workouts

[sly4458]

i hope the coach does stick to HIS WORD. should be that way. thd kids who put in the time and abide by ALL the rules should be the ones that should get the first shot to start. dont we want kids who are commited to being the best, following the rules, and doing what the coaches and teachers want from them. i sure do.
Or do we just want that BIG W and to heck with the rules and doing what is required. i tip my hat to the fresh coach in perry who made 11 sit out because of off field issues. and ended up costing the team against hoover.

[tiger51]

Not sure where this is coming from? are you just making a point? just wondering...

[sly4458]

in the paper today said kids are not showing up for workouts. so yes making a point and wanting others opinions on matter of rules and some kids that will play regardless of if they show up or follow rules.

[Red50Go]

Just like last year. Lets be honest here. This is deplorable. Basically unprecedented. I have a few choice words about this I better keep my mouth shout.

[CarlE]

This is just reprehensible. These guys need to do a gut-check. I don't care what they come up with for feeble excuses this is just not right. OK, based on this attitude, I'm predicting a 5-5 record and not even SNIFFING the play-offs next year. I can't believe this.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

sly4458,

I can't tell where your leads are at in all of this but this isn't happening under the forceful watch of Tom Stacy and his Massillon Tigers charges.

If this is happening elsewhere, I wouldn't worry about it.

[longtimefirsttime]

sly4458,

I can't tell where your leads are at in all of this but this isn't happening under the forceful watch of Tom Stacy and his Massillon Tigers charges.

If this is happening elsewhere, I wouldn't worry about it.

Keno, the forceful leader cannot force people to attend optional offseason workouts. There are some people who don't have the desire. In Massillon, that's truly sad.

[CarlE]

sly4458,

I can't tell where your leads are at in all of this but this isn't happening under the forceful watch of Tom Stacy and his Massillon Tigers charges.

If this is happening elsewhere, I wouldn't worry about it.

Um yes it is. It's in the paper. And the Forceful one is even quoted as being disappointed. Come on, Keno start doing some research there, buddy. That's part of your job!

[MTown]

sly4458,

I can't tell where your leads are at in all of this but this isn't happening under the forceful watch of Tom Stacy and his Massillon Tigers charges.

If this is happening elsewhere, I wouldn't worry about it.

His lead is Chris Easterling who wrote the article in the Massillon Independents including comments from the "forceful" Tom Stacy.

IT IS happening and those kids who aren't concerned with coming to workouts should find themselves a nice, plush spot on the bench or better yet, in the stands.

This kind of attitude has to be dealt with and removed from the program IMMEDIATELY.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Seems like after reading Mr. Easterling's story, there are some charges who might be behind on the depth chart and fast.

[monte81]

All I read in the article is players being lazy and coaches unable to motivate players!! From the article and sources I have the program needs a wake up call because we as a program have not done nothing special the past two years in my opinion but play football below our standards in some games and above our talents in others!! This team better wake up and smell the grass or they will be put flat on their a@@ come September!!! Those same non working juniors kept the 06 team underachieving!!! I personally told Stacy he needs someone coaching there to light a fire under those kids or start giving players and assts. some walking papers!!! Or we know the tiger faithful will draft him some ordered to go-- if he has not already packed-- oh wait he still has not moved to Massillon so he just has to drive off!!!

We are a better program than the players and coaches are showing and I feel that all players and coaches should respect the tradition and GO HARD 24/7/365 preparing to represent the best high school football program ever built in the United States!!! Get it right or get gone---all involved!!!!


Keno-- Coach Stacy=forceful!!! Funny because he is too nice to those kids and doesn't talk to them real when needed--forceful=NO!!!!

[monte81]

I know a few poster on here that can get them in the gym!!!

[Coke Guy]

Alot of the potential players are playing other sports. Yoder, Hildreth, Skelly, Studer are wrestling. Irvin, Jackson, Turner and VanRisen are playing basketball. These juniors lost one regular season game from junior high through their freshman seasons. Mix in some of the sophmores and I think you will be pleasently surprised.

[monte81]

Alot of the potential players are playing other sports. Yoder, Hildreth, Skelly, Studer are wrestling. Irvin, Jackson, Turner and VanRisen are playing basketball. These juniors lost one regular season game from junior high through their freshman seasons. Mix in some of the sophmores and I think you will be pleasently surprised.

No question the 2007 tigers will have TALENT and POTENTIAL but we have that every year 95% of the time in Massillon but if THE TEAM has no work ethic and the COACHES have no fire to motivate or cnanot motivate then we will be in trouble!!!

The most talented teams in Massillon history have fell short because of intangibles--heart, desire, work ethic, injuries, etc,... and some were messed up by the coaching staff by--position changes, wrong play calling, preperation,etc... it is a two way street and it all starts with TEAM UNITY!!! :rockon:

[Red50Go]

Coke, the no-shows dont even include those guys. So it is as bad as Stacy says and I think he would know. Besides, a few years ago that was not an excuse either. You made the time up AFTER practice if you had to to keep up w/ the off-season program. And the kids ate it up too.

Monte summed it up perfectly in that 1st sentence...and last sentence of post #11. You pulled this crap on any other coach all the way to when I was in school in the early 80's and I cant even imagine the punishment, except there would be puke or blood involved. Somebody better get in somebody's face and nip this NOW. This is Massillon dammit.

