OHSAA revokes new divisional alignment.........................

[Benchboss1]

Here is the thread from another forum.

http://www.yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134725

[longtimefirsttime]

The Inde article:
http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=13178&Category=2

We can put this to rest. The Tigers will remain in D-1. :weightlift:

[tiger74]

ya it's like christmas all over again. :thanx:

[chumly]

Merry Christmas!

Now, the Tigers need to get focused on workouts and find some leaders that are going to pull the team together for yet another run at the playoffs.

[chumly]

from the article LTFT posted:

“After consulting with OHSAA Board and staff members along with hearing feedback from OHSAA membership, the feeling is that, while we tried to create fairness for one division, perhaps we were creating unfairness in the other divisions,” board president Jerry Snodgrass said in a release.

I wonder what new team(s) in DII were going to create "unfairness" ?

[TigerVic]

I believe the "unfairness" did not stem from particular teams, but the relative sizes of the division in which the probability of reaching the playoffs was significantly greater in Div. I than in other divisions.

I believe those who protested the most were coaches in Div. VI.

[Al.]

We can put this to rest. The Tigers will remain in D-1. :weightlift:

Yea: Hopefully this is one dead horse that we won't have to beat again. However, the FED issue looms.

[xtiger]

Yea: Hopefully this is one dead horse that we won't have to beat again. However, the FED issue looms.

Al, that Fed issue is more of a concern to me than the D2 issue.

At least in D2 we can dictate our own schedule. If we enter the Fed,
we limit our options.

I'm just dang glad there's closure to the D2 debate.(for now)

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Xtiger,

This is a win for Massillon that they are remaining in Division I. A good point of that was in 2005 when Massillon hit their peak when they won the regional title and nearly knocked out three undefeated teams on their way to a 13-2 finish.

Far as the Federal League concerned, Massillon will not be in the Fed and that's another win for the Tigers.

Since the 1999 season, Massillon is 8-4 against the Federal League and currently possess a four-game winning streak against Federal League teams going back to the 2005 OHSAA playoffs, a 45-14 win over North Canton Hoover.

Technically speaking, Massillon owns the Federal League and that stance is validated as the Tigers have outscored teams in the league 271-198 since 1999.

On an average note, Massillon has averaged 22.6 points compared to Federal foes, who have scored only an average of 16.5 points against the Tigers since 1999.

[Obie Wan]

I believe the "unfairness" did not stem from particular teams, but the relative sizes of the division in which the probability of reaching the playoffs was significantly greater in Div. I than in other divisions.

I believe those who protested the most were coaches in Div. VI.
The problem with the proposed realignment was not that they tried to fix a non-existant problem, but that their "solution" didn't really address the problem. All they did was shove everyone down dump the extras in DVI. A more even allocation of schools would have been distributed like a bell curve, with more schools in DIII and DIV and fewer in DI and DVI.

[MadTiger08]

Thank God. Tiger football would lose some of it's luster in D2 in my opinion. If you think you are the best, play with the best.

[obie2000]

With losing enrollment sooner or later we will be dropping. That will take some luster off? Dont understand that!

[Big Fan Van]

With losing enrollment sooner or later we will be dropping. That will take some luster off? Dont understand that!


I disagree, just because the enrollment has declined lately, doesn't mean the enrollment will keep declining. You really never know where enrollment will go, up, or down.:smile:

[Seeker]

With losing enrollment sooner or later we will be dropping. That will take some luster off? Dont understand that!

Here are the total numbers for Washington High School for the last five years:

2005-2006 School Year 1340
2004-2005 School Year 1300
2003-2004 School Year 1301
2002-2003 School Year 1345
2001-2002 School Year 1345


Our previously "declining enrollment" seems to have stabilized.

[Kamd50]

I disagree, just because the enrollment has declined lately, doesn't mean the enrollment will keep declining. You really never know where enrollment will go, up, or down.:smile:

:iagree:

[The Butler]

Our previously "declining enrollment" seems to have stabilized.

Massillon's potential drop to D-2 will more likely be caused by the growing enrollments in suburban school districts around the state, particularly in Central Ohio. Several years from now, many of you may wish this change had happened because, as it now stands, the option to play up won't exist.

[Smitty]

The problem with the proposed realignment ... didn't really address the problem. All they did was shove everyone down dump the extras in DVI. A more even allocation of schools would have been distributed like a bell curve, with more schools in DIII and DIV and fewer in DI and DVI.

