Update on D.R.E.A.M. project

[longtimefirsttime]

The Inde story:
http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=16418&r=0&Category=8

[tiger51]

this just sounds to good to be able to picture...I just can't wait to see how this looks, it sounds like it is going to be amazing.

[steeltiger]

It sounds INCREDIBLE!

Has anyone thought about the possibility of adding a new facility for the swim team?

Nevermind... I'll donate the funds for that after I hit the Mega Millions tonight!


I can't wait to see Paul Brown overlooking the football field! GREAT IDEA!

[Mass6]

That sounds awesome!!!! I would love to be a kid right now in the 7th or 8th grade!

[slider63]

This does sound nice but I am disappointed to hear the stadium will be losing seating capacity. Slider, out!!!

[Mass6]

I agree with you Slider, and feel that they should do all they can to get that seating in the North Endzone to be closer to a horseshoe with the bleachers from the South Endzone. Maybe we don't sell out all of our homegames anymore, but that will really crowd the big games that we have. I'm sure they have a plan though!:gotigers:

[MTigers006]

I think the whole thing with the south endzone stinks. What a bonehead idea. If its not broke dont fix it. Also if anything we need more seating not less. Why cant they just leave well enough alone. Also, This isn't Ohio Stadium. We don't need a horseshoe. If anything we can add to the existing stands. The current locker room is fine. the thought of visting teams using our home locker room is appalling. I know im gonna take ehat for this but this is my opinion and im entitled to it and im gonna speak it and I even hope Jeff David hears it. The things the stadium does need is rebricking on the home side, monitors with sound on the concourse, new restrooms, consessions,ref dressing room and finishing the Walk of Pride as featured in the original plan drawing. Anything else besides the fencing LEAVE ALONE!

[tiger#22]

I think the whole thing with the south endzone stinks. What a bonehead idea. If its not broke dont fix it. Also if anything we need more seating not less. Why cant they just leave well enough alone. Also, This isn't Ohio Stadium. We don't need a horseshoe. If anything we can add to the existing stands. The current locker room is fine. the thought of visting teams using our home locker room is appalling. I know im gonna take ehat for this but this is my opinion and im entitled to it and im gonna speak it and I even hope Jeff David hears it. The things the stadium does need is rebricking on the home side, monitors with sound on the concourse, new restrooms, consessions,ref dressing room and finishing the Walk of Pride as featured in the original plan drawing. Anything else besides the fencing LEAVE ALONE!

What a brilliant idea, why dont you just call up Mr David and tell him to take his millions to another High School in the County,,,,,damn some people are just so ignorant. :wtf:

[Spize]

What a brilliant idea, why dont you just call up Mr David and tell him to take his millions to another High School in the County,,,,,damn some people are just so ignorant. :wtf:


He has had his panties in a bunch for awhile over the whole moving the lockerrooms thing. I hear his grandparents were pissed when they stopped playing at agathon and swore Massillon would never beat Mckinley again in this new "Tiger Stadium" that went against Massillon's traditions.

[obiefan]

Geez Louise....

GET OVER IT! You're FULL OF YOURSELF and your "tradition"!

Try this on for size...

They will be making their entrance from glass doors of a multi-million dollar building that will be rivaled among the top Division 1 COLLEGES in the nation. They will be running past the bronze statue of Paul Brown, who will be facing the field, as to look over the field aprovingly.

Not only that, but the dilapidated chain link fence will be replaced with brick columns and wrought iron fencing.

Further more, it was implied that the Band and Student sections may be moved down in that direction, so everything will be whole again!

Cmon guy! You should have made it to the spring kick off dinner to see it yourself and maybe you'd understand!

PLEASE DONT MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A FOOL...

I, among many many others applaud Mr David, his family, and his partners who believe in Massillon, and remember their roots enough to inject MILLIONS OF DOLLARS into the youth of Massillon.

Cmon man... give us a break...

While you are at it, please service 258 active scholarships worth $5,500.00 each year, while you are at it.

You do the math!



I think the whole thing with the south endzone stinks. What a bonehead idea. If its not broke dont fix it. Also if anything we need more seating not less. Why cant they just leave well enough alone. Also, This isn't Ohio Stadium. We don't need a horseshoe. If anything we can add to the existing stands. The current locker room is fine. the thought of visting teams using our home locker room is appalling. I know im gonna take ehat for this but this is my opinion and im entitled to it and im gonna speak it and I even hope Jeff David hears it. The things the stadium does need is rebricking on the home side, monitors with sound on the concourse, new restrooms, consessions,ref dressing room and finishing the Walk of Pride as featured in the original plan drawing. Anything else besides the fencing LEAVE ALONE!

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Excellent post obiefan!

[orangeblood]

Geez Louise....


While you are at it, please service 258 active scholarships worth $5,500.00 each year, while you are at it.

You do the math!Unfortunately, he probably cannot.

[MTigers006]

Like I said im entitled to my opinion as anyone else. I like the whole idea of everything. Im just not in favor of this. I know someone who is a player and he even thinks its kinda stupid. As mentioned I like the fence idea. The chain link looks horrible. Also I was wondering if the scoreboard will clear the two story building. Another concern is seating capacity. We need more,not less. LEss seating would be good leverage for the state to take away the state playoof games away from this area unless you all plan on bringing your lawnchairs. Whats the next thing to go? The live Obie program? The running through the hope? The cheerleaders? All rallies? How about the whole darn football program? How about the federal league? No telling where its gonna stop. The glass is just gonna be another thing for students from other schools to vandalize like those from McK. Yes I havent seen the plans yet. I would like to see them before I make my judgement. This is just my opinion. Most of the ideas I like. I wonder when we will finish the projects we have already begun that have not been finished yet? IE. The Walk of Pride or has that been scrapped? Come on guys am I so bad for having an opinion and voicing it? It that the whole idea of a forum such as this one? I go against something and everyone wants to cucify me, burn me at the stake? How about a firing squad?! I thought this is a free country. My main concerns are:

A. Vandalism
B. Tradition
C. Honoring and remembering those who came before us. Alot of legends have coached and stood in the current locker room.
D. Making Coach Paul Brown appear as a god!
E. Loss instead of seating capacity.
F. Loss of state playoff tournament as a result of loss of seating capacity.

