Rose is gone from Glenoak

[massillon catholic]

Just to stir the pot a little, not to defend Jack but....
1) First Massillon coach to beat Moeller.
2) won the 100th game.
3) Got GlenOak their first ever playoff when as an 8 seed versus a #1 seed.
4) Never got us put on probation for recruiting.
5) If he was such a bad coach, Stacy wouldn't be entertaining the thought of bringing him in.
6) whether you like it or not and whether it was Division IV or not, did win a state title.
7) Jack has way more offers than you think. You think he is going to release that to the media? Come on now.


Wasn't he also the first coach to blow a 17 point lead against Moeller with five minutes to go in the game?:wtf:

[Kamd50]

Wow, that last one caught me off guard and has me LOL:upside: Ohh the love on MP!

[crackerman]

[QUOTE]


Isn't T.J. Downing & Dustin Fox in the NFL

Are there not 2 Hartlines at Ohio State
:scratchchin:

ummm last time I checked TJ nor Fox played at Massillon. TJ is in an NFL camp, yet to make the team (wasnt drafted). Fox is under contract but yet to play a down because of injury. If you really want to debate this Ellery is in a NFL camp, as is Zwick, as will be Crable next year...lol. Also, sorry you dont know, both Hartlines are not at OSU, just one. The other is at Kentucky. Whew that was a slew of mis-imformation. You also dont know the date on the whole Scott issue, but hey, keep posting false information.
LTFT, I have said that I like the guy, but I have never said I coached there. I just dont know why people wouldnt want him as an asst?..lol. He's not a finalist for the ehad job, its a freaking asst. spot.

[Banks]

Biggums lived in Plain Twp. I believe that Hodgson was kicked off the team not out of the school


I think you are thinking of someone else!

I seem to remember Biggums living on Harsh
I know Hodgson was kicked out of Jackson.
That was the only way he could have gotten a release to play for Massillon

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=crackerman;49895][QUOTE=OTC TIGER;49809]

ummm last time I checked TJ nor Fox played at Massillon. TJ is in an NFL camp, yet to make the team (wasnt drafted). Fox is under contract but yet to play a down because of injury. If you really want to debate this Ellery is in a NFL camp, as is Zwick, as will be Crable next year...lol. Also, sorry you dont know, both Hartlines are not at OSU, just one. The other is at Kentucky. Whew that was a slew of mis-imformation. You also dont know the date on the whole Scott issue, but hey, keep posting false information.


I'm terribly sorry you can't read between the lines..let me spell it in terms YOU
can understand..you said Rose was 1-5 against a talent run at McK that included 2 NFL players (it was actually 3 but that was some mis-info :doh: ) why does Rose get the NFL excuse in defeat but under achieves with his own
NFL talent...ummm last I checked Downing & Fox are in NFL camps and it doesn't matter how they got there (drafted or FA) they're there...ummm
last time I checked Zwick nor Crable played for Rose and Moore was a Soph
when Rose was here...this isn't about them..it's about who played for Jack
that's in the NFL from GO...also just because your drafted..since when does
that mean you make the team..FA's have the same opportunity
I wasn't sure about the Hartlines but that's 2 more DI players and potential
NFL players
As far as false info on Jesse Scott...YOU are wrong...this story broke when Jack was the coach..so you go on and keep finding ways to defend an average head coach :zzz: ...THANKS for playing

[massillon catholic]

I think you are thinking of someone else!

I seem to remember Biggums living on Harsh
I know Hodgson was kicked out of Jackson.
That was the only way he could have gotten a release to play for Massillon

I used to pick up Gordon at his grandmother's off of Martindale Rd. in Plain Twp. and bring him to school. He then moved to live with his father in Walnut Hills, then he moved in with his mother in an apartment on Harsh. Also, Hodgon's mother lived in Massillon they used her address.

[crackerman]

[QUOTE][QUOTE=crackerman;49895]


I'm terribly sorry you can't read between the lines..let me spell it in terms YOU
can understand..you said Rose was 1-5 against a talent run at McK that included 2 NFL players (it was actually 3 but that was some mis-info :doh: ) why does Rose get the NFL excuse in defeat but under achieves with his own
NFL talent...ummm last I checked Downing & Fox are in NFL camps and it doesn't matter how they got there (drafted or FA) they're there...ummm
last time I checked Zwick nor Crable played for Rose and Moore was a Soph
when Rose was here...this isn't about them..it's about who played for Jack
that's in the NFL from GO...also just because your drafted..since when does
that mean you make the team..FA's have the same opportunity
I wasn't sure about the Hartlines but that's 2 more DI players and potential
NFL players
As far as false info on Jesse Scott...YOU are wrong...this story broke when Jack was the coach..so you go on and keep finding ways to defend an average head coach :zzz: ...THANKS for playing

Ohhhhh ok, then you should be reading between the lines and ripping Shep for not winning a state title here with NFL talent....my bad.

[crackerman]

I used to pick up Gordon at his grandmother's off of Martindale Rd. in Plain Twp. and bring him to school. He then moved to live with his father in Walnut Hills, then he moved in with his mother in an apartment on Harsh. Also, Hodgon's mother lived in Massillon they used her address.

Hodgson's dad also owned a bar in massillon, next to Dairy Queen, so it wasnt like he didnt have Massillon ties.

[Obie Wan]

Hodgson's dad also owned a bar in massillon, next to Dairy Queen, so it wasnt like he didnt have Massillon ties.
Still does.

[tiger#22]

If you are going to bash at least get the facts correct. Massillon lost to Brunswick 7-6

My bad,,that is what a week of partying in Miami will do to you,
where were you Carl E ? :tonguewave:

[Obie Wan]

I just dont know why people wouldnt want him as an asst?
You and me both.

[tiger#22]

1) wasnt Shep 4-6 one year?
2)1-5 versus a McKinley talent run that included 2 NFL players, 2 state titles and one National Championship team.

And my God people let go of the team that lost 7-6 to Brunswick. If that team was the 2nd best team in the nation that year, let alone really in the 20 best int he country, then I am Tony the Tiger.

Is this topic about Rose or Shepas?

Your right we should all just forget about the 21-0 pounding at HOME by Mckinley and then we should all completely forget the team showed no desire or heart the following week against Brunswick,,, those 2 games are his Tiger coaching career in a nutshell. Wait we should forget about the Moeller 4th quarter collapse down in Cincy in 98' as well.....:wall:

[Banks]

I used to pick up Gordon at his grandmother's off of Martindale Rd. in Plain Twp. and bring him to school. He then moved to live with his father in Walnut Hills, then he moved in with his mother in an apartment on Harsh. Also, Hodgon's mother lived in Massillon they used her address.



Judy lived out on Wales Rd well into Jackson Township.

[Banks]

Hodgson's dad also owned a bar in massillon, next to Dairy Queen, so it wasnt like he didnt have Massillon ties.

Sounds like Gordy also had Massillon ties.

[longtimefirsttime]

[QUOTE=OTC TIGER;49809]
I just dont know why people wouldnt want him as an asst?..lol. He's not a finalist for the ehad job, its a freaking asst. spot.

Where have people said this? In fact many have said they wouldn't mind him as an assistant.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=OTC TIGER;49905][QUOTE]

Ohhhhh ok, then you should be reading between the lines and ripping Shep for not winning a state title here with NFL talent....my bad.

Once again...it's O.K. when Jack loses to an team with NFL talent

Shep went against a Harding team in 2001 with Burgess (Baltimore) and a
likely 1st round choice and Heisman candidate in Manningham and lost on a
missed extra point...in the State Semis...which last I checked...Jack was never close to in 6 seasons as a Head Coach at Massillon

[massillon catholic]

Didn't Mo bring the wrong shoes to the Brunswick game? He didn't realize that it snowed a foot in Akron and brought turf shoes.

[massillon catholic]

[QUOTE=crackerman;49914][QUOTE=OTC TIGER;49905]

Once again...it's O.K. when Jack loses to an team with NFL talent

Shep went against a Harding team in 2001 with Burgess (Baltimore) and a
likely 1st round choice and Heisman candidate in Manningham and lost on a
missed extra point...in the State Semis...which last I checked...Jack was never close to in 6 seasons as a Head Coach at Massillon

I would suggest that Shepas played a much stronger schedule week in and week out than Rose did.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Banks!

Yes! Gordon Biggums did transfer to Canton McKinley for his senior year! He was in my intro to journalism class!!!!!!! He was a freaking riot!!!!!!!!! Oh man, I have so many memories from that class!!!!

Oh, and speaking of Richard M. Shepas, I really thought he started toughening up the schedule at the start of the 2000 season and I think the success of the 1999 season played a factor in that. From 2000 to 2002, Massillon was 31-8 during that stretch run that included consecutive regional championships and a glamorous offense mixed in with a powerful defense that made them the intimidating teams they were. The only drawback in all of that was the Tigers failures to defeat Cleveland St. Ignatius and Warren Harding High School. Other than those, they were fine for the most part.

[Banks]

Banks!


Oh, and speaking of Richard M. Shepas, .

Speaking of Rich Shepas what is going on with the hazing ?

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Banks,

FAIAPS (For All Intents And Purposes Speaking), those charges were dropped.

[Banks]

Banks,

FAIAPS (For All Intents And Purposes Speaking), those charges were dropped.


Not so !

Type Of Action : ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL
Judge : REINBOLD, RICHARD D.
Case Status : open
Filed On: 06/04/2004

[Banks]

I now see a new case against him and the schools

Type Of Action : OTHER CIVIL MISCELLANEOUS CIVIL
Judge : HAAS, JOHN G.
Case Status : open
Filed On: 03/07/2007

[OTC TIGER]

:bs: and a waste of time and taxpayers money

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I realize this has nothing to do with Rose but,
Banks!
I think the case you're referring to has nothing to do with hazing and everything to do with a former player and his parents who thought the boy was the next Joe Montana, only to find out that he was more like Hannah Montana before an injury "ended" his "career"!

[Banks]

I realize this has nothing to do with Rose but,
Banks!
I think the case you're referring to has nothing to do with hazing and everything to do with a former player and his parents who thought the boy was the next Joe Montana, only to find out that he was more like Hannah Montana before an injury "ended" his "career"!


Yep I did get way off topic!
I thought Keno had some insight on it.

Yes I know the Montana family and yes that is the one started in March of 07, ( for what its worth , Shepas talked up this kid pretty good )

The other is the hazing and it is NOT OVER , the family turned down the offer and want their day in court.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Once again, I realize this is definately off topic so I'll make this my last post regarding this matter.

"The family turned down the offer and "want their day in court"?

Not be be judgemental but, since I wasn't privy to the gory details I can only ask, how bad could of the haircut been and what made the "prank/hazing" any worse then what just happened at stumphill farm in the name of "good old fashioned high school pranks"?
If the family gets their wish and ends up in front of a jury they might very well wish they would have taken the settlement offer. "If" I was a juror on this case I find it hard to believe that I'd be compelled to pay out thousands of dollars to a HS student over a football camp "prank/hazing" that pretty much inviolved a haircut and some "cheering", but didn't involve blood or debilitating physical harm!

[massillon catholic]

Once again, I realize this is definately off topic so I'll make this my last post regarding this matter.

"The family turned down the offer and "want their day in court"?

Not be be judgemental but, since I wasn't privy to the gory details I can only ask, how bad could of the haircut been and what made the "prank/hazing" any worse then what just happened at stumphill farm in the name of "good old fashioned high school pranks"?
If the family gets their wish and ends up in front of a jury they might very well wish they would have taken the settlement offer. "If" I was a juror on this case I find it hard to believe that I'd be compelled to pay out thousands of dollars to a HS student over a football camp "prank/hazing" that pretty much inviolved a haircut and some "cheering", but didn't involve blood or debilitating physical harm!


Sounds like somebody just wants to make a quick buck! This thing is getting a little out of hand.

[Banks]

Once again, I realize this is definately off topic so I'll make this my last post regarding this matter.

"The family turned down the offer and "want their day in court"?

Not be be judgemental but, since I wasn't privy to the gory details I can only ask, how bad could of the haircut been and what made the "prank/hazing" any worse then what just happened at stumphill farm in the name of "good old fashioned high school pranks"?
If the family gets their wish and ends up in front of a jury they might very well wish they would have taken the settlement offer. "If" I was a juror on this case I find it hard to believe that I'd be compelled to pay out thousands of dollars to a HS student over a football camp "prank/hazing" that pretty much inviolved a haircut and some "cheering", but didn't involve blood or debilitating physical harm!


It was not about money.
They want their day in court.

[Banks]

Sounds like somebody just wants to make a quick buck! This thing is getting a little out of hand.

If it was about making a quick buck, they would have taken the money and ran.

[CarlE]

If it was about making a quick buck, they would have taken the money and ran.

Then what IS it about? Sounds like this has gone a little too far and needs to be settled. And I will personally be APALLED if any money changes hands over a haircut hazing. Silliness, folks. Just silliness.

[longtimefirsttime]

I do not want this thread to get shut down. Because I want to see LLRose continue to backtrack.

[LLRose]

Of course we could also bring up 1996, going into the Mckinley game 9-0 and ranked in the top 5 in the majority of National Polls and then getting completely dominated at HOME by the Bulldogs and turning right around and getting beat by a bad Barberton team,,,,nice coaching job those 2 weeks, he should have been gone after that season.

Once again you show how irrelevant "polls" are. Mr. 22

[LLRose]

1) wasnt Shep 4-6 one year?
2)1-5 versus a McKinley talent run that included 2 NFL players, 2 state titles and one National Championship team.

And my God people let go of the team that lost 7-6 to Brunswick. If that team was the 2nd best team in the nation that year, let alone really in the 20 best int he country, then I am Tony the Tiger.

You're the only one that "gets it".

[LLRose]

Wasn't he also the first coach to blow a 17 point lead against Moeller with five minutes to go in the game?:wtf:

He blew it? Someone, anyone should have made a tackle. Revisionist history..........Blame the coach.

[massillon catholic]

He blew it? Someone, anyone should have made a tackle. Revisionist history..........Blame the coach.

Weren't you describing everything he did? I just added one. Don't blame me if it doesn't fit into your twisted view of history.

[tiger#22]

Once again you show how irrelevant "polls" are. Mr. 22

But what is relevant is a much better 9-0 team got it handed to them at home ,,but of course it is the Massillon-Mckinley game where records dont matter but what will be your excuse for the following week against Brunswick???
What is your excuse for the Moeller game in 97',,,or the 5-5 season,,, or the 1-6 record against Mckinley ???

[LLRose]

But what is relevant is a much better 9-0 team got it handed to them at home ,,but of course it is the Massillon-Mckinley game where records dont matter but what will be your excuse for the following week against Brunswick???
What is your excuse for the Moeller game in 97',,,or the 5-5 season,,, or the 1-6 record against Mckinley ???

Very simple..........................Talent or lack of.

Stop blaming the coach for the team's misfortune.

[crackerman]

LLRose,

Its not even worth debating anymore. Here's the biggest fact. People....Quit ripping Jack for not "winning" the way you wanted. Fact is, the coach before him and the coach after him had far superior talent then Jack EVER had. He turned several of his teams into overachievers and got team to the playoffs that honestly, were not playoff teams.

[austinsm11]

Very simple..........................Talent or lack of.

Stop blaming the coach for the team's misfortune.

Must have been a lack of talent at Glen Oak as well.:doh:


So that 96 team had a lack of talent is what you are saying?

[tiger#22]

Very simple..........................Talent or lack of.

Stop blaming the coach for the team's misfortune.

What adjustments did the COACH make in any of the game examples that I gave you ?
So your telling us there wasnt much talent on that 96' team? :wtf:

[tiger#22]

So that 96 team had a lack of talent is what you are saying?

Took the words right out of my mouth,,,This Rose lover dude is sick in the head.

[crackerman]

But what is relevant is a much better 9-0 team got it handed to them at home ,,but of course it is the Massillon-Mckinley game where records dont matter but what will be your excuse for the following week against Brunswick???
What is your excuse for the Moeller game in 97',,,or the 5-5 season,,, or the 1-6 record against Mckinley ???

Ok here's one for you Tiger # 22. Im making comparisons.
1) Was the loss to Moeller in 97 more devastating to our program than the loss at home to Iggy when Gonzo willed an Ignatius team back down double digits (17 I believe) in the 2nd half?
2) was the 5-5 team that had NO talent worse than the 4-6 team later? I wouldnt bring up that 5-5 92 team if you think you know anything about football. That team had about at least amount of overall talent as you can imagine.
3) Hey at least that 1-6 versus McK wasn't as embarrassing as the 40-8 or whatever it was debacle at Fawcett Versus a McK team who hadnt beaten a team from ohio in 2 years. I would take a hard fought 6 losses compared to what I had to witness on the field that day.

[crackerman]

Must have been a lack of talent at Glen Oak as well.:doh:


So that 96 team had a lack of talent is what you are saying?

2 guys on a team one year signing Div.1 doesn't make a team talented. Hell the 92 Tiger team had three sign Div 1 and that team wasnt talented.

[tiger#22]

LLRose,

Its not even worth debating anymore. Here's the biggest fact. People....Quit ripping Jack for not "winning" the way you wanted. Fact is, the coach before him and the coach after him had far superior talent then Jack EVER had. He turned several of his teams into overachievers and got team to the playoffs that honestly, were not playoff teams.

You sound just as ignorant as LL ,,,The Tigers went to the playoff 3 times in Rose's tenure,,,93,94 and 96 please tell us which of those 3 teams had no reason being in the playoffs!

[tiger#22]

Ok here's one for you Tiger # 22. Im making comparisons.
1) Was the loss to Moeller in 97 more devastating to our program than the loss at home to Iggy when Gonzo willed an Ignatius team back down double digits (17 I believe) in the 2nd half?
2) was the 5-5 team that had NO talent worse than the 4-6 team later? I wouldnt bring up that 5-5 92 team if you think you know anything about football. That team had about at least amount of overall talent as you can imagine.
3) Hey at least that 1-6 versus McK wasn't as embarrassing as the 40-8 or whatever it was debacle at Fawcett Versus a McK team who hadnt beaten a team from ohio in 2 years. I would take a hard fought 6 losses compared to what I had to witness on the field that day.

Again when I look at the title of this thread it mentions Rose not Shepas at all so I dont understand why the comparison,,,if you want to start a thread about Shepas then we can debate his issues but this is Rose so answer the questions as to why Rose completely was outcoached in many many games over his tenure.

[tiger#22]

3) Hey at least that 1-6 versus McK wasn't as embarrassing as the 40-8 or whatever it was debacle at Fawcett Versus a McK team who hadnt beaten a team from ohio in 2 years. I would take a hard fought 6 losses compared to what I had to witness on the field that day.

So you were ok with the 21-0 drubbing at home? You cant have it both ways.

[austinsm11]

2 guys on a team one year signing Div.1 doesn't make a team talented. Hell the 92 Tiger team had three sign Div 1 and that team wasnt talented.

There were only 2? I thought there were more.

What about Mast, Krieder, McElroy, Smith?

[tiger#22]

There were only 2? I thought there were more.

What about Mast, Krieder, McElroy, Smith?

Milo Mcquire,,,Paul Salvino,,,Josh Kreider....Crackerman we are waiting on answers....

[crackerman]

1) the 2 signees a year comment was in reference to the cheap shot about GlenOak, not Massillon. Didnt realize I had to hold your hand and walk you through the thread but I will.
2) At least the team showed heart in the 21-0 loss at home.
3) Your right this isnt a thread about Shep, but other coaches will get brought up when you try to make another one look like the worst coach in the history of Massillon.
4) Which team? The 93 team was all heart and played their a$$es off for Jack and that staff. The 93 team was not loaded with talent either, just a bunch of guys who would do anything to win.

[austinsm11]

2 guys on a team one year signing Div.1 doesn't make a team talented. Hell the 92 Tiger team had three sign Div 1 and that team wasnt talented.

Perhaps it is you that needs walked through. You quote me with things I mentioned about both Glen oak and the 96 team. Then you mention the Tigers. Seems like you were talking about Massillon to me. Maybe you need to clarify better.

Here are some D.I players from Glen Oak. I know they didn't all play the same time, but some very good players.
Dustin fox
Hartlines
Joey Card
TJ Downing
Brandon Long
Jason Gianani
Ryan Palma
Nick Smith

We are also talking about some players in a Big D.I conference who have made contributions on a outstanding DI college football teams. One would think with those players there would have been a little more success at Glen Oak.

[tiger#22]

1)
2) At least the team showed heart in the 21-0 loss at home.
3) Your right this isnt a thread about Shep, but other coaches will get brought up when you try to make another one look like the worst coach in the history of Massillon.
4) Which team? The 93 team was all heart and played their a$$es off for Jack and that staff. The 93 team was not loaded with talent either, just a bunch of guys who would do anything to win.

No actually they didnt, after the 1st quarter that game was over, they had no emotion and no heart and it showed again week 11 against Brunswick.

Not the worst coach in the history of Massillon just the worst in the last 25 years.

So your saying the 93 team had no business making the playoffs,,,oh and what a coincidence another 9-0 Tiger team that got beat by Mckinley.

[crackerman]

i didnt say the 93 team had no business, I said they werent as talented overall.
Worst coach in past 25 years? ohhhhh ok So Maronto was good in your opinion?..lol

[crackerman]

I have always stated this and I beleive this to be true and this has nothing to do with this thread, just an overall opinion. I feel that to win a lot and make it deep into the division one playoffs in Ohio you need, 4 stud HS players, 5 great HS players and about 20-30 very good players on the same team. GO had the couple of studs, but the others...I dont think. Possible exception for them could of been the 04 team that made the playoffs.
2 exceptions to the rule in my opinion:
1) Glenville- they have more than what I allowed and still havent won the big one, but have made it to semi's.
2) 05 Tiger team. Made it to Title game on a lot of grit and determination. Dont know if they had those numbers overall. They had the studs, thats for sure.

[tiger#22]

I have always stated this and I beleive this to be true and this has nothing to do with this thread, just an overall opinion. I feel that to win a lot and make it deep into the division one playoffs in Ohio you need, 4 stud HS players, 5 great HS players and about 20-30 very good players on the same team. GO had the couple of studs, but the others...I dont think. Possible exception for them could of been the 04 team that made the playoffs.
2 exceptions to the rule in my opinion:
1) Glenville- they have more than what I allowed and still havent won the big one, but have made it to semi's.
2) 05 Tiger team. Made it to Title game on a lot of grit and determination. Dont know if they had those numbers overall. They had the studs, thats for sure.

Give us the 4 stud players and even the 5 great HS players from Hilliard Davidson last year.

I am still waiting on which of Rose's playoff teams you think didnt deserve to be in the playoffs since you made the statement
"He turned several of his teams into overachievers and got team to the playoffs that honestly, were not playoff teams."

[tiger#22]

Worst coach in past 25 years? ohhhhh ok So Maronto was good in your opinion?..lol

Not good,,,just better then Rose.

[austinsm11]

I have always stated this and I beleive this to be true and this has nothing to do with this thread, just an overall opinion. I feel that to win a lot and make it deep into the division one playoffs in Ohio you need, 4 stud HS players, 5 great HS players and about 20-30 very good players on the same team. GO had the couple of studs, but the others...I dont think. Possible exception for them could of been the 04 team that made the playoffs.
2 exceptions to the rule in my opinion:
1) Glenville- they have more than what I allowed and still havent won the big one, but have made it to semi's.
2) 05 Tiger team. Made it to Title game on a lot of grit and determination. Dont know if they had those numbers overall. They had the studs, thats for sure.

Good points. How often has GlenOak gotten to the playoffs under Rose? I honestly don't know. I just feel like they would have made a little more noise than they have. I'm not saying they have the talent to go to the state finals. I just feel with the talent they have had they could have done better.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Crackerman,

One pointer to your post:

Glenville was exposed as a soft bunch and it showed in a 20-17 loss to Canton McKinley. The Bulldogs proved not only did they have the bigger heart but they were the tougher football team! The same as the case against Warren Harding High School!! Glenville routed everyone on their 2004 schedule but was 0-2 in game situations when the noose tightened around their neck against Warren Harding High School and Canton McKinley. Glenville finished 12-2 but the two losses definitely was an impact against veteran teams that knew how to step up when their pride was on the line.

And I touched base on the old MassillonProud.com about that when I spoke about how tired defenses find a way to win games.

[LLRose]

Must have been a lack of talent at Glen Oak as well.:doh:


So that 96 team had a lack of talent is what you are saying?

No, I'm saying Jack "won" (state championships) with the same consistency as an Massillon or GlenOak coach before him. However, the same can not be said for his run at Aquinas where he won a state championship.

This thread started because of a socioeconomic debate outlining the difficulties of building a "team" at GlenOak, then it went to Jack possibly becoming an assistant at Massillon to defending his record as a coach.

This can all be ended by agreeing that it is foolish to think he would ever return to a program at which he was fired to become an assistant. Pure foolishness.

[tiger#22]

This can all be ended by agreeing that it is foolish to think he would ever return to a program at which he was fired to become an assistant. Pure foolishness.

Key word is ASSISTANT.

[LLRose]

Key word is ASSISTANT.

As you sit on the couch, JR shines his state championship trophy and reflects on his time as a head coach.

The man has had more impact on young men than you could ever imagine.

I'd like to measure his impact on the communities he's worked vs. the impact you've made on others.

This is the time you stop typing, reflect on your life, give thanks to the people that have impacted your life and give thanks to them.

That is why I defend JR.........................he gave me purpose in my life, I reflect on the impact he's made on my life on a daily basis.

You can continue this tread, it's getting old. As long as you take shots at JR, I'll have his back.

[tiger#22]

As you sit on the couch, JR shines his state championship trophy and reflects on his time as a head coach.

The man has had more impact on young men than you could ever imagine.

I'd like to measure his impact on the communities he's worked vs. the impact you've made on others.

This is the time you stop typing, reflect on your life, give thanks to the people that have impacted your life and give thanks to them.

That is why I defend JR.........................he gave me purpose in my life, I reflect on the impact he's made on my life on a daily basis.

You can continue this tread, it's getting old. As long as you take shots at JR, I'll have his back.

Thats great, although I could care less about your life or what he did for it,,as for what he did for my life,,,I am a Massillon Tiger football fan and he ruined many Friday and Saturday nights (not to mention 5 Saturday afternoons) because he didnt have his team mentally prepared for a game.

[longtimefirsttime]

Worst coach in past 25 years? ohhhhh ok So Maronto was good in your opinion?..lol

I'd give Rose the slight edge over Maronto while at Massillon. But if you're talking the better coach overall it's Maronto hands down. He has a recent title, has coached in several state title games and is 111-29 over the past 11 seasons. Do we need to again mention that Rose is barely over .500 while at GlenOak?

[Striker300]

Like him or not him and his kid are probably coming to Massillon with the new facility and all they would be fools not to.

[massillon catholic]

I'd give Rose the slight edge over Maronto while at Massillon. But if you're talking the better coach overall it's Maronto hands down. He has a recent title, has coached in several state title games and is 111-29 over the past 11 seasons. Do we need to again mention that Rose is barely over .500 while at GlenOak?

With the talent that Maronto had and wasted, he's my worst coach in 25 years. Had Currence still been here, there would have been One and maybe two State Titles. I'll never recover from the way Maronto wasted Jerome Myricks and his inabilty to see that Eric White was a big-time QB.

[SuperBran]

As you sit on the couch, JR shines his state championship trophy and reflects on his time as a head coach.

and how pathetic is that? i'm glad that he can sit back and be content with his trophy from years back.

The man has had more impact on young men than you could ever imagine.

and this thread isn't about rose's impact on the lives of young men....it's about his coaching ability.


This is the time you stop typing, reflect on your life, give thanks to the people that have impacted your life and give thanks to them.

then start a thread on rose as a person. sorry, but being a good guy doesn't translate into being a good football coach.

That is why I defend JR.........................he gave me purpose in my life, I reflect on the impact he's made on my life on a daily basis.

You can continue this tread, it's getting old. As long as you take shots at JR, I'll have his back.

again, you confuse "great football coach" with "great person." they are totally separate things. mother theresa was a great person who touched many lives, but that doesn't mean she'd be an elite football coach.

