Massill fun / Mck boring

[giant lugey]

What will be the most exciting game on the Tigers schedule, excluding Mckinley

Moellar
Herbstreit Challenge - Hamilton, AZ ( AZ state champs 2003 & 2004)
Mentor
Iggy
Buchtel
Warren

What will be the most exciting game on the Bulldogs schedule, excluding Massillon

Hoover or Perry

Lets face it, since the pups went to the Fed, and quit playing big name teams, their season is boring.

[Kamd50]

You are absolutely right on! Massillon football = EXCITEMENT:rockin:
I dread the day we ever become part of that boring league:down:

[Smitty]

For McK to end their series with Warren Harding was a big mistake.

WHAT game do the Pups have (between weeks 1 and 9) that's a "BIG" game??

:doh2:

[DAWGH8R]

We ARE the only show in STARK COUNTY !!!:gogogo:

[longtimefirsttime]

We ARE the only show in STARK COUNTY !!!:gogogo:

And that's fine with me.

[TigerLily]

I'm so excited and I just can't hide it
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it

GOOOOOO Tiger Football!!!!

[Marie]

I'm so excited and I just can't hide it
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it

GOOOOOO Tiger Football!!!!

I agree. Excitement is in the air. Only 27 more hours til kickoff. Of course the tailgating will kick off long before that.

[Tigerborne]

I have a questions:

Lets say the football gods are with the Tigers this year like last and they go to the McK game 9-0. & McK is 9-0 but the teams McK play are loosers.

Does McK go to the playoffs?

Just wanted to bring this up because most of the teams McK plays this year are like what everyone say's - BORING.......

Go Tigers.....

[DAWGH8R]

I would hope they make it !! Nothing like beating them twice, on the way to the D1 STATE TITLE !!

:gogogo:

[The Butler]

Lets say the football gods are with the Tigers this year like last and they go to the McK game 9-0. & McK is 9-0 but the teams McK play are loosers.

Does McK go to the playoffs?


It's called a league. Once they get to week 4, they all can't lose. Like the Tigers first two opponents are really going to tear things up.

[Big Fan Van]

It's called a league. Once they get to week 4, they all can't lose. Like the Tigers first two opponents are really going to tear things up.

Finally, someone who knows what theyre talking about.

[RAPTOR]

As much as we hate the Federal league with have to face a few facts. Mckinley will make the playoffs. Jackson and Hoover should join them. Perry could make a good run and be on the bubble. There are alot of talent in Stark county this year and alot of it is in the federal league. I think alot of it has to do with Mckinley being apart of the league. It gives the other teams something to shoot for. They want to be as good as Mckinley. They dont want them winning the Federal league every year.

[CarlE]

They dont want them winning the Federal league every year.

Now THERE'S something to set your sights on!! Yee haa.

[TigerVic]

I wish McKinley all the luck in the world in their quest to win the rugged Federal League. A few league wins will do wonders for their confidence.

[Big Fan Van]

most of you dog on the fed. lets look here at what the fed has done in the past 2 years. One football state runner up two years ago. and back to back state champs on the hardwood. Oops wait, i'm sorry that was the fed but it was also McKINLEY. so what has EVERYONE else in the state done? the fed cant be all that bad. besides what other league can you be in that pretty much can guarantee the 2 best teams will make the playoffs?:rock:

[TigerCoach]

most of you dog on the fed. lets look here at what the fed has done in the past 2 years. One football state runner up two years ago. and back to back state champs on the hardwood. Oops wait, i'm sorry that was the fed but it was also McKINLEY. so what has EVERYONE else in the state done? the fed cant be all that bad. besides what other league can you be in that pretty much can guarantee the 2 best teams will make the playoffs?:rock:


If I were a McK fan, I'd be embarrassed to be in the Fed. I said 2-3 years ago that someday McK fans will regret getting in the league, especially for football and basketball. How do you like playing Jackson, Hoover, Glenoak and Lake instead of Warren, St. Iggy, etc...?

[TigerCoach]

Take McK out of the Fed and it's another "who cares" league. The only positive I can see in joining is that it makes scheduling at the Middle School and "other" sports easier.

[Big Fan Van]

Yes tiger coach you make a good point< but the way i see it. i want to see 10 games played in a regular season. that didnt happen for a couple of years before entering the fed. plus the end result is making the playoffs. then who cares about the fed or the fed championship. its more often than not your going to make the playoffs being in the fed.

[PurpleArmy]

I dread the day we ever become part of that boring league:down:I don't think it will ever happen.