Im sorry if I offended anyone or hurt anyones feelings. I just wanted to say how I feel about the whole thing even though I had to go against the grain and go against it. Again I know some of you are angry at me and I appoligize. There is nothing I love more than life besides Jesus than Massillon and Massillon Tiger Football. Im just kinda of an old school kinda guy that likes somethings as they are although sometimes change is needed. Im just not in favor of this change. Again I appoligzie. Hate me if you will. Its my story and im sticking to it.
One change I would welcome is the addition of a second scoreboard in the north endzone and relocation of the Flag Pole to the Northeast corner.

[longtimefirsttime]

This does sound nice but I am disappointed to hear the stadium will be losing seating capacity. Slider, out!!!

Tis' only temporary.

[MTigers006]

A friend of mine who is on the stadium staff says they may add seating on the old track as it was before reconfiguration in the early 80's. The player I know also said they may put seating ontop of the new locker room structure.
I sure wouldn't mind adding some pyro to our entrance as to our entrance at the Herbie Classic last year which was really awsome and everyone seemed to enjoy it.

[obiefan]

MT006- No one hates you... Trust me on that. We just get frustrated hearing your opinion when you are uninformed. You throw out your opinion based on your feelings. You have strong feelings about it. No doubt about it.

But please, this is not the first time youve gone off on a tear... while being extremely uninformed.

Please, Please... just trust that it will be OK.

Let me give you my thoughts on your 7 item list.

Vandalism... A good reason to put Coach Brown's statue inside the stadium... Windows... are going to be reinforced, to sustain abuse from Steve Schott's kicks. as well as a boot of a bulldog...

Tradition... This year's Booster Club motto is... "Uphold the Tradition"... I recall the Band used to march on the field from the south endzone, in double time. For many years, they lined up in front of section six, and marched on, at the signal of the band director. but they changed. They're still the Tiger Swing Band.

Honoring and remembering those who came before us... At one time, there was this stadium... It was not where it currently stands? How about honoring them? How is this humanely possible? Their lockerroom is long gone... Your best bet, is to know and sing the Alma Mater, when it is sung in praise of those currently attending, and those who came before us.

Making Paul Brown appear as a god? Nothing more fitting than installing Coach Brown's statue on the sideline where he so passionaltly loved to be... and where better than his beloved Massillon Sideline? However, I would not go so far as placed him high as a god... in religion, it would truely be blasphemous. "do not put others before me, for there is only one god"... does that ring a bell?

Loss of seating capacity... We are indeed going to lose maybe 500 or so seats. Tell me the last time the stadium was actually sold out for a Massillon game? Do you realize our average attendance per game is about 9,000? one game, every other year brings about 15,000... Still not sold out, even with our reduced capacity... When was seating capacity EVER a problem at a State Championship game?

Loss of State Tournament Hosting... If you actually think a non issue (seating capacity) would play a role in losing the State Tournament hosting in Massillon or Canton. I want you to tell me where in the state you could find 2 finer facilities, with the latest amenities, volunteers, and proximity of each other in the state of Ohio. I dare you to say it belongs somewhere else. I dare you...

So please.... please.... Think it through. The more things change, the more it stays the same...

And please, try not to insult Mr. David... Or his intentions. From what I saw. There is almost NO-ONE on this earth who cares more for Massillon and the future of our kids than the great David family.

And thank the Lord for their generous, caring, charitible family.

PS: I'm sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean it. I just wanted to get your attention, and wake you up.

[longtimefirsttime]

Like I said im entitled to my opinion as anyone else. I like the whole idea of everything. Im just not in favor of this. I know someone who is a player and he even thinks its kinda stupid. As mentioned I like the fence idea. The chain link looks horrible. Also I was wondering if the scoreboard will clear the two story building. Another concern is seating capacity. We need more,not less. LEss seating would be good leverage for the state to take away the state playoof games away from this area unless you all plan on bringing your lawnchairs. Whats the next thing to go? The live Obie program? The running through the hope? The cheerleaders? All rallies? How about the whole darn football program? How about the federal league? No telling where its gonna stop. The glass is just gonna be another thing for students from other schools to vandalize like those from McK. Yes I havent seen the plans yet. I would like to see them before I make my judgement. This is just my opinion. Most of the ideas I like. I wonder when we will finish the projects we have already begun that have not been finished yet? IE. The Walk of Pride or has that been scrapped? Come on guys am I so bad for having an opinion and voicing it? It that the whole idea of a forum such as this one? I go against something and everyone wants to cucify me, burn me at the stake? How about a firing squad?! I thought this is a free country. My main concerns are:

A. Vandalism
B. Tradition
C. Honoring and remembering those who came before us. Alot of legends have coached and stood in the current locker room.
D. Making Coach Paul Brown appear as a god!
E. Loss instead of seating capacity.
F. Loss of state playoff tournament as a result of loss of seating capacity.

Im sorry if I offended anyone or hurt anyones feelings. I just wanted to say how I feel about the whole thing even though I had to go against the grain and go against it. Again I know some of you are angry at me and I appoligize. There is nothing I love more than life besides Jesus than Massillon and Massillon Tiger Football. Im just kinda of an old school kinda guy that likes somethings as they are although sometimes change is needed. Im just not in favor of this change. Again I appoligzie. Hate me if you will. Its my story and im sticking to it.
One change I would welcome is the addition of a second scoreboard in the north endzone and relocation of the Flag Pole to the Northeast corner.

Obiefan is correct. Those issues were addressed point by point at the banquet. There was plenty of time for questions on the facilities, schedule, etc. for anyone who wanted to ask. I understand it may not have been possible to attend so I (as one who attended the banquet but not involved directly in the project) will address your questions.

