tom mcdanials and son

[sly4458]

question to all. would any of you like to see tom mcdanials and his son that is the qb coach for mck. on coach stacys staff?

[Smitty]

Speaking as a fan, YES.

It adds to ours and diminishes "the competition".

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Smitty,

There is a risk to that. Well maybe not...Canton McKinley fans felt slapped in their face when McDaniels ripped them close to four years ago. It will be even more of a slap in their face if McDaniels comes to Massillon as an assistant coach.

I don't think it will make a difference to them because the Bulldogs will enter the 2007 season at their peak under 54-year-old giant Brian Cross.

But the thought of McDaniels (Thom) at Massillon and Ben at Canton McKinley...that would be ALLURING if you are one of those Stark County radicals who are crazy about football!!!!!!!

[Al.]

I don't think it will make a difference to them because the Bulldogs will enter the 2007 season at their peak under 54-year-old giant Brian Cross.

I thought you said in an earlier post that Mckinley reached their peak in 2006 against Toledo Whitmer in the playoffs. :scratchchin:


Of course Canton McKinley has two of the last three regional championships, they regained the title they lost to Massillon with a 49-7 thumping of Toledo Whitmer (who for all intents and purposes laid down and played dead...allowing the Bulldogs to regain their title with shocking ease).
McKinley reached their peak on the 2006 season with that one win.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Al.

Yes I said the Bulldogs reached their peak on the season as regional champions! Massillon entered the 2006 season at their peak coming off a state title appearance, did they not? So you know Canton McKinley will start the 2007 season at their peak as regional champions.

My question to you Al.: In the 2001 season, when did the Massillon Tigers hit their peak on the season? Get back to me if you know the answer!

[mike_da_man13]

i would like to see him here for sure but if he comes here its because he thinks he has a shot of getting coach staceys job so if he comes here i wouldnt be suprised to see a coaching change in the next 3 or 4 years

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

His son Josh is going to the Raiders...or are you meaning Ben?
And from what I hear this is a definite possiblity.

[Mass6]

I would have to say that this is closer to happening than we think. A friend(51 out of the 52 weeks we're friends that is), of mine is "in" with alot of the goings on in Canton and is very good friends with Ben McDaniels. He called me about 2 weeks ago telling me to watch out that Thom would be a coach at Massillon before too long. I wouldn't mind seeing him on the staff, as he is a good coach! With his coaching teaming with Stacy's, I think it could possibly be a very good thing, although we know he isn't here to be an assistant coach for very long. Hey, I don't care where they come from as long as they get us to the promise land!!! State Title #23!!!

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

well, I hope your expectations aren't too high when it coems to Ben. I'll just leave it to that.
But rumor has it Thom will be being used in a bigger capacity than "helping" Coach Stacy...so maybe they are gonna be a head/assistant coach deal here.

[xtiger]

well, I hope your expectations aren't too high when it coems to Ben. I'll just leave it to that.
But rumor has it Thom will be being used in a bigger capacity than "helping" Coach Stacy...so maybe they are gonna be a head/assistant coach deal here.

I can see Thom as our Athletic Director.

[ChronicTiger]

Massillon entered the 2006 season at their peak coming off a state title appearance, did they not?

No. They hit it in week 10.


My question to you Al.: In the 2001 season, when did the Massillon Tigers hit their peak on the season? Get back to me if you know the answer!

In the playoffs against Mck........

Keno, you are certainly not a peak poster today.......:bomb:

[monte81]

If McD comes to Massillon as a asst. better believe that when Stacy leaves for his fream job McD will be our new head coach--my prediction is for the 2008 season!!!! NO RUMORS----MY OPINION!

McD was the #1 choice of our hiring commitee before Stacy was hired right??????????? WGH would not release him so the deal went dead then but now-----????????????

Great fit for our staff.

Keno--- we will reach our peak when we bring the trophy home---- it will be real soon!!!!!!!! Reaching a peak is when a team has maxed out potential and we have not done that since 1972 because we fell short of our peak by not winning the champiomship in 2005!!!!! PEAK= CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!! We not settle for less in Massillon and will not start now with words like peak, Ok, tried hard,etc,.... we are champions in this city and that's the only peak we consider as Peaking!!!!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

ChronicTiger,

I'm not about to feed you any bull. Massillon hit their peak when they won the 2005 regional title...and that momentum carried them to the state title game, did it not?

By the way, in 2001, Massillon peaked when they turned the lights out on North Canton Hoover 27-7 in a regional final. Though they lost to St. Ignatius a week later, the Tigers were at the height of their dominance in 2002 and it carried them to another regional title!

I'm not the smartest person on here but that's OK with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I respect them for that.

[ChronicTiger]

ChronicTiger,

I'm not about to feed you any bull. Massillon hit their peak when they won the 2005 regional title...and that momentum carried them to the state title game, did it not?



In 2005 I would say they hit their peak in the Eds game....

I thought we were talking about the 2006 season???? The Tigers peaked in week 10 against the pups......Did they not?

:eek2:

[giant lugey]

I think the whole McDaniels family bleeds red and black and I wouldn't want them anywhere near Tiger Town.
Also, at his age, and now that he is a retiree, I think he just coaching as a hobby. The Tiger coaching job is not just a hobby for anyone.

[Red50Go]

Would I like to see McDaniels on Stacy's staff? Or as AD? Are you kidding? YES!

As Head Coach? Like alot of you - I dont know about that. Alot of baggage. Thats why initially as an asst or AD would be a great opportunity to work together, evaluate, and decide when the time comes. And that time WILL come.