A "bell curve" distribution of schools into divisions does make the most sense; especially if OHSAA keeps 6 divisions. I'd consider the mathematics of dividing Ohio into 7 or 8 divisions.

To say that the spead within Division 1 is a "non-existant" problem is no different than suggesting Ohio go back to the very old days of NO divisions at all.

Either the # of boys in a school makes a difference... or it doesn't. We can't argue both ways.

[giant lugey]

We are more competitive in Division 1 than most schools larger than us..
i.e. - Perry, Jackson, Hoover, G.O and Mck. Those schools weren't going to be dropping down a division, so why should we.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Giant Lugey,

You speak a valid stance with your post there.

[TIGER27]

I don't see what the big deal is we were gonna play DI anyway.

[Benchboss1]

We are more competitive in Division 1 than most schools larger than us..
i.e. - Perry, Jackson, Hoover, G.O and Mck. Those schools weren't going to be dropping down a division, so why should we.


As much as it pains me to ask this, just how are we more competitive than Mckinley in division 1?

Somebody please pass the Scope!! :puke:

[TIGER27]

3 Regional titles in the last 6 years Mck doens't have it.

[BigTime]

3 Regional titles in the last 6 years Mck doens't have it.

Don't they have 2 of the last 3? :scratchchin:

[Red50Go]

What equates fairness? Enrollment or number of schools?

Question: If 2 teams have 100 kids and 4 teams have 50, how do you split them into 2 equal divisions? 3 ea???

[Obie Wan]

An equal number of competitors is not the same thing as equal competition.

[giant lugey]

Maybe I should have said we AS competitive as Mck, but more competitive than the rest.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Big Time,

Of course Canton McKinley has two of the last three regional championships, they regained the title they lost to Massillon with a 49-7 thumping of Toledo Whitmer (who for all intents and purposes laid down and played dead...allowing the Bulldogs to regain their title with shocking ease).

McKinley reached their peak on the 2006 season with that one win.

[giant lugey]

I think the fact that Hilliard won the state title this year changed the minds of the OHSAA. I am not sure how big Hilliard is, but I don't think they have monster numbers

[Obie Wan]

Only 34 schools in the state are bigger than Davidson.

[Submariner]

There was definitely concern for what could have happened to Massillon. I speak for myself, but hope others share this thought with me:

Massillon is tradition, a strong football history, a measuring stick for other teams around Ohio. Warren Harding has a history with Massillon, that only comes second to Canton McKinley. To see Massillon go to Division II, (in my humble opinion) is a serious no-no! What path will Harding tread if Massillon goes to Division II? We are the older towns in Ohio, as these new ones or younger towns grow by leaps and bounds. Streetboro, Twinsburg, and many others are growing, the Warren's and Massillon's not as big as they once were. I hope that old saying comes true: "What's old is new again". I wish that for both our enrollment purposes. It is great that Massillon stays were it belongs in Division I !!!!!!!!:iagree:

[Smitty]

I appreciate & agree with your statement, Submariner...

FWIW, I'd argue that Steubenville has equally rich and proud h.s. football history, rightfully deserving of merit with Massillon, Canton McKinley, & Warren. The drop in enrollment led to their play in smaller divisions... but they're still very successful. There's no doubt in my mind that Steubenville could easily compete with larger schools (similarly as now does Y'town Cardinal Mooney).

Should the Big Red be playing in D-1 also??

[Submariner]

I appreciate & agree with your statement, Submariner...

FWIW, I'd argue that Steubenville has equally rich and proud h.s. football history, rightfully deserving of merit with Massillon, Canton McKinley, & Warren. The drop in enrollment led to their play in smaller divisions... but they're still very successful. There's no doubt in my mind that Steubenville could easily compete with larger schools (similarly as now does Y'town Cardinal Mooney).

Should the Big Red be playing in D-1 also??

My apologies to Steubenville; and yes, Cardinal Mooney is back and giving us fits!!!!! I call it Bucci-esque football--they tell what they are going to do and dare you to stop it. Nothing fancy, just run behind a big bunch of guys. They look to be tough again this coming season! I see you have Ursuline on your schedule.....Wow!!!! Curious to see who is next? Could it be Ursuline's Cousin......Massillon versus Mooney, now we are talking!!!!!!!!
Glad Harding has a head coach now, and can move forward. This will be interesting.

[dmessen]

Well, they are at it again......How about a score on last Fridays BB game? Can't count on the web site any more.They were two weeks behind last week.:ohno: :ohno:

[longtimefirsttime]

Which BB game? The boys haven't played since the 1/27 game against Perry.