-The scoreboard will clear the two story building.
-About 2/3 of the seating from the South stands will be moved to the North. There may be future additions in seating as well as renovating existing seating but they're handling one need at a time.
-The OHSAA has been thrilled with the current facilities in Massillon & Canton. The additions of field turf, the indoor facility, locker rooms, etc. will only add to that selling point. No one will be sitting in lawn chairs.
-What glass do you fear will be vandalized? The glass at the indoor facility will be covered by security cameras, just like the rest of the school. The glass of the locker room complex will be facing inside the stadium, which is also secure. It will be safety glass, which will not break if a kicker hits it.
-They are handling one project at a time. The turf will be installed soon. Then work on the indoor facility will begin, scheduled for completion this fall. Then work on the locker room complex will begin, scheduled for completion in 2008.
-The Paul Brown statue may be moved for security reasons but the Walk of Pride has not been scrapped at this point. It may just eventually happen in another location.
-Obviously when the new locker room complex is built, the band will have to move. They haven't decided where they and the student section will end up. They have time to discuss this.
-Many of the photos and other items in the existing locker room will be moved to the new one. Tradition is being respected.
-Work will be done on existing locker rooms on the West side to enable them to be used for playoff games. Remember when some teams damaged the Tiger locker room? In the new complex, the Tigers will be the ONLY team using that locker room.
-With the new locker room facility, parents will have an area to wait for their children after games. I think we all agree that's a good thing.

With the partnership with Aultman and Walsh University, the facilities will be top notch (comparable to many D-1 college programs), will include top of the line therapy equipment and will institute sports medicine programs that are highly in demand nationwide.

Sometimes change is good. When this work is completed, I am confident that fans and athletes (both local and statewide) will love the new additions.

[MassFan3]

Holy mackeral....part of me realizes there would be at least ONE person who didn't like this....but the other part of me says....what a bonehead!

First - the seating. Like someone else already said and beat me to the punch - when was the last time we sold out?? Why is this a concern when we've had no problems recently with attendance being too great.

Second - you sould have attended the event because....WOW....you're behind

Third - I'm still in shock over your post

Fourth - I certainly hope a player didn't tell you that the DREAM project was stupid....if so....they don't get what MASSILLON is all about

Fifth - PBTS will have so much character I might faint when I see the finished product.

Sixth - The stadium improvements and such have basically guaranteed that the OHSAA will keep the playoffs in Tigertown. Period.

Seventh - This is my own line of thinking....but after all is said in done in the spring of 2008.....if you are from the area....WHY WOULD YOU NOT ATTEND MASSILLON TO PLAY FOOTBALL???? I'm not trying to be arrogant here. I'm being realistic. If you're a high school athlete, why would you go anywhere else? You'd be having THE BEST facilities in the nation to your advantage. They'd rival MAJOR DIVISION 1 COLLEGE PROGRAMS....I'm not talking MAC schools (ours will be better than any MAC school) either...I'm talking SEC, Big Ten, ACC, Big 12, etc. If I were going to Perry....I'd be attending Massillon within the next MINUTE! There's no comparison at all....in my opinion...if someone were to play anywhere else (Perry, Tuslaw, etc.) then something is WRONG.

[MTigers006]

LTFT, Thankyou for being kind and understanding and taking time to explain things further. I just have always had trouble with change. I never liked it or ever will. Having also realized this isnt the only time major changes have been made at Paul Brown Tiger Stadium. I agree sometimes change is good. Change is just sometimes hard to accept.

[MTigers006]

He was refuring to the changes in the south endzone.

[Louisville Tiger]

I was disappointed at the Spring Kickoff not to hear anything about the football team. That's the main reason I went.
Seems like we sure are spoiling our kids here a little bit- but HEY-
Since we can't win a state championship we can make up for it by having the best facilities in the country huh?
Maybe we need a little reality check before we get in over our heads!:scratchchin:

[Kamd50]

Massillon Saints = ObieFan and Jeff David.........................that's all I dare allow myself to post

[MassFan3]

Hopefully these facilities will help us acheive a state championship, however, I agree that our kids are pretty spoiled, and a lot of them do need a reality check. I have talked about those kinds of things many times here on Massillon Proud - but what are we going to do - turn down these facilities?? C'mon.

Also, hopefully these facilities will attract more kids to our program that might have gone to Perry, CCC, Tuslaw, or just haven't played. There is talent all over the school but a lot of kids don't go out for whatever reason. Since Massillon isn't getting any bigger and we're flirting with DII, I hope these facilities will attract more kids.

[MassFan3]

:drinkem: Thanks kamd50!

[RRanger]

I think the whole thing with the south endzone stinks. What a bonehead idea. If its not broke dont fix it. Also if anything we need more seating not less. Why cant they just leave well enough alone. Also, This isn't Ohio Stadium. We don't need a horseshoe. If anything we can add to the existing stands. The current locker room is fine. the thought of visting teams using our home locker room is appalling. I know im gonna take ehat for this but this is my opinion and im entitled to it and im gonna speak it and I even hope Jeff David hears it. The things the stadium does need is rebricking on the home side, monitors with sound on the concourse, new restrooms, consessions,ref dressing room and finishing the Walk of Pride as featured in the original plan drawing. Anything else besides the fencing LEAVE ALONE!

the only thing i can say about it, is it's going to be great, and if you don;t like it,don;t go to the game's. when it's all said and down it's going to be great why do we need more seating, we fill it only one game a year,and we are not going to lose that much seating

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Kamd50,

I think you're due to be a saint yourself as I can't think of any other female high school fan better than you are. No other person has what you possess (St. Kamd50 the Faithful).

On to the Massillon project...this project will attract various prep stars to Massillon if they desire to continue their athletic careers. I am already impressed by the fact that there will be a get together for parents and athletes after football games......it nearly reminds me of the get together after football games at Mount Union College and it's a chance for fans to interact with the young men playing for the Tigers.

Not too many high schools have that. If there is one other than Massillon, I'd like to know which one it is............

[Kamd50]

Kamd50,

I think you're due to be a saint yourself as I can't think of any other female high school fan better than you are. No other person has what you possess (St. Kamd50 the Faithful).

On to the Massillon project...this project will attract various prep stars to Massillon if they desire to continue their athletic careers. I am already impressed by the fact that there will be a get together for parents and athletes after football games......it nearly reminds me of the get together after football games at Mount Union College and it's a chance for fans to interact with the young men playing for the Tigers.

Not too many high schools have that. If there is one other than Massillon, I'd like to know which one it is............

Keno thanks, but please never never even remotely attempt to put me in such a category as these folks who are true blessings to our schools and our beloved Massillon Tigers.

[mike_da_man13]

1. smaller high school
2. go from 3 to 1 middle school
3. plan to go down to just 4elementarys
4. now a smaller stadium

anyone else notice a trend here?

