Big Ten Preview: A Change at the top [Archive]

Kamd50

07-22-2006, 02:11 PM

Who does this guy think he is putting that "other" team ahead of OSU?

Big Ten Preview: A Change at the top
By Jeff Frank, Contributing Editor

Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - The Big Ten Conference had two teams in the top-five after last season's final poll was released. Penn State was third after its triple overtime Orange Bowl win over Florida State, while Ohio State finished fourth after crushing Notre Dame, 34-20 in the Fiesta Bowl.

The conference could once again have two teams finish in the top five. However, don't expect it to be the Nittany Lions and/or the Buckeyes, rather Michigan and Iowa should rebound from disappointing '05 campaigns, to seize control in 2006. ...............

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warren1st

07-23-2006, 06:06 PM

Ah! He must have been kidding. UM is no longer even a mild threat in the B10. OSU should whomp them by 40-50 points November 19th IN Columbus.

Not to worry.:wink: :wink:

CarlE

07-23-2006, 06:32 PM

Ah! He must have been kidding. UM is no longer even a mild threat in the B10. OSU should whomp them by 40-50 points November 19th IN Columbus.

Not to worry.:wink: :wink:

Or just one point. It really doesn't matter to me. I'm just pretty sure of the outcome. Thanks in advance yet again, Lloyd. And W1, PLEASE don't talk about his winning record against the Buckeyes. We ALL know that was due to one man, and we also know that Coop is no longer coaching Ohio State. Now, just grin and bear it.

xtiger

07-23-2006, 07:15 PM

Ah! He must have been kidding. UM is no longer even a mild threat in the B10. OSU should whomp them by 40-50 points November 19th IN Columbus.

Not to worry.:wink: :wink:

Wanna bet?:heee:

Kamd50

07-23-2006, 07:40 PM

LOL, love your polite sarcasm W1:hyper: Funny thing is though, that you are closer to being correct when you are trying to be a wise-guy, than when you are being serious:wink: :wink:

tiger74

07-24-2006, 12:51 AM

osu will beat michigan at home and iowa in iowa city. that writer has had one to many coronas. GO BUCKS!!!

TigerBuckeye313

07-24-2006, 04:42 AM

The Bucks are going to be nasty this year.

mUCK fICHIGAN

warren1st

07-24-2006, 07:44 AM

This is why it is so hard to ever root for the Buckeyes. :devil:
:wall: :wall:

mUCK fICHIGAN

warren1st

07-24-2006, 07:51 AM

CarlE - If Cooper was so bad, why did Ohio State keep him for 13 years? I really would like to know.

You know he came very close to winning at least 2 national championshops but couldn't beat the schools from Michigan.

This is a classic, "A tie is one of our greates wins ever," OSU president Gordon Gee said. "You don't have to read between the lines to figure out this guy is doing a hell of a job."

Or just one point. It really doesn't matter to me. I'm just pretty sure of the outcome. Thanks in advance yet again, Lloyd. And W1, PLEASE don't talk about his winning record against the Buckeyes. We ALL know that was due to one man, and we also know that Coop is no longer coaching Ohio State. Now, just grin and bear it.

CarlE

07-24-2006, 07:55 AM

Didn't you just answer your own question? It was the little dwarf in the bow tie that kept Coop around all those years. I think Coop went to his office everyday and tied his tie for him. In a cosummate show of appreciation Little Gee kept renewing his contract even though two schools from up north cost them two national championships. Ironic, Nick Saban was the coach at Michigan State when they beat the Buckeyes in '99, one of the two times that OSU was able to beat Michigan. I was at that game in Columbus.

warren1st

07-24-2006, 08:00 AM

Kamd50 - If you really think Michigan is that bad................beware of the injured wolf! :treehugger:

LOL, love your polite sarcasm W1:hyper: Funny thing is though, that you are closer to being correct when you are trying to be a wise-guy, than when you are being serious:wink: :wink:

warren1st

07-24-2006, 08:18 AM

Now Carle you can't put all the blame on E. Gordon. He was only there 8 years and Coop coached for 13 years. Ed Jennings, a cool guy whom I met, hired JC and William Kirwan followed Gee. I believe Kirwan was THE key person in Tressel getting the OSU job as he had remembered how impressed he and the University of Maryland AD had been when they interviewed JT for the job at Maryland.

Btw, do you know why Cooper got the OSU job? Simply (and stupidly) because he beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl a couple of months earlier!

Didn't you just answer your own question? It was the little dwarf in the bow tie that kept Coop around all those years. I think Coop went to his office everyday and tied his tie for him. In a cosummate show of appreciation Little Gee kept renewing his contract even though two schools from up north cost them two national championships. Ironic, Nick Saban was the coach at Michigan State when they beat the Buckeyes in '99, one of the two times that OSU was able to beat Michigan. I was at that game in Columbus.

Kamd50

07-24-2006, 10:43 AM

Ohhhhhhhh shoooot, funny post CarlE:laughing: W1, it's just that Ohio State is going to be "that" good!!!

GO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I was born in Northwest Ohio and even though I haven’t lived there for over a decade, I will always consider it my home. It is my love for the area that has caused me to bring the subject that I am about to discuss to the forefront. Northwest Ohio has given many great things to this country, mainly scales, Jamie Farr, corn and Ballreich’s potato chips. However, there is also a sad, sad, terrible contribution as well—Michigan fans.

Northwest Ohio Michigan fans are afflicted with a sickness known as “Michigan fanitis” or “M. fanitis” for short. M. fanitis has been around for decades, and even though it has been in decline in this century, we still have a long way to go to end this disease.................................

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FTG aka Keno definately suffers from this sympton:
"For instance, for some people, just the sound of Jim Tressel's voice, or the mention of Troy Smith's name can bring about seizures or bouts of wailing or even regurgitation.":rockon:

And W1st, please note the heading "humor" at the top of this article:laughing:

warren1st

07-24-2006, 10:58 AM

I did note the humor icon!!:laughing:

Thank God for NWOhio!!

Apparently Tony Gerdeman didn't have the grades or didn't realize the importance of a superior education or he would have sung a different tune.:heee:

Can football be far away??:rockon:

werperry

07-24-2006, 02:34 PM

Ah! He must have been kidding. UM is no longer even a mild threat in the B10. OSU should whomp them by 40-50 points November 19th IN Columbus.

:iagree:

werperry

07-24-2006, 02:40 PM

Thank God for NWOhio!!

seems to me that corner of Ohio is North America's version of Lebanon? ...and the meatchicken fans that "reside" there are Hezbollah.

npaflas

07-24-2006, 03:35 PM

If Ohio State defense can recover from the lost we should go all the way in the big ten. osu offense should be awsome. GO BUCKS:no3:

warren1st

07-24-2006, 04:19 PM

I agree Nick.

If Ohio State defense can recover from the lost we should go all the way in the big ten. osu offense should be awsome. GO BUCKS:no3:

chumly

07-24-2006, 06:28 PM

I don't think there's a defense in the Big Ten that has the speed to stop OSU's offense...
Michigan will give them a little trouble mainly because it's THE GAME (as far as college games go). But, IMO the only thing that stops OSU early in the season is getting in a track meet with someone (but who) and later a BCS quality, fast defense and good schemes that can give Smith trouble (and we are not speaking about the quality of defense ND put on the field in the Fiesta Bowl w/ receivers getting 20 yds beyond the cb's and a slow as your grandma safety).

I believe that Iowa will be the toughest Big Ten test but the The Buckeyes will win.

GrowlingTiger87

07-24-2006, 10:17 PM

I'm not getting involved, because just like McKinley fans were writing the Tigers off at one point, we came back pretty strong. These rivalries go in cycles. I'm not predicting ANYTHING 4 months before the game.

longtimefirsttime

07-24-2006, 10:21 PM

Who does this guy think he is putting that "other" team ahead of OSU?
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warren1st

07-25-2006, 07:19 AM

Michigan was 7-5 last year. That was their worst record since 1984. They have not had a losing season since 1967. They won the B10 Championship in 2003 and 2004.

Anyone who writes them off is simply wishful thinking. While those stats are about the past, doesn't history have a way of repeating itself? :wink:

MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp

07-25-2006, 10:47 AM

warren1st,

I can assure you that Michigan will be a better team than last year. Last year's game against Ohio State to me...as much as I want to say it was an aberration, I have to admit (albeit reluctantly) that the Buckeyes were just better and more conditioned for the fourth quarter than the Wolverines were.

However, I still dispute there was no way Anthony Gonzalez could have made that catch on his shoulder that set up Pittman's game-winning touchdown run in their 25-21 win.

Michigan has to win this year, otherwise it will get to the point where Carr will hit a point of ignominy that it might be hard for him to recover from.

MTown

07-25-2006, 12:33 PM

Come on, W1...you can't be happy with the way your program is going right now. I do think Michigan will be better than last year but they still have many, many questions. It seems to me that Michigan has lost it's identity. You could always count on them to have a stellar defense, ala '97. Well that is gone. You could also count on them to run the ball at any costs. Mike Hart is a good back but you really havn't seen those "Michigan Lines" of years past. It used to be that they had 2-3 NFL guys on the line each year. Even the passing game has suffered. Henne is good, but again, there used to be a top flight, NFL style passer every year. Not so much anymore.

There is a lot of negativity surrounding Michigan football right now and it's coming from your fan base. There are some alarming trends happening. Losing your road non-conference game...losing to Ohio State...losing the bowl game. If OSU beats you again, Michigan might reverse roles with Ohio State that existed during the Cooper years. You'll be thinking to yourself that you can't beat Ohio State even with superior teams.

I hate Michigan with every fiber of my soul. But I also respect them and understand that without Michigan there would be no Ohio State. Michigan needs to become Michigan again and quick, or else LLLLoyd will be gone and you guys might get that losing season that you dread.

warren1st

07-25-2006, 05:23 PM

I agree their D stinks the last couple of years. Their S&C is questioned by more than one NFL team.

However, Jim Herrmann is gone as DC thank goodness. My former doctor, an OSU alum, told me he always watched Michigan play because he was so impressed with their OL play. That has been sadly lacking the past few years.

UM in decline. I don't think so really. ND was in the doldrums for several years and now they are the darlings of college football again. However, if UM keeps losing to OSU and ND, both away games, it could hurt the program. Don't look for Lloyd to be fired as he has the NC in his back pocket and football isn't the only thing that UM is about.

Come on, W1...you can't be happy with the way your program is going right now. I do think Michigan will be better than last year but they still have many, many questions. It seems to me that Michigan has lost it's identity. You could always count on them to have a stellar defense, ala '97. Well that is gone. You could also count on them to run the ball at any costs. Mike Hart is a good back but you really havn't seen those "Michigan Lines" of years past. It used to be that they had 2-3 NFL guys on the line each year. Even the passing game has suffered. Henne is good, but again, there used to be a top flight, NFL style passer every year. Not so much anymore.

There is a lot of negativity surrounding Michigan football right now and it's coming from your fan base. There are some alarming trends happening. Losing your road non-conference game...losing to Ohio State...losing the bowl game. If OSU beats you again, Michigan might reverse roles with Ohio State that existed during the Cooper years. You'll be thinking to yourself that you can't beat Ohio State even with superior teams.

I hate Michigan with every fiber of my soul. But I also respect them and understand that without Michigan there would be no Ohio State. Michigan needs to become Michigan again and quick, or else LLLLoyd will be gone and you guys might get that losing season that you dread.

pigskinmccarthy

07-25-2006, 08:15 PM

I don't mean to get off topic but remeber last year? The sleeper team of the Big Ten ended up winning the Big Ten title. Penn State was the team nobody expected to be that good. Thus saying that I think Michigan State might finally get their heads out of their a$$ and have a defense that can help QB Drew Stanton win some ball games. Nick Saban went into the state job 11 years ago and rebuilt that program and now it needs rebuilt again. I think John L. Smith is not the right guy for this task.I mean honestly you can ask Hack the guy smiles too much. I think Michigan State needs to hire another coach and bring back some of the spartan pride.

Perry74

07-25-2006, 11:02 PM

The only thing that worries me slightly is the Bucks defense. Their offense will be great. As far as that team up north, I won't worry about them until mid November!

TigerBuckeye313

07-26-2006, 12:03 AM

THE Ohio State Buckeyes WILL smack M*ch*g*n AND win the Big 10.

It's a guarantee.

GrowlingTiger87

07-26-2006, 06:47 AM

THE Ohio State Buckeyes WILL smack M*ch*g*n AND win the Big 10.

It's a guarantee.

:ohplease:
Nice making guarantees over a month out before the season even starts. Go ahead, count MIchIgAn (putting the vowels in. I ONLY went to Stark State, and even I know how to spell it) out of it already.

I'm not guaranteeing it the other way, but then again, I'm not even concerned about that game yet. A lot can happen between now and then.

warren1st

07-26-2006, 07:01 AM

:ohplease:
Nice making guarantees over a month out before the season even starts. Go ahead, count MIchIgAn (putting the vowels in. I ONLY went to Stark State, and even I know how to spell it) out of it already.

I'm not guaranteeing it the other way, but then again, I'm not even concerned about that game yet. A lot can happen between now and then.

GT87 - You see he is only a child - OSU class of 2010. He will become wiser with time hopefully.

It was November 22, 1969
That they came to bury Michigan, all dressed in maize and blue.
The words were said, the prayers were read
And everybody cried.
But when they closed the coffin, there was someone else inside.
Oh, they came to bury Michigan, but Michigan wasn't dead.
And when the game was over it was someone else instead.
Eleven Michigan Wolverines put on the gloves of gray,
And as the organ played "The Victors", they layed Woody Hayes away.- Bob Ufer

GO BLUE!!

MTown

07-26-2006, 09:52 AM

W1...I'm not saying that the Michigan program is in decline, but it definitely is going through one of it's lower points. The problem, suprisingly, is in the recruiting. The 1st Michigan player selected in the NFL draft was Gabe Watson, who I believe went in the 3rd round. That is unheard of from UM. I believe the biggest reason for this is that they've been unable to develop a lot of the big Ohio recruits they've gotten and, more and more Ohio players are staying with OSU. Crable is the first guy who comes to mind. I think most people believe he would have made more of an impact to this point than he has.

This is in contrast to OSU where we've become a 1st round pick factory. For whatever reason, Ohio State is producing NFL players annually and kids are seeing that.

TigerCoach

07-26-2006, 10:11 AM

I don't think Michigan is in a decline either, but the Buckeyes have just dominated the recruiting over the last 5 years. That should pay off in another OSU victory in 2006! I see the Buckeyes being better than last year, mainly because of the maturation of Troy Smith, Ted Ginn, Antonio Pittman, Anthony Gonzalez and the addition of Chris Wells.

I'm just glad I'm not the defensive coordinator for the Wolverines! LOL!!

warren1st

07-26-2006, 04:45 PM

I was watching some tape today of a few of Bo's teams and Gary Moeller's. The staple Michigan trademarks were a great OL and strong defenses. Both have now become their weaknesses.

It will be interesting to see if the new OC and DC turn things around. If not Lloyd should probably move into the Athletic Department as, say, Assoc. AD.

We shall see. They have a wicked schedule. Penn St. has not beaten them in a decade but UM has to play there at night, and away games with ND and OSU.

I do like NOT being picked highly. I can't remember when UM has been picked by most so low. I really like that.........................

GrowlingTiger87

07-26-2006, 05:18 PM

I do like NOT being picked highly. I can't remember when UM has been picked by most so low. I really like that.........................

I agree with this statement. It seems like every year they are picked highly, they suffer an early season big loss which in turn ruins the rest of the season. Just like every other team I like, this program gives me lots of chewed fingernails and years off my life. :crap:

warren1st

07-26-2006, 08:23 PM

I agree with this statement. It seems like every year they are picked highly, they suffer an early season big loss which in turn ruins the rest of the season. Just like every other team I like, this program gives me lots of chewed fingernails and years off my life. :crap:

Isn't that the truth!! I liked the good ole days when it was the Big 2 and Little 8 and Bo would beat teams by 40-50 points.

UM in the past 10 years NEVER wins easy. And, how about the Indians (well at least Wicky is gone) and Browns when they do win. Warren Harding, as most of you know, won many a game when all seemed lost.

scottyotc

07-27-2006, 03:45 PM

seems to me that corner of Ohio is North America's version of Lebanon? ...and the meatchicken fans that "reside" there are Hezbollah.

good one:lol:

npaflas

07-27-2006, 07:52 PM

So did Ohio State beat up every body thru the big 8.

warren1st

07-29-2006, 04:04 PM

So did Ohio State beat up every body thru the big 8.
Yep, and then they played Michigan!!:argue:

pigskinmccarthy

08-07-2006, 03:33 PM

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Kamd50

08-07-2006, 05:26 PM

Ohio State 25, Michigan 21

A happy postgame meeting

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MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp

08-08-2006, 11:25 AM

Kamd50,

Enjoy that while you can my venerable poster because I'm telling you, the tide will be reversed.

CarlE

08-08-2006, 12:48 PM

You're right. It's unfortunate that it will be long after you have grown old, passed away, and there are little Keno's running around crying about it.

MTown

08-08-2006, 01:14 PM

You told us last year that the tide was turning....it didn't.

Keep telling us....eventually you will be right.

GrowlingTiger87

08-08-2006, 01:26 PM

It did for the Buckeyes. It will for Michigan, I can assure you.

CarlE

08-08-2006, 01:33 PM

It did for the Buckeyes. It will for Michigan, I can assure you.

Yep, but let's hope their not smart enough to figure out that it's Lloyd "my mother the" Carr that is the cause. In fact, sign him to a 10-year contract extension, PLEASE????

MTown

08-08-2006, 01:38 PM

Most of my smacktalk is not for you, GT87 or for W1. But if you would have heard how much woofin' that Keno was doing last year before and during the game, you would know exactly why I give him as much grief as I do. Most Ohio State and Michigan fans understand that neither program would be as good without the other. But there are certain factions of each fan base (and I personally believe that OSU has more) that get their rocks off by seeing the other one struggle, and will just needle and needle them all day long.

After hearing so much garbage from certain UM fans, especially during the Cooper years, nothing warms my heart like throwing it in the faces of those people. I can only imagine what some of those guys are thinking now. Ohio State has become everything they wish Michigan would be. This goes especially for the ones that were telling us how we were no longer their biggest rival. We had apparently been replaced by Notre Dame and Michigan St. That's fine, but now they have to get used to losing their final regular season game of the year. I'm sure that got old real quick.

GrowlingTiger87

08-08-2006, 01:39 PM

Yep, but let's hope their not smart enough to figure out that it's Lloyd "my mother the" Carr that is the cause. In fact, sign him to a 10-year contract extension, PLEASE????

I can assure you, the alumni will not let it go any further than this year if they were to lose to OSU again. Lloyd is on the hot seat, and sorry CarlE, there will be no 10 year extention.

DAWGH8R

08-08-2006, 03:15 PM

Carr has got to go, if they want to keep any $$ to keep coming in !!!

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longtimefirsttime

08-09-2006, 01:13 PM

Just a little Buckeyes note. Youngstown State will travel to open the 2007-2008 seasons.
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No surprise with Tressel's time spent there.

GrowlingTiger87

08-09-2006, 02:36 PM

Carr has got to go, if they want to keep any $$ to keep coming in !!!

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That's a very Christian thing to say. GEEZ, do we sometimes take this stuff too far?

Anyway, DH8, you are right on the money.

MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp

08-11-2006, 10:26 AM

Hey, at least OSU fans are devout Christians. Allow them that much.

longtimefirsttime

08-15-2006, 01:39 AM

Bucks fans rejoice! Carr says he's not going anywhere.
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npaflas

08-15-2006, 05:58 PM

If you live in OHIO and you are a michigan fan they still suck.

longtimefirsttime

08-16-2006, 03:56 PM

On newsstands now:
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And the cover available for purchase here.
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Al.

08-16-2006, 04:05 PM

Oh,No. The curse of being on Sports Illustrated cover. :wall:

longtimefirsttime

08-16-2006, 04:09 PM

Don't worry Al. I thought of that. It's just a regional cover. Several other teams in the Top 10 have covers too.

warren1st

08-17-2006, 01:22 AM

Carr has got to go, if they want to keep any $$ to keep coming in !!!

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A picture, as they say, is worth a 1000 words. I'd be real proud of that one if I was that minister. Sheesh.

Btw, Lloyd will stay as long as he wants. That is true. He also loves UM Football enough that he knows not to embarrass the program. People forget he has won the B10 championship 2 of the last 3 years. Further, if any of you knew him, I'm sure you wouldn't be spewing all the negative comments about him.

Yes, the worm has turned for the time being. Actually, it's kinda nice not to be rated so highly. I like being the underdog for a change.

Talk about a bulls eye. The Buckeyes sure have one on their backs this year. We shall see.............................GO BLUE!!

warren1st

08-17-2006, 01:34 AM

Carr has got to go, if they want to keep any $$ to keep coming in !!!

Trust me the money keeps and will continue to pour in. Ask anyone on the season ticket list how quickly they move up. 'Nuff said!:grinning:

GrowlingTiger87

08-17-2006, 06:18 AM

Trust me the money keeps and will continue to pour in. Ask anyone on the season ticket list how quickly they move up. 'Nuff said!:grinning:

Yeah, I actually think I might still be on it. The last I knew, there were at LEAST 9000 or more in front of me, and that was 3 years ago. I can't imagine much has changed since then.

GrowlingTiger87

08-17-2006, 06:20 AM

I agree W1st. Let them be over-confident. I've been saying all along since this thread began that OSU is the one's with the biggest bullseye on them, not UM. It is kinda nice playing the underdog role.

longtimefirsttime

08-17-2006, 09:43 AM

A picture, as they say, is worth a 1000 words. I'd be real proud of that one if I was that minister. Sheesh.

You may already know this, but that picture is from a character generator site. You can make the sign say whatever you want. I would imagine there would be an uproar if the sign actually said that. The closest real sign I've seen was a church sign in Massillon which read:
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GrowlingTiger87

08-17-2006, 11:56 AM

That was last year outside of First United Methodist Church (my church). It's better than putting, say,..."McKinley (or whoever) Sucks" on a church sign.

warren1st

08-17-2006, 12:12 PM

That was last year outside of First United Methodist Church (my church). It's better than putting, say,..."McKinley (or whoever) Sucks" on a church sign.

We Methodists know better!!

Kamd50

08-18-2006, 09:17 AM

Days since Michigan's last victory over Ohio State in football: 1000
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MTown

08-18-2006, 09:33 AM

That's 1000 days of knowing that you OWN Michigan.

MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp

08-18-2006, 09:38 AM

Kamd50,

You just won't stop, won't you? That last touchdown came at the expense of a fatigued Michigan defense (after Gonzalez's unlikely shoulder catch).

That's stranger than Massillon sophomore shooting guard Jared Porrini asking me at a Massillon basketball practice "Keno, do you ever get tired of wearing a suit and a tie :laughing: !

I don't get tired of wearing three-pieces BUT I am getting tired of that jovial, ardent, mighty, excellent, superb, powerful, attentive, tremendous, real, intense, calm, keen, terrific, radical, everlasting, snappy, succinct, eloquent, likable coach getting the best of coach Lloyd Carr!