Criminal charges in Perry/Central game?

[tucker]

I just saw a news story on Cleveland Channel 5 about an incident involving the Perry v Central Catholic basketball game this past weekend. A Central player allegedly punched Perry's star player when they went up for a rebound, causig massive eye damage to the Perry kid. Perry swears it was intentional; Central swears it was accidental. Perry has turned the game tape over to the Perry Polics and Stark Sheriff, with ointentions to press criminal charges. Channel 5 says the Central kid has been involved in similar incidents in the past.

I checked indeonline and read that the Perry coach vows never to play Central again.

What's going on? Anyone have more info?

[ChronicTiger]

Much about this on Yappi....

http://www.yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136653

[DAWGH8R]

Who cares abound Yappi !! Read it here !

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=13687&Category=2

[ChronicTiger]

Who cares abound Yappi !! Read it here !

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=13687&Category=2

I guess if you read the initial post you would find the poster already checked the inde site. Lots of additional info and insight on the yappi site. I think its a pretty good site....I guess im not a yappi basher like many here seem to be.
Whats up with that?

[DAWGH8R]

I leave the juvenile sites for my kids !!

[TigerDL71]

shouldn't this be in the general forum???


anyways i think that unless it was totally obvious that the player elbowed him on purpose then there is no way he should be able to press charges, its freaking basketball for crying out loud how often do you see players in the NBA wearing them face guards after suffering a broken nose? if charges are actually filed then we will see charges being filed in every sport

[DAWGH8R]

Totally agree. Charges could lie in the eye of the "tape holder". Doesn't help that is was against a Perry kid, in the Perry police jurisdiction. :ohno:

[TigerDL71]

http://www.woio.com/ on there you can view the game video

[DAWGH8R]

That's a tough one. I really don't believe it was anything more than over-aggressive play. I don't think the video show ill intentions.

[Seeker]

That's a tough one. I really don't believe it was anything more than over-aggressive play. I don't think the video show ill intentions.

I don't think you can conclude anything from that video.

Are there others that are being reviewed?

[Kamd50]

Tell me how you can "prove" that something like that was intentional??? First off, it wasn't a punch. I mean I feel sorry for the kid that got hurt and I am not a fan of either school, but I also think it was just overly aggressive play during a heated backyard rival. It certainly does not fall under the category of criminal. Whether the Central kid has gotten into trouble before or not is, or at least should be, irrelevant; especially since the trouble had nothing to do with this other particular kid.

TDL71 is right, start this and our schools will be spending more time and money in court than in the game. Thanks for the link 71.

[austinsm11]

Couldn't tell much from the video, but didn't really look like he was trying to punch him, imo.

[The Voice]

I smell charges alright.. but they shouldn't be launched against the cchs kid.. dicsrimination charges should be launched against channel 19 and the perry police chief for his comments about other issues with this kid that HAD NOTHING to do with this game..THAT IS DEFIMATION OF CHARACTER mr police chief.. shame on you sir.. as far as the video.. it looked like the cchs kid was just coming back down to his feet and connected with the perry kid..
thats basketball..

damn shame.. terrible mr police chief..:down:

tv

[TigerDL71]

I smell charges alright.. but they shouldn't be launched against the cchs kid.. dicsrimination charges should be launched against channel 19 and the perry police chief for his comments about other issues with this kid that HAD NOTHING to do with this game..THAT IS DEFIMATION OF CHARACTER mr police chief.. shame on you sir.. as far as the video.. it looked like the cchs kid was just coming back down to his feet and connected with the perry kid..
thats basketball..

damn shame.. terrible mr police chief..:down:

tv

i agree about the chief, he was bad mouthing that kid left and right with things that have nothing to deal with the incident at hand, to me it looks like Berry is trying to swat the ball out of Frease's hands

[GrowlingTiger87]

Come on Mr. Escola. Do the right thing. If any Perry fan or ANY fan can watch that over and over and actually see a punch, you must have some special kind of eyesight, becuase my eyes didn't see it. AND, kamd is right, just because the Central kid has been in trouble before should NOT play a factor in deciding this kids fate.

Is it just because of WHO he fouled? Is that why it's an issue? Give me a break. It wasn't dirty. It was a hard foul. If you can't handle a hard foul, then you shouldn't be playing the game.

[Banks]

Just how did this kid get two broken bones under his eye?

[PurpleArmy]

I leave the juvenile sites for my kids !!

I've been posting on Yappi since 2001 when the site started, and I don't think it's juvenile at all. There's a lot of info on there about a lot of different things: politics, current events, religious topics, school levies, movies and other types of entertainment, high school sports, college sports, professional level sports, and there are a lot of forums for individual schools as well.