[MTigers006]

Yes I do Mike, Yes I do and the pulling of the wool over the eyes as well. Dress anything up real nice and people will go for it. Such as the examples you mentioned. Also with less seating at the stadium means less ticket revenue for the district from P/O Games which means less money for the district and more leveies for taxpayers. So do the real math behind the math that is the wolf dressed as a sheep. This sounds nice and all, but all im saying is please becareful in this and what you wish for.

[tiger51]

Yes I do Mike, Yes I do and the pulling of the wool over the eyes as well. Dress anything up real nice and people will go for it. Such as the examples you mentioned. Also with less seating at the stadium means less ticket revenue for the district from P/O Games which means less money for the district and more leveies for taxpayers. So do the real math behind the math that is the wolf dressed as a sheep. This sounds nice and all, but all im saying is please becareful in this and what you wish for.

WOW....you read into everything....

[Kamd50]

WOW....you read into everything....

Double WOW Seriously...........even after a number of kind and intelligent posters take the time out to patiently explain things in simple language that normally anyone could understand , you still go off with these insane accusations and conspiracy theories of yours instead of being able to understand that this is called PROGRESS and is a huge shot in the arm that we are in need of:furious:

What part is it that you don't understand about the FACT that we do not sell out our stadium anymore and the loss of those seats is meant to be only TEMPORARY in the first place?!? :wall:

[Hack]

006, just cut it out!!!

[gotigers1]

Oh heaven forbid we lose a few hundred seats temporarly in the name of progress! Give me a break!

[MTigers006]

Alright Hack, your someone I always respected so I guess I will take the wait and see approach. I just dont deal well with change. I do however have had an idea I would like to discuss with people and see what they think. It is a way to get new and bigger locker rooms using the exsisting home locker room and more seating and satisfy everyone. Getting it done would be the challenge.

[mike_da_man13]

i have to agree with 006 i do believe they are trying to fly under the radar with alot of these changes

[longtimefirsttime]

I was disappointed at the Spring Kickoff not to hear anything about the football team. That's the main reason I went.
Seems like we sure are spoiling our kids here a little bit- but HEY-
Since we can't win a state championship we can make up for it by having the best facilities in the country huh?
Maybe we need a little reality check before we get in over our heads!:scratchchin:

What's wrong with having the best facilities? Because the Tigers haven't won a recent title, they should set their sights low? What school district would reject such a generous gift?

[obiefan]

Conspiracy!
LOL

[MTiger]

It's a conspiracy to make our crowds look larger! Maybe the Feds will think highly of our landscaping and wrought wire fence and invite us to join!

I've also been told that Paul Brown's eyes will contain cameras that will allow us to read the opposing coaches lips. That's why they're moving him inside to overlook the field, it has nothing to do with the prevention of vandalism.

[tiger51]

Conspiracy!
LOL

Yeah really lets just rulll with that crowd :) I mean WOW...that is honestly the only word I can think of with the few special members we have on this topic

[tiger51]

It's a conspiracy to make our crowds look larger! Maybe the Feds will think highly of our landscaping and wrought wire fence and invite us to join!

I've also been told that Paul Brown's eyes will contain cameras that will allow us to read the opposing coaches lips. That's why they're moving him inside to overlook the field, it has nothing to do with the prevention of vandalism.

Solid post... :)

[Louisville Tiger]

Who's footing the bill to maintain these wonderful facilities. It'll probably be the average "Joe six-pack" or "Sally Housecoat". I pay enough now for gasoline and to feed Obie. I sure hope they won't be soliciting "donations" at the games for this.


A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission.

[obiefan]

Only time will tell...

PS: nice Rush reference there...

Who's footing the bill to maintain these wonderful facilities. It'll probably be the average "Joe six-pack" or "Sally Housecoat". I pay enough now for gasoline and to feed Obie. I sure hope they won't be soliciting "donations" at the games for this.


A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission.

[Banks]

Who's footing the bill to maintain these wonderful facilities. It'll probably be the average "Joe six-pack" or "Sally Housecoat". I pay enough now for gasoline and to feed Obie. I sure hope they won't be soliciting "donations" at the games for this.


A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission.

WOW you are really up on things!

[Attack From Mars]

Yes I do Mike, Yes I do and the pulling of the wool over the eyes as well. Dress anything up real nice and people will go for it. Such as the examples you mentioned. Also with less seating at the stadium means less ticket revenue for the district from P/O Games which means less money for the district and more leveies for taxpayers. So do the real math behind the math that is the wolf dressed as a sheep. This sounds nice and all, but all im saying is please becareful in this and what you wish for.

According to the OHSAA website the largest attendance for a playoff game since 2000 at PBT was 10,330. Please explain where we lose money from playoff games because of less seats. Good Lord!

Go to the bookstore and find the book "Who Moved my Cheese". It's a book about a couple of mice and and what happens when one doesn't want to change.

[Spize]

Who's footing the bill to maintain these wonderful facilities. It'll probably be the average "Joe six-pack" or "Sally Housecoat". I pay enough now for gasoline and to feed Obie. I sure hope they won't be soliciting "donations" at the games for this.


A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission.

Just so you know, If they asked for a donation I would gladly give. P.S. when there is a donation drive you are free to donate any amount you like, including 0. Please, However, don't complain when others, like me, do donate. Or in this instance, would if asked but I don't think we will be asked.

[CarlE]

Yes I do Mike, Yes I do and the pulling of the wool over the eyes as well. Dress anything up real nice and people will go for it. Such as the examples you mentioned. Also with less seating at the stadium means less ticket revenue for the district from P/O Games which means less money for the district and more leveies for taxpayers. So do the real math behind the math that is the wolf dressed as a sheep. This sounds nice and all, but all im saying is please becareful in this and what you wish for.

And we sold out a play-off game when? Um, never there Mr. Longfellow gym floor. And having said that, it wouldn't matter about seating since they would be FREAKING EMPTY ANYWAY!! So, keep don't lose one little bit of sleep over your millions of inheritance taxes that keep you in Massillon. They are perfectly safe. Now, you being the Harvard-like poster you are could you please explain the real math here that is the wolf dressed as a sheep. A poor, unworldly sap like myself is just not intelligent enough to grasp this new math of which you speak!! LOL.

Finally, you posted you don't like change. Fair enough. Move to freaking Kidron and live with the Amish. I honestly wish you had a clue on how stupid these posts make you look.

