License plate fee raised in Stark County

[obie7661]

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/17206555.htm

[Spize]

I thought Todd Bosley said he wouldn't need to raise taxes, that he would do a better job managing the budget than Richard Regula. BTW, Regula was that guy that made sure that stark county only spent money it had instead of going into debt for projects.

A democrat decides the taxpayer's burden isn't high enough and that the government is smarter than the people and can spend their money better than they can. I am shocked.... not.

[Kamd50]

Put the amount of $10 in perspective over a year's period and equate that with the condition of our roads due to our harsh weather. It is a small price to pay as opposed to costly car repairs due to damaged roads, etc. Even if you have more than one vehicle, say 2 or 3, that is still only 20 or 30 dollars more than what we already pay. Less than it costs to take a family out to dinner for one evening out of 365 days of the year. It was a necessary evil.

[massillon catholic]

Once again, Taxation without representation. This is illegal, in my opinion.

[section3]

it would be great if some of that money was spent in massillon instead of millions of dollars spent to widen roads and replace traffic light etc. etc. in the townships. i also wasn't to impressed by the photo op for the increase. why didn't he address the hazardous intersection as a trustee. is that intersection on the list of the engineers now??

[SuperBran]

paying $40 is nothing. i'd LOVE to pay that much each year. i have to pay a percentage of my car's value EVERY year for my renewal. last year i paid $300.....now that's something to complain about.

[massillon catholic]

paying $40 is nothing. i'd LOVE to pay that much each year. i have to pay a percentage of my car's value EVERY year for my renewal. last year i paid $300.....now that's something to complain about.


How do they determine the value of your car every year with miles and wear and tear?

[SuperBran]

How do they determine the value of your car every year with miles and wear and tear?


they have some crazy formula to determine the value. they don't take actual miles into account. they basically base it off of the model year. if you have a 2004 model with 10,000 miles on it, for example, you'll pay the same a someone with the same 2004 model with 100,000 miles on it. needless to say, the value of your call never matched up to the KBB value.

[massillon catholic]

they have some crazy formula to determine the value. they don't take actual miles into account. they basically base it off of the model year. if you have a 2004 model with 10,000 miles on it, for example, you'll pay the same a someone with the same 2004 model with 100,000 miles on it. needless to say, the value of your call never matched up to the KBB value.

So, someone with a 2004 model with 100,000 pays the same as someone with 10,000 miles?
Sounds like a screwy formula to me. I didn't figure the state would get short-changed!

[orangeblood]

Had the Massillon voters gone for the license plate fee hike a couple years ago when originally suggested, we would be getting the dough in this town. Now we get to pay for the benefit of Stark county. Lucky us.:doh:

[TigerLily]

I’m all for good roads (and I’ve often thought -- why can’t they come up with some space-age material to use that won’t crack and disintegrate). But, this is just another expense.

So I get a raise…. the price of my license goes up, gas goes up, groceries go up, postage goes up, electric goes up, the gas bill goes up, the water bill goes up, the phone goes up, health care goes up… and so on and so on.

I would like to at least dog paddle, but am barely treading water.

[massillon catholic]

I’m all for good roads (and I’ve often thought -- why can’t they come up with some space-age material to use that won’t crack and disintegrate). But, this is just another expense.

So I get a raise…. the price of my license goes up, gas goes up, groceries go up, postage goes up, electric goes up, the gas bill goes up, the water bill goes up, the phone goes up, health care goes up… and so on and so on.

I would like to at least dog paddle, but am barely treading water.

Unfortunately, the raises never match the price increases!

[gotigers1]

Once again, Taxation without representation. This is illegal, in my opinion.

Yes it is! I think the taxpayers should have a right to vote on this!:furious:

I am glad to say that I didn't vote for this goof!

[massillon catholic]

Yes it is! I think the taxpayers should have a right to vote on this!:furious:

I am glad to say that I didn't vote for this goof!


How do they get away with it? Isn't there any available re-course for the public?

[The Butler]

Once again, Taxation without representation. This is illegal, in my opinion.

Your elected representatives, in this case the County Commissioners, imposed the fee. You were represented. Also, 55% of the fee will be split with the cities and townships in the county. It's a reasonable increase for the county engineers office.

[jobdone]

Why is there so much concern about a $10.00 license plate increase every 20 years, when our sewer rates are increased $10.00 every year in the city and $12.00 every year in the county.

The sewer rate increase is used to fund some of the General Fund costs in the city, wages in the Engineering Department, wages for some street dept. employees, $100,000.00 to fund part of the Auditors Office, storm sewer cleaning and flood control costs.

Why vote on an income tax increase when the adminisration and city council can increase these sewer rates with no outcry from the citizens?

[Indiana95]

Why is there so much concern about a $10.00 license plate increase every 20 years, when our sewer rates are increased $10.00 every year in the city and $12.00 every year in the county.

The sewer rate increase is used to fund some of the General Fund costs in the city, wages in the Engineering Department, wages for some street dept. employees, $100,000.00 to fund part of the Auditors Office, storm sewer cleaning and flood control costs.

Why vote on an income tax increase when the adminisration and city council can increase these sewer rates with no outcry from the citizens?

Using monies from sewer/waste to fund the types of support and related services described above is not only legal, but common practice in many municipalities. The cost of doing business increases every year....that's a fact. Pick your option to fund it....income tax, higher user fees, etc.

[jobdone]

It is not practiced in cities that own the water companies or the electric providers. Use of sewer funds is an excuse for fooling the taxpayers. You are correct it is not illegal.

[longtimefirsttime]

"Mayor: City lost out on plate fee"
http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=16456&r=0&Category=3

[Indiana95]

It is not practiced in cities that own the water companies or the electric providers. Use of sewer funds is an excuse for fooling the taxpayers. You are correct it is not illegal.

Wrong again....Many cities who process/produce and sell their own water and electricity use their utility services as profit centers for subsidizing other general city government services. Check with Lake Worth and West Palm Beach Florida. There are 100's of examples all over the country. From what I see the City of Massillon has been creative and resourceful in this regard.

You may know a whole lot more than most people about treating poopy water, but your knowledge for how local government works is limited from what I see. Did the mayor not involve you in any non-sewer plant issues?

[Spize]

Using monies from sewer/waste to fund the types of support and related services described above is not only legal, but common practice in many municipalities. The cost of doing business increases every year....that's a fact. Pick your option to fund it....income tax, higher user fees, etc.


Unfortunately the morons that run the city of Massillon and those who support them never seem to notice the best way to increase funding. Attract jobs to the area, improve the pay of your citizens, and your revenues will go up. Income tax is a percentage, so the higher the wages, the more money you get!

Raising the taxable percentage to account for the prices of things going higher is a cop out and B.S. If you would fill downtown Massillon with businesses and put people to work downtown, and draw people to those businesses to shop, than you wouldn't have to paint pictures of people working and shopping in Massillon. If you worked to hop on the boom that many other areas around the country are enjoying, than this wouldn't even be an issue. What are we doing instead? Painting pictures, hoping that the people zooming, these days not as fast so they can avoid all the potholes, up 21 can glance over and think something is actually going on in this city? We are arguing over summer concerts, blocking businesses from moving onto a 5 LINE WIDE HIGHWAY that also happens to be the main drag through both of the largest cities and one of the top populated townships in Stark County, because "someone" doesn't like the developer who wants to do it. With this kind of Bullcrap going on, what idiots dare ask why more business from around the country don't choose to come here? I mean, who wouldn't want to do business with someone that is so piss poor in relations that the relations with the next door neighbors, Perry for example, are so piss poor it took 10 years to come together to repave a road. I can't imagine why noone is buying up all the old dead building here.

Think about it, we tear down perfectly good hotels so our devloper friends can make some more money off the city, they city blocks developement unless the mayor's friends are the ones doing the developement. The city appears to not care one bit that the worst road in the area is the one that most people that see Massillon drive on. The mayor is on the front page of the newspaper talking about how horrible it is that the city didn't raise the taxes fast enough. Not to mention the smell, the smell that won't go away... that got oddly stronger on May 9th... The smell coming from the treatment plant by wal-mart... you know, the one Massillon just got done spending years and multiple multiple millions of dollars expanding and renovating? The renovation that not only didn't fix the problem, but according to the mayor's excuses for it not fixing the most noticable problem also appears to have not accomplished anything it set out to do... What do you mean Spize? Here is what I mean... All this work and they could not fix the horrid smell that makes me drive to canton and belden to do the shopping I would normally do in that plaza. The horrid stink cloud that is stunting the developement of what would otherwise be the hottest growing developement in Stark County. The stench that has been reported by the Mayor's office and the Independent to be "gone" or "going away" every three months for the last 5 years. The one that the mayor blames on the plant being over capacity because of a few companies... wait, didn't we annex one of those companies and use the sewer lines to entice them to do so? That is beyond the point... the recently expanded, yet overloaded treatment plant... huh? We didn't have the foresight to figure out before the millions we were spending to expand the plant and the years of work on it, that the capacity wouldn't be enough after all was said and done? This isn't something that isn't difficult to predict either, so which is it? Did we botch the whole project by not fixing the problem, or did we botch the whole project by not building what we needed. Which way did we waste millions of dollars?

Why would anyone want to move their company to this circus?

[jobdone]

Amen!!