Sure, there are some people who act childish over there, but there are posters on this site as well who behave the same way.

I just think that some Massillon fans don't like Yappi because not everyone is pro-Massillon like they are on here. That's understandable- but I wouldn't go so far as to say that the site is "juvenile".

[longtimefirsttime]

Tell me how you can "prove" that something like that was intentional??? First off, it wasn't a punch. I mean I feel sorry for the kid that got hurt and I am not a fan of either school, but I also think it was just overly aggressive play during a heated backyard rival. It certainly does not fall under the category of criminal. Whether the Central kid has gotten into trouble before or not is, or at least should be, irrelevant; especially since the trouble had nothing to do with this other particular kid.

TDL71 is right, start this and our schools will be spending more time and money in court than in the game. Thanks for the link 71.
:iagree: It's a horrible injury and I wish him a speedy recovery. But from the video provided, I see nothing criminal or intentional.

[PurpleArmy]

Just how did this kid get two broken bones under his eye?

Maybe an elbow hit him. I played bball in high school and one of my teammates received a fracture to the section of bone surrounding her eye socket that way.

[longtimefirsttime]

Frease is expected to make a full recovery.
http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=13716&Category=
(If link doesn't match try Inde archives for 2/6)

http://indeonline.com/photos/February2007/020507frease.jpg

[DAWGH8R]

I've been posting on Yappi since 2001 when the site started, and I don't think it's juvenile at all. There's a lot of info on there about a lot of different things: politics, current events, religious topics, school levies, movies and other types of entertainment, high school sports, college sports, professional level sports, and there are a lot of forums for individual schools as well.

Sure, there are some people who act childish over there, but there are posters on this site as well who behave the same way.

I just think that some Massillon fans don't like Yappi because not everyone is pro-Massillon like they are on here. That's understandable- but I wouldn't go so far as to say that the site is "juvenile".

I tried before to engage in football conversation at Yappi, ( a couple of seasons ago), and found it utterly impossible to have an intelligent debate for longer than one post. The Massillon hatred by the Hoover and McKinley posters ruins the entire experience. I soon learned that I was better off to erase that bookmark, and use my time for something more productive.:cool2:

I don't believe I ever posted in the "general", or other forums there, perhaps they aren't as bad.:doh2:

I leave LTFT and and CarlE to fight the Yappi battles !!

[pnthrfan]

It's a horrible injury and I wish him a speedy recovery.

LTFT.....It was nice of you to wish Kenny a speedy recovery. :smile:

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

Maybe an elbow hit him. I played bball in high school and one of my teammates received a fracture to the section of bone surrounding her eye socket that way.

That explains alot.:doh:

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

Could it be all the hype surrounding Kenny Frease? I guess we'll know soon enough. Isn't it funny to hear Perry say they'll never play Central again? Aren't they supposed to be a "private" school, how'd this kid get in? Paid tuition..let me guess he plays football, wrestles, and plays basketball.???/

[TigerCoach]

I've seen the tape and also talked to the game officials. My opinion is that although Cory Berry has a reputation as a "thug" on the basketball court (and this started last season, it's nothing new), this play was an unfortunate accident that happened during the game. I feel bad for Kenny Frease, he is a very nice, respectful kid with a bright future. Unfortunately, in any sporting event, things like this can happen. Cory Berry plays like that all the time, but he is penalized under the rules of basketball, not under the law. Just before the contact with Kenny, he threw another player to the floor. Hell, that was where the foul should be called, he does that all the time. When I played, we had a different way to handle guys like that. I blame Coach Finefrock for allowing him to play like that.

I wish Kenny Frease the best in his recovery and his future.

[PurpleArmy]

That explains alot.:doh:

Meaning what?

[PurpleArmy]

I tried before to engage in football conversation at Yappi, ( a couple of seasons ago), and found it utterly impossible to have an intelligent debate for longer than one post. The Massillon hatred by the Hoover and McKinley posters ruins the entire experience. I soon learned that I was better off to erase that bookmark, and use my time for something more productive.:cool2:

I don't believe I ever posted in the "general", or other forums there, perhaps they aren't as bad.:doh2:

I leave LTFT and and CarlE to fight the Yappi battles !!

I agree with you that there used to be a lot of arguments between the Massillon plsters and the people from Hoover and McK. Although, that has cooled down a lot since a few years ago. Plus, a lot of that talk was from a certain few posters who are not really on the site very often anymore.

[monte81]

I couldn't tell if it was intentional or not. I got 7 stitches in my lip and 4 in my forehead from a knee playing basketball in the lane--you mean I could of had a criminal or civil lawsuit!!!!!:wall: I should of been smarter and not so physical!!!

Berry should of received an intentional foul for the throw down but the elbow seemed accidental and should be dismissed--the news should be ashamed to even suggest that something like that happened without all the facts!! that's why we have dumb lawsuits popping up everyday for no reason at all!

[Kamd50]

You make two very good points, TigerCoach. The kid should have been fouled previously and, if this is his regular style of playing, Central's coach should be held responsible for not getting this under control. And I am not talking about the elbow because I have seen this repeatedly on television last night and today and still do not believe it was intentional. The police chief's comments are inexcusable and very unprofessional. Sounds like he has a personal ax to grind or something. When have you ever heard any police officer speak of someone's reputation, a kid no less, like that on a television interview? Nevermind that there haven't even been any charges filed or a guilty verdict handed down! It is unheard of! Shame on him indeed.

Also, I personally do not recall anything out of control or flagrant from this particular kid when we played Central, although it was a very heated game as well. Does anyone else who attended have anything to the contrary to add?

Regarding your question TLFA.......if I understand it correctly, you are implying that since Central is private somehow means Cory could not have/ or should not have been able to attend there????? Idk, I am asking, is that what you meant? Anyone that can afford it can go to Central and there are children of color and other ethnic backgrounds other than white that do attend. Also, race is not an indicator of someone's financial status. Not to mention, if you want to send your kid there and cannot afford it, they do offer a work program that both students and parents can participate in in order to pay the tuition.

[OTC TIGER]

I get the feeling if this was a team from somewhere other than Stark Co.
and that XYZ player commited the foul,it would simply be that Frease was hurt bad in the game. :scratchchin:

[TigerCoach]

Also, I personally do not recall anything out of control or flagrant from this particular kid when we played Central, although it was a very heated game as well. Does anyone else who attended have anything to the contrary to add?


I've had Central's game earlier this year against Canton South and also had them twice last year, against Massillon and Bedford Chanel. He has played like that his entire high school career and has been called for many fouls. Sometimes, fans don't pick up on little things that happen during and within the game, but officials do. During time-outs and in between quarters, we're not just discussing who is the hottest girl in the stands (well, that's another story!), we're usually discussing things to watch out for. Cory Berry has always been a topic of discussion in our conversations.

[JazzyJeff]

Could it be all the hype surrounding Kenny Frease? I guess we'll know soon enough. Isn't it funny to hear Perry say they'll never play Central again? Aren't they supposed to be a "private" school, how'd this kid get in? Paid tuition..let me guess he plays football, wrestles, and plays basketball.???/

That was quite the bigoted statement. Congrats.

[Kamd50]

between quarters, we're not just discussing who is the hottest girl in the stands.... in our conversations.

LIAR!:tonguewave: Quit trying to sound all profesional ! hahaha!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

I tried before to engage in football conversation at Yappi, ( a couple of seasons ago), and found it utterly impossible to have an intelligent debate for longer than one post. The Massillon hatred by the Hoover and McKinley posters ruins the entire experience. I soon learned that I was better off to erase that bookmark, and use my time for something more productive.:cool2:

I don't believe I ever posted in the "general", or other forums there, perhaps they aren't as bad.:doh2:

I leave LTFT and and CarlE to fight the Yappi battles !!

DAWGH8R,

I don't spend too much time at Yappi since resigning as a writer but I do read the threads. For whatever reason, I think the site is starting to get dominated by radicals who are becoming more and more like politicians. It's to the point where I wish someone would just go off Bill O'Reilly style on some of those arrogant, silly, stupefied, freakish, aggressive, crazed, egotistical, demeaning radicals.

I haven't read the Perry/Central game thread. I've seen the tape. I have a pit feeling that I know how it's going to turn out.........

[Indiana95]

That was quite the bigoted statement. Congrats.

This isn't a first. I've noticed similar remarks in previous posts. Its too bad.

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

You all caught me- I am a racist- Phone the REP....man- you guys are must have my house bugged- or seen that video of me shotting illegals as they crossed the border.
I didn't see the tape.
I was just commenting on how MOST CCHS atletes are not problems- I didn't care if the kid was yellow, purple, green, white or black- just that he has been in several altercations both on and off the court and is representing a school that is not used to behavior like that. Nor do they condone it. I can tell you that if I WAS PAYING TUITION FOR MY KID to attend Central they wouldn't be pi$$ing my money away by behaving this way.