[mike_da_man13]

i dont think its a conspiracy at all i think the stadium will continue to seat less and less i dont think it will be to long before both endzone seating is gone no shame in saying so its just the way its going i predict the next time they choose to "update" the stadium it will seat even less then


that extra stuff just takes your attention away from it(like what im trying to say is it was bound to happen but these new things are a nice filler for them and a good use of space)

[Spize]

i dont think its a conspiracy at all i think the stadium will continue to seat less and less i dont think it will be to long before both endzone seating is gone no shame in saying so its just the way its going i predict the next time they choose to "update" the stadium it will seat even less then


that extra stuff just takes your attention away from it(like what im trying to say is it was bound to happen but these new things are a nice filler for them and a good use of space)

Actually I like the thought of, if the money is there in the future, either eliminating the endzone seats althogether and expanding the seating on the east side to make up for it... or just making the North Side a true horseshoe. I don't know if you have noticed, but the endzone seats for most games are pretty much empty, and I never was a fan of endzone seats when I watch a game.

Besides there are a lot of nice stadiums that don't have stands in either or one endzone. Although I wouldn't eliminate the stands just for the sake of elimination. If we can reuse the stands we have now, I am all for it. If you are that worried about missing a seat for a big game, get a season ticket. If you only go to half the games it isn't that much money for the season ticket, and the money from the games you don't go to still goes to the tigers.

Besides, the one game that sells out the current stadium seating is once every 2 years, and if some one game a year Mck fans don't get a ticket to sit in our house, I won't cry.

[mike_da_man13]

Actually I like the thought of, if the money is there in the future, either eliminating the endzone seats althogether and expanding the seating on the east side to make up for it... or just making the North Side a true horseshoe. I don't know if you have noticed, but the endzone seats for most games are pretty much empty, and I never was a fan of endzone seats when I watch a game.

Besides there are a lot of nice stadiums that don't have stands in either or one endzone. Although I wouldn't eliminate the stands just for the sake of elimination. If we can reuse the stands we have now, I am all for it. If you are that worried about missing a seat for a big game, get a season ticket. If you only go to half the games it isn't that much money for the season ticket, and the money from the games you don't go to still goes to the tigers.

Besides, the one game that sells out the current stadium seating is once every 2 years, and if some one game a year Mck fans don't get a ticket to sit in our house, I won't cry.

idk dude its just that i think it will take away from the overall uniqueness and coziness of the stadium

[1600TigerFan]

Wouldnt it be easier if we just gave MT006 a forum of his own to post his thoughts, insight, wisdom, vision etc in one spot instead of screwing up all our normal threads ??

[CATS44]

I can see it now.

8000 fans enter PBTS for the opening game and see the updates and additions for the very first time.

7998 of them will say "WOW!".

Two will say "Geez. We lost 500 seats that nobody ever sat in."

7998 will say "This is fantastic!"

Beavis and Butthead will say "All this construction must be covering up something...maybe Jimmy Hoffa."

[CarlE]

Beavis and Butthead will say "All this construction must be covering up something...maybe Jimmy Hoffa."

Yo, CATS44. Don't you mean Beavis and MTigers006??

[MTigers006]

Wouldn't it be a different story when Tiger Fans get shut out of the McK Game? Also some playoff crowds could sell out Paul Brown Tiger Stadium. The size of the stadium is also what influences the OHSAA on what site to host the game as well as the locations of both teams of which are to compete is it not? Im not sure on that one am not ashamed to admit that. What im saying is ticket revenue is money. Money MCS badly needs. There is nothing wrong with the way the stadium looks now. One thing I did like was the east side pressbox. From waht I hear from my friend who is a palyer that the current locker room is too small and the new one is needed for this reason. Seating capacity isnt my big concern here. My concern is I like it the way it is. If anything the band should be brought back to Section 2 with the students like back in the day. If the locker room is too small cant we expand northward from the west side and put Obie's building somewhere else or incorporate it in with the new locker room. Plenty of room in the northwest corner. That way you get what is needed while still maintaining the current look of the stadium. My neighbor says you guys are gonna wanna dome next. Hasn't someone already mentioned that? Samll changes are nice,but nothing like this. Guys seriously sometimes things may be for the best ,but not always is someone gonna agree with others. There are somethings I do like however, like the new field being installed and some of the other improvements at Paul Brown Tiger Stadium some I dont approve of. Thats the beauty of living in a free country to be able to have an opinion and be able to express it without fear of punishent or other words.
I love this forum and I love Massillon. I go to all games including away. Im a 1994 Grad of WHS. I want whats best for not only the Tigers, but also for Massillon. Sometimes I am not gonna always agree with what they wanna do or have done, but some of you guys cant accept that someone might or does have an opinion that differs from yours. This does not make one stupid or dumb. Because someone doesn't agree with you or your opinion doesn't make them a bad person and doesnt make it cool to personally attack someone for their opinions. I remeber recently a new member posted something about how he felt about a subject that you guys didn't agree with and attcked him. This person hasn't posted on here since. Right now Obiefan and this site needs all the support it can get because bandwith is not cheap and can sometimes be rather expencive. Some of these new members may be willing to donate some funds to helping run and maintain this website. Personally attacking someone can push them like that person away or make him think why should I donate to a site that I am attacked and ridiculed for my feelings and thoughts on a subject and eventually not post or support this site at all. That person is also free adverstisement from word of mouth and sometimes those individuals may not be from Massillon at all and the actions of some on this site give Massillon a very bad image. I don't want that or like the idea of someone thinking bad about our city and fellow Massillonians and that bothers me to think someone has such an opinion as such. What im saying is don't be so down on someone just because the believe differently or have a different opinion than that of your own. Such as the treatment of me. To me the big prize is that State Championship trophy. Not if our stadium is all snazzy and made of glass or has a dome. What matters most is Tradition,History,Pride,Attitude,and Performance. I know some of you will say well this new locker room or whatnot will bring us pride. Pride doesnt come from if your locker room is fancy is comes from within. From the heart. From how much you love this city and Washington High School and defending it on the field or court in some cases of battle.
Im taking Hack's advice im done with this thread and subject. I stated how I felt about this proposal I got my say and im not gonna argue. Exspecially something that really isn't under our control anyways. Im just clearly stating my opinion about the subject and thats all I or any of us can do. MCS will do what they want not what we want unless like someone stated earlier that we are paying for the project.

