I get it.
A double insult, LOL.

Good one.

:thumbsup:

[JakeGiant]

Last year, they were an average Federal League team, PERIOD! This was clearly shown when McK thumped them. Perhaps, this season they will be better.


I don't think McK was "40 points better" on a consistent basis against Whitmer. It was a game that just spiraled out of control; it happens from time to time. IIRC, McK barely beat St. Johns at Fawcett, and Whitmer was a better team than the Titans.

[massillon catholic]

I don't think McK was "40 points better" on a consistent basis against Whitmer. It was a game that just spiraled out of control; it happens from time to time. IIRC, McK barely beat St. Johns at Fawcett, and Whitmer was a better team than the Titans.

With the style of offense that Whitmer runs compared to the style of defense McKinley plays and Mck's history of very good RB's. I would bet that Mck would win by 40 or more 7 out of 10 times. Also, the game we are talking about, McK could have won by 60, easily. They called off the dogs in the 2nd half. The St. Johns comparison doesn't work because they have a differant style than that of Whitmer which causes McK more problems. And, I not a McK fan by any means.

[monte81]

I don't think McK was "40 points better" on a consistent basis against Whitmer. It was a game that just spiraled out of control; it happens from time to time. IIRC, McK barely beat St. Johns at Fawcett, and Whitmer was a better team than the Titans.

From game to game it could be a toss up in region 2. Some games teams look unstopable and the next week look like the bad news bears of HS football. Some teams are better suited to play other teams. McKinley was suited to play Whitmer because they had great HS linebackers in Disi, Trabron, Snow, etc,... while St. John's had a solid run defense that kept mcKinley on its heels all night. Whitmer was terrible against the run and WE would of killed them if our coaches just would of ran the ball down their troats all game. This year our linebackers will CRUSH any QB delays---refer to rivals. com for DT defensive highlights--delays, draws, etc,... he destroys on contact!!!!

[massillon catholic]

From game to game it could be a toss up in region 2. Some games teams look unstopable and the next week look like the bad news bears of HS football. Some teams are better suited to play other teams. McKinley was suited to play Whitmer because they had great HS linebackers in Disi, Trabron, Snow, etc,... while St. John's had a solid run defense that kept mcKinley on its heels all night. Whitmer was terrible against the run and WE would of killed them if our coaches just would of ran the ball down their troats all game. This year our linebackers will CRUSH any QB delays---refer to rivals. com for DT defensive highlights--delays, draws, etc,... he destroys on contact!!!!


Have you ever seen a "heat seeking missile"?

[JakeGiant]

I'll cede the matchups some, but I think more than anything, Whitmer didn't show up to play that night.

At any rate, I will agree a bit McK did benefit Whitmer knocking off Ross and Massillon. I really think had Ross been given the opportunity to play in Regional Championship against the Pups, we would've thrown the ball at will against them.

[Mass6]

I'll cede the matchups some, but I think more than anything, Whitmer didn't show up to play that night.

At any rate, I will agree a bit McK did benefit Whitmer knocking off Ross and Massillon. I really think had Ross been given the opportunity to play in Regional Championship against the Pups, we would've thrown the ball at will against them.

And Massillon didn't come out of the locker room against Whitmer either and still had a chance at the end. You can look at it either way, hopefully both teams are better this year and we get a chance to meet in the playoffs 1 more time.

[monte81]

Honostly--McKinley was the best team in region 2 last year like it or not. Whittmer was no match for them and Ross would of received the same treatment. We beat the pups in week 10 but did nothing to stop Morgan Williams(173 yards rushing). the pups would have been in the finals if Coach Cross would have given the ball to Trabron on the 1st and goal situation and Williams ankle injury didn't help either. Whitmer was WEAK and noway should the tigers have lost to a mediocre team like we did. That was embarrasing to see and how we just collapsed in the 2nd half. KJ and JT had 100 yards rushing each but somehow did not give them the ball in the 2nd half.

I still do not understand why we passed the ball 1st and 10 on the 23 yard line with almost 2 minutes in the game. Poor game management will beat you everytime--see St. X game for details. WE BEAT OURSELFES MORE OFTEN THAN THE OPPONENT OUT PLAYING OUR TEAM!!!

HS games can go either way depending on matchups and coaching decisions!!

[monte81]

Have you ever seen a "heat seeking missile"?

I was an Avenger/stinger missile instructor in the Army so I have fired heat seeking missiles often. What a rush crushing something in the air going Mock 2 and you can catch it!

DT is a beast on defense and I hope he plays every down at linebacker for us in 2007.

[JakeGiant]

Monte, I can't argue McK being the best(they proved it), but I don't think Ross would've received the same treatment, because as I mentioned, the Pups wouldn't have stopped our passing game. I do agree McK would rack up rushing yards on Ross, and hence, I tend to think that game would've been a shootout. But, we'll never know.

[massillon catholic]

Monte, I can't argue McK being the best(they proved it), but I don't think Ross would've received the same treatment, because as I mentioned, the Pups wouldn't have stopped our passing game. I do agree McK would rack up rushing yards on Ross, and hence, I tend to think that game would've been a shootout. But, we'll never know.

I agree that Ross was better than Whitmer, but McK's running game would have controlled the game and kept Ross off the field. McK has a history of making big plays on defense and they are tough to beat once they get the lead. As I've stated before, Whitmer would have been lucky to have been
.500 in the Federal League. They weren't that good. Monte correctly stated that our coaches blew the game. They couldn't stop our RB's and we went right away from that in the 2nd half. With the wind and rain there was no need to throw the ball. Turner took them down the field and then the coaches took him out of the game.:bs:

[slider63]

I think even coach Stacy admitted calling a bad game against Whitmer. Slider, out!!!

[massillon catholic]

I think even coach Stacy admitted calling a bad game against Whitmer. Slider, out!!!


Just curious. Who called the plays last year, Stacy or the Co-Coord from Lexington. Can't think of his name.

[monte81]

Just curious. Who called the plays last year, Stacy or the Co-Coord from Lexington. Can't think of his name.

Stacy calls the plays sent in by the multiple TE's we used last year! What ever happened to the TE passing game. In HS we can utilize a big, fast kid to get down the seems.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Like a 6'7 athlete that can run, catch and block!

[TIGER27]

you talking about yoder?

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Nope!

[Ms V]

I was thinking of Huffman

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Nope!

[monte81]

Like a 6'7 athlete that can run, catch and block!

He don't have to be 6'7 but around 6'2 and runs a 4.6/4.7!! I know we have a kid playing somewhere on the defense to make it happen.

I coach 13-14 year olds in C-bus and I tell my players all the time that NOONE has a set position until i put them there regardless of what or where they played the year before. I run the defense and Jason Stafford runs the offense. If our team plays anything like the coaches at that age we will be killers in the 185 lb. league.(Most junior high schools in C-bus do not have junior high football so the leagues are ran by the city).

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I realize you don't have to be 6'7 to be a good TE, but wouldn't it be nice to have one that has great hands, can run and loves to knock defenders off the defesive line?

[monte81]

We have the players but sometimes in our system players do not play the position they should because of the team!! Also walk around the neighborhoods and you will see a few that could help us out!

TWBT----check your PM's

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I did, back at ya!

[massillon catholic]

I did, back at ya!


Chris Roth and Gerald Pope were two very good TE's that were "under used", IMO.

[monte81]

Chris Roth and Gerald Pope were two very good TE's that were "under used", IMO.

Gerold had good hands for football but didn't have the killer to make him a great blocker and that's why he shared time with Jeff Harig his senior year.

Drobney has to be the best we had at Massillon for awhile!!

[massillon catholic]

Gerold had good hands for football but didn't have the killer to make him a great blocker and that's why he shared time with Jeff Harig his senior year.

Drobney has to be the best we had at Massillon for awhile!!


I agree with Drobney. I was only posting TE's whom I thought they could have been thrown to more often. Pope made one of the greatest catches over the middle that I've ever seen. I can't remember who it was against.

[CarlE]

Drobney's Dad is a wuss!! LOL

[monte81]

I agree with Drobney. I was only posting TE's whom I thought they could have been thrown to more often. Pope made one of the greatest catches over the middle that I've ever seen. I can't remember who it was against.

Glenoak---our lockers were side by side Pope, harig, and I----after the game Gerold was so sore that he went home in his uniform and was cussed out the next day by Coach Herring!!LOL Jason and I still laugh about that!
Gerold was under utilized in the passing game but when Coach Moronto was here we ran 90% of the time and it costs us because everyone knew Jerome or Jason was getting the ball and our line was big, slow, and did not block anyone my junior year!

[massillon catholic]

Glenoak---our lockers were side by side Pope, harig, and I----after the game Gerold was so sore that he went home in his uniform and was cussed out the next day by Coach Herring!!LOL Jason and I still laugh about that!
Gerold was under utilized in the passing game but when Coach Moronto was here we ran 90% of the time and it costs us because everyone knew Jerome or Jason was getting the ball and our line was big, slow, and did not block anyone my junior year!

Thanks. Couldn't remember the game but it was one helluva catch.

[monte81]

Thanks. Couldn't remember the game but it was one helluva catch.

We owed Currance that beatdown for beating us 9-7 the year before. We held them to ZERO points winning 21-0

I remember making a tackle on the sidelines and Currance talking trash all game--nice to whoop our former great coach that should of still been here at the time!!

[massillon catholic]

We owed Currance that beatdown for beating us 9-7 the year before. We held them to ZERO points winning 21-0

I remember making a tackle on the sidelines and Currance talking trash all game--nice to whoop our former great coach that should of still been here at the time!!

I didn't realize that Currence was the Head Coach at Glen Oak.

[monte81]

I didn't realize that Currence was the Head Coach at Glen Oak.

He was hired as soon as we let him go! Why he was let go at the time is still unclear to all of us who loved him and the high powered offense he used.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

"Mike Currence was hired by Glenoak as soon as we let him go"?
Man, I don't remember that happening, but If you say so!

[massillon catholic]

He was hired as soon as we let him go! Why he was let go at the time is still unclear to all of us who loved him and the high powered offense he used.

He not only had a "high powered" offense, but I think his defenses were pretty damn good as well.

[proud to be]

I think Currence actually went to Twinsburg, and later ended up as an assistant at Central. I don't think he ever coached at Glenoak. Former Tiger Head Coach Bob Cummings coached at Glenoak

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Twinsburg? I thought his son Todd went to CCC and he took a little time off, then surfaced at St Thomas Aquinas!

[Obie Wan]

Currence definitely went to Twinsburg. I don't remember GlenOak, though.

[proud to be]

Currence never coached at Glenoak. He went to Twinsburg as a head coach, and volunteered at Central, and eventually St Thomas Aquinas.

[CarlE]

Currence never coached at Glenoak. He went to Twinsburg as a head coach, and volunteered at Central, and eventually St Thomas Aquinas.

Absolutely right. Gosh, he was one of the great ones here. Unfortunately, the 3-State AllStars from Catholicville in Cincinnati just happened at the same time.

[proud to be]

Beaten by the flying Francisco Brothers, straight from the foothills of Kentucky!!! They also had a runningback named Mark Brooks who went to ND and a 6'8" OT that did as well. I believe his name was Doug Williams. We ran onto the field and there were 30,000 screaming fans......(I swear 25,000 of them were wearing orange). They indeed had players fcrom Indiana Ohio and Kentucky. But you were right, Mike Currence was a great one here, and was treated poorly for seemingly unknown reasons. Bring back the run and shoot!!!!!

[LakeCountyTiger]

I think it was closer to 33,000... I remember how electric it was and also how cold it was... Doug Williams ended up at Texas A&M and drafted in the 2nd round of the 1986 NFL draft. Hank Bullough LB was also on that team and was drafted by the Bills , their QB Schaffer (sp) went to Penn St. The younger Francisco had a short stint with the Redskins. I also think their kicker went D1 somewhere...

[proud to be]

Thanks for the correction. I knew Williams went somewhere big time. I also remember that R Spielman played that game with 1 or maybe 2 broken thumbs.

[monte81]

I think Currence actually went to Twinsburg, and later ended up as an assistant at Central. I don't think he ever coached at Glenoak. Former Tiger Head Coach Bob Cummings coached at Glenoak

You are right Cummings was the coach talking trash. We had bad blood those few years 86-88! GO had alot of talent those years.

Players and coaches on both sides were saying things to each other all game.