[Kamd50]

I know there are a LOT of these players parents and grandparents that read these threads on Massillon Proud. So get on your kids' asses and get them motivated and pointed in the right direction. It is your responsibility to take an active role BEFORE the season begins, not just when it's time for Friday night lights and glory time. If you don't, there will be no glory time to bask in.And while you're at it, explain to them how important it is to step up and be a leader in motivating their fellow teammates as well. It all starts in the home.

[TigerVic]

If we faced our Clubber Lang right now, we'd be down in the second round.

What is it that we need???

EYE OF THE TIGER!!!!!

[Red50Go]

I know there are a LOT of these players parents and grandparents that read these threads on Massillon Proud. So get on your kids' asses and get them motivated and pointed in the right direction. It is your responsibility to take an active role BEFORE the season begins, not just when it's time for Friday night lights and glory time. If you don't, there will be no glory time to bask in.And while you're at it, explain to them how important it is to step up and be a leader in motivating their fellow teammates as well. It all starts in the home.

I agree w/ all that too. It starts in the home. But for me it ended in Jarvis' gym class, or Walterhouse' class, or Letcavits', or Vrotsos'. It never even got to Currence. When there was hell to pay you couldn't hide.

[Coke Guy]

Red you said a few years ago the kids in other sports found the time and ate it up. That must not have worked either did we not have back to back four and six seasons? These kids are given all the tools to be successful and if their parents dont let them know that they will never be successful. If you have to be motivated by a coach or anyone else to play football at massillon maybe you should find out where the band practices.

[sly4458]

kids in other sports are not the ones he is talking about. he said he was going to run a tight ship when he came in. and from what is going on as of now he better step up and set the tone real quick. some kids who work there tails off now will still sit. same old story its about the big W some will get away with things and the heads will turn other way. still tip hat to perry frosh coach. would our staff do that. hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[monte81]

I agree w/ all that too. It starts in the home. But for me it ended in Jarvis' gym class, or Walterhouse' class, or Letcavits', or Vrotsos'. It never even got to Currence. When there was hell to pay you couldn't hide.


Man-- Coach Letcavits was the best technique teacher and defensive scheme caller I ever played for!! He would put you in position to make plays but you had to want it YOURSELF!!!! Coach V spitting on you all the time yelling during practice-- by 1988 he just walked around yelling at every drill until everyone did it his way-- the memories!!! Coach Wells--Mr. Intensity all day!! These kids dont have coaches these days--they are called babysitters and mediators!!!

Travis and I played football and basketball everyday until my mom had to beat us home most days--- some of us just want it more than others!!!!

[Chubby Tiger]

This really doesnt surprise me. As a recent member of the tigers I think I saw a big character issue with this class. At times I was unsure if they really wanted to play that bad. I'm not calling out the whole senior class to be, but there are individuals in there that simply dont care about football and coach needs to get rid of them if they are not going to fully commit themselves to the team.

[sly4458]

this program should not have to put up with any kids crap. we should have strong rules and if you violate them then you are gone. it should be a privillage and an honor to play for this team and this coach. get some gary wells attitude back in this coaching staff... kids might not have liked him then but ill bet a few that they learned and now respect him. should be real simple my way or find another place to play.

[#56tigerdad]

I know one junior who hasnt missed a workout ever, and will not because he has the desire to earn a starting job again and keep it... He is lifting with the power lifting team to gain more strength for his senior year...

[OTC TIGER]

If we faced our Clubber Lang right now, we'd be down in the second round.

What is it that we need???

EYE OF THE TIGER!!!!!

What we need we will never get back and that is Coach Stu in the weight
room...Workouts haven't been the same since Feb 2004..:sad:

[The Voice]

Everybody knows a true Championship team is built NOW .. not in September.

tv

[mike_da_man13]

What we need we will never get back and that is Coach Stu in the weight
room...Workouts haven't been the same since Feb 2004..:sad:

i love how people always say stuff like this and we wonder why people say were always living in the past......
we have to do the best with what we have right now and if the kids need to be motivated at all times by coaches and parents they shouldnt be playing i understand there are times when you need that extra encouragement but if you need it every week its time to hang up the pads

[Mr.Deedee]

You're asking the PARENTS to get the kids motivated? Wasn't it just a few years ago that some of the "PARENTS" complained that their babies had to get to school too early for workouts and coach had to stop them? Some of the parents can't even get themselves motivated.

When my son played for the Tigers (a few years prior to the above complaining parents) he was there for everything--even though he did not play in too many of the games. He later went on to one of the service academies and seemed to be up to every challenge that was given to him. He majored in the most difficult field of study at the academy and even participated in MORE activities and physical training than was required. He would laugh and say that if you could make it through four years of workouts and training for the Tigers, everything else was a breeze!

So for all you Tigers and future Tigers, apply and challenge yourselves because the rewards in life are great!

[MTiger08]

I'm predicting a 5-5 record and not even SNIFFING the play-offs next year. I can't believe this.

:argue: This is a little bit of a harsh statement CarlE, considering we aren't even a week past the first of the year. Maturity comes with time.

[Obie Wan]

Maturity comes with time.
How much time do you want?