[tiger51]

This is my opinion. You are totally allowed to have your own thoughts and opinions but man, just think about what you are saying sometimes...it is off and not rational. I mean what school district wouldn't say "yes" to the situation we are "lucky" to have. This "DREAM PROJECT" is more then about the football team it is about Massillon and improving many programs. It is truly a DREAM and we should ALL be apprecitive of it and not think that their is some cover up happening...

[MTigers006]

I didnt say anything about a coverup. That was something that got taken out of proportion. What I said was basically read the fine print. I really appreciate this and the David Family/Foundation and the whole DREAM Project. This is a great thing and opertunity. Im just partial to Tiger Stadium and the way it is,but yes other changes have happened in the past and I and we thing they are great. Change is just something people don't take too well. If we can do it something like Fawcett Stadium has with thier home lokcer room under their west endzone I could go for that. The thing for me is there is alot of history in the current locker room. Many legends how stood there, dressed there,and coached there including the late great Coach Paul E. Brown. I wonder what Coach Brown himself would think of the entire DREAM Project?

[obie0130]

i think coach brown would love it. he was an innovative coach at massillon who turned a good program into a great one. he also was influential in the building of tiger staduim in 1939. what if he would have been partial to old massillon field (where the tigers played previoulsy) and put a roadblock on the construction of the new stadium that we currently enjoy today? if it benefits massillon, which it will, he would be all for it.

come on man, we are so blessed to have people like the david family who are committed to the constant improvement of massillon. you say you appreciate what they are doing, but you have a strange way of showing it. any other school system would die to have access to what we will have. what the david's are making available to us and our children (most importantly) should benefit us as a community.

[MTigers006]

0130, Strangely I agree with you. The future is just a scary thing. Im old school as I said and letting go and accepting change is difficult.

[Kamd50]

Ok, good for you, now keep your word like you said and stop posting on this subject and give it a rest.

[mike_da_man13]

its sweet that were getting all these new things but when ever friends from out of state come to massillon i show them the stadium i mean what else besides the stadium do we have that makes us unique? really nothing...

[section3]

WHAT move the obie garage are you freaking kidding me you know how long that garage has been there??? come on now new turf, new locker room , new indoor facility, new fence, but darn it i draw the line on the obie garage.

[MTigers006]

We have us. The Massillon Tigers. We have our 22 State Titles. We have our history. We have our Pride. We have our tradition and this season we will own our opposition. WE ARE MASSILLON! :rockin:

We are truely blessed as preivously stated.

[MTigers006]

Section 3 when I stated that I wasn't serious. I was attempting to make a point at the time.

[Spize]

We have us. The Massillon Tigers. We have our 22 State Titles. We have our history. We have our Pride. We have our tradition and this season we will own our opposition. WE ARE MASSILLON! :rockin:

We are truely blessed as preivously stated.


Here is one tradition I think both you, me, and everyone else on this board (except maybe warren1st) could argee on changing... The 22 titles thing. I would not mind in the least, nor would you, to have to replace or repaint everything with a 22 on it with a 23 :drinkem:

Massillon has a tradition of being ahead in facilities, in training, and in performance. No we haven't brought home a state title in a while, but we have 3 regional titles in 6 years, we are clearly not too far from where we need to be. If we have 500 less seats, but our facilites give us that last little edge we need to turn regional championships back into state championships, then who needs 500 seats? As far as the locker rooms go, my response to you on moving them is this... Does it matter where they come out of, or whom comes out? The traditions are with the team, the town, the school, and the fans... equipment, including buildings, wear out or require improvement from time to time, but the team lives on and the tradition follows right with them. Great tigers may have walked in that lockerroom and not the new one, but they walked somewhere else even more important, on the field and in our hearts as THE MASSILLON TIGERS... That will never change, no matter where our players change their street clothes for their tiger stripes is. They will still march out onto the field and into our hearts, and that is what makes us Massillon, and noone can or will change that.

[1600TigerFan]

MT006 be careful when you say you are old to someone who is older than you are, i believe obie0130 is 2 years ahead of you dude. Also please do not refer to YOUR opinions as OUR opinions and beliefs..............such as saying the school will do what they want not what we want.........there are plenty of supporters on here of the new proposals. You are entitled to your opinion, whether we agree with it or not....................but dont you find it odd that there seems to be a lot of times when the majority doesnt agree w/ you and you still try to argue your case.

[CarlE]

but dont you find it odd that there seems to be a lot of times when the majority doesnt agree w/ you and you still try to argue your case.

The majority? You mean unanimously, don't you??? LOL.

[longtimefirsttime]

I would simply like those who are opposed to this project, for one reason or another, to wait until the improvements are made. They obviously won't happen overnight (they will happen in phases). But I believe once they're completed nearly everyone will agree that they were made for the better.

[Kamd50]

yes, all 2 of you.

[mike_da_man13]

i never said i was opposed to it all i said was that the stadium was going to get even smaller as it has if you havent noticed and that this project is a good use of that space so yeah i guess im one of the two it may verywell seat only 12,000 people in the next 30yrs i wont be suprised my dad said when he was in school the stadium seated 22,000 now only seats a little over 16,000

[tiger51]

And your point is????Do you really think we need a 22,000 seat stadium???And again, if I am correct they are only cutting seating by like 500 seats and they are going to put those back in a "future project"....

[CarlE]

i never said i was opposed to it all i said was that the stadium was going to get even smaller as it has if you havent noticed and that this project is a good use of that space so yeah i guess im one of the two it may verywell seat only 12,000 people in the next 30yrs i wont be suprised my dad said when he was in school the stadium seated 22,000 now only seats a little over 16,000

Did your Father also explain to you the changes in demographics from when he was in school? Perhaps it would make much more sense to you if he did. Just a thought.

[MTigers006]

Excellent post Spize. It makes sence. You and Hack seem to be the voice of reason with this thread. I am gonna take the wait and see approach. But all that really matters is some state titles. That is my #1 priority. I just thought it over and I came to the conclusion I would rather us win a state title then worry about the little stuff.

[mike_da_man13]

so what your saying is that massillon used to have a population alot higher than 35,000 people? interesting

btw i never said there wasnt a reason for it did i? and i think your wrong i think its the majority of the city population could give a rats arse where a long time ago the majority cared more

not to mention i made refrence to this things in the last page if you paid one bit of attention at all
im sorry if i come off as a jerk

[Obie Wan]

so what your saying is that massillon used to have a population alot higher than 35,000 people?
No. However, the geographical dispersion of that population has changed significantly. Massillon has almost doubled in size in the last 25 years. The catch is that these "new" areas aren't in the Massillon school district. Unfortunately for our schools (and attendance at Tiger games), that's where all the population growth is. These people may live in Massillon, but they're watching Perry or Tuslaw on Friday nights.

Put another way, if Massillon had the same city limits as 1975, the population would be about 20,000 people. When you look at it that way, it makes perfect sense that the crowds are dwindling. In truth, they could take out all of the end zone seating and it wouldn't matter except for McKinley.

That's a shame for you younger guys. Tiger Stadium was really something back in the day when crowds of 14,000 were common. Too bad we'll probably never see that again.

[CarlE]

As Wan says, it's more about the demographics and population of the school district, not the city. And no, you didn't come off as a jerk. Like all of us, you're just stating your opinion. No problems, my friend.

[obie7661]

A home for Tiger museum

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=16550&r=0&Category=3

[MTigers006]

I think the problem is people can catch the games on TV so they stay home which is a real shame. Yes WHS tv is awsome,but sometimes its a curse. Win that State Title and they may come.

[Spize]

I think the problem is people can catch the games on TV so they stay home which is a real shame. Yes WHS tv is awsome,but sometimes its a curse. Win that State Title and they may come.

State of Ohio may kill that soon.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

...I am gonna take the wait and see approach. But all that really matters is some state titles. That is my #1 priority. I just thought it over and I came to the conclusion I would rather us win a state title then worry about the little stuff.

Welcome to Planet Earth.

Let us take you to our leader!

:kungfu:

[CATS44]

We dont have a 'problem'. We have a change of demographics.

At one time we had an enrollment of 1550 kids in grades 10-12.

We didnt have a Perry or Tuslaw HS...and Jackson was a small agricultural community. Even after the Jackson, Perry and Tuslaw districts grew, a lot of their growth was due to younger Massillon families moving out of the city limits, because there wasnt enough housing...and those folks continued to attend the Tiger games. But as their kids got to HS, the fans followed their own childrens activities.

We only have a problem if we dont change to fit the circumstances, and pretend that it is still 1955.

[Spize]

No. However, the geographical dispersion of that population has changed significantly. Massillon has almost doubled in size in the last 25 years. The catch is that these "new" areas aren't in the Massillon school district. Unfortunately for our schools (and attendance at Tiger games), that's where all the population growth is. These people may live in Massillon, but they're watching Perry or Tuslaw on Friday nights.

Put another way, if Massillon had the same city limits as 1975, the population would be about 20,000 people. When you look at it that way, it makes perfect sense that the crowds are dwindling. In truth, they could take out all of the end zone seating and it wouldn't matter except for McKinley.

That's a shame for you younger guys. Tiger Stadium was really something back in the day when crowds of 14,000 were common. Too bad we'll probably never see that again.


The state needs to redo the school district boundaries. There is a new neighborhood at the end of 27th SE, barely a few blocks from Washington High, but a big sign advertising the new neighborhood has two words that are bigger than the rest... "PERRY SCHOOLS" The closest elementary school to this allotment is York school, the closest High School is Washington, the closest school period is a Massillon school... the closest bus route is Massillon... but the sign says "PERRY SCHOOLS" The only school level that is closer to there that is a Perry School is the middle school, Pfeiffer.

Why is it when a farm on the border of the Perry Schools and Massillon Schools is developed it is instanly Perry Schools? In fact, nearly every new developement in the area targeted at upper middle class or higher finds a way to NOT be in the Massillon City Schools.

No wonder we are getting our butts kicked by the rest of the world, the politicians have done a better job destroying the system than if they had tried to.

Perry is trying to pass a levy to build more schools because they are bursting at the seams... Massillon is losing student population... Of course the solution would be too easy, but how could a politician explain next election why their kids are going to "that" school

[The Butler]

Perry is trying to pass a levy to build more schools because they are bursting at the seams

The building program in Perry would result in the subtraction of one elementary school. Genoa and Reedurban would be consolodated in a new building behind the stadium. Spize, I would have expected you to be more informed.

[monte81]

I really do not see a issue with the new projects. 500 less seats from 19,000 to 18,500! Get real the only game we sell out is McKinley anyway. last year we played the #11 team in the nation and only had 10,000+ fans at the game. The fan base is getting smaller because its less families in the district. The new facilities out weigh the loss of a few seats that are not being occupied anyway. I applaud the projects and all I want for Christmas is a DI State Football Championship in Massillon, Ohio!!!! 2007 is our year do it--it always happens when you thought we had our best shot(05/06) and the next years team pulls it off!! GO TIGERS!!!

BTW---- we have the best stadium in the state and we are complaining of upgrades that none of us are paying for anyway!!! Funny stuff!!!

The David Foundation is great---- my brother recieved a $25,000 schollie last night for college!!! Athletic talent and academics--- just when people thought most of our students were just getting by in the classroom and not taking advantage of the special oppurtunities the David family gives our community!!!!! We all should be thankful that the David family cares/cared so much for our kids in Massillon to leave so much financial support to keep us on top in the Dream project and chances for our children to get great secondary educations:gotigers: .

[Seeker]

...The David Foundation is great---- my brother recieved a $25,000 schollie last night for college!!! Athletic talent and academics--- just when people thought most of our students were just getting by in the classroom and not taking advantage of the special oppurtunities the David family gives our community!!!!!...


This is off topic, but I have to say...I only got tears in my eyes twice last night at the recognition ceremonies...and one time was when your baby brother Pooder's name was called as a David Scholar.

:gotigers:

[ChronicTiger]

Yes WHS tv is awsome

:scratchchin:

[Banks]

I really do not see a issue with the new projects. 500 less seats from 19,000 to 18,500! Get real the only game we sell out is McKinley anyway. last year we played the #11 team in the nation and only had 10,000+ fans at the game. The fan base is getting smaller because its less families in the district. The new facilities out weigh the loss of a few seats that are not being occupied anyway. I applaud the projects and all I want for Christmas is a DI State Football Championship in Massillon, Ohio!!!! 2007 is our year do it--it always happens when you thought we had our best shot(05/06) and the next years team pulls it off!! GO TIGERS!!!

