"All-county running back Griffin leaving Aquinas for McKinley"

[longtimefirsttime]

The Rep story:
http://cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=337547&Category=17

[tiger51]

figures.... :) every year they get a student or two from a "private one time move"....

[SuperBran]

i'm sure he transferred for more of a challenge in the classroom.

[OTC TIGER]

They better find somebody that can score against us...10 points in the last
2 games won't get it done against the Tigers :rockon:

[ChronicTiger]

Good for him. Who wouldnt want to play for a well know program.......
Everyone gets transfers....WHO CARES!

:thumbsup:

[Banks]

Good for him. Who wouldnt want to play for a well know program.......
Everyone gets transfers....WHO CARES!

:thumbsup:

We will get ours, too.

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

i'm sure he transferred for more of a challenge in the classroom.

YOU ALMOST MADE ME FALL OFF MY CHAIR....
I am SURE that is why he transferred, the "academic bar" is very high there AND they have a free daycare program for students that are also parents....:thanx:

[ChronicTiger]

people are killing me on this.....these are the same type of things we hate to hear people say about massillon.........

Glass Houses
Black pots.....

:eek2:

[Red50Go]

people are killing me on this.....these are the same type of things we hate to hear people say about massillon.........

Glass Houses
Black pots.....

:eek2:


C'mon CT, it aint that hard to comprehend - WE ARE BEING SARCASTIC! For all the grief we take from Mckinley and Fed bashers... this is barely a small taste of their own medicine.

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

people are killing me on this.....these are the same type of things we hate to hear people say about massillon.........

Glass Houses
Black pots.....

:eek2:

I have to admit that is why my son will be staying here in Minerva until the time is right. Get all the required college prep classes out of the way then move to play and take Under water basket weaving 101 at WHS.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Last year, Canton McKinley obtained George Tabron and at 6'0'', 245 lbs., he proved to be a solid fullback in helping the Bulldogs regain their regional championship.

I don't know too much about Griffin at this time but if he can fit into the mold, so be it.

[TigerCoach]

I have to admit that is why my son will be staying here in Minerva until the time is right. Get all the required college prep classes out of the way then move to play and take Under water basket weaving 101 at WHS.

You can have him take all those classes that he wants, but don't expect him to go to college. By the way, try not to label all athletes as dumb-asses! I know plenty of athletes who have graduated from WHS who are also very good students. We just had a thread about discrimination/profiling/etc.. and we don't need it again.

[Mass6]

Good call TigerCoach! I get tired of hearing that football players are either dumb or take cake classes to get better grades.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Mass6,

I second your stance! Why does everyone try to make Massillon out to be the bad guys for? I never really understood that to a degree and it's sick as stupid, horrendous, inconsistent, trash!

Heck, look at Brett Huffman...he graduated with a 4.0 average. Then again, look at Michael Porrini. He has a 3.8 average in the classroom. Then there is Justin Turner, who currently possess a 3.3 average. And there are more but I'll spare the details.

Sometimes I wish people would keep their big, ignorant, thoughtless, crazy, horrendous, inconsistent, nasty, grumbling to themselves.

[monte81]

I have to admit that is why my son will be staying here in Minerva until the time is right. Get all the required college prep classes out of the way then move to play and take Under water basket weaving 101 at WHS.

With the new Clearinghouse rules for 2008 to get a DIa or Diaa scholarship it will be imposible not to take college prep all 4 years of High School. The new requirements will be 16 core credits to be eligable as a freshman in college. Thats 4 classes a year/semester not counting electives. basket weaving and cooking do not count as Core!!

Alot more kids will miss out on scholarships---- I have the rules hanging on the fridge for my kids to understand!!!!
However my kid(s) will be back to play regardless of any tranfer rules. I will sell this house in C-bus and move in with my mother if worse case scenerio happens. Good luck TLFA our kids might be ballin together!!!!

Keno--- Darion has had a 4.0 for 4 quarters in a row and has a Core GPA of 3.4!!!! Next time you see me I will be dressed in blue and gold---GO ROCKETS!!!!

[MTown]

I have to admit that is why my son will be staying here in Minerva until the time is right. Get all the required college prep classes out of the way then move to play and take Under water basket weaving 101 at WHS.

HORSECRAP!

I'm sorry but I cannot let this go. I listen to this garbage all day long at work and cannot accept this from a pro-Massillon person.

I am tired of hearing this junk about how other schools have superior educations to Massillon. Garbage. It is a freaking public education...the cirriculum is determined by the state. It is UP TO THE STUDENT TO WORK TO EDUCATE HIMSELF. Most of that comes from the home. If you make your kids study and work hard, they will get a great education at Massillon. I do not believe for one second that the best students at Jackson are any better than the best students at Massillon. We just have more kids walking our halls that just don't give a damn and that is their own undoing.

We need to quit talking like our kids can't get educated here. Our kids will get out of it what they put in.

[Al.]

HORSECRAP!

I'm sorry but I cannot let this go. I listen to this garbage all day long at work and cannot accept this from a pro-Massillon person.

I am tired of hearing this junk about how other schools have superior educations to Massillon. Garbage. It is a freaking public education...the cirriculum is determined by the state. It is UP TO THE STUDENT TO WORK TO EDUCATE HIMSELF. Most of that comes from the home. If you make your kids study and work hard, they will get a great education at Massillon. I do not believe for one second that the best students at Jackson are any better than the best students at Massillon. We just have more kids walking our halls that just don't give a damn and that is their own undoing.

We need to quit talking like our kids can't get educated here. Our kids will get out of it what they put in.


I nominate this for POST OF THE YEAR !!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Mass6]

And I back your nomination Al!!!!!!!

[Seeker]

HORSECRAP!

We need to quit talking like our kids can't get educated here. Our kids will get out of it what they put in.


Thank you MTown!

TLFA, I for one am not happy with you right now.

I double damn GUARENTEE you that a smart kid with parents who care will get a better education at WHS than Minerva.


Our kids that are acadmically motivated, that have parents who are a little involved with their lives do just fine on their ACT's and go on to college and knock down good grades.

I think you've been away too long.

Come to the high school with me and I'll give YOU a 2007 education about MCS!

Minerva...MY ASS.


:mad:

[OTC TIGER]

I have to admit that is why my son will be staying here in Minerva until the time is right. Get all the required college prep classes out of the way then move to play and take Under water basket weaving 101 at WHS.

If and when you move to Massillon..will you be selling all of your farm
equipment :scratchchin:

[Mr.Deedee]

MTown--

Good for you! I second your post. I have had three children graduate from WHS so far (one more to go) and all have been college educated and have done remarkably well. In fact, my son who went to one of the service academies once said, "Dad, I'm going to this academy with supposedly the best students from all over the country and I AM WAY AHEAD of them."

[Red50Go]

MTown--

Good for you! I second your post. I have had three children graduate from WHS so far (one more to go) and all have been college educated and have done remarkably well. In fact, my son who went to one of the service academies once said, "Dad, I'm going to this academy with supposedly the best students from all over the country and I AM WAY AHEAD of them."

CONGRATS to you, and your children. I had a similar experience. My brothers & I would often comment how surprised we were that our BG & UA college classmates seemed so behind, coming from other area schools that had such better reputations. Of course Massillon has many vocational & shop majors too but we took the college prep & ap classes and they were GREAT.

[Chubby Tiger]

As a recent grad of WHS, I personally feel as if the academics need to be more challenging. Granted things worked out for me and I have a full academic scholarship, but as I look back on things I was not really challenged even with AP courses. I think we should move to a higher grading scale with A's starting in the range of 93% or so, that way the kids really have to put in that extra effort. Another area that I think needs addressed is the exam policy. Nobody should ever be exempt from taking exams because of attendance or grades. When I hit college I experienced somewhat of a shock when I took exams because I always had all A's in high school and was exempt. Maybe I'm too harsh, but I think a few changes could be made.

[DAWGH8R]

I'll put my Massillon educated kid , currently a JUNIOR, up against ANY kid that is educated elsewhere !!!

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[longtimefirsttime]

I have to admit that is why my son will be staying here in Minerva until the time is right. Get all the required college prep classes out of the way then move to play and take Under water basket weaving 101 at WHS.

Many people live here because they BELIEVE in this town and school district. If you dare to DREAM large and are willing to work hard, you can make things happen.

[obie0130]

TLFA, if that is how you feel about WHS keep your kids enrolled at Minerva, we don't need or want them and that type of attitude here.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Man, the Massillon posters are really imposing their forceful will! I haven't seen anyone on here that forceful since I forgot my tape recorder two years ago before going into the pressbox :laughing: !

Massillon is a city that always welcomes people with open arms and that will never change! Everyone always has a bad word to say about Massillon and their fans. But I know how Massillon fans really are and I know how they all are really like. I have been around them for three years and they have never been a problem to anyone during my three years or anything else for that matter! I have leads defending my stance too!!

MTown I'll give you props for that post being the Massillon native you are. But you will not have another solid post like the one you had...after San Antonio dumps Phoenix in their potential conference semifinal!

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

DELETED INAPPROPRIATE COMMENT If you all would for one minute be honest with yourselves- although Massillon's academic situation is IMPROVING they are certainly not one of THE schools in our area to go to for outstanding academics.
I can tell you from experience that Massillon City kids fall through the cracks, both in the past and present.
My friend went through Whittier up until 5th grade when they realized that she was reading at a 1st grade level- and L.D.
My niece is having problems currently at one of Massillon's schools, she was told last year to be put ahead into 1st grade although she was having problems in kindergarten because 1st grade offered more programs for help- she just last week (3/4 of the school year is finished) was being "tested" for learning disabilities and such through the schools but at this point in the school year and with the results not available until May 2007- what's the point.
I went to Massillon, all through the years. I did not have participation at home, I still did well. However, not once did a teacher ask where my mom was at conferences or investigate the situation at my home-not once did they bother to reach out to me.
I can tell you from taking my nieces to Open Houses at several Massillon schools (recently) that compared to Minerva Local Schools-they are lacking. Not only in academics, but in teacher participation- The teachers here are in touch with me constantly (I am constantly invited into the school, etc..)Granted every school has classes designed for the more academically advanced students-but in some cases teachers that are degreed in Math are not being utilized in Math.
I never implied that athletes are dumb- or under-achievers. If you read my post that would mean that I was calling my son the same which couldn't be further from the truth. Athletes are often very bright, and are multi-talented. And all my kids play sports, and my 1st grader gets all A's- and played T-ball, fall Soccer, does Gymnastics, and also takes swim lessons. (oh last year she played basketball too.)
The curriculum alone does not make a school, or a district. It takes dedication, community involvement (PTA), problem- solvers, and school administration members who put the children first. I can tell you that Minerva is has far exceeded my expectations on all of those things.
So, no I will not probably ever move from here- never sell the farm. And although I am a true Tiger fan, don't misunderstand I am a mother first and foremost in my life and that means giving my children (boys and girls) the very best I can give them. Schooling included.
So, IF the day comes when my son wants to play football and IF he is good enough to play in DI- I would put his academics first, even if that means staying here in Minerva and playing in front of a small crowd of (maybe) 2,000fans a year, and even if that means that I will have to bring myself to pass on my Tiger games to watch the Lions play.

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

And for the record, Massillon has one of the best vocational classes around.

And for the record, Minerva students also utilize the RG Drage Center.

[obie0130]

you can get pissed all you want, but you opened the can of worms with your comment. if you don't like massillon city schools keep your kids away, but you did say that they would "get all the coll. prep out of the way and then go to whs to play"... whatever...
I think we all know that MCS system is not the greatest right now, but we are heading in the right direction. i know with 2 little boys who will be coming up through the system in the next few years, i am excited to see things such as the new middle school, sports medicine program, and most importantly the college enterance program that walsh will have at the HS. these are opportunities which those of us in the past did not have. they are also signs of progress and reasons to believe in our school system.
as far as kids getting lost in the cracks, that may happen more here then at minerva mainly because of sheer numbers. not saying it is accetptable, because it certainly is not. fewer students, more availibility from faculty.

[austinsm11]

although Massillon's academic situation is IMPROVING they are certainly not one of THE schools in our area to go to for outstanding academics.



I wasn't aware that Minerva was one either.

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

Pissed or not. I stand by my comments. I would not send my children there if given the choice.
I agree that the schools are moving in the right direction, but most children don't have the luxury of waiting 4-5 years for the school system to work out the "kinks" before heading in the right direction.
I don't feel that it is the responsibility of the teachers to soley teach my kids, not at any school district. I do my part, I work on homework every night, I am present at schools, I review papers that come home, and I voice my concerns and suggestions to my childrens teacher.
I do feel that the state asks too much of our teachers today without giving school districts the necessary resources and funds to accomplish those things. However, I feel that schools should hire teachers who have secondary education to teach secondary education and math teachers to teach math-some schools in Stark County don't even have hard copies of books to provide to students.
All of this is MY opinion. But completely off topic abour Griffin going to McKinley. :offtopic:

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

I wasn't aware that Minerva was one either.

Minerva is actually on the State's list of "Effective" which is self explainatory.

I don't want to be nasty, but you can compare yourself here.
http://dnet01.ode.state.oh.us/DistrictRatings/Districts.aspx

[ChronicTiger]

I don't feel that it is the responsibility of the teachers to soley teach my kids, not at any school district. I do my part, I work on homework every night, I am present at schools, I review papers that come home, and I voice my concerns and suggestions to my childrens teacher.


This is the reason your kids would do well anywhere.........You give the school too much credit............It would be nice if more parents were like you........
and looked more like you......

:love:

[Seeker]

My niece is having problems currently at one of Massillon's schools, she was told last year to be put ahead into 1st grade although she was having problems in kindergarten because 1st grade offered more programs for help- she just last week (3/4 of the school year is finished) was being "tested" for learning disabilities and such through the schools but at this point in the school year and with the results not available until May 2007- what's the point.



This is a perfect example of Massillon's crappy parents.

My wife and I have been through this exact same difficulty.

The school was correct. A lot more help is available once a child reaches first grade.

But, what bothers me is the "welfare mom" attitude that they just waited for the "free testing" through the school.
It only costs $400 to get your kid tested by a private doctor, and you get the results in a timely manner. Most insurance companies cover the cost.

Before you throw rocks at at Massillon, check on the waiting list for free testing in your own system.

And furthermore...YOU...were talking about HIGH SCHOOL shortcomings, but when you were challenged, you brought up elementary school stuff that you only have your relatives half story on.

To me, this just sounds like the usual sububanite snob crap that we are used to hearing from a few other posters, one in particular.

[obiefan]

Man, the Massillon posters are really imposing their forceful will! I haven't seen anyone on here that forceful since I forgot my tape recorder two years ago before going into the pressbox !

:offtopic:

Massillon is a city that always welcomes people with open arms and that will never change! Everyone always has a bad word to say about Massillon and their fans. But I know how Massillon fans really are and I know how they all are really like. I have been around them for three years and they have never been a problem to anyone during my three years or anything else for that matter! I have leads defending my stance too!!

MTown I'll give you props for that post being the Massillon native you are.

But you will not have another solid post like the one you had...after San Antonio dumps Phoenix in their potential conference semifinal!
:offtopic:

[CarlE]

DELETED INAPPROPRIATE COMMENT If you all would for one minute be honest with yourselves- although Massillon's academic situation is IMPROVING they are certainly not one of THE schools in our area to go to for outstanding academics.
I can tell you from experience that Massillon City kids fall through the cracks, both in the past and present.
My friend went through Whittier up until 5th grade when they realized that she was reading at a 1st grade level- and L.D.
My niece is having problems currently at one of Massillon's schools, she was told last year to be put ahead into 1st grade although she was having problems in kindergarten because 1st grade offered more programs for help- she just last week (3/4 of the school year is finished) was being "tested" for learning disabilities and such through the schools but at this point in the school year and with the results not available until May 2007- what's the point.
I went to Massillon, all through the years. I did not have participation at home, I still did well. However, not once did a teacher ask where my mom was at conferences or investigate the situation at my home-not once did they bother to reach out to me.
I can tell you from taking my nieces to Open Houses at several Massillon schools (recently) that compared to Minerva Local Schools-they are lacking. Not only in academics, but in teacher participation- The teachers here are in touch with me constantly (I am constantly invited into the school, etc..)Granted every school has classes designed for the more academically advanced students-but in some cases teachers that are degreed in Math are not being utilized in Math.
I never implied that athletes are dumb- or under-achievers. If you read my post that would mean that I was calling my son the same which couldn't be further from the truth. Athletes are often very bright, and are multi-talented. And all my kids play sports, and my 1st grader gets all A's- and played T-ball, fall Soccer, does Gymnastics, and also takes swim lessons. (oh last year she played basketball too.)
The curriculum alone does not make a school, or a district. It takes dedication, community involvement (PTA), problem- solvers, and school administration members who put the children first. I can tell you that Minerva is has far exceeded my expectations on all of those things.
So, no I will not probably ever move from here- never sell the farm. And although I am a true Tiger fan, don't misunderstand I am a mother first and foremost in my life and that means giving my children (boys and girls) the very best I can give them. Schooling included.
So, IF the day comes when my son wants to play football and IF he is good enough to play in DI- I would put his academics first, even if that means staying here in Minerva and playing in front of a small crowd of (maybe) 2,000fans a year, and even if that means that I will have to bring myself to pass on my Tiger games to watch the Lions play.

Look, are you a freaking Mensa (smart person) or WHAT? I mean let's face it, it's not like you're in freaking GlenMoor or something with this fine Minerva education. Just shut up and apologize for offending this site, the people, and the town. DAMN.

[Kamd50]

Hmmmmm, if someone did not realize that their own child who was in 5th grade was reading at a 1st grade level, I'd have to ask what in the heck was wrong with the parents?! I know that I have sat and listened to all 4 of my kids reading while they were growing up as a part of homework and on our own as a nightly routine.

Having someone from my family teaching in the school system ,I can say that they and their peer teachers are required to make home visits to every student's home who attend that particular school. They make parent/guardian phone calls pretty much on a daily basis. They are really reaching out and making advancements.

I will also say that for the past 3 years that my son has gone to Longfellow and MMS, I was actually pleasantly surprised to receive phone calls from various teachers for various reasons. Not necessarily glad all of the time about what I was being told, lol, but that they were concerned and communicating with us. That meant a great deal to us as parents. And furthermore, I have to say that I have been very impressed with my son's 8th gr. science teacher who went so far this year as to have a parent meeting to explain the requirements of a big project the students are working on via a phone recording along with an offer to call him directly.......and followup progress phone calls. He is doing an excellent job and I commend him.

My oldest graduated WHS, top 24, etc. etc., went onto Walsh with many scholarship awards, graduated from there with many honors and in the top percentage of her class with honors that I don't even know how to pronounce, and has been teaching for 5 years right after graduating. So those classes that she took at Massillon and AP teachers must have done something right to prepare her in order to be so successful in college and after.

[SuperBran]

Minerva is actually on the State's list of "Effective" which is self explainatory.

I don't want to be nasty, but you can compare yourself here.
http://dnet01.ode.state.oh.us/DistrictRatings/Districts.aspx

massillon's stats are listed below. i've added minerva's right next to massillon's scores.


Percentage of 10th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Social Studies Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 70.7 (73)
Percentage of 10th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Math Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 77.1 (77.6)
Percentage of 10th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Reading Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 87.2 (86.8)
Percentage of 10th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Writing Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 78.0 (82.9)
Percentage of 10th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Science Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 60.3 (68.4)

Cumulative percentage of 11th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Social Studies Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 83.3 (81.6)
Cumulative percentage of 11th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Math Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 87.0 (86.6)
Cumulative percentage of 11th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Reading Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 93.8 (86.7)
Cumulative percentage of 11th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Writing Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 86.8 (77.2)
Cumulative percentage of 11th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Science Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 75.7 (83)

minerva sure seems to be kicking butt (insert sarchasm here). massillon's not too far off, yet has more than twice the students. not too bad.

school is what YOU make of it. one of my college roommates went to st. x in cincy. he paid so much money for that great education, yet we ended up in the same place. i had other friends from x and moeller that i went to law school with who didn't finish nearly as high as i did. if you want an education at massillon, you'll get one.

[longtimefirsttime]

massillon's stats are listed below. i've added minerva's right next to massillon's scores.


Percentage of 10th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Social Studies Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 70.7 (73)
Percentage of 10th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Math Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 77.1 (77.6)
Percentage of 10th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Reading Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 87.2 (86.8)
Percentage of 10th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Writing Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 78.0 (82.9)
Percentage of 10th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Science Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 60.3 (68.4)

Cumulative percentage of 11th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Social Studies Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 83.3 (81.6)
Cumulative percentage of 11th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Math Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 87.0 (86.6)
Cumulative percentage of 11th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Reading Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 93.8 (86.7)
Cumulative percentage of 11th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Writing Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 86.8 (77.2)
Cumulative percentage of 11th Grade Students Who Scored Proficient or Higher on the Science Ohio Graduation Test (2005-06) 75.7 (83)

minerva sure seems to be kicking butt (insert sarchasm here). massillon's not too far off, yet has more than twice the students. not too bad.

school is what YOU make of it. one of my college roommates went to st. x in cincy. he paid so much money for that great education, yet we ended up in the same place. i had other friends from x and moeller that i went to law school with who didn't finish nearly as high as i did. if you want an education at massillon, you'll get one.
:iagree:

[DragonTigerNemesis]

Thank you Mr. SuperBran!

Perhaps back when she actually had first-hand experince with MCS, they let her down in teaching her how to research something.

Based on what you have posted, and taking demographics into consideration, if I lived in Minerva I would consider it a major step UP to enroll my kids in Massillon.

Could a moderator please check the IP logs?
Maybe Ms. PurpleArmy and Ms.TigerLoverFromAFAR are the same person?

Between the materialistic bragging and snobby putdowns, they sound a lot alike.

:kungfu:

[TigerLily]

Just check it out -- we must be doing something right.

Not to mention all of the unsung “distinguished” citizens (past graduates) that go about their lives very productively and contribute to this and other communities.

http://www.massillonwhsaa.org/distinguished.htm

And through the long, long years to come,
Wherever we may be,
Oh, Alma Mater, Massillon,
We're true to thee"

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

DragonTigerNemesis,

Massillon receives just as good as an education as everyone else of their respective school districts.

Sometimes, I wish people would just keep their sardonic, malevolent, arrogant, rude, terrible, atrocious, sullen, senseless comments about Massillon and the education of students and student/athletes to themselves. It's not that hard, I swear more than anything.

[tbone]

Massillon receives just as good as an education as everyone else of their respective school districts.


wow.

that "sentence" makes absolutely zero sense.:dead:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

tbone,

It pained me that you missed where I was coming from but that's OK with me.

Look at it this way, an education is an education. Either you get it or you don't.

[tbone]

tbone,

It pained me that you missed where I was coming from but that's OK with me.

i couldn't see where you were coming from because what you wrote made no grammatical sense whatsoever.

in a topic that has drifted towards a discussion of qualitly/lack of quality in education, i couldn't not respond to such a gory evisceration of the english language by someone who claims to be one who makes a living off of writing for public mass comsumption.


Look at it this way, an education is an education. Either you get it or you don't.

now that's profound.

well, i know where you supposedly got yours, and it pains me to realize that my degree from mount union college isn't worth what i paid (am paying) for it for the sole reason that they gave you one too.

[Mass6]

Easy there Tbone! There is no need to discredit your education from Mount Union based on something a person types in a forum. If that were the case and you want to add comments on Keno's education then I have to ask, how good is your grammer when you use:
"i couldn't not respond to such a gory evisceration...."?

"couldn't not" sounds like a double negative to me. Not to pick but relax a little on the comments.

[tbone]

"couldn't not" sounds like a double negative to me. Not to pick but relax a little on the comments.

it sounds like one, but it isn't.

"don't have no" is one.

"never wouldn't" is another.

not responding to keno's post was something that i could not do. therefore, i responded.

but, i suppose that you're right...i should lay off now. :heee:

[TigerLily]

But, you do have to give points for the use of “evisceration”!!!!
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[crackerman]

Back to the topic, the Griffin kid wasnt all that outstanding coming up. Now i did not see him last year, but I know Aquanis played a very weak schedule and are Division V. Griffin was at GlenOak all the way thru his 9th/10th grade year. He left GlenOak because he could not beat out Anthony Smith at RB at GlenOak. Smith is good, but I would find amazement if Griffin started at McKinley, they must be real down at that position. He looks the part but runs very soft and timid. Imagine that.... a kid cant start at GlenOak so he eventually ends up as the starter at McKinley?
Also part of the problem with him leaving was that his parents thought his brother Cortez Everett was a Div I kid coming out of Glenoak, so they became disgruntled. He was a 5'9 210 pound rb who ran a 4.9 forty and thought he was a tailback. They claimed Jack Rose cost him a scholarship.... No...... genetics and a very slow forty time and being 3rd on the depth chart cost him that.
and Keno, not knocking what you said because you might not of seen this kid and were just using the example, but Tabron is at least 10X the player that Griffin is. In all seriousness, he will be LUCKY to run for 700-800 yards no matter how many carries he gets in the fed if he's the starter. He is in no way in the class of Morgan Williams or Ryan Brinson, not even close.

[monte81]

Back to the topic, the Griffin kid wasnt all that outstanding coming up. Now i did not see him last year, but I know Aquanis played a very weak schedule and are Division V. Griffin was at GlenOak all the way thru his 9th/10th grade year. He left GlenOak because he could not beat out Anthony Smith at RB at GlenOak. Smith is good, but I would find amazement if Griffin started at McKinley, they must be real down at that position. He looks the part but runs very soft and timid. Imagine that.... a kid cant start at GlenOak so he eventually ends up as the starter at McKinley?
Also part of the problem with him leaving was that his parents thought his brother Cortez Everett was a Div I kid coming out of Glenoak, so they became disgruntled. He was a 5'9 210 pound rb who ran a 4.9 forty and thought he was a tailback. They claimed Jack Rose cost him a scholarship.... No...... genetics and a very slow forty time and being 3rd on the depth chart cost him that.
and Keno, not knocking what you said because you might not of seen this kid and were just using the example, but Tabron is at least 10X the player that Griffin is. In all seriousness, he will be LUCKY to run for 700-800 yards no matter how many carries he gets in the fed if he's the starter. He is in no way in the class of Morgan Williams or Ryan Brinson, not even close.

Derrick Gordon (remember his dad?)is a promising back for the pups and will be pretty good--he started DB last year. The most promising back they have is Brice Everett(Tyler's little brother) He was a monster on the Freshman team this past season but probably needs one more year before he's ready!! I watched him in Midget league a few years ago and he can play.

[austinsm11]

Minerva is actually on the State's list of "Effective" which is self explainatory.

I don't want to be nasty, but you can compare yourself here.
http://dnet01.ode.state.oh.us/DistrictRatings/Districts.aspx

Perhaps you may want to compare Minerva to the rest of the school districts in the county and decide if Minerva is one of THE schools to attend for academics before putting Massillon down.

[Benchboss1]

Minerva is actually on the State's list of "Effective" which is self explainatory.

I don't want to be nasty, but you can compare yourself here.
http://dnet01.ode.state.oh.us/DistrictRatings/Districts.aspx



I don't want to be nasty either, but if Minerva is such a great school, why not just stay there and support their football program and stop leeching onto ours just because we win!! That is what I expect from McKinley "fans"!!:furious:

[Benchboss1]

Minerva is actually on the State's list of "Effective" which is self explainatory.




Effective. It sure is nice to know that by keeping your kids in the Minerva school system, you are doing what is in their very best interests, err.........should I say the most "effective" for them!:doh:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Whether Griffin will be a difference for the regional champion Bulldogs is too early to tell and won't know more till August for that matter.

[Mr.Deedee]

One more comment on school systems. I know it's a little off topic, but what the heck.

All school systems have their good qualities and their not so good qualities. All systems have teachers who are dynamic and should be teacher of the year every year, and then there are those who are just there to get a paycheck. All systems have parents who are into their child's education and, conversely have those who see the school systems as mere child care centers. Some districts have a higher percentage of well off kids and achievers (i.e. the suburban districts) and some districts represent a more realistic slice of the real world (i.e. city districts). It's just like life--if everything were perfect, I suppose we would be in heaven. We can boast or condemn all we want, but the bottom line is that if a student wants a good education in ANY school system in Stark County, they will get one--yes, even at McKinley High (ouch, that hurts!)

There have been references to students who are lagging behind and maybe need extra help and the fact that the Massillon schools are not there to give the help needed. I can tell you that this is not the case. Massillon does a great job in providing "educationally challenged" students ample opportunity to get a great start in life. It was not always like this (in fact it was not like this in ANY district way back when) but times have changed and evaluation processes are more advanced and student specific. In additon, there are those parents who demand that their challenged child be "included" in the regualr classroom which many times places an unfair burden on the child, the other students, and the teacher--who probably did not go to school and major in special ed. Inclusion is not for everyone.

Anyway, what I am getting at is that (as Al Hennon once told me) there is a niche for everyone in the Massillon schools. And I agree with the poster who stated that if a parent cannot determine that their child is lagging behind, then shame on them. The parent should be the first line of advocacy for their child.

Finally, proficiency tests in my estimation are not a true evaluaton of a school system's educational performance. There are so many factors that put the city districts in a bad light, and it is not fair to students who excel. I would much rather my child receive an education in a district that educates the whole spectrum of society so they are able to function in life than in a sterile, protective environment that produces students who are afraid of or naive of what the world has to offer.

[CarlE]

as far as kids getting lost in the cracks, that may happen more here then at minerva mainly because of sheer numbers.


Well, ours get lost in the cracks and Minerva's get lost in the cornfields and under the tractors. What's the difference?