"MMS principal pushes change"

[longtimefirsttime]

Plans are under way to alter the school's dress policy.
http://indeonline.com/index.php?Category=8

[CarlE]

Kudos to Mr. McPherson. If it were up to me they would all be in uniforms. Some of the trash I see kids wearing today I wouldn't let them in my front yard wearing. Heck, I wouldn't even let them in the neighborhood.

[orangeblood]

Kudos to Mr. McPherson. If it were up to me they would all be in uniforms. Some of the trash I see kids wearing today I wouldn't let them in my front yard wearing. Heck, I wouldn't even let them in the neighborhood.

Agreed, especially since I have been a witness to some of the attire mentioned in the article. Also, I know two people mentioned in the article who need to forget about "expressing themselves" and just get to work and LEARN SOMETHING. Isn't that what it is all about?:wall:

[CarlE]

Tell Ms. Grisez if she want to wear shorts, a hat, and flip-flops to go to the freaking beach. This is SCHOOL!!

[Red50Go]

Who knew the ole shorts over sweatpants thing was still around anymore? That was cool in the day. Saggy pants thing though...ech. Just me but I do find YOUR underwear somewhat distracting. I remember the rage at my cousin's school outside C-Bus was inside-out. He actually strutted around w/ pockets flapping, zippers, seams, etc. Looked like an idiot.

[MTcheer18]

I think uniforms MIGHT! push it a little. But I do agree with the banning of some clothes. I don't hesitate to wonder if this is going to stop them from wearing these clothing types.

[Al.]

Tell Ms. Grisez if she want to wear shorts, a hat, and flip-flops to go to the freaking beach. This is SCHOOL!!

Would that be Beach Middle School :scratchchin:

[Vicke]

Congrats to Mr. McPherson. The kids dress awful today. I can't stand the saggy pants, the midriff shirts etc. I tell mys son about the saggy pants and make him pull them up. Put on a belt for goodness sake.

I agree with the previous poster about flip flops. The girls wear them all year long. Ugh.

The most appalling thing I saw was during winter homecoming at the basketball game and one attendant had skirt (too short) and a pair of flip flops on the court (home game). The majority of the girls had on dress shoes and it soooo much better. What the heck ? It's good to nip that stuff at the middle school so when they get to high school they have the right idea as how
to dress. The real world has lighten up but not to that degree.

[CarlE]

Congrats to Mr. McPherson. The kids dress awful today. I can't stand the saggy pants, the midriff shirts etc. I tell mys son about the saggy pants and make him pull them up. Put on a belt for goodness sake.

I agree with the previous poster about flip flops. The girls wear them all year long. Ugh.

The most appalling thing I saw was during winter homecoming at the basketball game and one attendant had skirt (too short) and a pair of flip flops on the court (home game). The majority of the girls had on dress shoes and it soooo much better. What the heck ? It's good to nip that stuff at the middle school so when they get to high school they have the right idea as how
to dress. The real world has lighten up but not to that degree.

A short skirt and flip-flops for homecoming. Tell her parents freaking congratulations on monitoring their daughter's dress. Oh wait, weren't they there escorting her? Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

[DB135]

Kudos to Mr. McPherson. If it were up to me they would all be in uniforms. Some of the trash I see kids wearing today I wouldn't let them in my front yard wearing. Heck, I wouldn't even let them in the neighborhood.


That's something you don't have to worry about at my child's school, Massillon Christian. Tradition values, discipline (the inmates don't run the asylum), college prep curriculum (state accredited), in a Christian environment.

[Red50Go]

That's something you don't have to worry about at my child's school, Massillon Christian. Tradition values, discipline (the inmates don't run the asylum), college prep curriculum (state accredited), in a Christian environment.

Sounds great. How much?

[TigerCoach]

How long will it be before some "freaking moron" parent will sue a school system over their dress code, citing "freedom of expression?"

[DB135]

Sounds great. How much?

For admissions information call:330-833-1039.

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[Vicke]

That's something you don't have to worry about at my child's school, Massillon Christian. Tradition values, discipline (the inmates don't run the asylum), college prep curriculum (state accredited), in a Christian environment.