BTW---- we have the best stadium in the state and we are complaining of upgrades that none of us are paying for anyway!!! Funny stuff!!!

The David Foundation is great---- my brother recieved a $25,000 schollie last night for college!!! Athletic talent and academics--- just when people thought most of our students were just getting by in the classroom and not taking advantage of the special oppurtunities the David family gives our community!!!!! We all should be thankful that the David family cares/cared so much for our kids in Massillon to leave so much financial support to keep us on top in the Dream project and chances for our children to get great secondary educations:gotigers: .

Where are you getting 19,000 seats?
Home West Stands - 7730, Visitor East Stands - 5570, North End Zone - 1800, South End Zone - 1500


That comes to 16,600


BTW Hats off to your brother , I am sure you are very proud.

[Spize]

The building program in Perry would result in the subtraction of one elementary school. Genoa and Reedurban would be consolodated in a new building behind the stadium. Spize, I would have expected you to be more informed.

That is the impression they tried to make on me to get me to vote for the expansion levy, sorry. (topic for a different thread)

[monte81]

Where are you getting 19,000 seats?
Home West Stands - 7730, Visitor East Stands - 5570, North End Zone - 1800, South End Zone - 1500


That comes to 16,600


BTW Hats off to your brother , I am sure you are very proud.

Thanks I am very proud of Darion for his accomplisments. He has always been a bright student. My mom was so happy when I talked to her last night.

However-- it was 18,950 people at this past seasons Massillon/McKinley game if my memory serves correct with a few empty seats. The offical website has similar figures without adding the extra bleachers like it has been done in the past for big games. I applaud the changes and we have the best stadium in Ohio, the best fans, and in 2007 hopefully the best team if all goes well. #2 goes to Big Red-- their stadium is awesome as well.

[Banks]

Thanks I am very proud of Darion for his accomplisments. He has always been a bright student. My mom was so happy when I talked to her last night.

However-- it was 18,950 people at this past seasons Massillon/McKinley game if my memory serves correct with a few empty seats. The offical website has similar figures without adding the extra bleachers like it has been done in the past for big games. I applaud the changes and we have the best stadium in Ohio, the best fans, and in 2007 hopefully the best team if all goes well. #2 goes to Big Red-- their stadium is awesome as well.


The extra bleachers haven't been used for about 15 years

PS Actually it was 17,900 last season

[monte81]

The extra bleachers haven't been used for about 15 years

PS Actually it was 17,900 last season

17,900- 500= 17,400 plus the 100 or so fans the rain ran off that leaves our total capcity to 17,500!!!!! More than enough seats to cheer our beloved TIGERS to victory.

[Banks]

17,900- 500= 17,400 plus the 100 or so fans the rain ran off that leaves our total capcity to 17,500!!!!! More than enough seats to cheer our beloved TIGERS to victory.

Have you seen the sidelines?

[monte81]

Everyone will be happy when the project is done. I will be home for graduation so I will take a look at that time.

[MTigers006]

I totally forgot there are extra stands that the district can rent if needed. Duh on my part! Still a State Championship! That is whats important to me. Thats really all that should be thought about at this point in time. I also forgot to concider the kids futures also outweigh what the stadium looks like. I admit and appolize to all that I was very foolish and selfish.

[Obie Wan]

The state needs to redo the school district boundaries.
OTOH, I suspect that there may be a lot of Massillon kids who live closer to Tuslaw than WHS. For that matter, MMS may be closer to Tuslaw than WHS.

In reality, though, open enrollment makes it all moot. It's easy enough for a kid in the new SE developments to go to WHS if they so choose. What we should be worrying about is why they don't so choose.

[MTigers006]

Good question ObieWan. Maybe DREAM can sway some of those young minds?

[mike_da_man13]

alright i have a plan how about we make mms the new high school and turn whs and ths either into satillite schools or middle schools? that would solve the problem in my opinion

[longtimefirsttime]

From Todd Porter's weekly prep notes coulmn (the usual TP disclaimer applies):
"Workers should begin rolling on new FieldTurf at Paul Brown Tiger Stadium on Monday. Meanwhile, Jeff David, president of the Paul and Carol David Foundation, said significant work should begin on the indoor training and educational complex next month. The plan is to have the 100-yard facility ready in October. Upgrading the locker rooms will be complete next year.

If the Bulldogs qualified for the postseason and needed an indoor facility to practice, would McKinley consider asking Massillon?

“No comment,” Cross said chuckling. “It’s a great situation to be able to have an indoor facility for bad weather and during the winter conditioning and running and things of that nature. It’s nice to have a place to play if you run into bad weather.”

The entire column can be read here:
http://cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=355371&r=1&subCategoryID=

Let's just say McKinley using Massillon's practice facility would be HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

[austinsm11]

I know some teams used the soccerdome to practice. Whatever happened to that? I believe it caved in from snow. Any word if it is/was going to be fixed?

[Die Hard Eric]

http://www.massillontigerhelmetproject.com/PBTS.htm

Added some photos of the Field Turf Installation.

Will update daily.

-dhe

[Spize]

From Todd Porter's weekly prep notes coulmn (the usual TP disclaimer applies):
"Workers should begin rolling on new FieldTurf at Paul Brown Tiger Stadium on Monday. Meanwhile, Jeff David, president of the Paul and Carol David Foundation, said significant work should begin on the indoor training and educational complex next month. The plan is to have the 100-yard facility ready in October. Upgrading the locker rooms will be complete next year.

If the Bulldogs qualified for the postseason and needed an indoor facility to practice, would McKinley consider asking Massillon?

“No comment,” Cross said chuckling. “It’s a great situation to be able to have an indoor facility for bad weather and during the winter conditioning and running and things of that nature. It’s nice to have a place to play if you run into bad weather.”

The entire column can be read here:
http://cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=355371&r=1&subCategoryID=

Let's just say McKinley using Massillon's practice facility would be HIGHLY UNLIKELY.


TP sounds ready to hand over the keys to Mck already doesn't he. Don't worry T.P. Mck will cry to the NFL and eventually get something too.

[MTIGER1]

If you were at the spring kickoff dinner, Jeff David said that no other team would use the Tigers home locker room. I would think that also includes the indoor facility. He referred to Mck as that team to the east. :gotigers: