transfers

[sly4458]

i dont mind a young man or lady coming to our school as long as mom and dad pay taxes like i do. some say its not fair to our kids who have been born and raised here. and some of that is true. but how many of our young men have not taken advantage of what is here. and let it slip away. some with great talent that some kids would die to have. when will some of our young men learn!!!!!. so if another athlete wants to come here and take what some of ours dont want. then more power to them.

[CarlE]

Oh Lord, here we go AGAIN.

[tiger51]

:wall: :) :)

[slider63]

I think in any walk of life we can all look back and say if I only new then what I know now. Slider, out!!!

[MassFan3]

Actually, I couldn't agree more. If you want to play, take it into your own hands and work your butt off in the weight room and do the right things on and off the field. Being around the program the last couple years, a vast majority (I'm not including everyone) take what they have for granted. As many have so passionately stated in posts previously, a lot of our young men are living off of what their grandfathers, fathers, brothers, cousins, etc. have accomplished before them, and have the mindset that accolades will be handed to them. I can guarantee once DT first gets into the weight room, he along with some of our upper classmen, will set the standard because he is from an outside program, from a tough conference, and knows what it's all about. Some of our upper-classmen know what it's about. The younger guys, not so much. I have this good feeling that our kids will see that it takes work to be great, because even when former players and examples have spoken to the team previously, it hasn't always done the job in motivating them. Coming from an outside source might be a nice change in pace. I guess what I'm ultimately saying is that DT might appreciate what it's like to play at a program like Massillon more than our kids - because frankly, some of our kids don't get it yet. He will take advantage of what is here because he never got it at Canton South. Our kids expect freebies. They expect the best (this can be good or bad, you see). I can guarantee CS didn't get 1/8 of the things our players get and they didn't have 1/8 of the facilities and resources (especially after the indoor goes up) - and after watching his highlight tape, I couldn't be more excited about his addition!

[Harper]

Believe me it will be more than made up when the games are a sellout.

[CATS44]

Forgetting the athletic part of it...

Parents of transfers do pay taxes....and each student, athlete or not, who transfers in brings around $5000 in tax money with him.

Being that almost all the costs in a school system are fixed, that means that every open enrollment student is almost $5000 of pure profit per year.

[steeltiger]

I look at our most recent transfer and I think... what could his motive possibly be to change schools? I mean, it certainly isn't because he wasn't getting enough exposure where he was because I read about him all season last year. He doesn't need to prove anything to college scouts because I believe he already has a ride at OSU, right? All I can come up with is that he wants to be a part of something very special and challenge himself every week against the best competition in the state. Perhaps he wants to measure himself against the likes of Mentor, St. Ignatius and McKinley... (to name a few) Hmmm... He sure sounds like a Tiger to me.

Welcome to Massillon!

(The comments above are in no way intended to offend or degrade any other school, it's athletic department, students, or fans.)

[CarlE]

Forgetting the athletic part of it...

Parents of transfers do pay taxes....and each student, athlete or not, who transfers in brings around $5000 in tax money with him.

Being that almost all the costs in a school system are fixed, that means that every open enrollment student is almost $5000 of pure profit per year.

GREAT point. Show us the MONEY!!!

[giant lugey]

Kids transfer..it is a fact of life and everyone just has to live with it.
Wrestlers transfer to Perry. Softball players transfer to Hoover. Basketball players transfer to Mck and tennis players transfer to Jackson (I think)
Anyway, we should be proud that we have the kind of program that kids want to be a part of. It is better than haviing kids transfer out.
With all the whining about a transfer taking the spot of a born and bred Tiger, you never see any of the displaced players transferring out, so it still must be better here than anywhere else. Lets move on.

[MassillonAlways1]

This should be a more common thing with the indoor practice facility coming!!!

[TigerCoach]

Memo to Sly4458:

Life is not fair, never has and never will be.

Tigercoach

[CarlE]

Memo to Sly4458:

Life is not fair, never has and never will be.

Tigercoach

You're right. Life is NOT about being fair. It's about WINNING TigerCoach.

[monte81]

TRANSFERS ARE GOING TO KEEP COMING TO TIGERTOWN!!!! Hate it or love it---it will continue!!

What do we expect with $4 million facilities, best stadium in the state, state of the art weight room and National Tradition!!! Not to mention playing against the best caliber talent around.

If a top notch athlete wants to be a part of this great tradition and is DEDICATED to bring Massillon another championship and better is life as a student and athlete--I welcome you all!!!!

If a hometown player is mad or feeling slighted about a player moving in to fight for a spot then that player probably was not worthy of a starting position anyway!! If we want to win we must play the best players we have transfers or homeboys and we as fans must shut up and deal with it or go rout for Tuslaw or Perry! We would have dozens more kids if parents could afford to relocate!!

STU said it best: GO HARD OR GO AWAY!!!!

[Red50Go]

Thats the truth. Transfering is old as dirt. So are families finding opportunities for their kids. The only difference between Paul Brown on up thru today is the internet and these message boards. Be it us, Iggy, Glenville, Harding...its the way its been & the way it will be.

[monte81]

At least we are getting All-Ohio transfers instead of overweight non dedicated 300 lb wannabes like we did in the late 80's!!!

I can live and die with the current transfer talent!

[mike_da_man13]

TRANSFERS ARE GOING TO KEEP COMING TO TIGERTOWN!!!! Hate it or love it---it will continue!!

What do we expect with $4 million facilities, best stadium in the state, state of the art weight room and National Tradition!!! Not to mention playing against the best caliber talent around.

If a top notch athlete wants to be a part of this great tradition and is DEDICATED to bring Massillon another championship and better is life as a student and athlete--I welcome you all!!!!

If a hometown player is mad or feeling slighted about a player moving in to fight for a spot then that player probably was not worthy of a starting position anyway!! If we want to win we must play the best players we have transfers or homeboys and we as fans must shut up and deal with it or go rout for Tuslaw or Perry! We would have dozens more kids if parents could afford to relocate!!

STU said it best: GO HARD OR GO AWAY!!!!

say a certain free safety worked his arse off for the tigers lifted harder trained harder kept a good attitude for 3yrs his senior year he will finally get a shot then all of the sudden some new sensation moves in out of the blue for no reason other than football and takes his spot would you say the same then? would you tell the kid to go to tuslaw for his senior year of high school say " hey your not good enough screw the effort you put in it was all for not but hey i hear the mustangs are down this year go play for them"

[dirtybear]

I would like to say, Why are you rewarding people for doing what they are suppose to do. Now if you have a player such as BG at Massillon now and a player of the same talent moves in. As a coach you find away to get both of them on the field. Other then that you play the best players you have, and if it is a move in you play the best to win.

[CATS44]

If he takes his spot, it means the transfer is a better football player.

Are you suggesting that a Tiger should shy away from competition?

That kid better get used to it if he wants to continue playing football...because when he gets to college, no matter who good he is, his coach is gonna try to recruit somebody who is better.

And it will go on and on throughout his life.

Besides, that kid who moves in has been working hard, and he has decided to take on the challenge of playing for the best. Are you suggesting that we should turn away those kids who accept the challenge in favor of those who dont relish the competition?

[Spize]

say a certain free safety worked his arse off for the tigers lifted harder trained harder kept a good attitude for 3yrs his senior year he will finally get a shot then all of the sudden some new sensation moves in out of the blue for no reason other than football and takes his spot would you say the same then? would you tell the kid to go to tuslaw for his senior year of high school say " hey your not good enough screw the effort you put in it was all for not but hey i hear the mustangs are down this year go play for them"

I dunno, what do you tell a Hoover employee who worked his butt of for 12 years to get ahead at the company?

[mike_da_man13]

I would like to say, Why are you rewarding people for doing what they are suppose to do. Now if you have a player such as BG at Massillon now and a player of the same talent moves in. As a coach you find away to get both of them on the field. Other then that you play the best players you have, and if it is a move in you play the best to win.

yeah look how many championships transfers have won for glenville or massillon for that matter....
i do agree competition for a spot is good but it also creates problems within the team absolutely in some cases destroys team chemistry but hey what do i know ive played organized sports my whole life i wouldnt know anything about the issue ...

i could care less if a transfer took my spot i want to be there for the team but i think its also a danger to the team considering the egos that these players bring with them.

[steeltiger]

Good point about the team's chemistry. Still, as a coach I think trying to make an entire roster of D1 prospects happy by getting them all enough snaps would fall into the category of good problems to have. The challenge will be to make everyone understand that no one player is more important than the team. With the kind of schedule we play, depth is HUGE!

[Dr Strangemind]

What's with the entitlement attitude?

If you wanna start, beat the competition and earn it.

[slider63]

Monte, we already have some 300 lb undedicated wannabes here. Slider, out!!!

[CarlE]

yeah look how many championships transfers have won for glenville or massillon for that matter....
i do agree competition for a spot is good but it also creates problems within the team absolutely in some cases destroys team chemistry but hey what do i know ive played organized sports my whole life i wouldnt know anything about the issue ...

i could care less if a transfer took my spot i want to be there for the team but i think its also a danger to the team considering the egos that these players bring with them.

I don't know how old you are, but I would offer up a suggestion. Get ready fo this type of action every day. It's called life, as Cats44 says. And guess what, my competition doesn't give a rat's ASS how hard I worked an account, or how much time I spent doing whatever it is I do. They can come in at any minute and swoop the customer from me. Life, my friend. Life.

[orangeblood]

yeah look how many championships transfers have won for glenville or massillon for that matter....
i do agree competition for a spot is good but it also creates problems within the team absolutely in some cases destroys team chemistry but hey what do i know ive played organized sports my whole life i wouldnt know anything about the issue ...

i could care less if a transfer took my spot i want to be there for the team but i think its also a danger to the team considering the egos that these players bring with them.Mike da man, will you please learn at least a little correct bit of grammar and punctuation? This drives me crazy.

[sly4458]

carl e you have not changed since 1976. great picture. you are correct its life. like it or not.

[DAWGH8R]

Mike da man, will you please learn at least a little correct bit of grammar and punctuation? This drives me crazy.

OB, I hope your wife isn't one of the faculty responsible for teaching this guy !!:wall: :hyper:

[CarlE]

OB, I hope your wife isn't one of the faculty responsible for teaching this guy !!:wall: :hyper:

Well, we know one thing, DAWGH8R. He sure as heck didn't go to Gorrell like us geniuses did, right OB?

[march]

What if you're the kid who backed up DT at Canton South?Now he gets to start!
Works both ways...
In reference to the on the line comment,if that kids parents are whining already,when a starter hasnt been named yet,then how competitive is the kid???

[CarlE]

What if you're the kid who backed up DT at Canton South?Now he gets to start!
Works both ways...
In reference to the on the line comment,if that kids parents are whining already,when a starter hasnt been named yet,then how competitive is the kid???

Gosh, these are BOTH great points. I sure didn't think of them.

[DAWGH8R]

What if a stud LB from Cali , would have to be relocated here because hs dad's job transferred him, and he was the best LB in the country ?? Sometimes things happen. All those incvolved will have to "deal with it". If you think your spot is ion jeopardy, start busting your butt !!

No spots are given based on name/reputation, etc..... you still have to go out and earn it!!:tig:

[mike_da_man13]

like i said i could care less if i lost my starting job to someone who deserved it more but im saying if your reasoning for transfering is just to play football theres some mixed up priorities there and your parents need a head examination or should be removed from contact with the child.

about my grammer lol i blame my massillon edumacation

[march]

Regardless of your reasons for transfering,these kids still are attending SCHOOL.They still have to go to classes.They still have to meet state requierments to graduate.
Massillon has great tradition and great football history,are we going to start feeling guilty now whenever we gain a talented student athlete?Why dont we just erase our legend from everyones memories??

[OTC TIGER]

if your reasoning for transfering is just to play football theres some mixed up priorities there and your parents need a head examination or should be removed from contact with the child.



Some people move to Fl because they like :sunny:

Some people drive a pick-up truck even though they never haul a damn thing

Are their priorities mixed up...NO...It's what THEY choose to do

[CarlE]

OTC Tiger sure is smart, isn't he?

[Obie Wan]

Well, we know one thing, DAWGH8R. He sure as heck didn't go to Gorrell like us geniuses did, right OB?
That's "we" geniuses. :tonguewave:

[orangeblood]

OB, I hope your wife isn't one of the faculty responsible for teaching this guy !!:wall: :hyper:She would have tossed him out the window. Wait a minute, there is no window, she would have had to make one with him.

[CarlE]

That's "we" geniuses. :tonguewave:

DAMN!! I HATE when he's right.

[CATS44]

Actually, we have a ton of state title teams that had transfers....most of them, in fact...lol.

My guess, without going thru every roster, is that we have won a lot more with transfers than without.

While worries about chemistry are not off the mark, the Tiger teams who have done the best during the playoff era have all had transfers.

If a parent makes a decision to better his/her kids opportunities, I hardly think that is wrong...in fact just the opposite. More power to them. And unless somebody has had his/her head firmly inserted into grainy soil for the sand for the last century, football in Massillon has provided a lot of opportunities.

And unless anyone has maintained that same posture over the playoff era, D1teams without transfers/move ins/recruits dont win state titles.