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

Indiana- then scroll past my comments. Better.:notlistening:

[GrowlingTiger87]

Well TLFA, you are in Minerva, right? (just kidding) :wink:

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

Sorry took me so long to respond...I was drying my white robe...going out for some mid-week fun tonight,:heee:
As for the the incident- since my racial profiling is off topic..and bound to start something that we shouldn't discuss....look at this link in regards to this kid- it sounds like he knew it was coming- got an attorney and all. And spectators are saying that he purposely did this- like sought Kenny Frease out and balled a fist and just popped him one.
And the damage down to this kid is unbelievable for an elbow- a broken eye socket---come on my mom fell face first about 5 feet down onto concrete and did not break her nose- now she cracked her skull..and damaged her faceplate but now this sounds intentional....and sounds like charges will be filed.

Duh- here's the link...
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/16632679.htm


SORRY!

[longtimefirsttime]

I have read a few articles about the possible legal action. But has the school taken any action? Or are they waiting for the legal process to take its course before making a decision?

[giant lugey]

Does anyone know if the refs called a foul on the play?

[The Butler]

A foul was called prior to the incident.

[MTown]

I watched the video several times and I don't see why Toth is pushing for charges. He's publicly stated time and again that in his mind it was totally intentional. I don't see how he get's that from the video. It was a very physical play and definitely a foul. But I don't even see a cheap shot, let alone something that would cause charges to be filed.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

MTown,

Maybe Toth sees something that we don't. Let's not forget this is the same Berry that faced charges involving a St. Thomas Aquinas student. It all will come into play sooner or later.

Coaches see things we don't.

[MTown]

MTown,

Maybe Toth sees something that we don't. Let's not forget this is the same Berry that faced charges involving a St. Thomas Aquinas student. It all will come into play sooner or later.

Coaches see things we don't.

How can he see something we don't? He stated that he looked at video and determined there was intent. I looked AT THE SAME VIDEO. It's on the ABJ website. Unless he saw the original play FROM THE OPPOSITE END OF THE COURT there is no way he can make that determination.

The incident at Aquinas does not mean that there was intent to injure. I'm not standing up for the kid, and it's unfortunate what happened to Frease, but pressing charges for THAT is over the top.

If there were no charges for the Carmelo Anthony punch which came in the middle of a fight, how can you press charges for actual game action?

[CarlE]

If there were no charges for the Carmelo Anthony punch which came in the middle of a fight, how can you press charges for actual game action?

If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck.....Too much of this following this thug around, in my opinion.

Carmelo Anthony punch??? Bro, that punch couldn't have hurt my 10 year old girl. It's hard to prosecute a wussy throwing a punch when he's running the other way while he's delivering it!!

[CarlE]

OK, I just watched the video for the first time. In my expert opinion (expert because it's mine) this was NOT intentional. He had no time to react and take aim at the guy's face while he was going up. It looks like he was swatting at the ball.

However, why isn't anyone mentioning the fact that he takes the other Central player and mauls him to the ground on his way to go for the rebound? This kid is a thug and somebody should target him for a good, old-fashioned Massillon a$$-whipping.

[ChronicTiger]

talking about it on 850am right now........you can listen on the net.......at WKNR website.....

[TigerLily]

Did anyone else see the piece on Fox & Friends this morning about this?

They showed a clip from the game and Kenny’s face.

Brian Kilmeade said it looked like poor sportsmanship -- (not that he would really know).

[JazzyJeff]

You all caught me- I am a racist- Phone the REP....man- you guys are must have my house bugged- or seen that video of me shotting illegals as they crossed the border.
I didn't see the tape.
I was just commenting on how MOST CCHS atletes are not problems- I didn't care if the kid was yellow, purple, green, white or black- just that he has been in several altercations both on and off the court and is representing a school that is not used to behavior like that. Nor do they condone it. I can tell you that if I WAS PAYING TUITION FOR MY KID to attend Central they wouldn't be pi$$ing my money away by behaving this way.

Blah, blah, blah. Let's look at this point by point.

1. You questioned "how did he get in?" Why would one assume that the student in question could not get in? Because its a Catholic school or some other reason?

2. Next you threw it out there that his tuition must have been paid. Why? What would be the reason why you would assume this student could not or did not pay tuition?

Looking at it this way, it's pretty obvious what you are trying to say, although, you may not be smart enough to realize it.

[tucker]

Does anyone know what this young man's home school district is?