[Kamd50]

You people are overreacting. There are a lot more dedicated players than you seem to think. Have some faith.

[TigerDL71]

You people are overreacting. There are a lot more dedicated players than you seem to think. Have some faith.


you are only as strong as your weakest link

[Kamd50]

hmmmmm, maybe it won't be the kids who turn out to be the weakest link:scratchchin:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Kamd50,

You're a knowledgeable person. Just who will be the weakest link?

[Kamd50]

Just thinking............... use that forceful brain of yours and focus Keno. I am sure you will be able to come up with some thoughtful, provacative, interesting, amazing, dastardly, inconceivable, radical, lasvicious, fundamentally sound,crazed, eradicated, outstanding, excellent, yearning, everlasting, uncontested, great, effective,hot, enhanced, powerful, overpowering, , tough, eager, snappy thoughts of your own.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Kamd50,

You have some snap and zip to your post! Believe me, if I had to choose between you and any other female posters from other sites......I'd choose you. Not only do you have faith but you have word smarts and generalship too.

I'd have made a good English teacher had I majored in education.

[Obie Wan]

I'd have made a good English teacher had I majored in education.
This is the funniest thing I have ever read on this site.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Obie Wan,

I just have a thing for words. At least you're not like that former NBC reporter who wished malevolent, arrogant, repulsive, vile, atrocious, lewd, belligerent, evil, rancid, terrible harm upon a lady nine years ago.

Would you be interested in having your son or daughter as a student in my class if I was a teacher?

[TigerDL71]

hmmmmm, maybe it won't be the kids who turn out to be the weakest link:scratchchin:

i think you took my post the wrong way, im saying that the kids who don't show up to the workouts will be the weak links, the kids who do show up will be ahead of those who don't show up, the kids who don't show up will be behind physically as well as other ways, this is a time where you team beings to form bonds for next season and sets the building blocks for the whole season coming up, next season starts now and its starting out horribly, you are only as strong as your weakest links and the kids not showing up are going to be the weakest links

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

TigerDL71,

Those weak links will be determined in the next five or six months. Maybe not now but soon.........

[Obie Wan]

Would you be interested in having your son or daughter as a student in my class if I was a teacher?
Why not? I think all kids should learn a foreign language.

[Kamd50]

i think you took my post the wrong way, im saying that the kids who don't show up to the workouts will be the weak links, the kids who do show up will be ahead of those who don't show up, the kids who don't show up will be behind physically as well as other ways, this is a time where you team beings to form bonds for next season and sets the building blocks for the whole season coming up, next season starts now and its starting out horribly, you are only as strong as your weakest links and the kids not showing up are going to be the weakest links

In that respect, I agree with you. However,I do think that the majority of the guys who are expected to be major players next season are taking the off season seriously and keeping fit in other sports and powerlifting. Hopefully the others will get on board now that break is over.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Obie Wan,

I'd likely teach English I. But I will tell you this...I'd write up a lot of students. But that's OK with me. When I was in high school, a lot of students got wrote up and the teachers let me see their referrals 95% of the time (I never got wrote up in school). Reading their referrals was funny and I still remember most of them.

But enough of that. Massillon's workouts are a must and the only way a player will get strong and tough for 2007 is to be at these workouts.

[TigerDL71]

TigerDL71,

Those weak links will be determined in the next five or six months. Maybe not now but soon.........

believe me, the players as well as the coaches are starting to find out who are the weak links now

[Benchboss1]

In that respect, I agree with you. However,I do think that the majority of the guys who are expected to be major players next season are taking the off season seriously and keeping fit in other sports and powerlifting. Hopefully the others will get on board now that break is over.


Judging from the article, coach Stacy does not seem to share your feelings Kamd50! I think that for this to be put in the paper, the problem must be bigger than what some posters think. What is that old saying about where there is smoke, there must be fire?

[Red50Go]

You people are overreacting. There are a lot more dedicated players than you seem to think. Have some faith.

Then the head coach is overreacting too. Like when he said it was the worst he has seen in 25 years of coaching! It would be nice to put a positive spin on that but I think we better wake up & take drastic measures. We cant say we weren't warned.

[monte81]

I talked to Stacy a few days before the interview at the bball game against Central and he was dead serious about the team!!!! I just think that we need some former players on the staff that are hard nosed but can actually relate to the players on and off the field. Coach Stu was a great motivator but we have to move forward and find the next great Massillionians to fill the shoes like we have always done in the past!! Hire a beast to come in and take over the weight room program--- Who's in charge????? Also self motivation is huge and SOME of our kids dont have it!!!!

If players was not going to the weight room during my days-- we would go get them -- Jason Stafford never let me miss a workout and I never let him miss either!! Players have to step up and take control of the team as well as coaches need to motivate and weed out the players who are holding the program back from the ultimate goal of the Tigers!!!

[CarlE]

Exactly. Trying to sugarcoat something like this when the dang HEAD COACH comes out and expresses concern in just naievity. It's time to take the bull by the horns and get this situation under control. I'm telling you, this is nothing but a lack of mental discipline. And a lack of mental discipline does NOT make for a very successful football team.

And yes, if my head coach is quoting concern in the paper, you dang well better believe I'm going to react. Not OVER-react, but I'm SURE going to react.

[monte81]

This is shocking that a tiger team is not willing to put forth the effort, dedication, and work to become winners!!!! Loyalty, duty, selfless service, and integrity seem to not apply with our program anymore!!!! This is a slap in the face to ME and all Former tigers who have worked their @sses off to help keep the tradition going in the past!!! I also fault the coaching staff to allow this type of behavior to continue!!
Everyone knows that no practices or organized workouts are allowed but the UNWRITTEN RULE at Massillon is no later than 2 weeks after the last football game everyone will attend weight training class if it is on your classroom schedule or not!!!! One coach or one player better step up and get this @hit right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!:cry:

[Tiger54]

You're asking the PARENTS to get the kids motivated? Wasn't it just a few years ago that some of the "PARENTS" complained that their babies had to get to school too early for workouts and coach had to stop them? Some of the parents can't even get themselves motivated.

When my son played for the Tigers (a few years prior to the above complaining parents) he was there for everything--even though he did not play in too many of the games. He later went on to one of the service academies and seemed to be up to every challenge that was given to him. He majored in the most difficult field of study at the academy and even participated in MORE activities and physical training than was required. He would laugh and say that if you could make it through four years of workouts and training for the Tigers, everything else was a breeze!

So for all you Tigers and future Tigers, apply and challenge yourselves because the rewards in life are great!

It would appear that today's Tigers don't have the same kind of motivation and/or dedication. Maybe they think that all they have to do is show up with a Tiger uniform on them and the opponents will be scared! I was sickened to read that article in the Inde.

[Tiger54]

I talked to Stacy a few days before the interview at the bball game against Central and he was dead serious about the team!!!! I just think that we need some former players on the staff that are hard nosed but can actually relate to the players on and off the field. Coach Stu was a great motivator but we have to move forward and find the next great Massillionians to fill the shoes like we have always done in the past!! Hire a beast to come in and take over the weight room program--- Who's in charge????? Also self motivation is huge and SOME of our kids dont have it!!!!

If players was not going to the weight room during my days-- we would go get them -- Jason Stafford never let me miss a workout and I never let him miss either!! Players have to step up and take control of the team as well as coaches need to motivate and weed out the players who are holding the program back from the ultimate goal of the Tigers!!!

Yes, you bring up a great point. Why aren't there any former great Tigers on our coaching staff---they sure don't seem to have a problem getting them on the Bulldog staff, do they? Coach Studer was a great one for reminding the kids what it was like to be a Tiger. Don't we have anyone like that now? How can you maintain tradition when you don't have Tigers on the staff to remind them of what it's like to be a Tiger and former Tiger?

[muc18]

I did not play football at massillon, however I did play baseball. All that I know is that when we had optional practices, that meant you better be there if you ever want to see the field, let alone be on the team. Now I know that things are run a little differently for football, but maybe coach should cut some dead wood now. Maybe just maybe if he shows he is serious others will take notice.

[CarlE]

Somebody brought this up earlier. I PROMISE you we would not be having these problems if #55 were still alive and running our conditioning program. Just another reason to miss the big guy!

[monte81]

Yes, you bring up a great point. Why aren't there any former great Tigers on our coaching staff---they sure don't seem to have a problem getting them on the Bulldog staff, do they? Coach Studer was a great one for reminding the kids what it was like to be a Tiger. Don't we have anyone like that now? How can you maintain tradition when you don't have Tigers on the staff to remind them of what it's like to be a Tiger and former Tiger?


Former tigers on the staff should be MANDATORY every season! Coaches from Gailon, Triway, Michigan,etc,... and any other school not located at 1 Paul Brown Dr. cannot teach a TIGER TO BE A TIGER!!!!!!! Rozier, MCdaniels, etc... the bulldogs keep tradition on the staff no matter who the coach-- you are never to forget who paved the way for you to suit up and play for the best team in the Country!!

[OTC TIGER]

As I said in another thread...When the concern is over who the captains are
and how many in Dec & January..there is a problem..especially when some of
those concerned are Parents :scratchchin: What's in for ME :mad:

[Hack]

I had a dream that Coach Stacy called me and said they had an opening and asked if I was interested. When I said yes I woke up and realized it was a dream. I have applied for teaching jobs in Massillon the last two years and I will apply every year until I get an interview!

[Dr Strangemind]

Obie Wan,

I just have a thing for words. At least you're not like that former NBC reporter who wished malevolent, arrogant, repulsive, vile, atrocious, lewd, belligerent, evil, rancid, terrible harm upon a lady nine years ago.

Would you be interested in having your son or daughter as a student in my class if I was a teacher?

was?

[Red50Go]

We need to bend over backwards and do cartwheels when a guy like the previous poster expresses a DESIRE to come back!!! Or McGuires, Paynes, Daniels, etc. Tradition gets passed down. It must be taught, and learned. Massillon used to be ALL about that. Our biggest assistant hire last year was a hc down in Lexington (?) w/ all the credentials in the world to take over the O-Line. Hows that working out? Probably a fine coach too but... you get the point.

[OTC TIGER]

Red50Go...I coudn't agree more..as I said earlier in this thread we lost a he!!
of lot of that Tradition you talk of with the passing of Stu..We must make up
for that in other areas of coaching personell and that means bringing in more of own :thumbsup:

[sly4458]

doug harrig is a former tiger player. and a good coach. it still comes down to dedication and heart from the kids. seem some players cant wait for season to be over. heck we have cell phones on the buses, texting our gals at sideliner dinners, after we get beat. we have our girls waiting for us before the @@@@ buses get to the stadium. so it is still about dedication and having the desire and heart. like i said earlier. set the damn rules and if you dont abide by them then find another place to play. should be a privillage to wear that massillon uniform. and you shou have to EARN IT!!!

[MTFootBall59]

the funny thing is is this was what coach was talkin about the whole year last year in the locker room i just dont understand it noone has grown up but they will...dont worrie im sure someone will start bein a leader it takes time to get courage i kno it did for some of us and i think you can agreee with me when i say we did have leadership last year..if not then im sure he will have one of us come in to take care of it i kno im goin to start lifting after school with the football team

~Mike~

[Dr Strangemind]

We need to bend over backwards and do cartwheels when a guy like the previous poster expresses a DESIRE to come back!!! Or McGuires, Paynes, Daniels, etc. Tradition gets passed down. It must be taught, and learned. Massillon used to be ALL about that. Our biggest assistant hire last year was a hc down in Lexington (?) w/ all the credentials in the world to take over the O-Line. Hows that working out? Probably a fine coach too but... you get the point.

:iagree:

[OTC TIGER]

doug harrig is a former tiger player. and a good coach[QUOTE]

Doug is very good coach,however he works and lives out of the district
We need guys in the buildings which includes Elementary on up

[monte81]

We need to bend over backwards and do cartwheels when a guy like the previous poster expresses a DESIRE to come back!!! Or McGuires, Paynes, Daniels, etc. Tradition gets passed down. It must be taught, and learned. Massillon used to be ALL about that. Our biggest assistant hire last year was a hc down in Lexington (?) w/ all the credentials in the world to take over the O-Line. Hows that working out? Probably a fine coach too but... you get the point.


I know my man Hack wants it bad and would give them some discipline and work ethic, BJ would leave LEX to coach the tigers in a heartbeat, Milo McGuire is Dline coach in New jersey and just won a state championship and would come back if he had a teaching job, I just want to find a job paying me my current salary within 25 miles of Massillon and I am there yesterday and would help get them some boot camp love for free!!!!!

All we need is a solid plan,communication, and Networking to find us some employment!!!!!!!!!!

[STING]

The 2005 and 2006 teams played with the current coaches. They lost Coach Studer when they were freshmen (class of 2007) and sophomores (class of 2006). I'm not sure its the coaches that teach the boys "tradition". I'm not sure where it comes from but some got it and some don't--or so it seems. They need to have loyalty to their school and its traditions. There again I'm not sure where it comes from but I don't think its the coaches. I think if a coach was from Massillon maybe he could help instill it but a coach (or anyone) can only talk so much--it has to be something inside the player.

I guess I don't know how to explain it. I'm not from Massillon but my husband is. Bobby was born and raised here and wearing orange and black meant everything to him. He didn't have Coach Studer and none of his other coaches are from Massillon.

Maybe you guys can help a girl understand.

[monte81]

The 2005 and 2006 teams played with the current coaches. They lost Coach Studer when they were freshmen (class of 2007) and sophomores (class of 2006). I'm not sure its the coaches that teach the boys "tradition". I'm not sure where it comes from but some got it and some don't--or so it seems. They need to have loyalty to their school and its traditions. There again I'm not sure where it comes from but I don't think its the coaches. I think if a coach was from Massillon maybe he could help instill it but a coach (or anyone) can only talk so much--it has to be something inside the player.

I guess I don't know how to explain it. I'm not from Massillon but my husband is. Bobby was born and raised here and wearing orange and black meant everything to him. He didn't have Coach Studer and none of his other coaches are from Massillon.

Maybe you guys can help a girl understand.


The thing is the tigers of 2005 and 2006 had so so many brothers and sons of former tiger players and coaches that carried us along way!!! Your husbands family is part of bobby's tradition, 2005--Huffman, Robinson, Scassa, McCall, Gamble, McGuire, James, etc,... grew up watching, hearing about the stories all day growing up---prepared them alittle differant than most players and the leadership rubbed off alittle!!! You cannot imagine the people telling Darion stories about us and my mom(yelling) you have no choice but to perform but you have to work!!! Those same players mentioned above was working out in my basement on 13th St. se before they met Coach Stu--however this is the 1st senior class upcoming that did not have Stu so alot of the "get in here because we are tigers" are probably not echoed everyday!!!! It makes a differance when a player hears stories about their coaches and how they performed, worked hard, and prepared as tigers!!! We need a few X-TIGERS coaching besides Coach Huff an Harig!!!

[OTC TIGER]

Sting...The best analogy I can think of is The Ohio State Buckeyes..
John Cooper could recruit his a$$ off but he seemed to lack that Ohio
mentality of "This is Ohio State and we are going to embrace our tradition"
Coach Jim Tressel comes on board who is an Ohio guy and you can see the
different mentality of the Buckeyes now..Cooper had talent and won some games
but there was something missing, likewise we have an excellent coaching staff
made up of young and veteran guys from different areas as well as Massillon
In conclusion I would say if we could add a coach that has the passion to
coach here AND work here we should look to do so.

I'm not sure who teaches tradition either but I can tell there have been alot of coaches here but a few names come to mind that had that passion for
Massillon Tiger Football Coach Gary Wells, Jim Lectavits, and of course Stu
ask any former player who played for those guys and they will tell it wasn't
how or what they taught it was how came from their Massillon Heart

We need to find that next generation of Massillon Coaches maybe they are
already here :2thumbsup:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Wow!

Reading the responses on here, it seems like the Tigers are in serious trouble before they have played their first game of the 2007 season.

I guess someone better rise up and do something or take a stand on it one way or another.

[Obie Wan]

I guess someone better rise up and do something or take a stand on it one way or another.
"One way or another"? I nominate you to make the case against off-season workouts.

[Dr Strangemind]

I know my man Hack wants it bad and would give them some discipline and work ethic, BJ would leave LEX to coach the tigers in a heartbeat, Milo McGuire is Dline coach in New jersey and just won a state championship and would come back if he had a teaching job, I just want to find a job paying me my current salary within 25 miles of Massillon and I am there yesterday and would help get them some boot camp love for free!!!!!

All we need is a solid plan,communication, and Networking to find us some employment!!!!!!!!!!

The Tiger Nation needs you up here!!

[CarlE]

Bring back Hack.....bring back Hack.....bring back Hack.....bring back Hack.....bring back Hack.....

[MassFan3]

Former tigers on the staff should be MANDATORY every season! Coaches from Gailon, Triway, Michigan,etc,... and any other school not located at 1 Paul Brown Dr. cannot teach a TIGER TO BE A TIGER!!!!!!! Rozier, MCdaniels, etc... the bulldogs keep tradition on the staff no matter who the coach-- you are never to forget who paved the way for you to suit up and play for the best team in the Country!!


There ARE former Tigers on the staff. Would you stop already? You sound like a broken record. Quit making excuses for the players. The coaches can't go in and lift FOR the players - trust me - they probably would if they could. The coaching staff can only motivate so much, and being a former player, I know how true this is. If you don't have the inner drive - then there is no point. You just don't have it. Monte, you should know this, too. You keep pointing fingers at the coaching staff - why not point the fingers at the ones who are supposed to be doing the work? It's called the players. Hey, it's okay Monte! They aren't in kindergarten. They can take being called out in the newspapers. They can take people on here calling them out for not lifting. You and I (and ask your younger brother) know that there just aren't a lot of MASSILLON TIGER football players in the junior class (seniors to be). They don't want to put in the work.

Harrig, Carpenter, Strawder were damn good Tigers in their day. All on staff - Strawder was probably one of the best Massillon WRs ever to come through the program.

[MassFan3]

Soooo, we're just going to teach our kids about tradition? I'd like to think that the coaches are teaching our boys about life, and FOOTBALL. Tradition can be tought from stories from anyone. Coach can (and has done this past year) bring in former Tigers to talk to the team - that's all it takes. I wouldn't want to hire a former Tiger who doesn't know jack about football (and we all on this board think we're Jim Tressel). I want the best coach - the coach who will teach me the most. It's MY JOB, however, as a player, to put in the work and make myself better. Some people on here don't get that. It's all about hiring former Tigers who think they are good coaches because they feel they can motivate someone to lift.:glare:

I LOVE the staff we have now, and trust they will lead the team in the right direction, and hold kids accountable. You heard it here first, there are going to be PLENTY of new faces on the field next season wearing Tiger uniforms - and they're going to be YOUNG! I'd rather have young players who want to work and win then half-@$$ed seniors and juniors who don't care.

[pigskinmccarthy]

Bring back Hack.....bring back Hack.....bring back Hack.....bring back Hack.....bring back Hack.....


:iagree:

[TROCK9901]

There are many ex-tigers on the staff now and in the recent past

[TROCK9901]

Doug Harig, Brian Pachis, Curt Strawder, Jeff Huffman and Desmond Carpenter are all ex-tigers on the current varsity staff. The Freshman staff consists of Tim Menches, Marcus Simpson and Ryan Spicer who were also ex-tigers. When Shepas was the coach he had Rameir Martin, Joe Pierce, Tim Manyon, Jarred Vance, Jeff David, Gary Wells, Jason Woullard, Paul Salvino, Pachis, Huffman and obviously Coach Stu. It seems to me there have been plenty of ex-tigers around to teach tradition over the past few years.

Who should the current staff get rid of to bring in these HOMETOWN Coaches? Kovacs who has a ton of experience as a coordinator (in high school and college), has won a state shampionship at the Div I level and played at Miami of Ohio? Babics who also brings a lot of experience and discipline and is an administrator that can help from that aspect? Palma who does a great job with the DB's, does a ton off the field for his players, is very close with many of the past and present players and will most likely be a head coach in the future? Garcia who does a great job with the LB's, brings toughness to the staff with good experience and a lot of energy and will also most likely be a head coach in the future? Partridge who has been there the longest, year in and year out produces top running backs, and brings great knowledge into the weight room(coach Partridge was Coach Stu's right hand man for years)? All of these coaches are not from Massillon but bring a lot to the program. They all have a great knowledge of the game (all four played four years of college football) and care about our young tigers on and off the field. Now should we eliminate these guys just to bring in more home grown massillon coaches? I don't think so.

