jack rose Here???

[pup pounder]

It seems our coach has a habit of bringing in experienced coaches.What do you think about him comeing back here.I personaly liked jack as a person,but thought he was a terible coach.I'll never forget watching that miami team(southridge ? )beat us by stacking the box.But good old jack off-tackle would only run three plays ,left,right,and up the middle,I still feel the frustration from that game.Should we even consider him on staff?:ohno: :ohno:

[longtimefirsttime]

Yes there were many frustrating experiences during his tenure as Head Coach, especially with the talent on those teams. However I do believe his experience could be beneficial as an assistant. I wouldn't have a problem with him coming back in that capacity.

[CarlE]

Can we have yet ANOTHER thread on this subject? I think this is about the 8th one.

[mmauthor]

I think we would be bringing him back to coach defense, not offense.

[Red50Go]

Or offensive line coach if ours leaves. (or even if he doesn't).

[OTC TIGER]

Or offensive line coach if ours leaves. (or even if he doesn't).

Tom has another individual in mind for that position..

[Kamd50]

Tom has another individual in mind for that position..

Thank goodness

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Well see who comes aboard the forceful Massillon ship under the 48-year-old third-year field admiral, Tom Stacy.

[Banks]

I bet there will be a Rose on the Massillon sidelines this season .

[MassFan3]

What year is his son??

I bet "Coach" Rose won't be on the sidelines, though!

[Obie Wan]

I bet there will be a Rose on the Massillon sidelines this season .
It better be Jack. Because if his kid's on the sidelines, it means he's not playing. :dance:

[OTC TIGER]

What year is his son??

I bet "Coach" Rose won't be on the sidelines, though!

Matt will be a Jr. in 07

[TigerCook]

I seen his son was a sophomore and started at linebacker last year and is 6"2, 225" right now....tell me we couldn't use that at middle linebacker......we haven't had a big middle linebacker for a while. I agree with a post I seen..Rose will be in Massillon, but not as a coach.......unless, I'm wrong, aren't we still searching for an AD.
Could y see Rose and Torrence at middle linbackers and put Irvin and Wacthel at OLB, with Yoder, Turner, Massey, Hildreth....that would be a loaded defense

[tiger51]

I do agree that would be a lot of talent, but wow we have two guys the starting lineup that aren't even going to school in Massillon at this moment....

[TigerCook]

agreed....just wishful thinking

[tiger51]

agreed....just wishful thinking

No I agree with you...very nice thought.

[OTC TIGER]

aren't we still searching for an AD.


TR :glare:

[Banks]

It better be Jack. Because if his kid's on the sidelines, it means he's not playing. :dance:

Since his kid is a linebacker I figured we woundn't need him while we were on offense.

[Banks]

TR :glare:

No chance.

[TigerCoach]

TR :glare:


My darkhorse candidate for the AD job is T.O. You heard it here first.

[Banks]

My darkhorse candidate for the AD job is T.O. You heard it here first.


T.S

[Red50Go]

Allow me to show my ignorance.

Who are TR, TO, & TS? Or is this an inside joke?

[Banks]

Allow me to show my ignorance.

Who are TR, TO, & TS? Or is this an inside joke?


No inside joke. But I have no idea who TO is.

[obie7661]

Allow me to show my ignorance.

Who are TR, TO, & TS? Or is this an inside joke?

May I add my ignorance also.

[Obie Wan]

Who are TR, TO, & TS?
Tom Rivera, Terrell Owens, and Tom Stacy.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Terrell Owens has no place on the beast of Massillon streets, Lincoln Way East. Send him somewhere else in Stark County...anywhere but Massillon!

Whether Jack Rose comes to Massillon as an assistant depends on his interests and his only.

[tiger74]

we could send T.O. to canton so he can feel all alone in the locker room. :smartass: just kidding there MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp.

[chap]

Thank You Obie Wan!

[mike_da_man13]

i heard from certain teachers at school that the only reason we used to win 8 games a year under him was because we played cup cakes is that true?

[Banks]

1992 (5-5)
Opponent Mass. Opp.
Alliance 17 8
Walsh Jesuit 27 24
Akron Garfield 13 14
Cin. Moeller 14 24
Austin Fitch 0 14
Ind. N. Central Ind. 20 35
Bloomington S. 38 0
Ak. St. Vincent 44 0
Young. East 55 20
Can. McKinley 6 14


1993 (10-2)
Opponent Mass. Opp.
Alliance 40 6
Grove City 42 10
Ak. Garfield 28 7
Mans. Senior 53 22
Aust. Fitch 34 15
North Park, Canada 61 3
Young. Rayen 62 0
Ak. St. Vincent 42 7
Young. East 63 6
Can. McKinley 13 21
TOTALS 438 97
Playoffs
Mans. Senior 46 6
Walsh Jesuit 20 30


1994 (10-2)
Opponent Mass. Opp.
Young. Rayen 41 6
Trotwood Madison 39 18
Akron Garfield 6 21
Mans. Senior 21 13
Austin Fitch 10 7
Barberton 15 0
Cuyahoga Falls 21 11
Alliance 20 0
Ak. St. Vincent 31 15
Can. McKinley 42 41
TOTALS 246 132
Playoffs
Fremont Ross 35 28
Can. McKinley 20 27

1995 (7-3)
Opponent Mass. Opp.
Young. Rayen 26 21
Cin. Moeller 21 18
Ak. Garfield 21 14
Mans. Senior 20 21
Aust. Fitch 21 14
Barberton 22 20
Miami Southrige, Fl. 7 20
North Park, Canada 51 7
Ak. St. Vincent 28 21
Can. McKinley 21 24

1996 (9-2)
Opponent Mass. Opp.
Mans. Madison 33 6
Lima Senior 28 14
Akron Garfield 36 6
Mans. Senior 42 28
Austin Fitch 10 9
Walsh Jesuit 34 10
Naperville C. Ill. 21 13
Cin. Moeller 20 15
Ak. St. Vincent 47 7
Can. McKinley 0 21
TOTALS 271 129
Playoffs
Brunswick 6 7



1997 (7-3
Wash. D.C. Cordoza 72 6
Lima Senior 7 25
Akron Garfield 20 14
Man. Senior 42 0
Austin. Fitch 34 7
Walsh Jesuit 27 14
Can. C. Catholic 41 6
Cin. Moeller 24 28
Ak. St. Vincent 10 3
Can. McKinley 14 27

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

[QUOTE=mike_da_man13;42462]i heard from certain teachers at school that the only reason we used to win 8 games a year under him was because we played cup cakes is that true?[/QUO

partially true, we still did play moeller but were crushed most every year. it wasn`t until the mid 90`s when moeller was a joke we finally beat them up here under blackjack. i hate to admit but we still have yet to defeat a good moeller or ignatius team. "THAT`S A FACT"

[Banks]

i heard from certain teachers at school that the only reason we used to win 8 games a year under him was because we played cup cakes is that true?


8 would be the average wins each year under Rose
Under Shepas it was 7

[Banks]

[QUOTE=mike_da_man13;42462]i heard from certain teachers at school that the only reason we used to win 8 games a year under him was because we played cup cakes is that true?[/QUO

partially true, we still did play moeller but were crushed most every year. it wasn`t until the mid 90`s when moeller was a joke we finally beat them up here under blackjack. i hate to admit but we still have yet to defeat a good moeller or ignatius team. "THAT`S A FACT"


Rose only played Moe 4 times going 2 and 2
He didn't lose any of those 2 by more than a touchdown.

He was the first to beat Fitch on there home field.

He also beat a very good Fremont Ross team led by Charles Woodson.

[tiger51]

[QUOTE=mike_da_man13;42462]i heard from certain teachers at school that the only reason we used to win 8 games a year under him was because we played cup cakes is that true?[/QUO

partially true, we still did play moeller but were crushed most every year. it wasn`t until the mid 90`s when moeller was a joke we finally beat them up here under blackjack. i hate to admit but we still have yet to defeat a good moeller or ignatius team. "THAT`S A FACT"

I would have to disagree with you about the Moeller wins, those might not have been the teams from the 80's but they were still very good teams we beat...trust me. Very solid....

