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marlow

07-23-2006, 09:32 AM

It is important to note that many of us who denounce this waterhead president are NOT affiliated w/ either of the two corrupt parties that control our government. I am an American that is frustrated and embarrassed by a foreign policy that has weakened our position in world affairs and a domestic policy that is non-existent.

Too many of us are quick to grasp at labels like D or R to understand those that disagree w/ us.

Anyways, nice to see the gang's all here.

warren1st

07-23-2006, 10:12 AM

Yes, and I couldn't be more proud of our president.

Kamd50

07-23-2006, 10:35 AM

I am glad that someone has the intelligence to point that out marlow, good post marlow:iagree: :usflag:

Seeker

07-23-2006, 12:11 PM

There will be... I haven't got to it yet...

Please get busy.
After all, what are we paying you for?
:poke:

warren1st

07-23-2006, 12:17 PM

What is it exactly that you don't like about our foreign policy? Do you think we should "negotiate" more with terrorists and terrorist states?

Btw, I don't think you will find to many Republicans calling our president a "waterhead."

It is important to note that many of us who denounce this waterhead president are NOT affiliated w/ either of the two corrupt parties that control our government. I am an American that is frustrated and embarrassed by a foreign policy that has weakened our position in world affairs and a domestic policy that is non-existent.

Too many of us are quick to grasp at labels like D or R to understand those that disagree w/ us.

Anyways, nice to see the gang's all here.

pnthrfan

07-23-2006, 01:37 PM

What is it exactly that you don't like about our foreign policy? Do you think we should "negotiate" more with terrorists and terrorist states?

Are we not "negotiating with Iran and North Korea? The longer we "talk" with these countries, the more bombs and missiles they build, which makes us more vulnerable .

I have a question though.......what good do you think is going to come with sending Condoleeza Rice over to Israel? Are they and Hezbolla and the Lebanese going to say...Uh Ohhh....Here's Condi...we better quit now?

We are at war with Iraq, without a strategy on how to defeat the insurgency over there. There is more and more sectarian violence happeniing each and every day. Oh, but they are a democracy...atleast that's what Bush said at the G8 summit.

Here is the exchange between Bush and Putin:

Bush: "I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world, like Iraq where there's a free press and free religion, and I told him that a lot of people in our country would hope that Russia would do the same," Bush said.

Putin: To that, Putin replied, "We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy that they have in Iraq, quite honestly." To which the whole room erupted in laughter.

Right there is our froeign policy...a joke. Here we are, telling a leader of another country to base his Democracy on Iraq? A country that is in chaos. I don't know about you, but I certainly wouldn't want to live there? Would you?

CarlE

07-23-2006, 02:05 PM

You're right. Why should Russia have a free press and free religion like they have in Iraq. That is what the President was talking about. I love how you people take him out of context to express your views. Of course you're in good company with the former head of the KGB.

warren1st

07-23-2006, 02:17 PM

I don't think any good will come out of Condi's visit and neither does she nor the president. However, to keep the world pacifists happy, she must make a trip over there.

Putin - Don't ever think that Russia and China aren't are two biggest enemies. Always have been and always will. Who do you think supplies N. Korea and Iran with with much of their nuclear capabilities? You may think he's funny; I don't.

Yes, Iraq is a fledging democracy. If you study history, you will see that both Germany and Japan had a lot of bumps in the road until they became a smooth running democracy. I would like to know what wise strategy you or the Democrats have for defeating the insurgency. I will eagerly await that answer.

The bottom line is we have NOT BEEN ATTACKED ON AMERICAN SOIL SINCE 9/11.

We are in a war (WW111) against an enemy that the world has never seen before. It will not end in anyone's life sadly. I would rather have a hawkish president than one who wants to "negotiate." Frankly, I think the Bush administration has done a pretty darn good job.

I have a question though.......what good do you think is going to come with sending Condoleeza Rice over to Israel? Are they and Hezbolla and the Lebanese going to say...Uh Ohhh....Here's Condi...we better quit now?