I believe all we have to do to correct these weight room poblems is incorporate a tougher policy. When Stu and Shepas were here they had a three strike policy in the offseason that each player had to to sign a contract for. And as an ex-parent I believe that I had to sign it too. If a player had more than three unexcused absences they were penalized and if it became excessive they were eliminated. If a non-winter sport athlete does not want to work out and sweat with their team-mates in the offseason than how good will they be for the team during the season anyway. So I just say eliminate who doesnt want to be there. There are enough good apples that the team doesnt need the bad. I also agree with Mass Fan that you have to put more of the responsibilty on the player. Massillon players should WANT to get bigger and stronger in the weight room. They should not need coaches to force them into coming. My son never had to be told and he made himself into a pretty darn good player. GET RID OF THE BAD APPLES.

[crackerman]

I just got a chance to read this thread. I didnt want to respond but I have 2. This is not anger towards anyone or anything...this is truly heartfelt and honest.
Anyone who posts on here regularly knows that I am a firm believer in Massillon alum being on the staff. With that, let me cover a couple of things. Should all coaches be ex-tigers?....NO. But there are plenty of ex-Tigers who are currently coaching elsewhere that could help this program and if you do not believe that, you are fooling yourself. Hack, and you know this....Hack isn't the only one who tried to come home and have been led elsewhere by not getting the chance.
Hack will be on a staff in Ohio next year, and unfortunatly for him it probably wont be at Massillon. Hopefully he will be coaching with his best friend. Hack, Payne, Dan Studer, Jason Jarvis are all coaches right now off the top of my head who bleed orange, have tried to come back and have not recieved the opportunity in recent years. Salvino, in my opinion, was used as a scapegoat in my opinion, and I do not blame him for going elsewhere. (I know everyone has their own opinions on the issue and save them to yourself).
TROCK you talk about the former players on the Varsity staff...lets look at it realistic...lets look at paid positions...Harrig and Pachis. Huffman, Carpenter, and Strawder are all volunteers this year, please correct me if I am wrong here.
You want to complain about the weight room....hell Massillon could of had the next best thing to Stu, the one who knows that program better than anyone else...his son Dan Studer, but Massillon didnt offer a job, and he is Lb's and Strength Coach at Lexington, he loves it there now and is going no where. 2 seasons ago, they had Jason Jarvis as the asst. stength coach and CB's coach and the speed and core program he implemented did wonders...where is he now? at Lexington coaching DB's and doing the speed development and core program because there was no teaching position for him at Massillon. Where will Hack be next year more than likely? At Lexington coaching.
If you ever wore Massillon across your chest, you know what it means. You know what the McKinley game means (not just that 25,000 people come and it was in Sports Illustrated, or "wow, yeah that game looked cool in GO TIGERS"), you know that if you ever play Niles or Steubenville you stick it up their asses for things from the past. When you are raised a Tiger you know that. Not just "ohhhh yeah, didnt they win 22 state titles at some time". NO! you know what years they won the damn titles...you know who played on those damn teams...and you know that when you step on that field for practice or a game it's Go Time. You grow up hearing stories of Tiger legends and greats. Hell I have never seen the man play personally but I can visually see Mauger running through people by the vivid stories I was told as a kid growing up.
I loved the show when I played, I love to make more out of the game than it was...I was a hot dog, I celebrated, but never once did I ever disrespect the program nor the tradition, not the men that busted their asses to make the program what it was, what it is, or what it will be in the future. I played to make guys like Coach Wells smile. I played to hear Coach Letc tell me good game around town after he retired.
Stop with the you can't make kids lift crap. This is Massillon DAMN IT! It's not an extra-curricular activity...its not an after school activity...its not a some times thing. It's a FREAKIN way of life. If you can't get your lazy ass in the weightroom and lift....get your lazy ass off the couch and go run, then I do not want you associated with the team, program and tradition that I, along with so many before me and after me, gave our hearts to. Get your ass off the team, go to Timken or McKinley were they let that $hit happen, and let someone pat you on the back there and say "it's ok, you dont need to workout, your an athlete". Im sorry but too many people have busted their asses just to wear that jersey, let alone play in a game, let alone be a starter, let alone represent the whole damn town in a game of passion and tradition such as the McKinley game. Hell I coached against Mckinley and had our head coach look at me in pre-game as I stared at their ugly ass bulldog on the sidelines and he said "my GOD, I dont know if I have ever seen that fire in someones eyes before looking at a mascot". My response was simple " I would love to go kick it but I would be ticketed, I would love to put it on a rotesserie but I would be arrested, so tonight we will just kick the $hit out of them". We did, and that night, my players came to me after the game and said they played for me because they knew how I felt towards them.
People who say, you don't need Massillon people in the program...I'm sorry but you don't get it.
Stepping off pedestal now....and if you have a kid on the team right now read this to him, from the 6th paragraph down...the "when you wear Massillon" part. I dont cut corners, I tell it straight and if you dont like it and your kid doesnt like it..... this isn't the City for you anyways. This is the City of Champions!