[Banks]

i hate to admit but we still have yet to defeat a good moeller or ignatius team. "THAT`S A FACT"

You don't think that 1996 Moeller team was good?
They were 9-2 besides losing to Massillon they lost to Elder in the Regional Finals

Oh speaking of cupcakes Elder then lost to Lima Sr. who only had one lose and that was to Massillon.

BTW 1995 Moe was 5 - 5

[Banks]

TR :glare:

Forgot that ES wants the job, and thought he had it until Hennon played that little game that he did.

[Kamd50]

Oh for crying out loud, can you guys please quit playing the initial game?! I mean I get 3 out of 4 of them with the addition of Eric's now to the thread, what the heck is the point of leaving people in the dark like that if they don't know who you are referring to?

[OTC TIGER]

Rose only played Moe 4 times going 2 and 2
He didn't lose any of those 2 by more than a touchdown.

He was the first to beat Fitch on there home field.

[QUOTE]He also beat a very good Fremont Ross team led by Charles Woodson.

Freemont's coach lost that game by trying to get cute on the last play rather
than giving it to Woodson :huh:

[giant lugey]

Rose should have been 3-1 against Moellar. The loss to them down there in his final year, after blowing a lead, was what I believe cost him his job.

[OTC TIGER]

Rose should have been 3-1 against Moellar. The loss to them down there in his final year, after blowing a lead, was what I believe cost him his job.

1-6 against Canton McKinley is why Jack lost his job :scratchchin:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

OTC Tiger,

I'm taking your stance on that. And the fact that Massillon lost to the Bulldogs,especially in 1996 when they were #1 in the state and #2 in the nation didn't help matters either, far as I'm concerned.

THAT......I think personally was the most devastating loss Rose had in his six-year tenure. And it was one that jumpstarted Canton McKinley's run of playoff success, when they went 11-2 during a run from 1996-99.

[mike_da_man13]

OTC Tiger,

I'm taking your stance on that. And the fact that Massillon lost to the Bulldogs,especially in 1996 when they were #1 in the state and #2 in the nation didn't help matters either, far as I'm concerned.

THAT......I think personally was the most devastating loss Rose had in his six-year tenure. And it was one that jumpstarted Canton McKinley's run of playoff success, when they went 11-2 during a run from 1996-99.

what??? i think that one was the most forgiveable if there is such a thing when it comes to losing
wasnt massillon ranked really high but then got smashed by McKinley?

[OTC TIGER]

what??? i think that one was the most forgiveable if there is such a thing when it comes to losing
wasnt massillon ranked really high but then got smashed by McKinley?

Massillon was # 1 inthe State Poll from week 2 thru 9 in 1996 and was punked by Mck
in our own yard that year...For what ever reason Jack decided to take the team to a hotel in Fairlawn after the Parade :doh: we had know heart that day and no offense..after we beat Lima Sr. we went slowly down hill after that..For me it ranks up there with the worst defeats I've endured as a Tiger Fan

[tiger51]

Massillon was # 1 inthe State Poll from week 2 thru 9 in 1996 and was punked by Mck
in our own yard that year...For what ever reason Jack decided to take the team to a hotel in Fairlawn after the Parade :doh: we had know heart that day and no offense..after we beat Lima Sr. we went slowly down hill after that..For me it ranks up there with the worst defeats I've endured as a Tiger Fan

Well we had heart...we didn't play well on O but our D played very good football that day vs a VERY GOOD McK team...again so many people get caught up on ranking etc...we were a solid team but we weren't the # 2 team in the nation....We did have heart and staying at the hotel didn't cause us to lose that game....We ran into a very solid Mck D that day and couldn't do much against them....

[TigerVic]

We were actually ranked #6 in USA Today prior to that debacle.

Like so many coaches here, Rose started playing everything close to the vest and relied too much on Christian Morgan as the season pressed on. If you recall, it was a meatgrinder schedule with several close calls and breaks that went our way (against Moeller and Naperville Central). This was exactly what Rose did every year except '94- say "we're going to open it up more this year", only to see him lose confidence in either (Depending on the year) his QB's passing ability or receiver's catching ability.