[CarlE]

As you sit on the couch, JR shines his state championship trophy and reflects on his time as a head coach.

The man has had more impact on young men than you could ever imagine.

I'd like to measure his impact on the communities he's worked vs. the impact you've made on others.

This is the time you stop typing, reflect on your life, give thanks to the people that have impacted your life and give thanks to them.

That is why I defend JR.........................he gave me purpose in my life, I reflect on the impact he's made on my life on a daily basis.

You can continue this tread, it's getting old. As long as you take shots at JR, I'll have his back.

I'll do that. By the way, I PROMISE you my couch is worth WAY more than his trophy OR his coaching ability.

I'll put my impact on the young men and women I've interfaced with AND the communities I've come in contact with against his ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. And YOURS if you would like, son.

I reflect on my life every day. It's not too bad I must say. And the people that have impacted my life KNOW it. If they are gone, their children know.

I wonder if he's proud of the impact he's had on your life. If he read some of your posts here, he MAY be ashamed. But, hey you keep taking his back. I'm sure he's REAL glad of that.

[monte81]

I'd give Rose the slight edge over Maronto while at Massillon. But if you're talking the better coach overall it's Maronto hands down. He has a recent title, has coached in several state title games and is 111-29 over the past 11 seasons. Do we need to again mention that Rose is barely over .500 while at GlenOak?

You are correct while at Massillon and neither could beat McKinley!! I remember in 1986 we were given a stay and able to participate in the playoffs with a win over mcKinley but were blasted by the pups at home. However I reflect that on the lack luster senior team and not the staff. 9 DI players and they were sorry except for a few players i will not mention. When Mike Harris was unable to play due to knee reconstruction J. Myricks should have been the featured back and player for that matter. We had a all ohio linebacker at QB(Miller) and the all ohio QB as the back-up(White)---crazy year!! Workout warriors are not always really good on the field!!LOL
BTW---Moronto got me a DI deal from Florida 2 years later!!! Coach Moronto was an excellant coach Sunday through Thursday but things always went crazy for him on gameday. However right now if he was at Massillon I bet we wouldn't have workout problems or unskilled players running around accomplishing nothing from the year before. He lost in the semis this year to Lakeland finishing 13-1 and won it all in 2003 or 2004. This year he got deals for all 14 seniors on his team at a college to continue education and athletics.

I cannot speak for Rose as a coach but those losses against the pups were unexceptable for sure except in 97 and 98 because the pups were very gifted and talented.

[Spize]

No actually they didnt, after the 1st quarter that game was over, they had no emotion and no heart and it showed again week 11 against Brunswick.

Not the worst coach in the history of Massillon just the worst in the last 25 years.

So your saying the 93 team had no business making the playoffs,,,oh and what a coincidence another 9-0 Tiger team that got beat by Mckinley.

Even if you think that Rose was a bad coach, which I don't, I don't think you can say worst in the last 25 years.

[Spize]

Here is my take on Jack Rose...

He, no matter where he goes, will make one of the best assistant coaches you could ever ask for.

As far as a Head coach, I don't think he has what it takes, and in his case that is not a bad thing. I think he take more of a 1-on-1 approach to make a difference to each kid he coaches. That works well when you are an assistant or at a smaller school, but bigger schools have more kids and when you break that down to 1-on-1, there just isn't enough time in the day. He can mold a young man into a man, not young men into a team of men. This is nothing to knock, but isn't what a D1 ohio high school head coach has time for.

That's my take.

[monte81]

Here is my take on Jack Rose...

He, no matter where he goes, will make one of the best assistant coaches you could ever ask for.

As far as a Head coach, I don't think he has what it takes, and in his case that is not a bad thing. I think he take more of a 1-on-1 approach to make a difference to each kid he coaches. That works well when you are an assistant or at a smaller school, but bigger schools have more kids and when you break that down to 1-on-1, there just isn't enough time in the day. He can mold a young man into a man, not young men into a team of men. This is nothing to knock, but isn't what a D1 ohio high school head coach has time for.

That's my take.

JR is an excellant defensive Coordinator and you are right its a big differance between a great HC and a great asst.

[massillon catholic]

JR is an excellant defensive Coordinator and you are right its a big differance between a great HC and a great asst.


He's not nearly the Def. Coordinator that Kovacs is!

[monte81]

He's not nearly the Def. Coordinator that Kovacs is!

I never said that and Kovacs is great but we do need a linebacker coach right now.

[1600TigerFan]

With DT at LB that coach could end up looking like a coaching genius this year.............

[monte81]

With DT at LB that coach could end up looking like a coaching genius this year.............

The LB coach definitely will not have to motivate him to get the job done!

[1600TigerFan]

As long as he doesnt play like our last Big 10 LB did we'll be ok

[OTC TIGER]

Stacy has a coach in mind for LB's...Jack could be in the mix if Babics gets
the Principals job at the High School..I might add that Chris Smith is getting some pressure from the GO faithful about Rose's Son's release which could
impede the move to Massillon :scratchchin:

[massillon catholic]

Stacy has a coach in mind for LB's...Jack could be in the mix if Babics gets
the Principals job at the High School..I might add that Chris Smith is getting some pressure from the GO faithful about Rose's Son's release which could
impede the move to Massillon :scratchchin:

Rose already has his release from Glen Oak, it was part of Jacks' resignation agreement. I just hope the next LB Coach doesn't put our best LB on the outside and put two 180 lb's in the middle.

[monte81]

As long as he doesnt play like our last Big 10 LB did we'll be ok


I already no better than that becuase his mentality is ALL OUT ALL THE TIME!! He will bring the heat when practice and EVERY GAME for sure 1600fan!!! Your son looks gifted----keep him in training!!

[1600TigerFan]

If thats the way he plays he will be my sons favorite player w/o a doubt, i dont know about talent, but i will tell you my kid has heart, the rest can be taught and developed.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=massillon catholic;50850]Rose already has his release from Glen Oak, it was part of Jacks' resignation agreement. QUOTE]

Things can and do change

[monte81]

If thats the way he plays he will be my sons favorite player w/o a doubt, i dont know about talent, but i will tell you my kid has heart, the rest can be taught and developed.

90% of football is mental and if he already has that part down than he will be a true tiger because the rest is easy!!

[massillon catholic]

[QUOTE]

Things can and do change


Are you suggesting that they signed a release and then erased it?

[OTC TIGER]

Read the post and come up with your own conclusion

[massillon catholic]

Read the post and come up with your own conclusion


I guess nothing would surprise me.

[OTC TIGER]

Just remember one thing...were're talking about the Federal League here :sour:

[massillon catholic]

Just remember one thing...were're talking about the Federal League here :sour:


I'm not sure I get the correlation between a signed release from Glen Oak and the Fed preventing a transfer to a non-Fed school.

[tiger#22]

Even if you think that Rose was a bad coach, which I don't, I don't think you can say worst in the last 25 years.

Why not? Who was worse and why?

[jobdone]

Jack Rose is a good man! Why can't you people let him alone? I don't think anyone deserves all these posts, either positive or negative. Put a lock on this thread please!

[tiger#22]

Jack Rose is a good man! Why can't you people let him alone? I don't think anyone deserves all these posts, either positive or negative. Put a lock on this thread please!

Nobody said he wasnt a good man just alot of different opinions about if he was a good head coach.

[orangeblood]

Jack Rose is a good man! Why can't you people let him alone? I don't think anyone deserves all these posts, either positive or negative. Put a lock on this thread please!It is a miracle! I actually agree with jobdone on SOMETHING.

[CarlE]

Jack Rose is a good man! Why can't you people let him alone? I don't think anyone deserves all these posts, either positive or negative. Put a lock on this thread please!

Well there you have it. Ultimate justification for those putting LLRose in his place. As far as leaving him alone, tell his annointed son LLRose to stop the idiocy and the rest of it will go away.

[SuperBran]

Jack Rose is a good man! Why can't you people let him alone? I don't think anyone deserves all these posts, either positive or negative. Put a lock on this thread please!

so we should lock every thread where people disagree?

no one's saying he's a bad guy. most just don't think he's the great coach that llrose makes him out to be. if you don't want to get involved in the debate then just don't open the thread.

[Kamd50]

Jack Rose is a good man! Why can't you people let him alone? I don't think anyone deserves all these posts, either positive or negative. Put a lock on this thread please!

Although I could care less about Rose one way or the other I am kind of puzzled with the above attitude regarding posts. Many of us feel the same way about our Mayor Frank. But going by your past posting record, I wonder how sincere that statement really is when you state "I don't think anyone deserves all these posts, positive or negative"??? No one was calling for a lock on the all of the threads where you made countless negative posts about him.

[SuperBran]

Although I could care less about Rose one way or the other I am kind of puzzled with the above attitude regarding posts. Many of us feel the same way about our Mayor Frank. But going by your past posting record, I wonder how sincere that statement really is when you state "I don't think anyone deserves all these posts, positive or negative"??? No one was calling for a lock on the all of the threads where you made countless negative posts about him.

ouch!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Holy cow!

I've heard worse!!

God help everyone on here!!!

[orangeblood]

ouch!Super ouch, great job KamD!:no3:

[jobdone]

All that can be said was said in the previous 4,164 posts. My thread about the mayors race was locked last week. So it's not a novel idea.

[Al.]

All that can be said was said in the previous 4,164 posts. My thread about the mayors race was locked last week. So it's not a novel idea.

Jobdone
You're wrong again
I believe that there has only been 299 posts/replies to this thread. However, there has been 4100+ views. There is a difference between the two

[jobdone]

Hey AL: picky,picky,picky!!