We are at war with Iraq, without a strategy on how to defeat the insurgency over there. There is more and more sectarian violence happeniing each and every day. Oh, but they are a democracy...atleast that's what Bush said at the G8 summit.

Here is the exchange between Bush and Putin:

Bush: "I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world, like Iraq where there's a free press and free religion, and I told him that a lot of people in our country would hope that Russia would do the same," Bush said.

Putin: To that, Putin replied, "We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy that they have in Iraq, quite honestly." To which the whole room erupted in laughter.

Right there is our froeign policy...a joke. Here we are, telling a leader of another country to base his Democracy on Iraq? A country that is in chaos. I don't know about you, but I certainly wouldn't want to live there? Would you?

GrowlingTiger87

07-23-2006, 04:47 PM

My problems with politics and the constant left/right arguments are that BOTH sides are guilty of politicizing almost EVERYTHING, and quite frankly, it SUCKS! Why can't things just be about right and wrong instead of right and left?

Aren't we supposed to be AMERICAN'S first?

werperry

07-23-2006, 05:11 PM

I was going to say. No chance of this site being boring with pnthrfan, werperry, and myself jabbing the heck out of each other.

not a CHANCE.... :snore:

werperry

07-23-2006, 05:21 PM

I don't think any good will come out of Condi's visit and neither does she nor the president. However, to keep the world pacifists happy, she must make a trip over there.

Putin - Don't ever think that Russia and China aren't are two biggest enemies. Always have been and always will. Who do you think supplies N. Korea and Iran with with much of their nuclear capabilities? You may think he's funny; I don't.

Yes, Iraq is a fledging democracy. If you study history, you will see that both Germany and Japan had a lot of bumps in the road until they became a smooth running democracy. I would like to know what wise strategy you or the Democrats have for defeating the insurgency. I will eagerly await that answer.

The bottom line is we have NOT BEEN ATTACKED ON AMERICAN SOIL SINCE 9/11.

We are in a war (WW111) against an enemy that the world has never seen before. It will not end in anyone's life sadly. I would rather have a hawkish president than one who wants to "negotiate." Frankly, I think the Bush administration has done a pretty darn good job.

wasting your time and breathe warren 1st... people like panthrfn will just never get it. as the bible says...there is a time for everything...right now is a time of war. islamo-facists do not want to talk ...

i feel confident we are on the right side...and need to continue the battle. isreal -- like the US -- is a nation bent on building things. radically islam is bent on destroying things.

you may not like the way the US or Isreal goes about their foreign policy...but the history of each shows they would rather BUILD than destroy. boiling it down to that...i'll side with the builders.

show me otherwise.

warren1st

07-23-2006, 06:38 PM

Aren't we supposed to be AMERICAN'S first?

Absolutely. But, possibly your question should be directed at those who do nothing but bash our American president every chance they get.

We are at war folks and W is the Commander-In-Chief.

I'm not saying he is or ever should be above criticism but the day-in-day-out harangueing of George Bush is despicable in my opinion. The press hates him and most people form their opinions of from what the 4th estate tell them.

pnthrfan

07-23-2006, 07:35 PM

Absolutely. But, possibly your question should be directed at those who do nothing but bash our American president every chance they get.

And I am an American , which gives me the right to voice my opinion.

warren1st

07-24-2006, 02:50 AM

Yes ma'am, you are and you do. :wink:

GrowlingTiger87

07-24-2006, 12:52 PM

I don't have a problem with people voicing their opinions, but everything, and I mean EVERYTHING seems to be made into a political argument, and I personally don't think everything is or should be politically related.

What it almost always seems to come to is this: It's GWB's fault...no matter what the issue, and even though I didn't care for Slick Willie, I didn't fault him for every wrong going on in the universe.

The problem is that there are so many that are blinded by their hatred for our current President that they come off to me as being narrow-minded zombies that can't see beyond the real issue nor offer solutions for the problems other than to run the Prez out of office.

What I've witnessed over the last 6 years from the LEFT side of the aisle is no solutions, only hatred. THAT is what I'm sick of.

Now, the Right isn't perfect by any stretch, but negative rhetoric seems to be the Democratic party's only "strong" point.

MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp

07-24-2006, 01:01 PM

Yes, I am back. My flight to greatness has been complete. That said, I'm here but this time with a new poster name with a greater meaning: MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp.

It's great to be back on the forum once again! Having said that...can I get a GO PITTSBURGH STEELERS (after all, it's July 24th and they are still world champions)!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Five things I am grateful for

5) Blessed to live another wonderful day.
4) Blessed to be on the BEST pro-high school website.
3) Blessed to be with the best posters on this site.
2) Blessed to have graduated from Mount Union College with a degree in media studies and sports management and having seen Pittsburgh win title #5 :no1: ! (Believe it or not, I was voted the third sexiest Steelers fan on campus...just kidding :scratchchin: :hug: :laughing: ).
1) Blessed to have parents that stand behind me and blessed to honor the memory of my late grandfather who always instilled the importance of a great education to me! I'm also blessed to LEAD WITH STYLE AND FINISH WITH STYLE (that has to do with the suits I wear and my approach in the pressbox).

xtiger

07-24-2006, 02:32 PM

Keno, is that you?????

CarlE

07-24-2006, 02:40 PM

Oh LORD, you have to be kidding me. Now, obiefan the screen name alone should warrant a yellow card for our man Keno "The Sultan of Swat".

pnthrfan

07-24-2006, 06:31 PM

What it almost always seems to come to is this: It's GWB's fault...

Well...he is our President, is he not? It only stands to reason that since He was the one that wanted to invade Iraq, he is the person that people are finding fault with.

werperry

07-24-2006, 06:33 PM

katrina was his fault...wasn't it panthrfn.

from the aftermath, to the storm itself. all GWB's fault... :dead:

CarlE

07-24-2006, 06:54 PM

Well...he is our President, is he not? It only stands to reason that since He was the one that wanted to invade Iraq, he is the person that people are finding fault with.

So with this logic we can go look at everything that happened under Slickter's watch and lay blame on him. You know, stuff like the USS Cole Bombing, having Bin Ladin in our sites and letting him go, orgies in the Lincoln Bedroom,...etc.....where to stop, where to stop.

pnthrfan

07-24-2006, 09:46 PM

So with this logic we can go look at everything that happened under Slickter's watch and lay blame on him. You know, stuff like the USS Cole Bombing, having Bin Ladin in our sites and letting him go, orgies in the Lincoln Bedroom,...etc.....where to stop, where to stop.

I was talking about the war in Iraq CarlE....but since you brought the other things up.....Bush had Bin Laden in his sites and let him go too. As for the orgies..... What people do in their own bedroom and house for that matter, is no interest to me. Whether it is the President or Joe Shmoe down the street.

GrowlingTiger87

07-24-2006, 11:10 PM

But the bottom line is that EVERY wrong in the world somehow gets politicized and made to look like it was big bad W's fault.

Let me ask you something pnthrfan: Why can't things be about right and wrong instead of left and right all the time?

You know what I think: I think "W" triggered the recent storms in the area which caused massive flooding. It's all his fault....PLEASE!!!:wall:

pnthrfan

07-24-2006, 11:31 PM

Let me ask you something pnthrfan: Why can't things be about right and wrong instead of left and right all the time?

I'll tell you why....because (like I said earlier) we live in the United States of America , and are entitled to our own opinion. There are far too many issues where what one person may think is right another will think it is totally wrong. For instance....(and I am not wanting to debate these issues right now) Stem cell research, abortion, the death penalty, and that's only a few.

longtimefirsttime

07-24-2006, 11:39 PM

Yes, I am back. My flight to greatness has been complete. That said, I'm here but this time with a new poster name with a greater meaning: MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp.

I'm just going to continue calling you Keno. It's easier to say and type. What, were the screen names "Likestheteamsthatmostpeoplearoundherehate" or "Focusedonmychargesintheeyeofthestorm" taken? :laughing:

Kamd50

07-24-2006, 11:48 PM

or " mypittsburgsweetheartswouldkillmeififorgottomentio nwhatdennismillersaid" LOL ! good one LTFT:thumbsup:

werperry

07-25-2006, 08:34 AM

I'll tell you why....because (like I said earlier) we live in the United States of America , and are entitled to our own opinion. There are far too many issues where what one person may think is right another will think it is totally wrong. For instance....(and I am not wanting to debate these issues right now) Stem cell research, abortion, the death penalty, and that's only a few.

i don't get this... :sour:

tgo asked why can't it be 'right v wrong' rather than 'left v right' ...and your still talking opinions? ...so i guess you're saying you can't express your opinions based upon what is right or wrong? ...but, ONLY in the spectrum of left or right...or political affiliation?

my opinion is the war in Iraq is the right thing to do. W's policy on allowing illegals is wrong. W's spending is wrong. W's protection of life is right. ...all of which are my opinion based upon MY value system.... NOT party system.

not being a smart-ass here... just need a clarification panthrfn.

pnthrfan

07-25-2006, 10:52 AM

i don't get this... :sour:

tgo asked why can't it be 'right v wrong' rather than 'left v right' ...and your still talking opinions? ...so i guess you're saying you can't express your opinions based upon what is right or wrong? ...but, ONLY in the spectrum of left or right...or political affiliation?

my opinion is the war in Iraq is the right thing to do. W's policy on allowing illegals is wrong. W's spending is wrong. W's protection of life is right. ...all of which are my opinion based upon MY value system.... NOT party system.

not being a smart-ass here... just need a clarification panthrfn.

What is there not to get?

I don't base my beleifs and opinions on the left or right.
For example:

I am all for stem cell research, and knowing how you feel, you more then likely aren't. That is my opinion and belief.

I am pro-choice, and you aren't. That is my opinion and belief.

I am for the death penalty in some cases, and since you are pro-life, you probably aren't.

I was against going into Iraq in the first place, and you think it was the right thing to do.

These are my opinions.......... noone elses. I do not feel this way because I am a Democrat, I feel this way because I am a person, and I have a right to decide for MYSELF what I feel is right and what I feel is wrong.

I could sit here and say that you base your beliefs on your party, because alot of your beliefs follow your party line, just like mine do, but I won't , because I don't believe that you would be that narrow-minded to let your political affilliation , decide how you should feel about serious issues.

MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp

07-25-2006, 11:32 AM

Xtiger,

Who else is the only three-piece suit and tie-wearing, dressed-up, leading with style person on here?

Having said that, I wore three-piece suits whenever I was reporting on the Purple Raiders football team and it carried over after that.

I lead with style. The way I dress is how people will judge me whenever I am in the pressbox.

Having said that, it's July 25 and the Pittsburgh Steelers are still Super Bowl XL champions :no1: !!!!! The black and gold lead with dominance...and they won with dominance!!!!!!

marlow

07-25-2006, 11:35 AM

Nature's formation of a cataclysmic storm that devasted NOLA and the Gulf Coast is not Bush's fault.

Gutting an organization that was responsible for meeting the needs of citizens after such a catastrophe is Bush's fault.

Appointing a professional horse judge to direct an organization responsible for meeting the diverse needs of its citizens after a catastrophe is Bush's fault.

Denying reality after a cataclysmic storm re: the dire situation on the ground for 10s of thousands is Bush's fault.

The above example illustrates how Werperry's statement re: Katrina is correct. However, a simple peak beneath the surface of the statement reveals that much of the suffering following Katrina was a result of the failure of an organization that performed exceptionally well prior to Bush sticking his hands in areas where he, or more discouraging anyone @ him, has no knowledge.

I understand that Nagin is a jackass and that Governor is a nit-wit. Yet this is no excuse for the destruction of such a vital entity as FEMA. This is Bush's fault.

Unfortunately, life is not as simple as the dichotomies presented by many on here and in the political talk world. Hopefully, someone in leadership will recognize this before the world is enveloped in any more madness. The prognosis is bleak with the idealogues in the Middle East and the White House.