[mike_da_man13]

i really dont have a problem with transfers because i go to massillon play sports and i do not live in the school district my parents donot pay taxes for massillon city school im just saying that loyalty and commitment to the team should be rewarded and the massillon player should keep the spot until proven in a game that he is not capable of starting

[mike_da_man13]

its really funny to me how transfers are always great until you or your kid is directly effected by them then your whole attitude changes "life sucks then you die little jonny btw do you want to be a quitter and go to tuslaw?" fat chance of that it probably go down a little more like this "those damn recruites i cant believe that this goes on screw coach so and so they dont know what the heck they are doing my son should be playing another position and starting there what does that coach really know about football?"
if you dont believe me get some friends on the varsity team and listen to the parents...
btw im not trying to sound negative about the community its just an observation.

[longtimefirsttime]

i really dont have a problem with transfers because i go to massillon play sports and i do not live in the school district my parents donot pay taxes for massillon city school im just saying that loyalty and commitment to the team should be rewarded and the massillon player should keep the spot until proven in a game that he is not capable of starting

I understand your point. But DT has already shown he's capable of starting, even though he has never played a game for the Tigers. Competition is a good thing.

[Kamd50]

Well, one thing is for sure, it's only APRIL and it's already an exciting season! Loved your post about moving to Florida and the pickup trucks, OTC, very funny:jestera:

[TIGER27]

well you know what, i just wanna talk some football all this nonsense is getting old

[MassFan3]

yeah look how many championships transfers have won for glenville or massillon for that matter....
i do agree competition for a spot is good but it also creates problems within the team absolutely in some cases destroys team chemistry but hey what do i know ive played organized sports my whole life i wouldnt know anything about the issue ...

i could care less if a transfer took my spot i want to be there for the team but i think its also a danger to the team considering the egos that these players bring with them.

Mike, speaking with more than one coach on the staff, team chemistry is almost non-existent at this point - so as far as hurting chemistry - there's non to be hurt. You have to HAVE chemistry in order to destroy it....right now we don't have it.:stars:

And as far as egos....if you are a member of this upcoming year's team...you better check your teammates' egos out because by the sounds of things they think it should be handed to them. I see your reasoning, but in my opinion, it's not very good reasoning. DT was a stud in 8th grade....he played varsity as a sophmore and junior (and had a better year last year than his brother, who's going to OSU to play TWO SPORTS) and has already committed to OSU - and you're trying to tell us the coaches should NOT to play him........what gives?

[tiger51]

very true....it is what it is....and it will be what it will be....if the transfer student is here their is nothing we can do about it except embrass him and if others come in do the same....it happens....it will happen....just except it.

[monte81]

Please stop crying about the transfers coming into the program.
Every player better give everything for the team or that player should not play--PERIOD!! We would be hurting the team if the best players are not on the field.

GO HARD OR GO HOME!!!!! If any player on here is not one of the best 22 players when August 25, 2007 comes along--then ol well. Work harder and earn a spot!! It is April so if a player is thinking he is locked for a starter or is not 1st team today---you have 4 months to take it or sit down!!! I would question a teammates heart if he were already bowing down to any competition!!!!

[Red50Go]

Whether anyone likes it or not, the whole idea of open enrollment is to increase our enrollment, not watch it continue to drop into D2 or below, to the continued benefit of our neighboring schools. How that impacts sports, educational programs, telecom, various vocations etc, we only HOPE will be positive. Just like we hope the DREAM project attracts more students, whether aspiring nurses, health care practitioners, or athletes. Anyone wanting to come to our school is a positive thing. In fact, SHOULD be a stated goal of our adm.

Last I head, we have around 150 open enrollment students. Maybe someone can update that. I belive Perry has slightly more. If some are athletes then great.

[Kamd50]

Please stop crying about the transfers coming into the program.
Every player better give everything for the team or that player should not play--PERIOD!! We would be hurting the team if the best players are not on the field.

GO HARD OR GO HOME!!!!! If any player on here is not one of the best 22 players when August 25, 2007 comes along--then ol well. Work harder and earn a spot!! It is April so if a player is thinking he is locked for a starter or is not 1st team today---you have 4 months to take it or sit down!!! I would question a teammates heart if he were already bowing down to any competition!!!!

GREAT post, Monte:iagree: Besides, once these transfers help us get to the playoffs, the team will be happy that their season isn't over and that they are not sitting home while there is still more football to be played. I doubt that by then anyone will be resenting each other. All for the TEAM!

[TIGER27]

It's only gonna make the team better