I think Massillon's doing fine without the league anyways. They get to play the big name schools that they want to play, and are able to have mostly home games, and all their season ticket holders get to see all the games and not worry about fitting into smaller stadiums.

If it's not broke- don't fix it.

If I were Massillon, I wouldn't even apply for membership into the league anymore. It doesn't make sense for them, and no one (Federal League and Massillon fans both) wants it anyways.

I just don't get why this continue to be such a big issue. I think everybody is perfectly fine with the current situation- with both the FL and with Massillon. I don't get why this continues to be an obsession with some people.

[Benchboss1]

I don't get why this continues to be an obsession with some people.








When you have your head football coach pretty much groveling about how bad we want to join the Federal League at the Coaches dinner at the Greek Church, and our wonderful administration takes almost every chance they get to say that we want to be in the league, you tell me.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Big Fan Van,

You're the man...just what I expected. Don't forget that the McKinley program was at it's peak in 1997 and for most of 1999 too (before a loss to Massillon). During those years, Canton McKinley football was ranked #1 in Ohio and #1 in the hearts of their fans too.

Now I have to be careful about how I put that because I'm sure that will be seen differently by others. I couldn't help but smile when Kamd50 said in "Bulldogs Coach Retires" that "yes the Bulldogs are ranked #1 in Ohio and #1 in the fans hearts and no one else's...AS LONG AS THEY ARE WINNING :doh: !"

It drew a laugh from me as I never laughed so hard as I did. It really made my day and I smile everytime I think about that statement by her. It lets me know that others will disagree with you but hey...that's why I like the profession I am in.

But getting back to the lead of this...Massillon is at their peak right now and that is obvious. McKinley will be at their peak for a while in the Federal League, maybe even longer.

[RAPTOR]

most of you dog on the fed. lets look here at what the fed has done in the past 2 years. One football state runner up two years ago. and back to back state champs on the hardwood. Oops wait, i'm sorry that was the fed but it was also McKINLEY. so what has EVERYONE else in the state done? the fed cant be all that bad. besides what other league can you be in that pretty much can guarantee the 2 best teams will make the playoffs?:rock:

Hmmm your forgetting that most of your players on your basketball team came from schools that wernt in the fed. So you really cant credit those championships to your school or the federal league.
Win one with your own kids then i'll be impressed, until then stop giving your school credit when all the talent came from somewhere else.

[Big Fan Van]

Hmmm your forgetting that most of your players on your basketball team came from schools that wernt in the fed. So you really cant credit those championships to your school or the federal league.
Win one with your own kids then i'll be impressed, until then stop giving your school credit when all the talent came from somewhere else.


ARE YOU CRAZY? Where did they grow up if they were'nt Canton kids? Thats got to be the most ridiculous remark I've ever seen posted on this website. Maybe you don't know any better. Let me explain, Marcus Parker, Ricky Jackson, Harriel Moore, Mark Freeman, Sedelle Broyles, Todd Brown, and Raymar Morgan. All from Canton. All played together since the ages of 9 & 10 years of age. Have won many championships together too. Where exactly do you get your information? Wherever it is, its wrong. Yes I already know your arguement. Ricky went to Aquinas. Since you know all the story, maybe you know how long too. For some correct information try actually finding the truth instead af making a fool of yourself.

[DAWGH8R]

If Massillon, Iggy and Moeller form a new league called, AAA Powerhouse League, can Massillonclaim it's league to have more than half of all Big School Football Titles ??

McKinley is not the Fed, the Fed is McKinley !!:afro:

[Big Fan Van]

If Massillon, Iggy and Moeller form a new league called, AAA Powerhouse League, can Massillonclaim it's league to have more than half of all Big School Football Titles ??

McKinley is not the Fed, the Fed is McKinley !!:afro:

I see your point. A good point you got. Now I'd like to see RAPTORS point.

[mike_da_man13]

If Massillon, Iggy and Moeller form a new league called, AAA Powerhouse League, can Massillonclaim it's league to have more than half of all Big School Football Titles ??

McKinley is not the Fed, the Fed is McKinley !!:afro:
u throw mck in thier thats the best league in ohio

[RAPTOR]

I'm sorry but i really dont follow Mckinley sports and i cant remember names of players. But i do remember a basketball player who transferred to Mckinley after Massillon turned down his transfer request. I'm not 100% sure but i think he was from doylestown or some small school. I do know that he was an outstanding basketball player and he was the only reason why you won back to back titles.
And I have noticed alot of "TRANSFERS" joining your football team. One of them being a linebacker from Central Catholic, but i'm guessing he was playing football with canton kids since he was like 9 or 10 so that makes it ok in the eyes of a Bulldog fan.

[Fats]

If Massillon, Iggy and Moeller form a new league called, AAA Powerhouse League, can Massillonclaim it's league to have more than half of all Big School Football Titles ??

McKinley is not the Fed, the Fed is McKinley !!:afro:

The difference would be that Massillon, Iggy and Moeller has won State Titles. IN the FED they are trying to piggy back on Mck.

[Big Fan Van]

I'm sorry but i really dont follow Mckinley sports and i cant remember names of players. But i do remember a basketball player who transferred to Mckinley after Massillon turned down his transfer request. I'm not 100% sure but i think he was from doylestown or some small school. I do know that he was an outstanding basketball player and he was the only reason why you won back to back titles.
And I have noticed alot of "TRANSFERS" joining your football team. One of them being a linebacker from Central Catholic, but i'm guessing he was playing football with canton kids since he was like 9 or 10 so that makes it ok in the eyes of a Bulldog fan.

Incorrect again Raptor. Like I said. Find the truth. The players I named were the core of the team. NO TRANSFERS. Keep digging your hole bigger. I'll cover you up in it. right now I have'nt got the time.

[DAWGH8R]

The transfer that you are looking for is from Claymont. I have a buddy from down there that gave me the D/L way before this took place!!:sour:

[Red50Go]

Ricky Jackson played for St. Thomas in 9th & 10th before "transfering" to Mckinley. He did also look at Massillon too. Justify it how you want but it was a transfer. You can say Massillon has kids at Central, Tuslaw, Perry, Northwest etc. too but doesnt mean their not transfers if they transfer. Get it?

[DAWGH8R]

One HUGE difference you'll find in Mas/McK fans, is:

Friday night, we had a nice crowd, for playing a Canada team !! I didn't hear them announce the attendance at the game, but it looked to be about
10-11K.

McKinley had 5K on saturday, vs Toledo team! We get 5K just by turning on the lights !!

If they start out 6-0, the might get the bandwagon going !

McKinley fans only jump on the bandwagon when things are good !!!

[MTown]

And they are notorious for jumping right off during the third quarter!

[giant lugey]

You really can't blame Mck fans for not showing up. Their PA announcer is Scott Davis. I might stay home too if I had to listen to him for 2 hours.

[longtimefirsttime]

You really can't blame Mck fans for not showing up. Their PA announcer is Scott Davis. I might stay home too if I had to listen to him for 2 hours.

Excellent point!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

DAWGH8R,

The crowds at McKinley games get higher depending on the named opponent. Toledo Start offered no such threat to the Bulldogs, nor will Canada. I guarantee you there will be either 10,000+ at least for the North Canton Hoover, Fitch, GlenOak, and Jackson games...and 18,000 for the Massillon game (Paul Brown Tiger Stadium).

MTown,

I haven't really seen Canton McKinley fans leave since the third quarter of a game and one vivid example of this is the 2001 playoff game between the two teams. I was at that game (I stayed to the end) and I think when the Tigers went up 28-7 is when fans headed for the exits.
Half the base remained at the start of the quarter when the Tigers led 35-7 after three quarters. Again, you can point towards the 28 points Massillon scored off turnovers (a job well done by defensive genius Tyrone Partridge in taking away the potent Bulldogs running game and executing the Massillon defense).
That's one game I can say I saw Bulldogs fans exiting midway in the third quarter (not counting the 2005 regional title game...most fans left with about 8 minutes left in the fourth quarter).

[MTown]

That's just flat out wrong. When Huffman scored in the 3rd quarter last year in the playoffs, your fans left. We all saw it and we all waved goodbye to them.

The best example of the 3rd quarter stampede, was in '99 over at Fawcett. It was 7-7 at half and by the end of the third quarter, your crowd was getting really thin. I know because I waved goodbye as they walked up the hill and left. Waving goodbye to your fairweather fans is one of the most fun Mass/McK traditions we have.

[Kamd50]

That is funny and very true! I know some people who also look forward to the traditional goodbye waving at McK games:laugh:

[longtimefirsttime]

DAWGH8R,

The crowds at McKinley games get higher depending on the named opponent. Toledo Start offered no such threat to the Bulldogs, nor will Canada. I guarantee you there will be either 10,000+ at least for the North Canton Hoover, Fitch, GlenOak, and Jackson games...and 18,000 for the Massillon game (Paul Brown Tiger Stadium).


Because they expect a victory they don't show up? Is that a true fan? Everyone in PBTS knew the Tigers were going to beat North Park (including the opposing team). And what was the attendance? Nearly everyone expects a Buckeyes victory over Northern Illinois this weekend. And what will the attendance be at "The Shoe"?

[DAWGH8R]

DAWGH8R,

The crowds at McKinley games get higher depending on the named opponent. Toledo Start offered no such threat to the Bulldogs, nor will Canada. I guarantee you there will be either 10,000+ at least for the North Canton Hoover, Fitch, GlenOak, and Jackson games...and 18,000 for the Massillon game (Paul Brown Tiger Stadium).


That's the most ASSININE thing I've EVER heard. From a town of 70,000 , to only bring 5K to a game they've waited all winter for ??? INCREDIBLE !!!

[Big Fan Van]

here we go. this is a picture of the endzone at fawcett last year. see how orange it is at kickoff?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/LiLSwish27/McKMass14.jpg

the next pic. you see the same endzone. a couple of people still there. pretty empty though. still time on the clock. in the background, alot of orange leaving in disgust. you think your fans dont leave either. heres the proof. shame shame shame


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[Big Fan Van]

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[tiger4life]

Playoffs last year at the Rubber Bowl

[Tiger paw]

If I were a McK fan, I'd be embarrassed to be in the Fed. I said 2-3 years ago that someday McK fans will regret getting in the league, especially for football and basketball. How do you like playing Jackson, Hoover, Glenoak and Lake instead of Warren, St. Iggy, etc...?

Hoover could play with Warren and Iggy "This year" IMO.

There "play-off" team of a year ago is MUCH better.They return 9 starters on defense.Defense will keep you in most games.

There offense is alot better from last year also.They have "team speed" this year.They also have the "Big play" they normally lack.

Good coaching and disiplined kids go a long way too.

We will see in week 4 when the play @Fawcett:gasp:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

DAWGH8R,

Don't force something down the middle that's not there as that would be to my advantage. By the way, asinine thing you heard? I'm sorry you feel that way but that's your opinon and I respect that.

I know all too well about Canton McKinley crowds. Did I tell you last season that 15,000 showed up for the 2005 Canton McKinley-GlenOak contest? Both stands were full to capacity and the Bulldogs won 49-14 or something like that. When they played Ignatius in 1999, the entire south stands were sold out, no tickets were sold at the door (everyone had to go to the south gates for tickets)

You have to understand also to look at the visitors of the other schools that show up. You can't just involve the Canton McKinley crowds. A good example is the 2002 Canton McKinley-Massillon game. There was 16,000 in attendance and 10,000 of them were Massillon fans! But give Canton McKinley fans credit for filling the entire visitors stands and end zone seats even though they were 3-6 coming into the game because anyone else would have tanked it!

And MTown, Rick Shepas had only one win against a #1 ranked team. That was against Canton McKinley in 1999. Other than that humongous win, Shepas was 1-7 against teams that were #1 in Ohio (four of those losses to Warren Harding, three to Cleveland St. Ignatius).

[PurpleArmy]

You really can't blame Mck fans for not showing up. Their PA announcer is Scott Davis. I might stay home too if I had to listen to him for 2 hours.This is off topic, but does Scott Davis wear a toupee'? I can't imagine that someone's real hair could look that ridiculous.....

[longtimefirsttime]

here we go. this is a picture of the endzone at fawcett last year. see how orange it is at kickoff?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/LiLSwish27/McKMass14.jpg

the next pic. you see the same endzone. a couple of people still there. pretty empty though. still time on the clock. in the background, alot of orange leaving in disgust. you think your fans dont leave either. heres the proof. shame shame shame


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2

Massillon has its share of fans who leave early too (whether it be for work reasons or because of the score). However I contend McKinley has a higher "per capita" of fans who leave early. I also contend there were many more Massillon fans in the stands in the 4th quarter in week ten than there were McKinley fans in the stands in the 4th quarter in week thirteen. Of course that's nearly impossible to prove.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Longtimefirsttime,

There is always going to be the hanging argument of fair-weather fans who leave when their team is down late. I think it's unfair to label some as fair-weather as you have provided valid reasons why.

I'm a nice person but nothing...and I mean NOTHING makes me meaner than a person who judges others without having the leads to back their stances.

For example, say the Pittsburgh Steelers are down 34-20 with 7:27 left against the Cleveland Browns at Heinz Field and I have to leave for work with first place in the AFC North on the line. Anyone who can say I'm a fair-weather fan are not as fundamentally sound as I would think they would be...unless they can tell me why they think I am fair-weather and they can validate their stance.

If fans decide to leave, that is their every right...I can't tell them what to do nor would I make the attempt to tell any fans of their school to stay in their seats! It's an on-going war that will not end.

[PurpleArmy]

I think if you leave early because of a prior commitment, such as picking up your kids from something, or because you have to get to your job, then there's nothing wrong with that, and you shouldn't be labeled a fair weather fan.

What's fair weather about being responsible?

[longtimefirsttime]

I included those who leave due to commitments in "the equation." However they're a small percentage of the overall fanbase. There could not have possibly been that many fans with commitments after the week 13 game. The McKinley players received their regional runner up trophy before a nearly empty half of a stadium. I don't feel bad for McKinley often, but their players deserved better. The Tiger faithful (for the most part) remained as their team received their State Runner-Up trophy (and don't say it's apples & oranges because their team also had a ton who left early in the state title game against Colerain).

[Smitty]

... If fans decide to leave, that is their every right....

My Dad was one of those who, regardless of the score, liked to leave early to "beat the crowd". Damn, it was the one thing about him that drove me NUTZ.

[longtimefirsttime]

I realize my previous claims can't be proven (although I do believe them to be true). Let's deal in facts. McKinley, in a city of around 70-thousand, draws about 5-thousand per game. They draw a few thousand more if it's a big matchup. The Tigers, in a city of around 32-thousand, draw about nine or ten thousand per game. Add a few thousand to that for a big game. Indisputable!

[MTown]

And MTown, Rick Shepas had only one win against a #1 ranked team. That was against Canton McKinley in 1999. Other than that humongous win, Shepas was 1-7 against teams that were #1 in Ohio (four of those losses to Warren Harding, three to Cleveland St. Ignatius).

Keno, I think I'm going to ask you to validate this statement. Can you show me where McK, Iggy, and Warren were all ranked #1 in the state when Massillon went up against them with Shepas as coach?

[giant lugey]

Not everyone is a die hard fan of either school who might be playing. I go to some games other than Massillon when the Tigers are playing on Saturday night. If I go watch 2 teams play because I think it might be a good game, and it turns out to be a blowout, I am not sticking around. So whosever side of the field I am on, someone could call me a fair weather fan.
I am sure there are alot of people who come to Tiger games who may not be die hard fans. If they left last week in the 3rd quarter, I can't blame them.

[tiger4life]

:zzz:

[PurpleArmy]

I realize my previous claims can't be proven (although I do believe them to be true). Let's deal in facts. McKinley, in a city of around 70-thousand, draws about 5-thousand per game. They draw a few thousand more if it's a big matchup. The Tigers, in a city of around 32-thousand, draw about nine or ten thousand per game. Add a few thousand to that for a big game. Indisputable!
Massillon is the exception to the rule when it comes to high school football. Stark County itself, views the importance of high school football much differently than most areas in the country.

I'm sure there are thousands of high school nationwide who have average game attendances of less than 5,000 or even 2,000 per game. And it isn't that there's anything "wrong" with that....it's just the way other areas are.

I think the reason that we in Stark County expect 10,000+ fans per game is because we are used to high school football being a major influence in our lives. For those of us who grew up here, it's just a given that you WILL go to a game every Friday in the fall.

In other areas of the country, they have other things that take precedence over high school football. There are other places- such as Texas, that view high school football similarly to us, but the majority of the country does not.

So criticizing another school because they didn't have over 5,000 fans show up for one of their games is maybe looking at things as though every town is the same as Massillon. Some towns just have other interests or don't make high school football their top priority.

Neither view is wrong- it's just two different ways of looking at things.

[Big Fan Van]

A-men.

[fmtiger]

Either way, I hate the steelers!

[DAWGH8R]

Either way, I hate the steelers!

:offtopic: WTF????

[MTown]

So criticizing another school because they didn't have over 5,000 fans show up for one of their games is maybe looking at things as though every town is the same as Massillon. Some towns just have other interests or don't make high school football their top priority.

Neither view is wrong- it's just two different ways of looking at things.


That may be true. But McKinley and Massillon are as close to being the same as you can get...and 5k for the opener is sad.

[longtimefirsttime]

That was my point. Anyone who spends any length of time in our area knows football is special.

[mmauthor]

Sorry for being a nit picker, but McKinley wasn't number one in the state when we beat them in 1999. They had already lost to Iggy and Grove City.

