Rose is gone from Glenoak

[LLRose]

I don't recall anybody "trashing" his teams...that in effect would be calling
out the players of those teams which just has not happened...It has been
very simply put..Jack was and is not a great head coach period

BTW like you never trashed Shep's teams :scratchchin:

I don't recall trashing Shep's team

Please define a great coach.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Well, regarding Shepas-trashing...keep in mind that he led with a unitary approach in his first year before shedding that for intimidation and putting fear into the eyes into opposing teams. Let's see what happened in all of that:

1999: Massillon completes an undefeated regular season.
2001: Massillon completes an undefeated season at home and wins the region 2 championship. They score 93 points in regional play and an astonishing 72 off turnovers.
2002: Massillon defends their regional title.

Massillon went 41-8 from 1999-2002.

Funny that was mentioned about the muscular-built coach...but then again with Obiefan, Seeker, and gotigers1 at the helm (add Big Time to the list too), the 1998, 2003 and 2004 teams wouldn't have been trashed because those three would not have allowed it.

[SuperBran]

Or maybe I played for him and I'm sick and tired of you and others trashing his teams

there's a difference between saying he's not a great coach and trashing his teams. not once have i trashed his teams. i think you should read more carefully before getting all uptight. i've merely stated that he's just not a great coach. sorry, but one trophy doesn't make him a great football coach. he wasn't the right guy for GO, plain and simple.

i refuse to believe that you're just someone who played for him. no offense, but if you are just a former player i find it a little creepy that you have his name as your screen name and follow him so closely.

[longtimefirsttime]

Please define a great coach.

It's subjective. But few would argue a 41-39 record over an eight year period is great.

[longtimefirsttime]

After much discussion (citing that he would be named), Garcia has been hired.
http://cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=348007&r=0&Category=17&subCategoryID=0

[CarlE]

I don't recall trashing Shep's team

Please define a great coach.

41-39 is um, well AVERAGE. Do you understand what AVERAGE means?

[LLRose]

41-39 is um, well AVERAGE. Do you understand what AVERAGE means?

You're a classic.

I didn't ask what isn't a great coach.

Define the results for a coach to be considered great. (Your opinion)

This is a defining moment for you. No more throwing crap against the wall, second guessing then bash the hell out of someone and praise others for the same results.

I don't think you have the competency, actually........ you don't know greatness.

[MTown]

Is this still going on?

Let's compare Rose to another Massillon coach...

Paul Brown 80-8-1...6 state titles, also won titles in college and pros.

Jack Rose 41-39...last 8 years, won 1 state title at a lower division.



Look, no one who has been in this discussion has any ill will towards Jack Rose. ALL former Massillon coaches are respected. Your insistence about attaching the word "great" to his coaching career is bordering on lunacy.

[MTown]

Let me also add that I hope something can be worked out that would bring JR back to the Massillon staff. I do think he is a good coach, I just do not agree with your assessment of his career.

[monte81]

Jack Rose worst defensive team gave up 180 pts. a season. You cannot take away the fact that he has a great defensive scheme that works. His career at Massillon might still be alive if he could beat the bulldogs. I know he could makes us a better team with all his knowledge of the game.

Who has won at Glenoak? Besides the playoff run they had with Chaney, McClendon, and Moore in 1985 when Currance was leading the team.

[CarlE]

You're a classic.

I didn't ask what isn't a great coach.

Define the results for a coach to be considered great. (Your opinion)

This is a defining moment for you. No more throwing crap against the wall, second guessing then bash the hell out of someone and praise others for the same results.

I don't think you have the competency, actually........ you don't know greatness.

Yes, classic HAS been used to describe me before. As far as competency and greatness, come see me sometime. Oh wait, you CAN'T. Anyway I'll go slow to see if you can actuallly comprehend what I'm saying and then we'll see who is second-guessing and who is bashing, OK Einstein?

Great Coach Characteristics:

Ability to assess talent
Ability to provide opportunity
Ability to communicate with players, fans, supporters, etc.
Ability to both give AND receive advice
Ability to lead by example
Ability to have vision for the future
Ability to beat your freaking arch rival more than once in umpteen years.

Now, I described what I consider a GREAT coach. It's up to your feeble mind to look in the mirror and tell me who I DIDN'T describe. Now go away, you're annoying people and you're clueless.

[Seeker]

Here's what Gordie Gillespie, college baseball's all time winningest coach had to say to the question "What does it take to be a great coach?'

Notice the won/lost is not mentioned.
(But if his reasons ring true, I now know why people say Shepas is not a good coach.)


1. You Have to Like Young People
2. Organization
3. Enthusiasm
4. Patience
5. Persistence
6. Sincerity and Concern
7. Being Fair
8. Integrity And Your Relationship With Your Coaching Peers
9. Coaches Are Human Beings - Don't Be Afraid to Show It
10. Be at Your Best In Dealing With the Press and Other Media
11. Dealing With School Administration and Faculty If You Are Coaching In a School Situation
12. Your Best Friends In Coaching - Your Support Personnel

[LLRose]

Yes, classic HAS been used to describe me before. As far as competency and greatness, come see me sometime. Oh wait, you CAN'T. Anyway I'll go slow to see if you can actuallly comprehend what I'm saying and then we'll see who is second-guessing and who is bashing, OK Einstein?

Great Coach Characteristics:

Ability to assess talent
Ability to provide opportunity
Ability to communicate with players, fans, supporters, etc.
Ability to both give AND receive advice
Ability to lead by example
Ability to have vision for the future
Ability to beat your freaking arch rival more than once in umpteen years.

Now, I described what I consider a GREAT coach. It's up to your feeble mind to look in the mirror and tell me who I DIDN'T describe. Now go away, you're annoying people and you'clueless.

Where is "win a state championship"?

[CarlE]

Where is "win a state championship"?

You don't give up do you genius? Winning a state championship at D-III or D-IV WOULDN'T be on my list. Once again, dodge my VERY far-reaching answer with another smart-ass remark. You are pathetic, I swear.

[LLRose]

Is this still going on?

Let's compare Rose to another Massillon coach...

Paul Brown 80-8-1...6 state titles, also won titles in college and pros.

Jack Rose 41-39...last 8 years, won 1 state title at a lower division.



Look, no one who has been in this discussion has any ill will towards Jack Rose. ALL former Massillon coaches are respected. Your insistence about attaching the word "great" to his coaching career is bordering on lunacy.

You're the only one comparing Paul Brown to Jack. I wouldn't put them in the same breath.

[LLRose]

You don't give up do you genius? Winning a state championship at D-III or D-IV WOULDN'T be on my list. Once again, dodge my VERY far-reaching answer with another smart-ass remark. You are pathetic, I swear.

Nothing smart ass about the response. I find it hard to believe you measure greatness with subjective opinion. It is why Massillon runs coaches out of town on such a consistent basis.

We're done, you can't have a back and forth with out insults.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=LLRose;46561] It is why Massillon runs coaches out of town on such a consistent basis.


If Massillon had a great coach that won a Championship AT MASSILLON
that coach would not get run out of town...He may well leave on his own
but would hardly get run out of town.

[SuperBran]

You're the only one comparing Paul Brown to Jack. I wouldn't put them in the same breath.

you put rose and commings in the same breath.

commings:
43-6-2 at massillon, 1 title, 3-2 against mck.
76-44-1 at GO

rose:
48-17 at massillon, 0 titles, 1-6 agains mck. oh, but one lower level trophy.
41-39 last 8 years.

[OTC TIGER]

Where is "win a state championship"?

There are many coaches who have won A State Title at the DI level
the names escape me now but recent teams such as Upper Arlington, Lima,
Hilliard Davidson have the :no1: to me that means they probably had great
talent and a good coach...IMO as much as I hate to admit this at this
level a Great coach would be Chuck Kyle...He took over a program that was a
relative unknown in the shadows of Cleve. St. Joe's and St. Ed's and has won
I believe 9 Titles since 1988, Granted the guy has damn good players,but it
takes a great coach to win consistently as Iggy has and to mold a program and develop players...good players at the high school level become great players with coaching
when Kyle hangs it up it will be very difficult to maintain the excellence that
he has established...How would you like to be the guy that follows Kyle :gasp:

[CarlE]

...How would you like to be the guy that follows Kyle :gasp:

If I was still allowed to recruit like he does, it wouldn't bother me at all.

[longtimefirsttime]

He's doing as well as the guy from Valley View you and your posse were drooling over.

He hasn't. During Rose's tenure at GlenOak they were 41-39 with two playoff appearances and one league co-championship. During that same seven year span Valley View was 68-18 with three conference titles, two state semifinal appearances and seven straight playoff appearances. The school has three state titles within the last thirteen years. Rose won one title 23 years ago.

But as I've said many times Stacy was the right choice at Massillon and I'd welcome Rose as an assistant.

[LLRose]

He hasn't. During Rose's tenure at GlenOak they were 41-39 with two playoff appearances and one league co-championship. During that same seven year span Valley View was 68-18 with three conference titles, two state semifinal appearances and seven straight playoff appearances. The school has three state titles within the last thirteen years. Rose won one title 23 years ago.

But as I've said many times Stacy was the right choice at Massillon and I'd welcome Rose as an assistant.

Respectfully, why would he even consider an assistant job at Massillon?

[CarlE]

Respectfully, why would he even consider an assistant job at Massillon?

Or us him?

[DAWGH8R]

Respectfully, why would he even consider an assistant job at Massillon?

I don't see anyone else beating down his door !!:TIG2:

[LLRose]

Or us him?

!!!!!!Let's have a REVIVAL!!!!!!!

Son, we agree............... why would either party want each other?

[LLRose]

I don't see anyone else beating down his door !!:TIG2:

What is there to see?

[DAWGH8R]

OK, "SHOW" me ANY other offers that he has been given to teach/coach !!:eek2:

[CarlE]

!!!!!!Let's have a REVIVAL!!!!!!!

Son, we agree............... why would either party want each other?

I'm not your son, but how DOES it feel to finally be right? LOL

[LLRose]

OK, "SHOW" me ANY other offers that he has been given to teach/coach !!:eek2:

Name an opening in Stark county since he left GlenOak.

[Kamd50]

Name an opening in Stark county since he left GlenOak.

I have to admit that I am curious as to how is someone who stated "Or maybe I played for him and I'm sick and tired of you and others trashing his teams" privvy to such personal information about Rose's private life? It would seem that you are more than just a past player on one of his teams.

[longtimefirsttime]

Name an opening in Stark county since he left GlenOak.

There are websites that list job openings throughout the state and country. If he is a "dynasty coach" as you claim, he should be in high demand for some of the top jobs nationwide, right?

[massillon catholic]

Name an opening in Stark county since he left GlenOak.


For the record, Rose has been offered the Def. Coor. post at Lake. Although, it isn't a Head Coaching post he has been offered something. He also has been offered the LB job at Massillon. But, nothing more than that as of yet.

[OTC TIGER]

For the record, Rose has been offered the Def. Coor. post at Lake. Although, it isn't a Head Coaching post he has been offered something. He also has been offered the LB job at Massillon. But, nothing more than that as of yet.

Jack must be going to volunteer his services at Massillon since no official
openings have been announced...and he did not apply as the AD

He was not "offered" a job

[LLRose]

I have to admit that I am curious as to how is someone who stated "Or maybe I played for him and I'm sick and tired of you and others trashing his teams" privvy to such personal information about Rose's private life? It would seem that you are more than just a past player on one of his teams.

Why didn't you respond with this feedback to massillon catolic (check catholic's post above)?

With his "inside" info you must consider him a stalker.

[LLRose]

Jack must be going to volunteer his services at Massillon since no official
openings have been announced...and he did not apply as the AD

He was not "offered" a job

Lake

[Kamd50]

Why didn't you respond with this feedback to massillon catolic (check catholic's post above)?

With his "inside" info you must consider him a stalker.

Hardly:ohplease: That was immature. But you are still skirting the observation by making a diversive remark like that.

[massillon catholic]

Jack must be going to volunteer his services at Massillon since no official
openings have been announced...and he did not apply as the AD

He was not "offered" a job

Two Friday's ago he was offered a "coaching job". No ther position was offered within the school district

[SuperBran]

Why didn't you respond with this feedback to massillon catolic (check catholic's post above)?

With his "inside" info you must consider him a stalker.

is MC isn't vehemently defending rose and making him out to be some great coach like other....(cough) llrose (cough).....posters.

[LLRose]

Hardly:ohplease: That was immature. But you are still skirting the observation by making a diversive remark like that.

Please let me be completely clear. I have never, repeat, never commented on Coach Rose's private life.

I never mention his sons or any other mention of his family.

Others comment on where his son "may" play next year. I have never, repeat, never been involved with that topic and never will be. I find it an absolute joke that anyone would think Jack would return to Massillon and become an assistant coach. It's as foolish as comments suggesting Chris Spielman would return to Massillon and become the head coach to replace Shep. Fantasyland.

I defend his record as a coach because he won a state championship on the field as a head coach. Many haters on this site minimize the significant of this accomplishment, I don't.

This really all revolves around how haters on this site and in this community have created expectations no coach has ever lived up to since the OHSAA started the playoff system. No one!

It's simple, Jack's record is as successful as any coach minus Stacey and Currence, who's teams at least played for a state championship.

As for immature, my comments were not intended to be taken that way. If I offended you I apoligize.

However, massillon catholic stated "insider" information I have never come close to reporting. I would say a job offer is personal information isn't it?

I'm sorry you felt my satirical comment was immature, it was intended to be sarcastic to make a point that your comments about me and my motives are tied to some sort of "relationship" that does not exist.

[austinsm11]

There are websites that list job openings throughout the state and country. If he is a "dynasty coach" as you claim, he should be in high demand for some of the top jobs nationwide, right?

Great Question LTFT, but don't expect an answer.

[longtimefirsttime]

I find it an absolute joke that anyone would think Jack would return to Massillon and become an assistant coach.


Why wouldn't he? He still has many friends in the district, Coach Stacy among them. Even his harshest critics (based on his performance as a Head Coach) say they would welcome him here as an assistant.

In your opinion would being an assistant at Lake be "suitable" for his abilities or should he be considered for a top head coaching position in the state or nationally?

[SuperBran]

I find it an absolute joke that anyone would think Jack would return to Massillon and become an assistant coach. It's as foolish as comments suggesting Chris Spielman would return to Massillon and become the head coach to replace Shep. Fantasyland.

I defend his record as a coach because he won a state championship on the field as a head coach. Many haters on this site minimize the significant of this accomplishment, I don't.

This really all revolves around how haters on this site and in this community have created expectations no coach has ever lived up to since the OHSAA started the playoff system. No one!

It's simple, Jack's record is as successful as any coach minus Stacey and Currence, who's teams at least played for a state championship.



one championship a long time ago doesn't make you a great coach. as i've said before, even a blind squirrel can find a nut every once in awhile. the fact that your whole argument for rose centers around ONE trophy is ridiculous. if a coach went 2-8 for 10 years straight, but then won a championship, would you consider him a great coach? i think you're the one living in a fantasyland.

you act as though rose is too good for an assistant position at massillon or anywere else. please. i hate to introduce you to reality, but rose isn't as great of a coach as you think. yeah, he had a nice record at massillon, but was totally owned by mckinley. but we'll just live in denial and say that the only reason people aren't beating down his door is b/c there aren't any local jobs open. i just can't imagine why other teams in the state aren't begging for his services, since he won a single state title a long time ago. LOL.

[OTC TIGER]

Why isn't the vaunted Jack still coaching at the college level :scratchchin:

[massillon catholic]

Why isn't the vaunted Jack still coaching at the college level :scratchchin:

Because he is too old to be "grad assistant"

[DAWGH8R]

..............you act as though rose is too good for an assistant position at massillon or anywere else. please. i hate to introduce you to reality, but rose isn't as great of a coach as you think. yeah, he had a nice record at massillon, but was totally owned by mckinley. but we'll just live in denial and say that the only reason people aren't beating down his door is b/c there aren't any local jobs open. i just can't imagine why other teams in the state aren't begging for his services, since he won a single state title a long time ago. LOL.


I agree !! :iagree:

[LLRose]

Great Question LTFT, but don't expect an answer.

Maybe he doesn't want to move his family?

DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

You have no clue regarding someone's personal situation and how it effects their professional career.

You know what, I don't either. I'm as ignorant as you on the situation but not dumb enough to comment on why someone would post a job around the state or country that requires them to move their family without knowing their personal situation.

[austinsm11]

Maybe he doesn't want to move his family?

DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

You have no clue regarding someone's personal situation and how it effects their professional career.

You know what, I don't either. I'm as ignorant as you on the situation but not dumb enough to comment on why someone would post a job around the state or country that requires them to move their family without knowing their personal situation.

He may not want to move elsewhere. That's fine. Who knows that for sure? I would think many schools would be calling Mr. Dynasty since he is so great. Since you are so in the know, I am sure you could let us in on the jobs Mr. Dynasty has turned down since he doesn't want to move.

[LLRose]

Why isn't the vaunted Jack still coaching at the college level :scratchchin:

If you knew why, you wouldn't make such an ignorant post.

[LLRose]

He may not want to move elsewhere. That's fine. Who knows that for sure? I would think many schools would be calling Mr. Dynasty since he is so great. Since you are so in the know, I am sure you could let us in on the jobs Mr. Dynasty has turned down since he doesn't want to move.

For the last time, I'm not in the know!

I inject common sense into ridiculous posts.

[longtimefirsttime]

Maybe he doesn't want to move his family?

DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


I can understand why someone would choose not to move (although as a "dynasty coach" those top tier openings would be very enticing compared to not coaching at all). Are there are no coaching jobs available in the region to which he could commute? Or are they not of his caliber?

[xtiger]

I can understand why someone would choose not to move (although as a "dynasty coach" those top tier openings would be very enticing compared to not coaching at all). Are there are no coaching jobs available in the region to which he could commute? Or are they not of his caliber?

:lol: Now that was funny!:laughing:

[austinsm11]

I inject common sense into ridiculous posts.

Perhaps you could try it with yours.

[Kamd50]

LLRose, I am going to assume here that your personal opinion of Mr. Rose is based soley on your relationship with him as a player during your stint at GO, correct? Others that post on here that are from Massillon, do not base their opinions of him soley on his record of wins and losses on paper; albeit, being unable to get "over the hump" aka Mckinley, during his years here certainly contributes to those opinions. There is more to it than that; as surely you have been able to pick up on over time. Some even liked him, lol!

Everyone's entitled to their opinions based on their own experiences and what they have observed. However, to suggest that it would be some type of "fantasty" as in "fantasyland", that Rose would come back here to coach in any capacity is just plain funny! If that is ANYONE'S idea of being in fantasyland, well, then they have a very limited imagination! :wink:

Now as far as even remotely comparing Rose's status or accomplishments and success with someone of the likes such as Chris Spielman is about as far out in left field that you could possibly go! Come on now! And let me just say that before you even go saying " I never compared him to Speilman.......", just the mere mention of his name and that of Rose's when trying to make a point, well, there just is no similarity.

Personally, I could care less either way. If he comes as an assist. fine, if not, fine too. We will never miss him. Same with his kid. Whatever they do in the best interest of their own family is fine with me and is how it should be. Just stop trying to glorify him or make him out to be something more than what he is. A good person and a good coach at certain positions, IMO, of course.

[SuperBran]

since rose is too good for massillon, is only deserving of head coaching jobs, and there are no current openings that would keep him from moving his family, i guess he'll just have to sit and twiddle his thumbs.

perhaps he can become a greeter at wal mart. he can take his trophy and people will flock to see the guy who won one title a long time ago. he can give you an autographed smiley face sticker.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

As far as his State Championship trophy (and ring) goes, I can assure you I would trade my National Championship ring for a Massillon Tiger State Championship ring any day of the week!
Jack should be proud of what he and his team accomplished no matter what division it happened in.

[SuperBran]

i agree that rose should be proud. however, llrose acts as though his trophy way back when automatically makes him a great coach......and suggests that he's too good to be an assistant at massillon.

[LLRose]

Perhaps you could try it with yours.

Do you read your posts?

You make comments about a man's professional situation and completely discount how it effects his personal family situation.

Foolishness

[LLRose]

LLRose, I am going to assume here that your personal opinion of Mr. Rose is based soley on your relationship with him as a player during your stint at GO, correct? Others that post on here that are from Massillon, do not base their opinions of him soley on his record of wins and losses on paper; albeit, being unable to get "over the hump" aka Mckinley, during his years here certainly contributes to those opinions. There is more to it than that; as surely you have been able to pick up on over time. Some even liked him, lol!

Everyone's entitled to their opinions based on their own experiences and what they have observed. However, to suggest that it would be some type of "fantasty" as in "fantasyland", that Rose would come back here to coach in any capacity is just plain funny! If that is ANYONE'S idea of being in fantasyland, well, then they have a very limited imagination! :wink:

Now as far as even remotely comparing Rose's status or accomplishments and success with someone of the likes such as Chris Spielman is about as far out in left field that you could possibly go! Come on now! And let me just say that before you even go saying " I never compared him to Speilman.......", just the mere mention of his name and that of Rose's when trying to make a point, well, there just is no similarity.

Personally, I could care less either way. If he comes as an assist. fine, if not, fine too. We will never miss him. Same with his kid. Whatever they do in the best interest of their own family is fine with me and is how it should be. Just stop trying to glorify him or make him out to be something more than what he is. A good person and a good coach at certain positions, IMO, of course.

1. No I did not play for Coach Rose at GO.

2. The very success Chris Spielman has had is why he would never even consider coaching at Massillon. Just as ridiculous is a man that was fired from a school returning to be an assistant.

[LLRose]

since rose is too good for massillon, is only deserving of head coaching jobs, and there are no current openings that would keep him from moving his family, i guess he'll just have to sit and twiddle his thumbs.

perhaps he can become a greeter at wal mart. he can take his trophy and people will flock to see the guy who won one title a long time ago. he can give you an autographed smiley face sticker.

Rip a guy with a state championship. LOL

[LLRose]

I can understand why someone would choose not to move (although as a "dynasty coach" those top tier openings would be very enticing compared to not coaching at all). Are there are no coaching jobs available in the region to which he could commute? Or are they not of his caliber?

Did u ever consider he just wants to watch his son play ball?

[austinsm11]

Absolutely crazy how you worship him.

[SuperBran]

Rip a guy with a state championship. LOL

ripping on him? not really. just fighting the delusion with a healthy dose of reality.

the really funny thing is listening to you defend him.....i can only imagine what's constantly running through your mind: "i know he couldn't win the big game at massillon......i know he had a horrendous record with GO....but he's such a great coach who is too good to be an assistant at massillon because he won a state championship a really long time ago."

LOL.

i'm not saying that rose is a bad coach. i just don't think he's nearly as good as you make him out to be.

the truth is that rose needs massillon more than massillon needs rose.

[longtimefirsttime]

Did u ever consider he just wants to watch his son play ball?

That could then be used as an explanation if he isn't offered a coaching position of "his caliber."

I have seen no comments to indicate he would give up coaching altogether to watch his son play. Here are the prior comments I have seen.

(Before the hiring of Garcia)
"Should Garcia get the GlenOak job, it would seem 50-50 that Rose stays at GlenOak. If Rose does transfer - and that's a big if - it won't be until after the school year and to a school in which his father gets a coaching job."

"Rose said he will take a few weeks to let the dust settle from his resignation and see if he still has the coaching itch."
(Translation, I'll see if anyone offers me anything. Like him or not, Thom McDaniels had numerous offers to choose from the same week he left Warren Harding. And there have been several head coaching positions filled statewide since Rose resigned.)

[LLRose]

That could then be used as an explanation if he isn't offered a coaching position of "his caliber."

I have seen no comments to indicate he would give up coaching altogether to watch his son play. Here are the prior comments I have seen.

(Before the hiring of Garcia)
"Should Garcia get the GlenOak job, it would seem 50-50 that Rose stays at GlenOak. If Rose does transfer - and that's a big if - it won't be until after the school year and to a school in which his father gets a coaching job."

"Rose said he will take a few weeks to let the dust settle from his resignation and see if he still has the coaching itch."
(Translation, I'll see if anyone offers me anything. Like him or not, Thom McDaniels had numerous offers to choose from the same week he left Warren Harding. And there have been several head coaching positions filled statewide since Rose resigned.)

Utilizing Todd Porter as your source for information regarding Jack's future is the most foolish thing you have ever posted on this site. Your credibility has reached an a new low.

In the future...................... don't ever rip Porter.

You can't have it both ways.

[LLRose]

the truth is that rose needs massillon more than massillon needs rose.[/QUOTE]

Please explain. I see no logic in your comment.

Also, why in the world would a guy return to a school that fired him?

[CarlE]

The same reason a guy would continue posting on a forum where 99% of the people think he's ludicrous. Hmmmmmm.

[LLRose]

The same reason a guy would continue posting on a forum where 99% of the people think he's ludicrous. Hmmmmmm.

It was only a matter of time before you'd post one of your weak takes.

For the record.................... I didn't play for Jack at GO and I'm not the rapper Ludicrous.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I've never understood why people feel it necessary to beat a dead horse beyond recognition and do it with such venom directed at others! :sad2:

[CarlE]

It was only a matter of time before you'd post one of your weak takes.

For the record.................... I didn't play for Jack at GO and I'm not the rapper Ludicrous.

We know you didn't. You need talent to play anywhere. We know you're not. He ALSO has talent. I guess in that world.

[LLRose]

I've never understood why people feel it necessary to beat a dead horse beyond recognition and do it with such venom directed at others! :sad2:

retreat

[TigerswillbeTigers]

My point was somewhat sarcastic but definately to your benefit LL!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

TigerswillbeTigers,

There is only one poster who is an artist at directing venom at others...that person is none other than the poster with an instinct that is killer, animated, masterful, dominating at 50x.

The only difference is that this poster knows when, where, how, and to control their venom when directed at one and doesn't have to resort to flaming up intentionally or name-calling for that matter.

Believe me...I gotten my share of that verbal injection of venom at times...it has caused me to sometimes change my ways (ex...gloating repeatedly about my Pittsburgh friends...I stopped that after getting a rightful dosage of her venom).

You want venom? Look no further than Kamd50 :no1: :biggrin: !

[Kamd50]

Keno, give it a rest:offtopic:

[SuperBran]

the truth is that rose needs massillon more than massillon needs rose.

Please explain. I see no logic in your comment.

Also, why in the world would a guy return to a school that fired him?[/QUOTE]

i can address both with the same answer......b/c rose has no job and people aren't exactly beating down his door with offers.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

You know...I am starting to wonder if Rose actually will come back to Massillon as an assistant. I'm thinking the answer will come somewhere...I don't know where but I'm guessing maybe the next two months, up to mid-July at best because that is when voluntary workouts begin.

If Rose isn't on the staff by mid-July, that pretty much confirms the answer if he will be at Massillon or not.

[Kamd50]

Does anybody even care anymore at this point? This is getting beyond old, it has gone into antiquated mode.

[longtimefirsttime]

Utilizing Todd Porter as your source for information regarding Jack's future is the most foolish thing you have ever posted on this site. Your credibility has reached an a new low.

In the future...................... don't ever rip Porter.

You can't have it both ways.


Why not? You hedge on your comments about Rose. You say he's a "dynasty coach", yet offer a million and one excuses for his poor coaching performance at GlenOak.

(And for the record, my disclaimers about Porter warn those that his statements are not always correct. OCCASIONALLY he does get it right.)

[LLRose]

Please explain. I see no logic in your comment.

Also, why in the world would a guy return to a school that fired him?

i can address both with the same answer......b/c rose has no job and people aren't exactly beating down his door with offers.[/QUOTE]

1. Rose resigned his position at GO

2. He has a son playing, did you ever consider he wants to watch his son play and not be the head coach of his team?

[longtimefirsttime]

i can address both with the same answer......b/c rose has no job and people aren't exactly beating down his door with offers.

1. Rose resigned his position at GO

2. He has a son playing, did you ever consider he wants to watch his son play and not be the head coach of his team?

Didn't he coach him last season?

From the Independent:
"Rose stepped down as the head coach at GlenOak on March 12. Despite saying he was resigning to spend more time with his family, he also left the door open to the possibility of a return to the sideline as an assistant coach."

Why not remain as Head Coach? Why resign to become an assistant?

“He’s upset that I’ve stepped down,” Jack said of his son. “I told him, you learn some life lessons through all of this. There’s no such thing as job security. I felt bad, because he was in with a good group. We had talked about me coaching for his last two years there and then I was going to step down and look at being an assistant coach somewhere.”

Once again, if that was the plan why did he resign?

From Rose:
"We came to an understanding, and we both agreed, it would be better if I stepped down. I think they were looking to go in another direction anyway."

From a Rep article:
"No one in the Plain Local administration was willing to say if Rose would or would not have had his supplemental contract renewed next month. "

LLRose-Most people who have encountered JR say he's a good guy. But don't you think it's possible, with the comments provided above, that he resigned before he was fired (or non-renewed if you will)? Despite having some excellent talent over the past seven years, his record is just above .500 as a head coach. That is fact.

Once again I would welcome him as an assistant at Massillon.

[Benchboss1]

Anybody with any common sense KNOWS that he resigned before they fired him. Jack being the nice guy that he is, knew that it would look bad for the district if he made them dump him, so he resigned, plain and simple.

[DAWGH8R]

As usual, BenchBoss is right again !!!:thumbsup:

[Benchboss1]

Thanks Dawg!! Nice to see another one of my adoring fans state the obvious!!:lol:

[massillon catholic]

Of course, he was going to be fired. He's had several D-1 players and couldn't win. He'd be a decent Asst., but thats it.

[SuperBran]

i can address both with the same answer......b/c rose has no job and people aren't exactly beating down his door with offers.

1. Rose resigned his position at GO

2. He has a son playing, did you ever consider he wants to watch his son play and not be the head coach of his team?[/QUOTE]

i specifically said that he needs massillon more than massillon needs him b/c he has no job and people aren't beating down his door. i'm not sure what your response (quoted above) has to do with what i said.

it doesn't matter if he resigned....he still has no job.

it doesn't matter if he wants to watch his son play.....he still doesn't have much interest, especially for a "dynasty" coach. if he was such a great coach, the offers would be there even if he wanted to watch his son play.

perhaps he could just move his son with him and coach him again. afterall, once daddy left he seemed to really want to jump ship. wait.......i'm sure most players visit high schools like colleges.

[crackerman]

ripping on him? not really. just fighting the delusion with a healthy dose of reality.

the really funny thing is listening to you defend him.....i can only imagine what's constantly running through your mind: "i know he couldn't win the big game at massillon......i know he had a horrendous record with GO....but he's such a great coach who is too good to be an assistant at massillon because he won a state championship a really long time ago."


Just to stir the pot a little, not to defend Jack but....
1) First Massillon coach to beat Moeller.
2) won the 100th game.
3) Got GlenOak their first ever playoff when as an 8 seed versus a #1 seed.
4) Never got us put on probation for recruiting.
5) If he was such a bad coach, Stacy wouldn't be entertaining the thought of bringing him in.
6) whether you like it or not and whether it was Division IV or not, did win a state title.
7) Jack has way more offers than you think. You think he is going to release that to the media? Come on now.

[tiger#22]

Just to stir the pot a little, not to defend Jack but....
1) First Massillon coach to beat Moeller.
2) won the 100th game.
3) Got GlenOak their first ever playoff when as an 8 seed versus a #1 seed.
4) Never got us put on probation for recruiting.
5) If he was such a bad coach, Stacy wouldn't be entertaining the thought of bringing him in.
6) whether you like it or not and whether it was Division IV or not, did win a state title.
7) Jack has way more offers than you think. You think he is going to release that to the media? Come on now.

1. 5-5
2. 1-5 against your biggest rival
3. 2-3 in Playoff games in 6 seasons

[massillon catholic]

1. 5-5
2. 1-5 against your biggest rival
3. 2-3 in Playoff games in 6 seasons

And he only got to enjoy #2 for one week! So, its just like never beating them when you can't talk about it all year.

[tiger#22]

And he only got to enjoy #2 for one week! So, its just like never beating them when you can't talk about it all year.

Of course we could also bring up 1996, going into the Mckinley game 9-0 and ranked in the top 5 in the majority of National Polls and then getting completely dominated at HOME by the Bulldogs and turning right around and getting beat by a bad Barberton team,,,,nice coaching job those 2 weeks, he should have been gone after that season.

[Banks]

Of course we could also bring up 1996, going into the Mckinley game 9-0 and ranked in the top 5 in the majority of National Polls and then getting completely dominated at HOME by the Bulldogs and turning right around and getting beat by a bad Barberton team,,,,nice coaching job those 2 weeks, he should have been gone after that season.

If you are going to bash at least get the facts correct. Massillon lost to Brunswick 7-6

[SuperBran]

Just to stir the pot a little, not to defend Jack but....
1) First Massillon coach to beat Moeller.
2) won the 100th game.
3) Got GlenOak their first ever playoff when as an 8 seed versus a #1 seed.
4) Never got us put on probation for recruiting.
5) If he was such a bad coach, Stacy wouldn't be entertaining the thought of bringing him in.
6) whether you like it or not and whether it was Division IV or not, did win a state title.
7) Jack has way more offers than you think. You think he is going to release that to the media? Come on now.

i'm not saying that he's a bad coach, and have never said that he's a bad coach....i just don't think he's as good of a coach as what people like llrose make him out to be. llrose makes him out to be this almighty genius of a coach who's up there with the best of them. that's simply not true.

i'll give him credit for beating moeller; however, winning the 100th game doesn't make up for the fact that he went 1-5 against mckinley. he also lost the 101st game quickly afterwards. he couldn't get it done.

yes, he never had us on probation due to recruiting, but how many other massillon coaches have been caught recruiting? in fact, it's been a long time since massillon has been found guilty of recruiting. yes, we've been accused, but we haven't been found guilty.

again, i definitely don't think he's a bad coach. i just think it's ridiculous to think that he's an elite coach. he should be proud of his title, but shouldn't be judged solely on that one feat.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

tiger #22,

Massillon was #2 in the nation.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Keno, Keno, Keno,
I'm pretty sure #2 is "in the top 5" no matter what poll you choose, or what polls Tiger#22 chooses!

[OTC TIGER]

Just to stir the pot a little, not to defend Jack but....
1) First Massillon coach to beat Moeller.
2) won the 100th game.
3) Got GlenOak their first ever playoff when as an 8 seed versus a #1 seed.
4) Never got us put on probation for recruiting.
5) If he was such a bad coach, Stacy wouldn't be entertaining the thought of bringing him in.
6) whether you like it or not and whether it was Division IV or not, did win a state title.
7) Jack has way more offers than you think. You think he is going to release that to the media? Come on now.

Better check # 4...The Jesse Scott scandal emerged in February of 1998
3 months prior to Shepas being hired

[massillon catholic]

Better check # 4...The Jesse Scott scandal emerged in February of 1998
3 months prior to Shepas being hired

Regarding #4, I can name several players who transferred to Massillon during Rose's tenure that if Shepas were the coach it would have been considered recruiting. Hodgson, Biggums, Hymes, just to name a few.

[crackerman]

1. 5-5
2. 1-5 against your biggest rival
3. 2-3 in Playoff games in 6 seasons

1) wasnt Shep 4-6 one year?
2)1-5 versus a McKinley talent run that included 2 NFL players, 2 state titles and one National Championship team.

And my God people let go of the team that lost 7-6 to Brunswick. If that team was the 2nd best team in the nation that year, let alone really in the 20 best int he country, then I am Tony the Tiger.

[Banks]

Better check # 4...The Jesse Scott scandal emerged in February of 1998
3 months prior to Shepas being hired


It was Febuary 1999

[Banks]

Regarding #4, I can name several players who transferred to Massillon during Rose's tenure that if Shepas were the coach it would have been considered recruiting. Hodgson, Biggums, Hymes, just to name a few.

Didn't Gordy transfer out to McK ?
Dave Hodgson was kicked out of Jackson and ended up in Massillon

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=crackerman;49802]1)
2)1-5 versus a McKinley talent run that included 2 NFL players


Isn't T.J. Downing & Dustin Fox in the NFL

Are there not 2 Hartlines at Ohio State
:scratchchin:

[massillon catholic]

Didn't Gordy transfer out to McK ?
Dave Hodgson was kicked out of Jackson and ended up in Massillon

Biggums lived in Plain Twp. I believe that Hodgson was kicked off the team not out of the school

[longtimefirsttime]

Just to stir the pot a little, not to defend Jack but....
1) First Massillon coach to beat Moeller.
2) won the 100th game.
3) Got GlenOak their first ever playoff when as an 8 seed versus a #1 seed.
4) Never got us put on probation for recruiting.
5) If he was such a bad coach, Stacy wouldn't be entertaining the thought of bringing him in.
6) whether you like it or not and whether it was Division IV or not, did win a state title.
7) Jack has way more offers than you think. You think he is going to release that to the media? Come on now.

Cracker you can hardly call yourself objective on this one. You have commented that he's a friend and that you coached there. However his record at GlenOak (along with results in many big games while at Massillon) as a head coach more than speaks for itself. But as I've said many times that should not exclude him from consideration as an assistant.