GrowlingTiger87

07-25-2006, 12:43 PM

pnthrfan...Thank you for being honest then. That's all I wanted. But don't you agree with me that everything seems to be politicized these days? My beliefs do fall (mostly) in line with the Republican party, but I like to consider myself somewhat more conservative than most R's, and when Billary was in office, I didn't put the blame for everything on him, because it really isn't about politics all the time.

What I'm sick of is the "blame Bush" mentality that runs rampant on your side of the aisle. There's a lot of other politicians in Washington that are as much to blame for a lot of wrongs as Bush is...on BOTH sides. But what I've seen is that your PARTY wants to run him out of office over something new every week with the theory that 'keep throwing stuff at the wall, and something's bound to stick'. My feeling is that you'll get a chance in 2 years to get one of your radical guys in there (because heaven knows that there's no room in your party these days for a Joe Lieberman), so just sit tight. You can voice your opinion, but please stop blaming this administration for every wrong in the world, because there's a lot of blame that can be spread all over D.C.

We had to suffer through your boy Slick Willie, and somehow we survived. Be patient, and you'll have another chance soon.

God Bless America

Kamd50

07-25-2006, 01:01 PM

These are my general feelings when it comes to the subject of "blaming".

When something goes wrong in a school system, you blame the superintendent (as we all know too well the majority of us have done).
When something goes wrong on a football team, you blame the coach,(as Stacy took the blame when we lost to McK).
When something goes wrong in a company, you blame the CEO.
When things get out of control in a classroom, you blame the teacher.
When your kid screws up, the parent gets blamed (as it is their responsibility to keep their kids in line).
If you receive poor service at a restaurant, the manager gets blamed for not managing his staff properly.
So forth and so on........this is the way it is. The head guy/gal in charge takes the blame and accepts that responsibility as part of the deal. The President is no different, whomever he/she may be.

pnthrfan

07-25-2006, 01:01 PM

What I'm sick of is the "blame Bush" mentality that runs rampant on your side of the aisle. There's a lot of other politicians in Washington that are as much to blame for a lot of wrongs as Bush is...on BOTH sides. But what I've seen is that your PARTY wants to run him out of office over something new every week with the theory that 'keep throwing stuff at the wall, and something's bound to stick'. My feeling is that you'll get a chance in 2 years to get one of your radical guys in there (because heaven knows that there's no room in your party these days for a Joe Lieberman), so just sit tight. You can voice your opinion, but please stop blaming this administration for every wrong in the world, because there's a lot of blame that can be spread all over D.C.

We had to suffer through your boy Slick Willie, and somehow we survived. Be patient, and you'll have another chance soon.

God Bless America

Do you know what is funny....you post "Why can't things be about right and wrong instead of left and right all the time?,.......... but yet you continue with the comments such as "Your side of the aisle" , Your "party", "we had to suffer through your boy Slick Willie" and "You'll get a chance in 2 years to get one of your radical guys in there"

Maybe you should ask yourself that question ..think about it.

GrowlingTiger87

07-25-2006, 06:11 PM

But in this respect, I was talking about politics. My point was (do I need to state it again) that not everything has to be about politics. Now, I love a good political debate, but there are some things that shouldn't be politicized.

werperry

07-26-2006, 12:12 AM

What is there not to get?

I don't base my beleifs and opinions on the left or right.
For example:

I am all for stem cell research, and knowing how you feel, you more then likely aren't. That is my opinion and belief.

I am pro-choice, and you aren't. That is my opinion and belief.

I am for the death penalty in some cases, and since you are pro-life, you probably aren't.

I was against going into Iraq in the first place, and you think it was the right thing to do.

These are my opinions.......... noone elses. I do not feel this way because I am a Democrat, I feel this way because I am a person, and I have a right to decide for MYSELF what I feel is right and what I feel is wrong.

I could sit here and say that you base your beliefs on your party, because alot of your beliefs follow your party line, just like mine do, but I won't , because I don't believe that you would be that narrow-minded to let your political affilliation , decide how you should feel about serious issues.

good clarification. your opionions are based upon your value system...

same as mine.

i'm curious...where do you think your value system developed from...?

mine's primarily been my religion.