I might not have said that a year ago. But if we got head cases attitudes motivational etc problems then TM does have a great track history of pushing the right buttons in kids like ours. And frankly that doesn't appear to be Stacy's forte.

[giant lugey]

I just don't get this love affair with McDaniels. He's been coach for a hundred years and he's won 1 state title with a team that had 3 future NFL players on it. What else has he done. Oh yea..he did make the comment that if he didn't win the state title he should be fired. Real smart !!!!
He's had some loaded teams at Warren, also with some future NFL players, and didn't get it done.
I think he's best known for mentoring Maurice Clarrett.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=giant lugey;34429]I just don't get this love affair with McDaniels.

It's not about the love affair with McD...It's about the love affair with the
Federal League and the good ol'e boys network :glare:

[Red50Go]

Hey no love affair here. What he said about Mck was deplorable. He's turned us in before. He is grossly overrated, as you state. Ego-maniac. A former Mckinley HC - nuff said there alone. I actually despise the guy.

BUT... gotta look at it rationally too. He does bring ALOT of similar experience, and above avg success, to the table. But the key point is as an assistant the dowside is minimal. Either way he is probably a candidate when Stacy leaves so why not know something about it first.

The other factor is we have a problem reaching some of our kids. 2 years in a row Stacy is complaining about it. We cant bury our head. TM would be a good compliment to our staff in that regard imo. X's & O's & hard feelings aside, I can at least admit that.

[Benchboss1]

The other factor is we have a problem reaching some of our kids. 2 years in a row Stacy is complaining about it. We cant bury our head. TM would be a good compliment to our staff in that regard imo. X's & O's & hard feelings aside, I can at least admit that.



With absolutely NO INTENT to stir anything up, wasn't this a concern of some on this board when it became apparent that Stacy was the choice for our job?

[DragonTigerNemesis]

With absolutely NO INTENT to stir anything up, wasn't this a concern of some on this board when it became apparent that Stacy was the choice for our job?

Yes, admittedly it was.
But we thought his playbook would make up for it.
(And maybe it will yet, if he ever gets it out.)

[OTC TIGER]

Thom's playbook has been out for 20+ years..what you see is what you get
:zzz:

[Smitty]

Thom's playbook has been out for 20+ years...


Chico Kyle's playbook is also "common knowledge" ... and that got us what?

[monte81]

Yes, admittedly it was.
But we thought his playbook would make up for it.
(And maybe it will yet, if he ever gets it out.)


Winning is the ultimate goal however our kids are not completely responding so a boost from Mcd might be what the title run needs and reaching players on and off the field has always been a strong point with McD!

[OTC TIGER]

Chico Kyle's playbook is also "common knowledge" ... and that got us what?

Thom's playbook is nothing special or complicated

[monte81]

Thom's playbook is nothing special or complicated

McD will not need a playbook unless he is the HC--Stacy loves his offense(or should I say a variation of Owen's offense) just needs a few old counters and sweeps and stop throwing the 5 yard out pass!!:rockon:

[Red50Go]

Complicated is good? Just checking. I aint bright enough to tell you what is better. I see coaches w/ multiple state titles in each.

All I care about is execution, defense - and the bottom line - WINS.

[giant lugey]

The best play in his play book was "Wide Right"

[TigerVic]

Mcdaniels, like Kyle, knows how to make adjustments at halftime, something we've been lacking in the past.

I think having him as some sort of advisor on the staff (or even an assistant) would take the pressure off of McDaniels and he can truly coach players, not the team.

I'm not familiar with Ben's coaching abilities or even background.

I think the Tigers peaked against North Park and then again for a week against the Arizona team. Beyond that, I never saw the Eye of the Tiger with the 2006 squad or coaching staff. I don't like to say this, but I think the McK win was largely due to Grimsley not hitting his passes (or even coming close to a human being with his passes).

[OTC TIGER]

Complicated is good? Just checking. I aint bright enough to tell you what is better. I see coaches w/ multiple state titles in each.

All I care about is execution, defense - and the bottom line - WINS.

Let's be honest..McD's offense is pretty basic if you execute you will have success, now let's take a look at who was doing the executing over the years
I'll start with Doss,Petersen,Martin..all in NFL..Clarett,Burgess,Manningham

you get the idea :eek2:

[Kamd50]

Truth be told, I know for a fact that there were some guys ( that a lot of folks were wondering why they weren't in the game much) that did not see much playing time last season because they could not learn some of Stacy's "complicated" plays. Sad, but true.

[OTC TIGER]

It was linemen..:sad:

[Smitty]

I can take this either of 2 ways:

Either the play was "too complicated"...

OR...

the player(s) aren't "complicated" enough.



FWIW... I can only imagine if Brown, Mather, Tressel, Strang, Bruce, or Commings had THIS problem.

[Tiger54]

I can take this either of 2 ways:

Either the play was "too complicated"...

OR...

the player(s) aren't "complicated" enough.



FWIW... I can only imagine if Brown, Mather, Tressel, Strang, Bruce, or Commings had THIS problem.
Now, you are getting to what I was thinking. We can talk all we want about McDaniels, Stacy, etc., coaching----but what kind of players are we going to have next year? We have a lot of serious replacements to make!

[obie7661]

Truth be told, I know for a fact that there were some guys ( that a lot of folks were wondering why they weren't in the game much) that did not see much playing time last season because they could not learn some of Stacy's "complicated" plays. Sad, but true.

It was linemen..

Blocking rules for the offensive linemen will do away with "complicated plays."

Coach Strang used blocking rules in his unbalanced wing-t.

[OTC TIGER]

Blocking rules for the offensive linemen will do away with "complicated plays."



:scratchchin: :wtf: