prank at WHS

[fellowship]

Just read the headlines for Tuesdays Rep and they said there was a prank at WHS where some inocent animals were injured and one died. I just hope whoever was responsible is punished.

[MTigers006]

Like being held from Graduation Ceremonies? I hope they drop the hammer on whoever did this. This is not a bit funny. I would not wanna be the person who did this when Officer Davis gets a hold of them. She is quite angry as she should be. This was a very childish act so the person should be dealt with as an unruly child and punished severely.

[obie7661]

http://www.floridatoday.com/blogs/jeffparkertoonsin/uploaded_images/070211-769000.gif

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Can someone get me a link to the story? I want to look into that. Thanks.

[obie7661]

cantonrep.com

[The Butler]

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=352997&r=0&Category=15&subCategoryID=0

[longtimefirsttime]

I understand senior pranks are not that unusual. But those responsible in this case displayed very poor judgement. Let that be a learning to those involved:
"There are consequences for your actions."

[TigerswillbeTigers]

The hazing of chickens, pigeons and a goat can't be ignored in light of todays environment. The fact that one pigeon committed suicide by flying into a pane of glass along with Ms. Huntsmans account that the goat seems stressed and could have actually hung itself on the chain around it's neck only ad to the stupidity of these offenders actions.
Lets not ignore the fact that the prank was obviously directed at Mr Fortner as well which should be a mitigating factor in the punishment handed down!

Suspension for the remainder of the year and all that results from it no matter how harsh the reality is where I would start!

[MTigers006]

I would start at NO COMMENCEMENT! Period. Banned from school grounds.

[PhotoObie]

I second the NO COMMENCEMENT. Then hit those jerks with nice sized fines, and just maybe they will learn a lesson. A prank is a prank, but this is just stupidity!

[shortbev]

question here...am i missing something??? suspend them??? not allow them to graduate??? isn't this rather extreme penalties???...

paris hilton is getting much less for violating her probation for driving drunk than that...babies are being killed daily because of "mother's rights"...and everyone feels that is okay because it's her "rights to control what happens to her body"... people are molesting little kids every day and just getting a few months behind bars (if any time at all)

and "this" is a "serious crime"???

other than the one bird that got scared and basically committed suicide, what harm was done to the animals??? were they permanently scarred for life??? were they stolen??? or did they belong to someone the kids knew???

if theft was involved...it changes how i view things...if not...then, i think we are making a huge mountain out of a molehill...


okay now...if we weren't trying to be "politically correct" on here...would you still say what was done was soooooo terribly wrong??? what are you saying in the privacy of your home, i wonder...

let's be real here...how many of us ever pull a prank of any sort??? how many people ever egged someone's house??? tomatoes??? sh....bagging??? now, those do some damage to a house...

i think we have taken things to such lengths it is slightly ridiculous...we come down on the kids for this...but, underage drinking is quite okay...because that is "what teens do at this age / at this time of year"??? how many people either attended a graduation party where this was allowed??? or may even be hosting one this year??? going to hooters is okay because it is a "guy thing"??? these are just a few examples that come to mind that seem to be a whole lot worse in my estimation than tying a goat to a fence and spraying him with a couple of numbers...

if this had been some ritual killings of the chickens... torture etc... then, i would have a serious problem...but, the chickens got flustered...but, then, that can happen to them in the barnyard too...the goat...will he die from the spray paint??? i don't think so...

of all the pranks these kids could have pulled off...this probably would ranking in the bottom hundred...

my son's school had goldfish in the toilets...they had mice running in the hallways...and one class tried to steal the local "big boy" and put it in the courtyard of the school...
the principal had a fit because they had ballons filled with shaving cream that they threw at the underclassmen as they came out of school on the last day for seniors...

would you really call these serious crimes??? or would they be something you should spend a saturday cleaning the hallways as punishment??? we really need to have the punishment fit the crime if we are going to have our kids take us seriously...if we come down on them for the least little things...they are going to figure that they may as well do the big stuff...and we don't want them to do that...

it is like a horse...you hold the reins too tightly and the horse will fight you all the way...win his trust by holding them loosely, but firmly...and he knows when you rein him it, it is serious stuff...and he needs to do what you ask him to do...the same for teens...

this is coming from a parent who rode many a bus with teenagers...some parents would have fits over them having pops on the buses...or get slightly loud...me, i would give them a little leeway...and when i said to settle, they would immediately,while they gave the other parents the raspberries behind their backs...

there needs to be balance...between no punishment...and extreme...i think suspension is extreme...

another suggestion...if this bothers you that much...why not have them work at the humane society for the summer??? to me, i think that is more a fitting punishment...and they will learn something from the experience while they are at it...

let the fun begin...this should stir up some interesting responses...

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Lets just slap em on the wrist and then say someone should of done something when the animals become humans or the HS students become college students and take swan dives of death off of 3rd floor hotel balconies in Cancun or Daytona on a "spring break dare"!

It's time to give youths like this a harsh dose reality. If not, Lifes gonna really suck for these kids as they grow older and no wiser!

[fyrewood]

Shortbev,

How dare you, these folks are busy being outraged on a public forum and you come in here making all that sense and ruin it.... To me it sounds like an innocent high school prank that went a little wrong and a few animal loving tree huggers are blowing it way out of proportion.....A few animals were "stressed out", oh my! What's the world coming too? One stupid pigeon flew into a wall and died, Oh NO! Our children are going to be like Jeffrey Dahmer, they're abusing animals now and they'll end up serial killers later if we don't do something, cause the Inde and Miss Vickie the dog warden say so....PUHLEEZE!

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I guess the intended sarcasm begining with the first sentence of my first post was less than obvious and may have incited some of the previous responses.

For that I'm sorry! :upside:

FYI! I found the incident to be a "high school prank" gone awry as well!

[Tiger2001]

The first farm animal prank I saw was back in 2000. I was a junior. I tell you what, that 2000 class was nuts! Funny how this same pranks has gone on for years and its been funny until now. Now its in the papers and people are going nuts. I think everyone needs to calm down. Community service sounds fine to me.

[fellowship]

I think a good punischment would be cleaning out some horse stalls. Those responsible need more than a slap on the wrist. Also what were they doing out pass curfew? Getting into trouble that was what they were doing. Another possible punishament would be to tie them to a pole and leave them there overnight preferably a night with a nice storm.

[fyrewood]

Even the lady from Stump Hill Farm said on Channel 19 news that it was just a stupid prank and all the animals are "basically fine".....Well all except for the one rat with feathers, errr I mean pigeon that committed suicide...

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

I feel terrible for those sick and wounded animals. Whoever is responsible should be punished to the fullest extent of the Massillon city laws.

Low down, dirty, snake in the grass.........

Thanks for the links provided.

[SuperBran]

paris hilton is getting much less for violating her probation for driving drunk than that...

didn't hilton get 45 days in jail? i wouldn't call that "much less."

[SuperBran]

A few animals were "stressed out", oh my! What's the world coming too? One stupid pigeon flew into a wall and died, Oh NO! Our children are going to be like Jeffrey Dahmer, they're abusing animals now and they'll end up serial killers later if we don't do something, cause the Inde and Miss Vickie the dog warden say so....PUHLEEZE!

well, some people on here seem to think that kids will turn into serial killers if they don't have school prayer, so i guess anything's possible.

animal cruelty is against the law, plain and simple. it doesn't matter if they were only "stressed out." assault is a crime. should i be able to wave a gun at people and then say "well, your honor, that guy was just a little 'stressed out' so it's no problem"? the law's the law.

[shortbev]

why is there not the same amount of outrage for things like abortion...which, not matter how much you want to sugarcoat it, is the killing of a developing human being???

we wonder why the world is the way it is??? that is why...we have our priorities of life totally screwed up...what should be wrong is right and what we view as a terrible sin, is only a misdemeanor...

oh, the poor animals (disclaimer here: i am not an animal hater)...what about all the poor children and babies??? where is the outrage for them...when that happens, then i will get pushed out of shape over a poor little goat getting tattooed with "07" on him...right now, it may just reach slightly annoyed...and i still say "let them shovel a little crap at the humane society as punishment"...don't take away graduation...or suspend them...that is overkill...

and as for paris hilton, she was just the first example that came to mind...there could be list a mile long if i did some serious thinking about it...

[massillon catholic]

Come on ! This was an intended joke that inadvertantly went to far because a pigeon didn't see a window. This is probably the same pigeon that ----'s on my windshield everyday. From what I gathered the students didn't intend to harm the animals. Besides, they were living at Stump Hill farm, which ain't exactly the Hilton. Sometimes, the over-reaction to these types of situations is more than the incident, itself. They are teenagers and they made a error in judgement. Let's not execute them. One final word, if the situation was directed at Fortner, perhaps a Donkey would have been more appropriate.

[SuperBran]

why is there not the same amount of outrage for things like abortion...which, not matter how much you want to sugarcoat it, is the killing of a developing human being???

we wonder why the world is the way it is??? that is why...we have our priorities of life totally screwed up...what should be wrong is right and what we view as a terrible sin, is only a misdemeanor...

oh, the poor animals (disclaimer here: i am not an animal hater)...what about all the poor children and babies??? where is the outrage for them...when that happens, then i will get pushed out of shape over a poor little goat getting tattooed with "07" on him...right now, it may just reach slightly annoyed...and i still say "let them shovel a little crap at the humane society as punishment"...don't take away graduation...or suspend them...that is overkill...

and as for paris hilton, she was just the first example that came to mind...there could be list a mile long if i did some serious thinking about it...


this thread is about kids abusing animals. you can't justify it by saying that there are bigger worries in the world. yes, the abortion debate may be much more important, but that doesn't distract from what these kids did.

the right to personal autonomy and privacy are protected by the constitution.....abusing animals is not.

[SuperBran]

From what I gathered the students didn't intend to harm the animals.

and people who drive drunk don't intend on killing people, but sometimes that happens.

[massillon catholic]

and people who drive drunk don't intend on killing people, but sometimes that happens.


Drunk driving and tying up a goat...Two differant issues

[hexumjunkie]

Personally I Thought It Was A Good Funny Prank...the Papers And Todays Elders Just Want To Slam Today's Youth And Make It Out To Be The Worse Case Scenario. The Chickens Were Meant To Die Anyways...and Get Alot Worse Injury To Them Over In Cantwin At Park Farms... The Goat Yeah Maybe The Shoulda Used A Waterbase Paint But. Everyone In Here Slamming These Kids Messing With There Futures, Think To Yourself What Kinda Shit Did U Pull When U Were Young? No Ones Perfect The Kids Had A Little Fun No One Was Hurt...end Of Story...im Sure If The Kids Responsible Could Come Clean Just Knowing They Could Take The Animals Back With No Trouble They Would.

[SuperBran]

Drunk driving and tying up a goat...Two differant issues

you've missed the point entirely.

two different issues....same argument. it doesn't matter if they intended to harm the animals. all that matters is that they did harm the animals. drunk drivers don't intend on killing the people that they kill, however they willfully engage in the actions that cause injury and/or death. just as a drunk driver can't say "gee, i didn't intend on killing those people" and expect a slap on the wrist and not to be charged with manslaughter, a person who engages in animal cruelty can't say "well, i didn't intend to harming an animal" and expect to get off easy. those animals were abused and they should pay the price.

[SuperBran]

The Chickens Were Meant To Die Anyways...and Get Alot Worse Injury To Them Over In Cantwin At Park Farms

so if i engage in reckless behavior while driving and kill someone who only had 6 months to live, i should be able to say "well your honor, he only had 6 months to live b/c his body was ravaged by cancer, so i should get a break because he was going to die anyway. in fact, he died instantaneously and didn't suffer like he would have had he lived, so i did something nice"?

the law is the law.

Everyone In Here Slamming These Kids Messing With There Futures, Think To Yourself What Kinda Shit Did U Pull When U Were Young?

kids have to learn to take responsibility for what they do. that's life. these kids weren't forced to do anything. if you don't want to be punished, then don't do the crime. plain and simple. i have no sympathy for the kids.

[Dr Strangemind]

Bush & Chaney were behind it!

[Mass6]

I know the shit I used to pull resulted in an A@s whooping when I got home, that I bet these kids won't get! That's the difference, you can say all you want that it is a hapless prank, but they were out past curfew, stealing animals, and those are both against the law, but why would they care. Just a joke, tell that to your boss when you don't finish a project, see how that goes over!

[massillon catholic]

you've missed the point entirely.

two different issues....same argument. it doesn't matter if they intended to harm the animals. all that matters is that they did harm the animals. drunk drivers don't intend on killing the people that they kill, however they willfully engage in the actions that cause injury and/or death. just as a drunk driver can't say "gee, i didn't intend on killing those people" and expect a slap on the wrist and not to be charged with manslaughter, a person who engages in animal cruelty can't say "well, i didn't intend to harming an animal" and expect to get off easy. those animals were abused and they should pay the price.

I get the point! But, accidently killing a person and accidently killing a pigeon are two different issues. You want to penalize as if they killed a person. If they were out past curfew, then give them the penalty. But, don't string them up!

[OTC TIGER]

Bush & Chaney were behind it!

:lol: :lol:

[Mcfan]

How much do you guys want to bet Shortbev has one of those 1960's Bee hive hairdo's or a 1980's perm? We should spray paint 07 onto that big ole fro of hers. Even better- if she has a dog or cat we should just spray paint them. I would guarantee she would be all over the news crying about it. I'm glad this story is getting some airtime- the penalty for abusing animals is pretty much a slap on the wrist, so anytime it makes the news at least it makes people think.

[massillon catholic]

How much do you guys want to bet Shortbev has one of those 1960's Bee hive hairdo's or a 1980's perm? We should spray paint 07 onto that big ole fro of hers. Even better- if she has a dog or cat we should just spray paint them. I would guarantee she would be all over the news crying about it. I'm glad this story is getting some airtime- the penalty for abusing animals is pretty much a slap on the wrist, so anytime it makes the news at least it makes people think.


What happened isn't any worse than having an underground electric fence for a dog.

[shortbev]

if you ever found a picture with me having either one of those hair dos...you could do whatever you wanted with it...won't happen, unless it is computer generated...

i would not be all over the news crying over a dog...he is just a dog...however, i would be crying over the PEOPLE that i care about much more than that...i learned that through the death of my first husband...it is PEOPLE THAT COUNT

we are so much more caring about our animals than we are about our kids...it starts before they are even born...and continues throughout their lives...that is why some do what they do...they are seeking the love and attention that they lack...

in this case it was to blow off steam at the administration of the high school...a last harrah...and flipping them the bird (so to speak)...on the scale of one to ten (ten being the worst) of offenses in life...i think it may make it to a one or a two...

all i have been trying to say on here...is keep things in perspective...yes, what they did was not totally right...however, stringing them up like they were murderers or horse theives is simply way overboard...

make the penalty fit the crime...have them work at the humane society for the summer...scooping the poop...etc...a concrete lesson like that would teach them much more than being suspended from a high school you will never see after this spring anyway...a person graduates and moves on...this isnt' the end of life...quit treating it like it is...

beyond that, it is totally too much...

so again, when y'all are treating the people around you as God intended you to...Love them, that is...then you can come back to me and begin gripping about how we take care of our animals...but, until then...

[SuperBran]

I get the point! But, accidently killing a person and accidently killing a pigeon are two different issues. You want to penalize as if they killed a person. If they were out past curfew, then give them the penalty. But, don't string them up!

oh my god, now you're WAY off. here's the point....

these kids BROKE A LAW by ABUSING animals. it doesn't matter if they didn't intend the result.

where did i say that we should penalize them as if they killed a person? i simply stated that drunk drivers don't get off when they kill someone simply b/c they didn't mean to harm anyone, and people who harm animals and break the law should not get off easily simply b/c they were too stupid to consider a possible result and the ramifications.

i have no sympathy for these kids. they broke the law and should be punished accordingly.

[Mass6]

"we are so much more caring about our animals than we are about our kids...it starts before they are even born...and continues throughout their lives...that is why some do what they do...they are seeking the love and attention that they lack..."

Are you kidding me??? You can't be serious, love and attention is the furthest thing these kids were thinking about when they did this. And if it was attention, it wasn't from their parents, so get real. People giving excuses like this is the reason these kids do wrong, because they know someone will bail them out. On the surface it appears to be a petty prank, but when you look at it, these are seniors who are getting ready to shed their childhood and come into the real world, where pranks get you in a lot of trouble. If they were Freshman, I could see your reasoning, but these are adults who should be held responsible. The real world will be one hell of a wake up call for these kids!

[SuperBran]

i would not be all over the news crying over a dog...he is just a dog...however, i would be crying over the PEOPLE that i care about much more than that...i learned that through the death of my first husband...it is PEOPLE THAT COUNT

so animals don't count at all and we should condone animal abuse? what kind of society would we be then? yep, let's just allow people to torture animals in any way they want.

we are so much more caring about our animals than we are about our kids...it starts before they are even born...and continues throughout their lives...that is why some do what they do...they are seeking the love and attention that they lack...

this is absolutely ridiculous. if you think that society cares more about animals than kids you seriously need help.

all i have been trying to say on here...is keep things in perspective...yes, what they did was not totally right...however, stringing them up like they were murderers or horse theives is simply way overboard...

who's "stringing them up like they are murderers or horse thieves"? they broke a law and should be punished accordingly. if i remember correctly, animal abuse is a misdemeanor in the second degree, which could carry up to 90 days in jail. perhaps you should go to the court and protest.

make the penalty fit the crime...have them work at the humane society for the summer...scooping the poop...etc...a concrete lesson like that would teach them much more than being suspended from a high school you will never see after this spring anyway...a person graduates and moves on...this isnt' the end of life...quit treating it like it is...

beyond that, it is totally too much...

see above.

so again, when y'all are treating the people around you as God intended you to...Love them, that is...then you can come back to me and begin gripping about how we take care of our animals...but, until then...

doesn't god say that you should love all of his creatures? "ya'll" should read the bible. i guess we should shun noah.

[massillon catholic]

oh my god, now you're WAY off. here's the point....

these kids BROKE A LAW by ABUSING animals. it doesn't matter if they didn't intend the result.

where did i say that we should penalize them as if they killed a person? i simply stated that drunk drivers don't get off when they kill someone simply b/c they didn't mean to harm anyone, and people who harm animals and break the law should not get off easily simply b/c they were too stupid to consider a possible result and the ramifications.

i have no sympathy for these kids. they broke the law and should be punished accordingly.


You probably eat Chicken, Steak, Hamburg, Pork and call what the kids did as animal abuse? Gas prices are way up, are you against drilling for oil in the Artic because you want to save the animals there? I certainly hope you never make a mistake. They made a mistake and a dirty pigeon died. Get over it:wtf:

[SuperBran]

You probably eat Chicken, Steak, Hamburg, Pork and call what the kids did as animal abuse? Gas prices are way up, are you against drilling for oil in the Artic because you want to save the animals there? I certainly hope you never make a mistake. They made a mistake and a dirty pigeon died. Get over it:wtf:

so eating an animal constitutes abuse? that's a new one. correct me if i'm wrong, but there's no law against using animals for food.

they broke a law and should be punished accordingly. we shouldn't baby these kids. if you do the crime then you should accept the consequences.

you won't find me making stupid mistakes like this. i'm smart enough to know that there are consequences to your actions.

if you think their punishment is too harsh, then i suggest you go fight the law. laws are made for a reason.

get over it.

my whole point has to do with the law that was broken. it doesn't matter how you feel about animals.....the law was broken and they have to be punished.

[Mass6]

I'm with ya Superbran. I am not looking completely at the animals as much as the theft and curfew law breaking. Wasn't there a strand opened up earlier about curfew??? Oh yea, and I am sure I read:


"Massillon catholic:"

Where are the parents who allow their teens to roam the night? I do know the old trick used by teens to tell their parents that they are spending the night at a friends and then the friend tells his parents that he is staying the night as his friends and then they are out all night. A simple phone call from a responsible parent to the home of the other parents would nip this in the bud!

Sorry I don't know how to post the quotes like everyone else, but you look like a hipocrite trying to bail out the kids and overlooking the issue that you have a problem with in an earlier post. SuperBran has a point and it is not all about the animals it is about the laws that were broken!

[chap]

I think a good beating with a wet noodle should get their attention!

[massillon catholic]

I'm with ya Superbran. I am not looking completely at the animals as much as the theft and curfew law breaking. Wasn't there a strand opened up earlier about curfew??? Oh yea, and I am sure I read:


"Massillon catholic:"

Where are the parents who allow their teens to roam the night? I do know the old trick used by teens to tell their parents that they are spending the night at a friends and then the friend tells his parents that he is staying the night as his friends and then they are out all night. A simple phone call from a responsible parent to the home of the other parents would nip this in the bud!

Sorry I don't know how to post the quotes like everyone else, but you look like a hipocrite trying to bail out the kids and overlooking the issue that you have a problem with in an earlier post. SuperBran has a point and it is not all about the animals it is about the laws that were broken!

Read my post on this thread. I said if they violated the curfew, then punish them for it. I'm no hypocrite, you jumped the gun before you did a thorough research of the facts.

Superbran:

Do you think the animals that you eat are better off than the goat that was tied up? Just because it's legal, justifies your reasoning that it is OK to kill the animals. Sounds like a bunch of double-talk to me. Its legal to have sex with a 16 year old as long as you aren't the parent, step-parent, or a person of authority... Do you agree with this? Would it be your position that it is OK, since its legal?? And before some you you idiots get on here and say its not legal, check it out first.

[Mass6]

I see where you put that if they were out past curfew then give them the penalty, and I did my research, so look at your next line where you tell us not to string them up. How else are they going to learn that stealing and curfew violations are serious? I'm not trying to argue with you or anything trust me, I just think they need to be held responsible and it shouldn't be overlooked. A slap on the wrist today is more like being told no in the past, the kids don't worry about it.

[massillon catholic]

I see where you put that if they were out past curfew then give them the penalty, and I did my research, so look at your next line where you tell us not to string them up. How else are they going to learn that stealing and curfew violations are serious? I'm not trying to argue with you or anything trust me, I just think they need to be held responsible and it shouldn't be overlooked. A slap on the wrist today is more like being told no in the past, the kids don't worry about it.


Whatever the penalty for curfew violation is, is what they should get. Maybe some community service at an animal shelter. But, some on here are calling for swift and sever punishment. Every Sr. Class does something every year at every school. This is not that big of a deal, as some on here would like to make it out to be.

[Mass6]

If the animals weren't stolen, I would agree with you. If they were off of some kids farm, fine. Pranks do happen and are usually overlooked, but theft is a different issue. I know it is a reach, but the kids could have been hurt (shot) while taking the animals and people overlook this issue. I'm with you on the prank not being that bad, but the theft and curfew should be addressed to a point that the kids don't forget.

[massillon catholic]

If the animals weren't stolen, I would agree with you. If they were off of some kids farm, fine. Pranks do happen and are usually overlooked, but theft is a different issue. I know it is a reach, but the kids could have been hurt (shot) while taking the animals and people overlook this issue. I'm with you on the prank not being that bad, but the theft and curfew should be addressed to a point that the kids don't forget.


Agreed!

[Kamd50]

Every year there are pranks pulled by Seniors at WHS, but none of them have involved animals like this to the best of my recollection over recent years.

I don't think it was the worst thing in the world, but at the same time is WAS very stupid and thoughtless! Let me go out on a limb here and assume that these kids are not a bunch of dummies that didn't know better or that don't know how to think. I would think quite the contrary, actually. They certainly knew they were doing wrong by "stealing" animals. Regardless of anything else, they stole someone else's property. And there is not a one of them that doesn't know that is against the law. Further, I am absolutely positive that anyone who is a Senior is completely aware of what has happened to other individuals in their past 4 years of attending WHS when they got caught pulling a prank.

In fact, 4 years ago some Sr. boys dressed like girls and came into the lunchroom and danced around etc. just being funny. These guys got into so much trouble over that and were threatened with not being allowed to walk at graduation until their parents took it up with the school. Now this was a harmless funny prank which didn't hurt anyone or anything and the punishment that was originally set was waaaaaaaay out of line. I would call it anal.

My point is, if this is how those kids were treated over basically nothing, what do you think is going to happen to these kids? And for that reason alone, these guys should have known better because the past is certainly public knowledge amongst the students. So, if they went ahead with something as stupid as this anyway, then I can't feel sorry for them. They KNEW the risk they were taking and the consequences they would face if they get caught.

They should have used their imaginations and at least come up with something that didn't have the potential to cause another living thing harm.
I am disappointed in their stupidity.

[austinsm11]

This made the morning news all the way down here in Charlotte.

When I was in high school one of the seniors put in a porno. My teacher was too short to reach the tv to turn it off.

[Mass6]

Austin, what year did you graduate, I remember that happening at Massillon when I was a Soph. PM me if you want to keep it private.

[massillon catholic]

This made the morning news all the way down here in Charlotte.

When I was in high school one of the seniors put in a porno. My teacher was too short to reach the tv to turn it off.


According to the logic of some posters on here, those Seniors should have been executed. I simply would have required the boys to spend a night with Pamela Anderson and the girls a night with Ron Jeremy!

[austinsm11]

According to the logic of some posters on here, those Seniors should have been executed. I simply would have required the boys to spend a night with Pamela Anderson and the girls a night with Ron Jeremy!

With all the STD's, wouldn't that amount to an eventual death as well?

Mass6, I graduated in 98.

[Tiger2001]

Wow! Everyone should step back and calm down. Stop comparing goats and pigeons to abortions and domestic pets. I care about these kids more than a damn farm animal. Calm down...

[DAWGH8R]

The who's who, on the list of perps is about what I expected. Hopefully, they'll get to "walk" with the rest of the kids.

Maybe in the future, the coaches can convince these guys in the month of APRIL, of things NOT to do in May !!!:rockin:

[mike_da_man13]

i think your all over reacting building a mountain out of an ant hill. who cares

[SuperBran]

Superbran:

Do you think the animals that you eat are better off than the goat that was tied up? Just because it's legal, justifies your reasoning that it is OK to kill the animals. Sounds like a bunch of double-talk to me. Its legal to have sex with a 16 year old as long as you aren't the parent, step-parent, or a person of authority... Do you agree with this? Would it be your position that it is OK, since its legal?? And before some you you idiots get on here and say its not legal, check it out first.

how many times do i have to keep saying it?? i'll say it one more time and hope that it finally sinks in....

these kids broke a law. they should be held accountable. if these kids go hunting and kill an animal and/or eat it, then there's no problem at all since it is LEGAL. if these kids had sex with an 16 year old, and it came within the statute, i wouldn't be saying they should be punished b/c it would be LEGAL. what you agree with and what is legal/illegal do not always go hand in hand. if you think that they're just animals and could care less, it doesn't matter....the bottom line is that there is a law and they violated it. we have laws for a reason. if you don't agree with the law then take it up with the legislature. these kids chose to do what they did, and now must take responsibility for their actions. boo friggin' hoo. i'll take up a collection to purchase justin timberlake's "cry me a river" single so the kids can play it while they weep.

you're probably one of the many people who complain about how courts are too lenient with sexual offenders, murderers, etc......yet argues for leniency for certain other offenses. you can't have it both ways. if you want the courts to be strict in their decisions, they must be strict in all cases.

don't say it's double-talk just to make up for the fact that you can't comprehend what i'm saying.

[massillon catholic]

how many times do i have to keep saying it?? i'll say it one more time and hope that it finally sinks in....

these kids broke a law. they should be held accountable. if these kids go hunting and kill an animal and/or eat it, then there's no problem at all since it is LEGAL. if these kids had sex with an 16 year old, and it came within the statute, i wouldn't be saying they should be punished b/c it would be LEGAL. what you agree with and what is legal/illegal do not always go hand in hand. if you think that they're just animals and could care less, it doesn't matter....the bottom line is that there is a law and they violated it. we have laws for a reason. if you don't agree with the law then take it up with the legislature. these kids chose to do what they did, and now must take responsibility for their actions. boo friggin' hoo. i'll take up a collection to purchase justin timberlake's "cry me a river" single so the kids can play it while they weep.

you're probably one of the many people who complain about how courts are too lenient with sexual offenders, murderers, etc......yet argues for leniency for certain other offenses. you can't have it both ways. if you want the courts to be strict in their decisions, they must be strict in all cases.

don't say it's double-talk just to make up for the fact that you can't comprehend what i'm saying.

You are confused. I comprehend what you are saying, but I don't agree with it. That's two differant things. My feelings on penalties for crime are they should fit the crime. A child molester should be killed. The accidental death of a pigeon, maybe some type of community service at an animal shelter. Curfew violation, what ever the statue suggests, I don't know what it is in Massillon. But, those should be the penalties, not banned from the grad ceremony. And, I don't know these kids at all, so I have nothing in it.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Mass6,

No matter who is responsible...they should be dealt with...no questions asked. Give them the leather, ban them from graduation, take away their summer privileges...whatever it takes!

If someone did something like that at Mount Union College...they wouldn't be on the campus for long! And we both can attest to this!!

[SuperBran]

A child molester should be killed.

so you are allowed to believe that child molesters should be killed (although that's not the actualy penalty) but people aren't entitled to believe that these kids shouldn't walk at graduation? you're entitled to your opinion, as others are entitled to their opinions.

these kids haven't been been punished yet (in fact, have they even been caught??), so why get all bent out of shape about their punishment when it hasn't come to be. if people feel that they should be banned from graduation, they're certainly entitle to their opinion.....just as you are entitled to think that they should get a break.

[Kamd50]

It looks like there are these new fangled things that they have in the school nowadays called "cameras", and they actually do work:doh: I feel bad for these kids' parents who are all very good people. Hopefully, they can work things out in a fair and practical manner.

[Mass6]

Mass6,

No matter who is responsible...they should be dealt with...no questions asked. Give them the leather, ban them from graduation, take away their summer privileges...whatever it takes!

If someone did something like that at Mount Union College...they wouldn't be on the campus for long! And we both can attest to this!!

You got that right Keno!!!

[massillon catholic]

so you are allowed to believe that child molesters should be killed (although that's not the actualy penalty) but people aren't entitled to believe that these kids shouldn't walk at graduation? you're entitled to your opinion, as others are entitled to their opinions.

these kids haven't been been punished yet (in fact, have they even been caught??), so why get all bent out of shape about their punishment when it hasn't come to be. if people feel that they should be banned from graduation, they're certainly entitle to their opinion.....just as you are entitled to think that they should get a break.

I never said that others weren't entitled to their opinion. I only offered my opinion. I don't know whether they've been caught nor do I have any idea who they might be. My only point is that I wouldn't hope the punishment is too severe to affect their graduation. They broke the law, it should be handled by the law, whatever the penalties may be. Suspending them from graduation and penalizing them through the courts appears to me to be punishing them twice for the same offense.

[Kamd50]

I am pretty sure that they will get to attend graduation. Also, I am pretty sure now, that they did not indeed steal the animals, but rather purchased them. And am also pretty sure that it has been estabilished that there was no deliberate animal cruelty involved nor any charges to the kind. I'm pretty sure. However, appropriate punishment will be served by the students involved.:thumbsup: And I sincerely hope the boys have learned a lesson.

[Seeker]

From what I hear...there were two different groups involved.
NONE of the animals were stolen.

Animal Control did more damage to the animals while trying to gather them up than the kids did.

I also hope that they do not keep the kids out of the ceremonies.
Taking away a once in a lifetime experience would not be fair punishment.


:sad:

[massillon catholic]

From what I hear...there were two different groups involved.
NONE of the animals were stolen.

Animal Control did more damage to the animals while trying to gather them up than the kids did.

I also hope that they do not keep the kids out of the ceremonies.
Taking away a once in a lifetime experience would not be fair punishment.


:sad:

Just think, there were posters on here who wanted to hang these kids for stealing the animals. Ha Ha Ha And, now to find out the animals weren't even stolen. Ha Ha Ha . Get the facts before making a judgment on these kids. These posters look dumber than the goat!

[longtimefirsttime]

I said they should face SOME punishment, to show their are consequences for actions in life. But some wanted these kids lining up for a firing squad.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

longtimefirsttime,

Firing squad is a bit too harsh. Utah is the only state that has that to this day.

But the perpetrators responsible should be dealt with to the max. I don't know how but if it means them not making the same mistake again, then I'm all for it.

[Mass6]

After seeing that the animals were not stolen, I apologize for being upset at the kids for what reports were out there. I wasn't making assumptions, just posting on what was said. Again I was wrong and apologize for what I posted about the kids stealing.

[SuperBran]

Just think, there were posters on here who wanted to hang these kids for stealing the animals. Ha Ha Ha And, now to find out the animals weren't even stolen. Ha Ha Ha . Get the facts before making a judgment on these kids. These posters look dumber than the goat!

who are these posters who wanted to hang these kids for stealing??? read through the posts again and you'll see that most posts simply said that they should be punished accordingly for theft.

get the facts straight?? funny how you actually thought that the animals were stolen. the article said that these animals were believed to be stolen, and so people commented on that fact. they based their comments on the article, as you did.

[Obie Wan]

Seems to me that being falsely accused of theft is some manner of punishment in and of itself.

[massillon catholic]

who are these posters who wanted to hang these kids for stealing??? read through the posts again and you'll see that most posts simply said that they should be punished accordingly for theft.

get the facts straight?? funny how you actually thought that the animals were stolen. the article said that these animals were believed to be stolen, and so people commented on that fact. they based their comments on the article, as you did.


Why would the article even suggest the animals were "believed to be stolen" if they had no evidence to support that claim? News companies have had a history of making a story sound "juicier" than it actually is just to sell papers. I think the kids should be able to walk into their graduation ceremony with the goat!

[massillon catholic]

Seems to me that being falsely accused of theft is some manner of punishment in and of itself.


They are lucky that the kids names weren't posted in the paper!

[5starred]

A long long time ago I was party to a high school prank. I was a senior about two weeks from graduating. After the first week that passed I thought I as safe when the bottom fell out of our lives ( so to speak ).
Our punishment, we had to tell our parents and bring a letter signed by a parent. Then we were made to go to the teachers home and tell the whole family we were sorry and offer to do what ever work around the house that they may liked done.
In todays world thing are so different, kid and parents don't give a damn. For me it was the worst kind of punishment ! Not to be allowed to walk for graduation was a double whammy ! All in all I did everything I was told to do , got to graduate, and ended my pranking days.
Its hard to say what punishment will make an impression on the kids. It does not warrant throwing away the key.
I think the kid involved should be made to apologize to everyone at graduation, publicly, in front of everyone, short well written to the point and sit down. IMO

[SuperBran]

Seems to me that being falsely accused of theft is some manner of punishment in and of itself.


not when your names aren't posted.

[bthart22]

Any time you mention Paris Hilton as any justification of your position, you've already lost the debate.

[Obie Wan]

Suspension? Alternate school? Community Service? All for painting a goat and letting some birds loose? A little overkill, innit?

Jesus. They'd put these kids in prison for the stuff we did.

Seems to me that an afternoon shoveling out the barn and slopping the hogs at some guy's farm would be more appropriate.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

OW brings a true voice of reason to this situation and makes way to much sense! Lets see if the powers to be have the ability to put this matter into proper perspective as he and some other posters have.

:thumbsup:

[TigerDL71]

I don't know about this year or not but I know that in years past they have warned kids before hand that pranks and things of that nature will cause students not to walk at graduation. I am not saying that this is right at all because to me its totally stupid but if that was stated before they should stick by this. The students knew the punishment if they commited the crime.Again im not saying that the punishment fits the crime

[Chubby Tiger]

These kids need to know that in the real world consequences are a for real thing. Most of these kids coming out of Massillon think that they are above the law and do not realize the seriousness of the behavior they partake in. They need to be held out of graduation ceremonies and be assigned a good deal of community service so they can realize how STUPID this prank was. I would like to think that they have learned by now that by doing a "prank" like they did, that the identity of the students would travel by world of mouth. However, this must have not crossed the minds of these students. They need to get their heads in the right place and a harsh awakening through punishment is necessary. They are going into the real world after June 3 and need to know what is and is not acceptable in society. The prank they pulled is a sign of immaturity and they need to be punished before they go into the real world and find out things are not always as easy as they have been at Massillon.

[Obie Wan]

They need to be held out of graduation ceremonies and be assigned a good deal of community service so they can realize how STUPID this prank was. ... They need to get their heads in the right place and a harsh awakening through punishment is necessary.
It's more accurate to say you need to get your head out of the wrong place.

The prank they pulled is a sign of immaturity and they need to be punished before they go into the real world and find out things are not always as easy as they have been at Massillon.
Right. How dare these kids act like kids.

And what is the big deal about marching at graduation? Since when is getting a head start on the party considered to be punishment?

[Chubby Tiger]

First off, do not tell me to get my head in the right place when you have no idea who I am and what I am doing with my life because I think you would say the exact opposite if you actually knew a thing about me. On your other critique of my post, walking at graduation is nothing, it is a great honor to walk at high school graduation. When I graduated with honors it was a very rewarding experience to see that all my hard work payed off and it is the last time that the senior class is together as one. To say that graduation is an early exit to the party is an immature line.

[Kamd50]

Of course it was immature, they are kids. Agree with what they did or not (using animals for a prank, and I don't), who here can actually claim themselves to have been mature at the age of 18 and keep a straight face:rock:
If we would judge soley by the posts made on Massillon Proud sometimes, there are many more adults that are immature as well.

And seeing how it has been clearly shown that they bought the animals and didn't steal them, as we were lead to believe by reports in the paper, they did not commit any criminal offenses. Additionally, the animals were declared to not have been abused by local animal experts, as again, we were lead to believe by the media. I actually said before that I was disappointed in the stupidity of this particular prank and wished they had come up with something more creative and not have used living creatures. I still feel the same about that. But they are not criminals.

I think the punishment is fair in so far as the kids at the highschool know what kind of policy is favored in dealing with pranks. They all know that if they get caught, they risk the chance of Not partaking in their graduation ceremony. I personally feel that a week of alternate school would be long enough, as opposed for the remainder of their school days left.

In reality, keeping a kid from graduation is really a punishment for the parents, grandparents, etc. and therefore inappropriate.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Kamd50!

"In reality, keeping a kid from graduation is really a punishment for the parents, grandparents, etc. and therefore inappropriate."

Holy mackerel! That wasn't the case when two Jackson High School students hacked into some computers, accessed teachers information, and changed their grades so they could graduate with honors I think two years ago.

Kids that make mistakes should be held liable, no matter what. By the way, the two Jackson kids didn't get to be a part of commencement ceremonies.

[Kamd50]

There is absolutely no comparison to these two situations Keno! This was a senior prank. The other was a deceitful, coniving, shameful, dishonorable, criminal offense that warranted harsh punishment:bomb:

[Kamd50]

Maybe some on here are unclear on something. The students are being held accountable and receiving punishment, as they should be. They also are going to be allowed to partake in the graduation activities, as they should be also.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Kamd50,

You won't get an argument here from me. Even though the actions discussed were wrong, I am sure the seniors will understand that.

I don't have a problem with being wrong in my stances, if I can understand the stance of another, it helps to do such in my case.

[Chubby Tiger]

If they get to walk at graduation this will just open up the door for next years prank. By allowing them to walk all we are doing is giving them a slap on the wrist and saying everything is going to be fine. Until they deal out a harsh consequence for these senior pranks they will continue until somebody is hurt or something serious happens. The previous two years groups of students have climbed on the roof at WHS in order to pull off a prank. What if one of the kids fell off the roof or fell through the glass that they painted in 2005, or in 2006 while hanging a sign on the school if a kid falls off the roof while mounting the sign? The administration must take a stand against these "pranks" at some point and impose harsh consequences before something seriously bad occurs. I do not want to see these young men with any type of criminal charges because I know they are all good guys and will be productive members of society, but a little community service would not hurt anybody. Also, exemption from graduation ceremonies would not be terribly out of line because then the kids can see that no matter who you are, nobody is above the discipline at WHS.

[Kamd50]

Did you not read my previous post that stated that they ARE being held accountable and disciplined? Which, just to make you happy, does include community service:tounge: I do believe those kids used a ladder for those other pranks, it is not like they scaled the walls like spiderman or something. And if they would have gotten hurt, then unfortunately, that would be their and their parents' own problems, not the schools.
And none of those kids or the kids before them or the kids that dressed in girls clothing and caused a "disturband" lol, in the lunchroom were barred from walking in graduation, so why should these guys?

The only way I can see that being reasonable is if they actually committed a crime or harmed someone. Enough of this, there are certainly more pressing issues going on today than this.

[MTigers006]

ObieWan, People said the same thing about Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris and look what they did. Virginia Tech is also a fine example of what can happen if the kids aren't properly reprimanded and taught a lesson about conciquences of thier actions in todays world. Exspecially when it comes to animals who then becomes humans and then eventually human lives. The punishment must be unforgettable and severe to drive the point home that this wont only not be tolerated in Massillon, but society as a whole. No Exceptions, No Excuses. You do the crime, you do the time, pay the fine, and learn from your mistakes. Secondly, no mercy. You guys wouldn't like me if I was WHS Principal right now.
1. No Commencement
2. Donation to Stump Hill or any wildlife shelter and submit proof of said donation.
3. Must volunteer at Stark County Humane Society
4. Community Service with MCS for the embarassment caused to the school system and city.

In short. You play,You Pay.

[Kamd50]

Oh my God! Now I am 100% CERTAIN that you don't have a clue on God's green earth what in the heck you are talking about, EVER! In fact, if I wasn't so angered by the above statement that dares to compare 2 mass murderers to these kids who pulled a stupid prank, I'd be LMAO off at the sheer stupidity of it! That has got to be the most completely irresponsible and INSANE comment that I have ever read on Massillon Proud or even heard of in my life! Please, if you don't have the capability of grasp reality, get help, seriously.

[MTigers006]

It all starts somewhere. It usually starts with animals which has been stated before and by professionals.

[Kamd50]

Let me try to get this through that thick head of yours. These are not some gothic,outcast, unpopular,mentally unbalanced, ill-adjusted weirdo kids who went and tortured a bunch of animals. Do you get that so far??? They did no harm to them, which was stated by PROFESSIONALS at Stump Farm. Do you get that also? They were not taking part or pleasure in doing any type of mean, vicious, sadistic, sacrificial ritual or something. What is your problem? NO, never mind, I definately don't even want to hear it:notlistening: Seek help.

[MTigers006]

Other posters have stated the same thing. Are you upset with them also?Funny how if someone goes against the grain and flow and disagrees with something people wanna Tar and feather them. This is a free forum in a free country and just because you dont agree with them doesn't mean you have to crucify them or send them to the wolves. The students must be punished and not allowed to walk, end of story. Any principal at WHS in the past would have issued that punishment and if Fortner is a smart man he would to.

[Kamd50]

LOL! What a hypocrit you are being. YOU want to tar and feather/crucify these kids that you don't even know, but when you are criticized for saying such a stupid thing,you are the one doing the crying about being crucified and you are "supposed" to be an adult.

What makes you think you have the right to state "end of story" as to their punishment? You have no say in it whatsoever, END OF STORY. And furthermore, you have absolutely no idea or proof whatsoever that any other past principal would have banned these kids from graduation. It is nothing more than pure speculation and wishful thinking on your part. I highly doubt that Mr. Rohr would be so ignorant. He is a very reasonable, fair, and intelligent man. Grow the heck up will you? Because obviously, you haven't done so yet.

[Chubby Tiger]

Lets face it when we look at the kids involved in these acts they are above any jurisdiction that exists at WHS. They will walk free and get the minimal amount of punishment possible because they are who they are. It it sad but true reflection of what values this high school put in the students. Feel free to argue me on this because for every sucessfuly person that has come out of WHS the past 5 years I can name 10 people that screwed their lives up. We need to start preaching that discipline applies to EVERYONE and not just kids that do not play football or highly involved in high school.

[Kamd50]

Too bad you misinterpret what I said. I said that someone else made a stupid statement about them possibly turning out like murderers. The point was, that if he knew these guys, he would know what a stretch that is. And obviously, if you whole 1 yr older guys know who they are, then you know darn well that these guys are not those kind of kids. I never said they were innocent little angels, but then again, I know for a fact that none of you are either. Not 1 year ago, and certainly not now. Right? Or are any of you going to claim that you are and that you never do anything that is illegal for your age?:scratchchin:

[TigerBuckeye313]

I'm not going to claim a damn thing, nor do I have any reason to. All I am saying is that perhaps it would be better for things like this to be stoppped now rather than later.

[Kamd50]

Of course not:doh2:

[CarlE]

why is there not the same amount of outrage for things like abortion...which, not matter how much you want to sugarcoat it, is the killing of a developing human being???



I'm curious. do you have the same outrage when one of your brethern blow up clinics, killing people and murdering doctors? Just wondering where you put that on the priority scale of outrage. I can't believe you turned this into an anti-abortion thread.

***Disclaimer*** For the record, I AM Pro-Life. I just shake my head at the fanaticism though.

[TigerDL71]

I am sure that Mr. Fortner made an announcement during school that pranksters will not walk. He has made it in years passed and I don't see why this year is any different. The question of if the kids are star athelets or not should not even be an issue here. Right or wrong if Fortner made the announcement then obviously these kids were willing to risk walking to pull this prank. What I don't really understand is why would you risk something that you have worked so hard for the past 4 years? Do they not realize that there could have been other implications as well? Especially with some of them going onto a lot bigger and better things. Some of the people invovled walk around the high school like they can do whatever they want and are bigger then everybody else. Like I said regardless if they are a star or not they should be delt with the same as everyone else.