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

yeah I guess those 8 years and 2 degrees I have (btw- that I PAID FOR) aren't really anything to hold to my standard of learning. :zzz:
And the play by play of this incident was on newsnet5 and it does look intentional...you could see him shove Kenny, then ball a fist and sock 'em. I don't know whether Toth is doing the investigating because of public scrutiny or what but he is going forward with this one.
Remember the charges will not be filed unless the Prosecutors office feels there is enough evidence to file charges.

[ChronicTiger]

Are there two videos going around?

One set of people say that is is obvious it was intentional, the other set says its obvious that it was an accident.....

This is actually getting ridiculous.......

On 850 Brenda thought it looked like an accident and said if you dont want to get hurt dont play sports.....


I have no opinion on the matter.........

[The Voice]

There is no athletic favoristism at CCHS.. never has been.. they get what they get and work with what they got.. EDUCATION IS THERE PRIORITY.. their history proves this.. Berry has anger management issues.. Finefrock should have had a tighter control on the kid..HOWEVER.. if you make this a regular game against two regular teams with no outstanding stars, or no back yard rivalry.. chances are it would be viewed as it should.. a very misfortunate collision with emotion on both sides.. it happens in college and the pro's everyday.. I stand by my earlier statement.. the circus going on around this game is becoming more of an issue than the event itself(as sad as it was).. Perry's police chief was WAY outta line and the initial broadcasts from channel 19 were sensationalistic.. Mr. police chief and 19 news should watch out , or they will be the ones up on defimation of character charges.

tv

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

I just watched the video from the link on here- 19 action news I think- It does not look intentional. I think he fouled the kid before he went up for the rebound..looks like he swatted for the ball in the air, then smacked Kenny Frease unintentionally.
I don't know how any prosecutor would bring this to a jury.
The clips from newsnet5 looked alot more violent and they stopped the frames at just the right time.
It looks like it was an accident-
but will Toth let go?

[JazzyJeff]

yeah I guess those 8 years and 2 degrees I have (btw- that I PAID FOR) aren't really anything to hold to my standard of learning. :zzz:

Because we all know, degrees prevent people from being bigots.

You should send back the sheepskins if you can't follow or answer my posts, as they are really quite simple to follow.

Good luck. I'll start the timer.

[giant lugey]

I think Toth shot from the hip right after the game in alleging the contact was intentional. I think his emotions got the better of him and now he will look stupid if he changes his opinion, so he's sticking with it.
I like the way Finefrock handled the situation. He took the time to review the tape and then made up his mind. Of course, it wasn't his star player on the way to the hospital.
If Berry was a junior he'd probably be transferring to Mckinley, just like Tabron.

[Kamd50]

There are additional videos made available today from Finefrock in this Inde article:


Central coach defends Berry
By GREG KOHNTOPP

Until Tuesday, Central Catholic head basketball coach Kevin Finefrock had been mum on Saturday’s incident, in which the Crusaders’ star guard Cory Berry struck 7-foot Perry center Kenny Frease, causing two broken bones in Frease’s face.................................

http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=13724&Category=

ditto on everything you said in your last post Voice.

[TigerLily]

I remember when my brother was in Jr. High and he came home with a “shiner” after a basketball game.

But, way back when people’s first instinct was not to cry foul and go running to a lawyer to sue. Just took it and went on.

They have to be very careful here in making a judgement and setting a precedent.

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

I got a shiner and a broken nose in 8th grade playing against Canton South. I didn't have an attorney or a shot at the pros though....:sad2:

[tubaswinger99]

Newlon said Berry's actions Saturday "were absolutely and unquestionably in the bounds of good sportsmanship." Newlon is upset that Berry was verbally abused by Perry adult fans that night and has since received threats of violence.-Canton Suppository

I didn't think the citizens of Perry did such terrible evils, or is that just what they say when they're on the other side?

[Perry74]

I remember a Massillon QB who received death threats for throwing 3 interceptions in a McKinley game, so EVERY community has idiots.

I would love to see the reaction had this been one of your players in a game against McKinley, Warren or Perry.

Emotions run deep anytime something like this happens. The fans of the victim will naturally have more to say than those of the accused. It's unfortunate that anything like this would happen to any athlete no matter where he or she is a student. Some are convinced it was on purpose and most of those folks won't change their minds and others will think it was an accident, whose opinions will be just as difficult to change. I for one, hope Kenny Frease will be OK and gets to play ball again. Just think how he must feel as an athlete, one from Perry or not, who had sat out 8 weeks with an injury and now 4 games back, just starting to get comfortable again, has this happen to him. Put aside all the talk about on purpose or not, whether you hate Perry or not. This young man's career could have been and still could be on the line. Imagine is this was your son or daughter.

[CarlE]

I got a shiner and a broken nose in 8th grade playing against Canton South. I didn't have an attorney or a shot at the pros though....:sad2:

That's why you should only ever be with one guy at a TIME!!! LOL!

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

playing basketball- you twit...besides back then in the 8th grade wasn't like being in the 8th grade is now...I didn't even like boys (or girls you perv) I still played barbies...:wall:

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

And the threats of violence against a kid is silly...regardless if it was intentional or not- two wrongs don't make a right---

[Kamd50]

Perry 74, you say "I for one hope Kenny gets better,etc..." Well, we all do! No one has said one negative thing about him or wished him ill-will of any kind. No one has even expressed any hatred towards Perry in this thread that I am aware of. The issue that is being discussed is whether the act was deliberate with the intention of causing physical harm. And whether it should be a legal matter. I am sure that everyone feels for Kenny and wishes him nothing but the best with his recovery and his future. He has been discussed here on MP before with nothing but respect and admiration by many posters.

[GrowlingTiger87]

Because we all know, degrees prevent people from being bigots.

You should send back the sheepskins if you can't follow or answer my posts, as they are really quite simple to follow.

Good luck. I'll start the timer.

I think you alleging that TLFA is a bigot is a pretty low blow buddy. It's nice to see that God took the day off and made you the judge of humanity. It's a real harsh, irrational statement for you to have made about someone you don't know. :thumbsdown:

[BUCKEYE1]

Does anyone know what this young man's home school district is?I believe he is from the Fairless School District but I may be wrong.

[Obie Wan]

There is no athletic favoristism at CCHS.. never has been.. they get what they get and work with what they got..
Not quite right on that one, TV.

[Perry74]

Kamd50, glad to hear that and I didn't say everyone was against him, just making my point that beyond guilt or innocence, beyond who he plays for it's a sad thing. I'm glad you concur.

This type of thing hits home with me all these years later as I had several unfortunate injuries, a concussion my junior year, then tearing all the tendons and ligaments in my ankle a few weeks later, then my senior year getting my knee tore up, which kept me from playing in any games until about week 6. Those things really were frustrating so I can relate to what the young man is going through.

[Kamd50]

Understood Perry74:thumbsup: It is always unfortunate and a very frightening thing when a young man or lady sustains injuries that could be life altering while participating what for the majority of us, is just a pasttime or form of entertainment. It is just too bad that it is one of the risks you take when your child chooses or the parents consent to allowing their child to participate in sports in such a competitive and often unfriendly environment these days.

[TigerLily]

Perry 74, you say "I for one hope Kenny gets better,etc..." Well, we all do! No one has said one negative thing about him or wished him ill-will of any kind. No one has even expressed any hatred towards Perry in this thread that I am aware of. The issue that is being discussed is whether the act was deliberate with the intention of causing physical harm. And whether it should be a legal matter. I am sure that everyone feels for Kenny and wishes him nothing but the best with his recovery and his future. He has been discussed here on MP before with nothing but respect and admiration by many posters.


Yes, one thing is very clear in all of this. We are praying for Kenny’s speedy and total recovery.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

A few pointers:

1. CarlE...Carmelo Kiyan Anthony is a wuss and you are so right. If he plays in the All-Star Game...I'll be peeved.

2. Kenny Frease is an excellent basketball player and an outstanding performer in the classroom. What happened should not have happened and along with others...I too am praying and hoping for the well-being of Frease. It would be sad to have a promising career end prematurely because of this injury.

[CarlE]

A few pointers:

2. Perry74...every community has idiots. That's a strong statement but the closest fanbase to not having any idiots are Massillon fans. They're the closest to a perfect fanbase far and away...and that's not taking away from other fanbases in Stark County.



Could be the most ludicrous statement in the history of MP.com. Quite frankly, I'm EMBARRASSED at some of our fan base. And unfortunately, that percentage seems to grow every year. I remember one year at the Rubber Bowl after we got beat by hmmm, memory escapes me a Massillon fan actually KICKED another Massillon fan right in the chin. Yeah, they're perfect all right, Keno.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

CarlE,

The actions of others should not define an entire fanbase. There is one incident that happened seven years ago involving Massillon fans (and I won't discuss it on here out of respect for others). But even though it was a mess afterwards, that doesn't diminish the respect I have for Massillon fans.

By the way: you say that is the most ludicrous statement in the history of MP.com. The best factual statement in the history of MP.com: "Classless post. To wish injury on someone because they beat your team is the sign of a punk. You should be banned for that post." That post by you CarlE!!!!!!!!

Priceless!

[MTown]

2. Perry74...every community has idiots. That's a strong statement but the closest fanbase to not having any idiots are Massillon fans. They're the closest to a perfect fanbase far and away...and that's not taking away from other fanbases in Stark County.




Keno, we take football WAYYYY too seriously for that statement to be true. Thank you for blowing sunshine, but that's really stretching it.

[MTown]

There is one incident that happened seven years ago involving Massillon fans (and I won't discuss it on here out of respect for others).



What incident was it? Spill it!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

MTown,

You and CarlE just put a KO by 1 on my ledger. The incident seven years ago was the ending of the Tigers-Marion Harding playoff game, that ended in total chaos following a 17-13 Presidents win.

It's something I don't like to discuss on here because it has no place in high school athletics and it isn't what Massillon is all about.

I really pinned myself in a corner and paid for it...this time, I got it real good :crap: .

[TigerDL71]

Could be the most ludicrous statement in the history of MP.com. Quite frankly, I'm EMBARRASSED at some of our fan base. And unfortunately, that percentage seems to grow every year. I remember one year at the Rubber Bowl after we got beat by hmmm, memory escapes me a Massillon fan actually KICKED another Massillon fan right in the chin. Yeah, they're perfect all right, Keno.

after the warren game at the rubber bowl as we were going to the lockerroom someone got in shepas face and said he was going to kick his @**

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

I am not worried about his opinion. I answer to 2 men.... one is my husband, the other I will see one day to confess my sins to.

[The Butler]

Police Chief Tim Escola said today that Massillon City Prosecutor John Simpson has declined to press charges against Cory Berry.
Escola said the decision follows a review of game tape and interviews with witnesses.
There’s “not enough there to support a criminal charge,” he said.


http://www.cantonrep.com/printable.php?ID=335041

[CarlE]

Police Chief Tim Escola said today that Massillon City Prosecutor John Simpson has declined to press charges against Cory Berry.
Escola said the decision follows a review of game tape and interviews with witnesses.
There’s “not enough there to support a criminal charge,” he said.


http://www.cantonrep.com/printable.php?ID=335041

That John always WAS a smart young man. I just do not see how the tape that I saw could lead to any different conclusion. I watched the dang thing at least ten times and never saw anything that would warrant criminal charges.

[werperry]

i just dont see it. i love perry...and coach toth is great... but, no way, no how was that single act criminal.

that being said.... Cory Berry is troubled. ...although coach toth performed a R E A C H with the criminal charges... i CAN see how he and the coaching staff could perceive this incident as intentional. understand their perspective and insight of being totally and completely involved in the game.

someone mentioned it before... when you are on the sidelines... you see more, you know more than the average fan watching the game. you think the average fan knows: how many hard hits kenny took on his recently healed wrist? how many times did he come out to check his wrist? did the fans know the refs at halftime were asked to watch the underneath contact?

what i'm stunned about is how frinefrock is getting very little direct blame. how the hell do you continue to let Cory Berry continue taunting the opposing fans, players -- INCLUDING THE ONE INJURED... during an injury timeout, which he caused....!?! Berry's history prior to this incident AND his immediate reaction following.... has earned him a reputation as a thug/criminal. the kid has a lot of growing up to do... and he has no one to blame but himself.

central and frinefrock needed to have him on a short leash... and they did not. now they have ANOTHER embarrassing situation on their hands.

Go Perry

Born To Run

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

I have thought Finefrock was not a "mature" enough individual to be a high school coach for some time. His unprofessionalism and his lack of concern regarding this loose cannon on his team is scary-you are right they both need reeled in.

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

I smell lawsuit- for personal injuries...not criminal.
http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=9&ID=334964&r=9&subCategoryID=

[Perry74]

Word on the street is the Frease family has retained Lee Plakas. If anyone will pursue this he will.

[CATS44]

I have to be honest.

Taking just the incident in question into account...not previous behavior nor anything that happened while time was out...I dont think the kid did anything wrong, and IMO Finefrock has a duty to defend him for that play.

Berry comes down the lane to get in position for a possible rebound. He throws a Perry player out of the way, an obvious foul that was called, but part of the give and take normally seen under the basket. He looks up for the ball, turns to his left and swipes at it with his head still up....and clobbers Frease. All this happens very quickly, certainly too quickly to do much more than react.

Had the first foul not been called, Berry would have been called for the one on Frease, but it wouldnt have even been called an intentional foul.

If coaches didnt play kids that play basketball as if it was football, a lot of players who have played for both Massillon and Perry would never have been allowed on a basketball court.