[longtimefirsttime]

mmauthor--Why let the facts get in the way of a Keno post? :biggrin: Thanks for clearing it up.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

mmauthor,

What I was referring to was that 1-7 was Shepas' record when they played teams that were or have been ranked #1 in the state of Ohio. McKinley was #7 in Ohio going into that game but they had been #1 for the first five weeks of the season.

[MTown]

Dude, you can't make a statement that Shepas was 1-7 vs. #1 teams when they weren't top ranked when we played them.

That would be like me saying that McKinley has 60 losses against #1 ranked Massillon because we won the state title in 1935 even though we weren't #1 at the time those games were played.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

You always make things interesting. Cleveland St. Ignatius, Warren Harding, and Canton McKinley were all at one point #1 in Ohio. Ignatius was #1 in 2001 and 2002, Warren Harding was #1 in 2002 and 2003, and Canton McKinley was #1 in 1997, 1998, and for half of 1999.

Once you see that...you'll see my post has at least some validity. And some is better than none.

[Al.]

Once you see that...you'll see my post has at least some validity. And some is better than none.

:stars:

[Kamd50]

Keno, this is very simple. It ONLY matters what rank the opposing team was in WHEN the other team (Massillon) played them! If they weren't number 1 at the given time that you are speaking of, then they WEREN'T number 1 any longer and it is irrelevant as far as the point you are trying to make. You are reaaaaaly reaching on this one:doh:

[monte81]

Just say that Shep did not win the big game! We all know that! Not many tiger coaches can say their teams consistantly won the big game because all but Stacy and Currance even coached in the title game since i was born!

Not saying we didnt have have great coaches but just commenting on the big game issue!

[TigerCarl]

This thread began with asking which game will be the most exciting for Tiger fans this season (excluding the McKinley contest).

It's the frame of mind of the fans that create excitement for a game.

Therefore, I suspect the Ignatius game will generate the most excitement this season.

The showdown with Chandler Hamilton school from Arizona is actually a HUGE game, but the Tiger fans don't seem very excited about it. Too bad, because this is one of the finest football powers in the nation, and we need to be heads up for this one. Otherwise, it could be a sad night in Tigertown.

Not that I think they are a better team than Massillon. But they are certainly good enough to take us down if we don't show up with our "A" game. This could be our chance to regain national respect.

Tiger fans really need to get some enthusiam going for this one when week #4 rolls around.

[Tiger_proud521]

we are in a different class than Mck. I say move them to week 2!!

[longtimefirsttime]

TigerCarl-Massillon fans ARE excited about Chandler Hamilton coming to town. However it's hard to talk much about them because they're greatly unknown to most Tiger fans. They have several state title appearances, but we don't know how Arizona football matches up to Ohio. We will soon know.

[DAWGH8R]

I'm looking forward to the Moeller game AT Cincinnati !!!:gogogo:

[Big Fan Van]

This thread began with asking which game will be the most exciting for Tiger fans this season (excluding the McKinley contest).

It's the frame of mind of the fans that create excitement for a game.

Therefore, I suspect the Ignatius game will generate the most excitement this season.

The showdown with Chandler Hamilton school from Arizona is actually a HUGE game, but the Tiger fans don't seem very excited about it. Too bad, because this is one of the finest football powers in the nation, and we need to be heads up for this one. Otherwise, it could be a sad night in Tigertown.

Not that I think they are a better team than Massillon. But they are certainly good enough to take us down if we don't show up with our "A" game. This could be our chance to regain national respect.

Tiger fans really need to get some enthusiam going for this one when week #4 rolls around.


you stress a good point about fans not being excited for an out of state team. I can surely relate. I'm in no way trying to rub anything in here but let me tell you how I see your point. In 1997 the pups were ranked #1 in the State and Nation. I know alot of people could have cared less about the national ranking. Then when the playoffs hit I remember the players talking about how they wanted the State trophy and rings and so on, hardly ever hearing anything about the national crown. Seems theres more hype about winning when you play a state power rather than a national power that is not from around here that most havent heard of. I dont know really how to say what my point is, hopefully you get the jist of it.

[DAWGH8R]

:offtopic: Big Fan Van,

Are you stopping by the tailgate tomorrow? 1:00PM !! :rockin:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Keno, this is very simple. It ONLY matters what rank the opposing team was in WHEN the other team (Massillon) played them! If they weren't number 1 at the given time that you are speaking of, then they WEREN'T number 1 any longer and it is irrelevant as far as the point you are trying to make. You are reaaaaaly reaching on this one:doh:

Kamd50,

I apologize. But allow me to say this much: I would never say anything without having the leads to back my stances. And yes, Shepas coached against three teams that were #1 in Division I (Canton McKinley, Cleveland St. Ignatius, and Warren Harding). Though McKinley wasn't #1 going into the 1999 game, they were #1 for half of the season...I should have made my post clearer and I apologize.

Man, you're really making me work for this.

[monte81]

The most exciting game this year seems to be Mentor. As the season looks so far it will be the battle of the unbeatens! Warren looked sloppy, Bucktel looked weak, Hamilton is unknown,etc,... Iggy will be exciting because its Massillon-Iggy! Mentor looks tough and solid. We should win and Warren is away and we know how they treat us there!

[tiger#22]

The most exciting game this year seems to be Mentor. As the season looks so far it will be the battle of the unbeatens! Warren looked sloppy, Bucktel looked weak, Hamilton is unknown,etc,... Iggy will be exciting because its Massillon-Iggy! Mentor looks tough and solid. We should win and Warren is away and we know how they treat us there!

I agree Monte, I think Mentor might just end up being the toughest team on the schedule this year other then Mckinley of course. Mentor has a ton of kids back from last year and revenge will definitley be on their minds especially with it being @ Mentor. This week will be good for the D playing against the spread O that Moeller runs which is similar to Mentor. I hope St Ig beats up on Mentor the week before we go up there, maybe St Ig can beat up on Warren to since they also play them the week before we do.
I said before the season I have a feeling we will be watching a 7-0 Tiger team travel to Warren.

[ChronicTiger]

The most exciting game this year seems to be Mentor. As the season looks so far it will be the battle of the unbeatens! Warren looked sloppy, Bucktel looked weak, Hamilton is unknown,etc,... Iggy will be exciting because its Massillon-Iggy! Mentor looks tough and solid. We should win and Warren is away and we know how they treat us there!

I agree, the Mentor crowd will bring a lot of energy.........BUT so will we....

[DAWGH8R]

Our " Road Show " is second to none !!!:gogogo: :rockin:

[monte81]

Looking at mcKinley's schedule they will be 9-0 coming to tigertown and so will we! That will be a great game for the #1 spot in the region! We have a Xfactor in BG who is the best player in the state-- hands down! he reminds me of Clinton Portis-- run you over or run past you!! Last week the spin move brought back memories of my brother running the rock! I feel the trophy coming home baby! however we need to focus on beating Moe this week-- they have been saying that if they lose to Massillon that the season is dead so they will be ready!!! I hope the refs dont try to win the gane for them like they tryed to help Elder last year!

[giant lugey]

Going back to the title of this thread.."Massillon Fun / Mck boring"
Massillon plays Moellar this week, Mckinley plays Lake........Nuff said

BTW ......GO BUCKS !!!!

[monte81]

Going back to the title of this thread.."Massillon Fun / Mck boring"
Massillon plays Moellar this week, Mckinley plays Lake........Nuff said

BTW ......GO BUCKS !!!!


Thats why they will be 9-0 going into the game because they are so boring with a cup cake schedule thanks to the fed!!!! If they played half our schedule they would lose at least 2 games!!! So they are BORING to watch!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Massillon will always be in the eye of the storm based on their schedule. But you know what...they react just well to it.

Canton McKinley doesn't have to worry about being in the eye of the storm based on their schedule...they have already 14 consecutive wins against Federal League foes going back to a 44-10 win over Perry in 2004.

Monte81, look at it this way. Massillon turned back Canton McKinley in the 2005 regional final and there was one asset that proved to be decisive: Canton McKinley had not been in the eye of the storm all season. Massillon was against Elder, Cleveland St. Ignatius, and for part against Warren Harding before stopping them.

Canton McKinley didn't feel pressure all season till the 13th week. They were never in the eye of the storm all season and when they were in that situation...it worked well in Massillon's favor.

[MTown]

Keno....I'm actually going to give you some props on this one. I think you are absolutely right. McKinley coasted through their season. I believe they had never trailed at halftime the entire year until our game. I thought after week 10 that they were the best team in the state. They played the game of their lives against us and gave us one of the worst beatings I can remember. But we had a year where we had that great comeback against Ignatius and fought off 4th quarter charges against Elder in week 2 and Findlay in week 12. We had been through the ringer and they had no idea what to do when times got tough.

[monte81]

Massillon will always be in the eye of the storm based on their schedule. But you know what...they react just well to it.

Canton McKinley doesn't have to worry about being in the eye of the storm based on their schedule...they have already 14 consecutive wins against Federal League foes going back to a 44-10 win over Perry in 2004.

Monte81, look at it this way. Massillon turned back Canton McKinley in the 2005 regional final and there was one asset that proved to be decisive: Canton McKinley had not been in the eye of the storm all season. Massillon was against Elder, Cleveland St. Ignatius, and for part against Warren Harding before stopping them.

Canton McKinley didn't feel pressure all season till the 13th week. They were never in the eye of the storm all season and when they were in that situation...it worked well in Massillon's favor.

Thats my point Keno that they will be undefeated due to the weak schedule and will not be prepared for the venom we will put on them in week 10! Last year our team was overconfident and lost! They regrouped and kicked butt three weeks later!!!! You said the same thing i said!!!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

MTown and monte81,

Canton McKinley actually trailed three times last season. Against Perry, it was 3-0. Against Jackson and North Canton Hoover, it was 7-0. But Canton McKinley came back with quick scores that took between 45 seconds and one minute.

Massillon has the kind of team that can take numerous amounts of punishment but they can give punishment in return, which was evident against Elder, Ignatius, and Findlay.

Massillon was well trained to stand up to pressure when storm clouds brewed over their heads over the course of a game and that is a key reason as to why they were able to reverse the tide against Canton McKinley.

People tell me all the time that Canton McKinley was overconfident...no...it was Massillon's ability to thrive off of pressure that caused the Tigers to hit their peak last season at week 13 and it has carried over since.

I don't buy that overconfidence garbage. Massillon was the better team and rightfully deserved to win that playoff game and I have no shame in saying that.

[longtimefirsttime]

MTown and Keno agree on something? Is the world coming to an end?

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Longtimefirsttime,

While I am writing this to you...there is a sponsor in one of the Massillon pressguides that I have that says: "Even a Tiger needs a Bulldog." It has something to do with a law firm...but look at this: Even a Bulldog must agree with a Tiger (sometimes).

I agree that Massillon was the better team in their decisive playoff win over Canton McKinley. Canton McKinley didn't get off like they wanted to and again, it worked in Massillon's favor.

A person has to know when to admit victory but at the same time admit defeat. Admitting wrong or defeat is never easy but if you can do that, it nets you more credibility and makes you a more sociable person.

[monte81]

Keno,
Just because they trailed in those games does not give credibility to the statement! There schedule is weak and will remain weak as long as they play in the FED! Iggy, Warren, Glenville all used to play McKinley before they joined the league and that makes their schedule weak and really boring! 14-0 in the FED isnt saying squat about how good or bad the team is-- just says that the federal league is a DII league minus McKinley at best!

If you look back at history when we play twice in a season we often split those games because what new can you bring to the game when the other team knows everything about you and personnel!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

And Massillon has won the last two playoff games against Canton McKinley, outscoring the Bulldogs by a whopping total of 56-22. In the two wins, Massillon is averaging 28 points to the Bulldogs 11 points.

That's a considerable statistic if you want to look at something. Also, Massillon has crossed the end zone EIGHT times to Canton McKinley's two in the two playoff games combined.

If that's an indication of something, so be it.

[monte81]

Keno,
I think we agree that McKinley is overrated because of the schedule and will/is losing some state power and respect for joining the fed! i didnt even like us having the 2 cupcakes at the beginning of our season-- boring to watch also! High school football is about competition and if you dont play the best all year it will show when the show really starts in November!! You cant tell me that Glenville, Colerain, X, etc,... are scared to play us in the regular season-- they play everybody else!

[DAWGH8R]

Do you think that McKinley will ever opt out of the Federal league???:afro:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

monte81,

I don't want to give Canton McKinley any bulletin board material...especially when there is a #2 guy who just might use that as bulletin board material (by the way...I used to be a #2 guy myself for Dave Hoover before I got fired after a year).

Of course, I don't look at Canton McKinley as an overrated team...they are just fundamentally sound in league play, that's all. But the playoffs are a different story come early November...where football dreams can be either born like a newborn baby or shattered like glass.

DAWGH8R,

I can't see Canton McKinley opting out of the league! Scheduling was a vast problem for the Bulldogs after the 1998 championship season...hardly anyone wanted to play the Bulldogs at a time when the program was at it's peak.

If McKinley opted out...based on what the Bulldogs have done the last two seasons, it will be another case of here we go again regarding the scheduling.