Rose finally tried to open it up against McK, but I don't think Hymes had adequately passed to Williams enough to prepare him to pass against sophomore Mike Doss, who returned two killer INTs in the 1st half, leaving McK with 1 and 3 yard TD drives- and we never really saw a pass again. Defensively, we did all right in that game.

He still played close to the vest in the blizzard game- especially by not going for the chip shot FG that would've put us up 9-0 in the 4th and instead going for it on 4th down (which was a call for Morgan again that ended in a fumbled snap). All we would've needed to do was just what Brunswick did after their TD- call time out and use it to clear the field. Then we would've had a rematch to play with a little more snap in our step.

[austinsm11]

He still played close to the vest in the blizzard game- especially by not going for the chip shot FG that would've put us up 9-0 in the 4th and instead going for it on 4th down (which was a call for Morgan again that ended in a fumbled snap). All we would've needed to do was just what Brunswick did after their TD- call time out and use it to clear the field. Then we would've had a rematch to play with a little more snap in our step.

Possibly...but could we make a chip shot fg if we can't make a chip shot extra point?

[DAWGH8R]

Would they make a hire before the school year is complete ???:dance:

[TigerVic]

Possibly...but could we make a chip shot fg if we can't make a chip shot extra point?

We did not apply the "clear the field" strategy on the extra point (The same fateful goalpost as in '91 and '02). They did.

[DAWGH8R]

That '91 was the worst. Probably would have been good on a HS field, as the goalposts are a bit wider !!:down:

[austinsm11]

We did not apply the "clear the field" strategy on the extra point (The same fateful goalpost as in '91 and '02). They did.

I know but accuracy kicking with your toe is much worse than "soccer" style.

It's been awhile, but it seemed like we kept throwing pitches outside to Morgan who would slip every time trying to cut up field. I didn't get why we kept doing that.

[TROCK9901]

8 would be the average wins each year under Rose
Under Shepas it was 7

Yes but Shepas played the likes of Ignatius, St Ed's, and Warren Harding every year which were all years those teams were pretty loaded (Iggy 2001 state champs) (Harding 2002 runners up) (St Eds 2003 runners up) and (Mckinley 2004 runner up), and teams that were loaded for a few years like Cleveland Benedictine (State Champs 03 and 04) Dayton Chaminade (State Champs 03) and Perry's best two teams they ever have had (regional finalists 1999 and State semifinalists 2000). Shepas was also 5-3 against Mckinley including beating them twice in one season (2001) and won two regional titles (Rose won 0). He also played these teams for two years (03 and 04) which Massillon was very young. I remember watching the 03 game against Iggy where we had at least 8-9 sophomores (Huffman, Morris, McCall, Ellis, Paulik, Brown, Dickerhoof and James to name a few) starting on the field against them. I know because this was the year after my son graduated and I remember saying wow I cant believe we are playing this many sophomores. Growing up I remember 1 sophomore rarely ever saw the field for Massillon. I believe if our schedule wasnt as demanding in 03 and 04 (Ex. fed league) we would have been much better and probably a playoff team in 04. However Shepas was the AD during that time and should have known what he was getting himself into (although maybe it was the future he was building for).

Rose also played some tough teams but I dont think the schedules were as tough as the last 6-7 years. Everyone may think I am crazy for saying this but I think that they both did a fine job with their programs and I dont know too many coaches that would have done much better against those schedules with the teams both coaches had.

[OTC TIGER]

Well we had heart...we didn't play well on O but our D played very good football that day vs a VERY GOOD McK team...again so many people get caught up on ranking etc...we were a solid team but we weren't the # 2 team in the nation....We did have heart and staying at the hotel didn't cause us to lose that game....We ran into a very solid Mck D that day and couldn't do much against them....

O.K. I agree on the fact they had a solid Defense..When don't they..
put simply are passing attack was dismal and as was usually the case up 'til
a few years ago we did not use players both ways I.E. Josh Krieder,Lightfoot

[tiger51]

O.K. I agree on the fact they had a solid Defense..When don't they..
put simply are passing attack was dismal and as was usually the case up 'til
a few years ago we did not use players both ways I.E. Josh Krieder,Lightfoot


Agree with you on that point...Lightfoot was tried but honestly D was where he needed to be...but I agree some could/should have went both ways...we used a few in situations but probably not enough...