IMO it is an unfortunate incident, followed up by some unfortunate bad sportsmanship on both sides...but thats all it was, an incident, not a crime.

Now, for a moment lets assume that my opinion is correct.

We now have a coach and a newspaper and internet posters who have convicted the Berry kid wrongly....which gives us two teenagers with injuries. The physical one is more likely to heal than the other.

[ChronicTiger]

If coaches didnt play kids that play basketball as if it was football, a lot of players who have played for both Massillon and Perry would never have been allowed on a basketball court.



Not sure what Massillon kids have to do with this. Also, I dont think any Massillon kids fall into this category.

:thumbsdown:

[werperry]

I have to be honest.

Taking just the incident in question into account...not previous behavior nor anything that happened while time was out...I dont think the kid did anything wrong, and IMO Finefrock has a duty to defend him for that play.

The physical one is more likely to heal than the other.

:puke: wow... how you can ignore this kids previous actions... and his reaction and taunting of frease and the perry fans is really unbelieveable.

...what really makes me :puke: is this notion of Berry's emotional feelings not healing...

[The Voice]

I; too agree that this was an unfortunate incident.. Yes.. Berry has problems.. yes.. he has a big mouth, and yes; Finefrock should have tied em up and sat em down..thats it.. nothing else.. to Freases Parents; I really don't feel an attorney would actually want anything to do with this case..
to Berry's parents; or CCHS.. I would file libel charges against the Perry police chief and Channel 19 news..

tv

[xtiger]

I really don't feel an attorney would actually want anything to do with this case..
tv

Lee Plakas is representing the Frease family. And He will go after someone(cchs/Berry) for damages, mark my word.

[xtiger]

I really don't feel an attorney would actually want anything to do with this case..
tv

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=9&ID=334964&r=9&subCategoryID=

[SuperBran]

Lee Plakas is representing the Frease family. And He will go after someone(cchs/Berry) for damages, mark my word.

if he's going to bring a civil suit, well, good luck with that. he's going to have to be one heck of an attorney to win that one.

[xtiger]

if he's going to bring a civil suit, well, good luck with that. he's going to have to be one heck of an attorney to win that one.

Lee is an exceptional Attorney, but have to agree with you on that.

[OTC TIGER]

after the warren game at the rubber bowl as we were going to the lockerroom someone got in shepas face and said he was going to kick his @**

I'll take Shep to win...:ohno:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Seems like that's a win for Central Catholic and a loss for Perry. It's something that should not have happened.

Hopefully both schools can move on.

[TigerBob75]

Now that it was found that it wasn't intentional, Cory should first go and apologize to Kenny because of what happened, then he and his lawyer should go after every one that Publicly dogged on him, ragged on his character and put him down, to Publicly apologize the same way. From Toth, to all those sorry TV people. All Of Them. My prayers go out to Kenny hopping that he makes a full recovery.

[pigskinmccarthy]

If I was the Berry kid I wouldnt apologize. They made him into a villian in the newspaper this past week, and basically the whole world is against him. Also why apologize for something that isnt intentional??? If your goin to play sports you gotta expect to get hurt here and there. I hope Frease does recover quick because he's a great athlete that I didnt get to see play all year and I hope he has a monster senior season next year.

[longtimefirsttime]

In his latest column, TP says he's a distant realtive to Frease.
http://cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=335546&Category=17&fromSearch=yes&subCategoryID=0

"In the interest of full disclosure, Frease is a second cousin whom I met for the first time after Perry lost to Massillon (my high school alma mater) at last year's sectional district. I've been in more social settings with some Central Catholic coaches than I have with the Frease family in 34 1/2 years.

With that being said, if the roles of last weekend's incident had been reversed, it's only natural to hold those you know to a higher standard. That tends to be my approach - some former Massillon coaches can attest to that."

(The usual TP disclaimer applies, although he might be right on this one. :wink: )

[pigskinmccarthy]

In his latest column, TP says he's a distant realtive to Frease.
http://cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=335546&Category=17&fromSearch=yes&subCategoryID=0

"In the interest of full disclosure, Frease is a second cousin whom I met for the first time after Perry lost to Massillon (my high school alma mater) at last year's sectional district. I've been in more social settings with some Central Catholic coaches than I have with the Frease family in 34 1/2 years.

With that being said, if the roles of last weekend's incident had been reversed, it's only natural to hold those you know to a higher standard. That tends to be my approach - some former Massillon coaches can attest to that."

(The usual TP disclaimer applies, although he might be right on this one. :wink: )


Have I ever said before that Todd Porter should go curl up in a hole somewhere???