I agree about having values, discipline, and Christian environment. It can be had at the public schools which my son attends now (WHS). He's no "angel" by any means, however he has been taught those things all of his life. We have people complimenting him and us as parents on his manners, behavior

It starts at home too. As parents it is our responsiblity to monitor those things. It doesn't really matter if it's public or Christian education. This is my opinion

[Vicke]

A short skirt and flip-flops for homecoming. Tell her parents freaking congratulations on monitoring their daughter's dress. Oh wait, weren't they there escorting her? Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

Of course not. Her escort was a young man who was dressed appropriately for the affair. You should have the adults seating in the bleachers gasp at the sight of her. To make matters worse her picture was in the front row of the Inde the following Monday.

I don't get it!!!!

[CarlE]

Of course not. Her escort was a young man who was dressed appropriately for the affair. You should have the adults seating in the bleachers gasp at the sight of her. To make matters worse her picture was in the front row of the Inde the following Monday.

I don't get it!!!!

Well, were her parents THERE? And if so, why the hell didn't somebody SAY something to them? This is ridiculous.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=orangeblood;44321] "expressing themselves"

Expressing themselves my @$$..that type of dress is nothing more than an
attention getter and a lack of confidence

[DB135]

I agree about having values, discipline, and Christian environment. It can be had at the public schools which my son attends now (WHS). He's no "angel" by any means, however he has been taught those things all of his life. We have people complimenting him and us as parents on his manners, behavior

It starts at home too. As parents it is our responsiblity to monitor those things. It doesn't really matter if it's public or Christian education. This is my opinion

What you're saying is true but what chance is there of this happening in the near future? The situation is actually getting worse which is illustrated by the response to a proposed dress code. What do think would happen if more serious disciplinary measures were instituted? Next week the board is going to introduce some serious cuts in personnel. Does it sound like people with even the best intentions are going to be in any position to deal with these problems?

With a viable alternative in the city parents should seriously evaluate their education options.

[Al.]

With a viable alternative in the city parents should seriously evaluate their education options.

Maybe that should read; with a viable alternative, maybe parents should seriously evaluate their parenting options :scratchchin:

[DB135]

Maybe that should read; with a viable alternative, maybe parents should seriously evaluate their parenting options :scratchchin:


Taking that as a given the choice would seem to be obvious.:doh:

[Kamd50]

I will commend the principal for his efforts, but really, the only change he is making is the sweats and sports shorts; the midrif and shirt issue is alreay in effect as well as they are not supposed to wear flipflops. The highschool has the same dress code, including no sleeveless shirts.

Escorts for fall HC are the parents, and male students for winter HC.
Like CarlE, said, why in the world did the girl's parents not make sure she was dressed appropriately for the occasion? My daughter has been a hc attendant twice and both times they were giving very strict rules/guidelines as to what they were and were not allowed to wear. In fact, we had to go shopping both times to meet the specific requirements for different seasons. Just as in this case, there were still some girls who showed up without the attire that was specifically outlined in the instructions that the advisor had given them.

So the blame goes to the parents for not taking responsibility for their own child. And for teaching their kids that they do not have to be accountable to their elders or superiors. Like I have said before, too many parents are just too afraid to lay down any kind of law with their kids in fear of making them mad at them or w/e. And the kids know it and will and do take full advantage of defying the school's authority since mommy and daddy won't do anything about it anyhow:stars:

[Obie Wan]

The situation is actually getting worse which is illustrated by the response to a proposed dress code.
The "response" came from a bunch of 13-year-old kids. Do you think that's a viable barometer?

What do think would happen if more serious disciplinary measures were instituted?
Better to give up right away, eh?

Next week the board is going to introduce some serious cuts in personnel. Does it sound like people with even the best intentions are going to be in any position to deal with these problems?
If you can show a correlation between the number of janitors and school discipline, one might draw that conclusion. As it is, the personnel cuts will merely bring MCS into line with similar districts in the state. We're not talking about running on a skeleton staff here.

With a viable alternative in the city parents should seriously evaluate their education options.
There are lots of "viable alternatives". Perry and Tuslaw are open enrollment, and Central is right down the road.

Seems to me like your angle is to increase enrollment at Massillon Christian by making the public schools look less desirable. :scratchchin: In the long run, dragging down our schools won't help yours at all.

As far as the dress code goes, make it simple: dark pants and white collar shirt for the boys, dark skirt or pants and white blouse for the girls.

[DB135]

In response to the selective quotes taken out of context with no attempt to follow the simple point being made.

The "response" came from a bunch of 13-year-old kids. Do you think that's a viable barometer?

The principal is recommending a policy as a result of a problem with the way students are dressing. Their response and threatened school-wide protest seems to be an accurate barometer of the depth of the problem.

Better to give up right away, eh??

Since the response came from one principal and not the school administration or board of education the message being communicated clearly spells out how widely this problem is going to be addressed throughout the district.

If you can show a correlation between the number of janitors and school discipline, one might draw that conclusion. As it is, the personnel cuts will merely bring MCS into line with similar districts in the state. We're not talking about running on a skeleton staff here.

Since the cuts are rumored to be widespread involving administration and support personnel the impact will be more significant than you assume. The effect of replacing full-time personnel with part-time employees as well as cutting jobs entirely can't bode well for improving conditions overall. Your assumptions as to the jobs effected and their impact isn't factual.

There are lots of "viable alternatives". Perry and Tuslaw are open enrollment, and Central is right down the road.

When looking for an alternative to the problems described you'll find MCS dealing directly with those issues with a philosophy none of the schools you listed can match and this opportunity is available without leaving the city limits.

Seems to me like your angle is to increase enrollment at Massillon Christian by making the public schools look less desirable. :scratchchin: In the long run, dragging down our schools won't help yours at all.

Again your convoluted logic illustrates the depth of your argument. The problems described in the media and this thread are long standing problems in the public schools that privates are in a better position to handle. (1) I didn't start the thread or print the article. (2) I didn't criticize the public schools and only offered an alternative to a problem being descibed in the thread. (3) This problem has been discussed for some time and specifically the financial cuts on the horizon can only make things worse. (4) The public school system is its own worse enemy and its current status encourages a change in schools more than any promotional campaign could accomplish.

As far as the dress code goes, make it simple: dark pants and white collar shirt for the boys, dark skirt or pants and white blouse for the girls.

Your shallow comprehension of this problem is again exposed. The problem is getting control of the school environment (which is easier said than done because of an apparent lack of support from parents) so that rules and policies can be implemented so the disruptive school environment can be changed aiding the educational process.

[Obie Wan]

The principal is recommending a policy as a result of a problem with the way students are dressing. Their response and threatened school-wide protest seems to be an accurate barometer of the depth of the problem.
By God, let's cower in fear of some 8th graders.

Since the cuts are rumored to be widespread involving administration and support personnel the impact will be more significant than you assume. The effect of replacing full-time personnel with part-time employees as well as cutting jobs entirely can't bode well for improving conditions overall.
You seem to think there's a correlation between spending and results. Therefore, please give us a) the per-pupil spending figures for Massillon Christian and Massillon City schools, and b) the staff-to-pupil ratios for Massillon Christian and Massillon City schools.

When looking for an alternative to the problems described you'll find MCS dealing directly with those issues with a philosophy none of the schools you listed can match and this opportunity is available without leaving the city limits.
What is that philosophy, and what makes it more effective?

The problems described in the media and this thread are long standing problems in the public schools that privates are in a better position to handle.
How are they in a better position to handle the problem?

[tiger74]

to me just because you are a private doesn't mean stuff will not happen at your school. didn't tabron get into a fight at an all catholic game. {The problems described in the media and this thread are long standing problems in the public schools that privates are in a better position to handle.}

[austinsm11]

I will commend the principal for his efforts, but really, the only change he is making is the sweats and sports shorts; the midrif and shirt issue is alreay in effect as well as they are not supposed to wear flipflops. The highschool has the same dress code, including no sleeveless shirts.



Just curious if these rules are actually being enforced. No point in adding more rules if they won't be enforced.

Our school wants to keep adding things to the dress code when many teachers don't say anything to the kids who are in violation of the current rules.

[Obie Wan]

Just curious if these rules are actually being enforced. No point in adding more rules if they won't be enforced.
Bingo. I say it's time to have Ruby Arrington walk the halls. She'll straighten out the rugrats.

I doubt there's a kid in the school who could stand up to her. Hell, I still don't think I could take her.

[DB135]

In Rebuttal;

By God, let's cower in fear of some 8th graders.

You have students planning a mass protest against a principal's attempt to enforce a dress code with no apparent objections from parents and this is the type of response you make? If you had any clue of what's going on at that school with discipline maybe you wouldn't make such ridiculous statements.

You seem to think there's a correlation between spending and results. Therefore, please give us a) the per-pupil spending figures for Massillon Christian and Massillon City schools, and b) the staff-to-pupil ratios for Massillon Christian and Massillon City schools.

The factors that have made a difference in these schools goes far beyond your attempt to assume an argument I never made which is a gross oversimplification of the differences in these schools.

What is that philosophy, and what makes it more effective?

A fairly simple concept that I addressed in my first post.

How are they in a better position to handle the problem?

A fairly simple concept that I addressed in my first post.

Let not go through the same games you like to play on these forums resulting in a profane response when your time-wasting, ridiculous, challenge every point, accepting no premise regardless of how commonly accepted, and twist posts to challenge positions that were never made to begin with are called out for what they are. I remember how our last round ended and you're starting up again in that same direction. Try and stay above contempt when your internet head games are identified for what they are and post responsibly. If you really don't understand these points you are questioning maybe you shouldn't be posting on this site.

Save any further drivel for PMs because I really have tired of your nonsense.

[austinsm11]

In Rebuttal;
You have students planning a mass protest against a principal's attempt to enforce a dress code with no apparent objections from parents and this is the type of response you make? If you had any clue of what's going on at that school with discipline maybe you wouldn't make such ridiculous statements.


Are you serious?
How many of us talked about doing the same type of things at this age? They are being kids. This went on all the time over dress codes, shortening recess time, etc., etc. when I was in school. Kids will argue and complain. Guess what. If/when these rules go into effect, most of them will be in compliance.

[DB135]

Are you serious?
How many of us talked about doing the same type of things at this age? They are being kids. This went on all the time over dress codes, shortening recess time, etc., etc. when I was in school. Kids will argue and complain. Guess what. If/when these rules go into effect, most of them will be in compliance.

Do you have any first hand information about the type of problems they are having at that school? Obviously not, or you wouldn't be assuming these are
the minor pranks of your youth. Talk to the security officials at the school if you think this is being exaggerated.

[austinsm11]

Do you have any first hand information about the type of problems they are having at that school? Obviously not, or you wouldn't be assuming these are
the minor pranks of your youth. Talk to the security officials at the school if you think this is being exaggerated.

No, I don't. That is why I previously asked if current dress code policies were being enforced.

What else is going on?

[Obie Wan]

You have students planning a mass protest against a principal's attempt to enforce a dress code with no apparent objections from parents and this is the type of response you make? If you had any clue of what's going on at that school with discipline maybe you wouldn't make such ridiculous statements.
And you want to just give up in the face of a petulant teenager? This is the kind of response that you make?

You seem to think there's a correlation between spending and results. Therefore, please give us a) the per-pupil spending figures for Massillon Christian and Massillon City schools, and b) the staff-to-pupil ratios for Massillon Christian and Massillon City schools.
The factors that have made a difference in these schools goes far beyond your attempt to assume an argument I never made which is a gross oversimplification of the differences in these schools.
You said that "[t]he effect of replacing full-time personnel with part-time employees as well as cutting jobs entirely can't bode well for improving conditions overall." If that doesn't mean that there's a correlation between staffing levels and conditions in the school, then what does it mean?

What is that philosophy, and what makes it more effective?
A fairly simple concept that I addressed in my first post.

How are they in a better position to handle the problem?

A fairly simple concept that I addressed in my first post.
Here's your entire first post: "That's something you don't have to worry about at my child's school, Massillon Christian. Tradition values, discipline (the inmates don't run the asylum), college prep curriculum (state accredited), in a Christian environment."

Is it the "tradition (sic) values"? The discipline? The curriculum? Or the Christian evironment? Really, you need to offer more than just an assertion.

What is it that specifically makes your school better able to educate my child?

Let not go through the same games you like to play on these forums resulting in a profane response when your time-wasting, ridiculous, challenge every point, accepting no premise regardless of how commonly accepted, and twist posts to challenge positions that were never made to begin with are called out for what they are. I remember how our last round ended and you're starting up again in that same direction. Try and stay above contempt when your internet head games are identified for what they are and post responsibly. If you really don't understand these points you are questioning maybe you shouldn't be posting on this site.

Save any further drivel for PMs because I really have tired of your nonsense.
Translation: I don't have an answer for your questions.

[DB135]

And you want to just give up in the face of a petulant teenager? This is the kind of response that you make?


You said that "[t]he effect of replacing full-time personnel with part-time employees as well as cutting jobs entirely can't bode well for improving conditions overall." If that doesn't mean that there's a correlation between staffing levels and conditions in the school, then what does it mean?


Here's your entire first post: "That's something you don't have to worry about at my child's school, Massillon Christian. Tradition values, discipline (the inmates don't run the asylum), college prep curriculum (state accredited), in a Christian environment."

Is it the "tradition (sic) values"? The discipline? The curriculum? Or the Christian evironment? Really, you need to offer more than just an assertion.

What is it that specifically makes your school better able to educate my child?


Translation: I don't have an answer for your questions.

:snore: :wall:


Let not go through the same games you like to play on these forums resulting in a profane response when your time-wasting, ridiculous, challenge every point, accepting no premise regardless of how commonly accepted, and twist posts to challenge positions that were never made to begin with are called out for what they are. I remember how our last round ended and you're starting up again in that same direction. Try and stay above contempt when your internet head games are identified for what they are and post responsibly. If you really don't understand these points you are questioning maybe you shouldn't be posting on this site.

Save any further drivel for PMs because I really have tired of your nonsense.

[Orange104]

I believe the article states that dress codes are handled on a school by school basis in the district. I sat in the orientation meetings last year with the previous principals. At the time, if I recall, they stated they would handle dress code issues if there was a need too, or something similar to that. Didn't seem like they were real concerned about it. I'm glad the new principal has decided the dress code is an issue. If they want to have students wear jean or khaki shorts, that's fine with me. Just give me enough notice so I know that is what I need to purchase for the school year.

To DB135 - I'm not interested in hearing about what the Massillon Christian School has to offer. Private schools have their own issues - they are not for everyone.

[DB135]

To DB135 - I'm not interested in hearing about what the Massillon Christian School has to offer. Private schools have their own issues - they are not for everyone

Due to the nature of the problems expressed in the paper and this thread there are people who are interested and have transferred to MCS from WHS so apparently they perceived the situation at MCS as desirable. As long as that is the case I will provide that information. So either ignore the post or refrain from responding to it.

[Obie Wan]

I remember how our last round ended and you're starting up again in that same direction.
If you mean that I'm asking for clarification for some unsupported assertion that you made, then yes, we've been here before.

Save any further drivel for PMs because I really have tired of your nonsense.
Like that blast of maturity you just sent my way in a PM? Really, bud, just because people don't accept your word as gospel is no reason to go ballistic and lose all pretense of rational thought and action.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Hey DB135:


WWJD?????

[DB135]

If you mean that I'm asking for clarification for some unsupported assertion that you made, then yes, we've been here before.


Like that blast of maturity you just sent my way in a PM? Really, bud, just because people don't accept your word as gospel is no reason to go ballistic and lose all pretense of rational thought and action.


Just to show the growing consensus (in agreement with the quote built into your posts from another poster) in reference to your posting the PM is below which proves not only can you not win an argument by using the mindless tactics described earlier but you are also a liar.

I strongly suggest you see a psychiatrist Oil Filter so you can detemine why you think you can try to play simple minded head games on the internet when you only have the intelligence to make a fool of yourself.

[DB135]

Hey DB135:


WWJD?????


Probably not something as well thought as the spark of brilliance you just posted.

[Obie Wan]

Just to show the growing consensus (in agreement with the quote built into your posts from another poster) in reference to your posting the PM is below which proves not only can you not win an argument by using the mindless tactics described earlier but you are also a liar.
I would love to argue with that (as the odds are fairly good that, once translated into English, it will be fairly idiotic), but I have no idea what you just said. Must be that Christian edumacation manifesting itself. But at least you're well-behaved, eh?

I strongly suggest you see a psychiatrist Oil Filter so you can detemine why you think you can try to play simple minded head games on the internet when you only have the intelligence to make a fool of yourself.
And for those who didn't follow (and how could you?), this is the PM that he sent to me. If any of you can decipher it, please clue me in.

[Seeker]

Done.

And judgement day is coming...if not already upon us.