[Kamd50]

Thanks for making that heartfelt post, Crackerman. Great stuff! It brought a smile to my face and I for one will indeed be saving it for future ref:thumbsup: I know there were many of us who were very disappointed that Dan Studer was not asked to get on board last year. What a shame. I hope that all of the aforementioned coaches will make their way back into the Tiger den someday. It would be an awesome staff.

[TigerDL71]

[QUOTE=crackerman;32852] Stop with the you can't make kids lift crap. This is Massillon DAMN IT! It's not an extra-curricular activity...its not an after school activity...its not a some times thing. It's a FREAKIN way of life. If you can't get your lazy ass in the weightroom and lift....get your lazy ass off the couch and go run, then I do not want you associated with the team, program and tradition that I, along with so many before me and after me, gave our hearts to. Get your ass off the team, go to Timken or McKinley were they let that $hit happen, and let someone pat you on the back there and say "it's ok, you dont need to workout, your an athlete". Im sorry but too many people have busted their asses just to wear that jersey, let alone play in a game, let alone be a starter, let alone represent the whole damn town in a game of passion and tradition such as the McKinley game. Hell I coached against Mckinley and had our head coach look at me in pre-game as I stared at their ugly ass bulldog on the sidelines and he said "my GOD, I dont know if I have ever seen that fire in someones eyes before looking at a mascot". My response was simple " I would love to go kick it but I would be ticketed, I would love to put it on a rotesserie but I would be arrested, so tonight we will just kick the $hit out of them". We did, and that night, my players came to me after the game and said they played for me because they knew how I felt towards them.QUOTE]

as a former player and captain I would just like to say thank you

[longtimefirsttime]

I played to make guys like Coach Wells smile.


He smiles?:laughing: Good post.

[tiger51]

couldn't agree more with the post above....YOU HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T...if you don't want to do it...then you won't do it....I mean I loved off season practice...getting in the gym with the guys and it wasn't as stressful and the coach's worked to make it "FUN" if they could. Stu loved this time of year cause you could see the gains guys were making.....

[crackerman]

One thing I can say about Brian Cross.....and I thought it was a great quote and when it was in the paper, the next time I saw him I told him I respected him for it. When asked why he had brought back so many former McKinley players and added them to his staff....he responded with this. " I can teach these kids about football, and life, and x's and o's. However, only a McKinley alum can teach him about the pride and tradition of McKinley football. I can't teach that, that comes from the heart."

[monte81]

There ARE former Tigers on the staff. Would you stop already? You sound like a broken record. Quit making excuses for the players. The coaches can't go in and lift FOR the players - trust me - they probably would if they could. The coaching staff can only motivate so much, and being a former player, I know how true this is. If you don't have the inner drive - then there is no point. You just don't have it. Monte, you should know this, too. You keep pointing fingers at the coaching staff - why not point the fingers at the ones who are supposed to be doing the work? It's called the players. Hey, it's okay Monte! They aren't in kindergarten. They can take being called out in the newspapers. They can take people on here calling them out for not lifting. You and I (and ask your younger brother) know that there just aren't a lot of MASSILLON TIGER football players in the junior class (seniors to be). They don't want to put in the work.

Harrig, Carpenter, Strawder were damn good Tigers in their day. All on staff - Strawder was probably one of the best Massillon WRs ever to come through the program.

Hahahahahaha!!!!! If you read my posts i have not made 1 excuse for ANY player on the team!! If the CURRENT Coaches cannot motivate the current team then rewrite the team or find some coaches who can get it done!!!!!! Whats so hard to understand about that!!! Just because the coaches you mentioned are not getting Max effort out of the team then maybe they aint cut out to be tiger coaches anymore!!! Bill Parcels is one of best coaches in history--he gets tired and cant get acoss to modern players like he used to---it happens maybe some new blood would be better!!! If you hire token coaches instead of coaches who are gonna work hard then thats a problem!!!Please tell me how much those people mean to the program--- Huffman coached me when I was here and so did Coach Strawder! I played with Carpenter, Menches, and Harig so I know their credentials and ability!! They are not the type of individuals to show alot of emotion as players so why would they go out of character as coaches when they are not that way naturally--i aint slighting noone but a few hard core bodies in there who is going to go all out for the players and the program!! Ask some former players how much they respect the coaches you named????????there are still more suitable coaches for the team out there to add to the program!! If they are such excellant coaches then how come the PLAYERS are not responding to them?????? You cannot sit here and tell me that noone can motivate the kids----thats real funny! You have to grap the bull by the horns not pat them on the back!!!

Good players? do no always equate to good coaching!!!!!!!
Oh, I don't have to ask Darion nothing because i taught him how to be a tiger when he was still pissing his pants---all he had to do his look through our family albums to find real tigers and he was sold for day one!!!!

[CarlE]

Monte81 and Cracka:

These are GREAT posts, and obviously you guys are the ones with the experience and the wherewithall to understand what is going on here and what needs to be done going forward. Don't slow down at all on this thread. We need input from you guys.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

I see the names Harig, Carpenter, and Strawder. What about Mike Silverthorn? He was on the Massillon staff from 1995-97.

[monte81]

Everyone keeps naming former and current tiger coaches that played!! What impact are they having on these kids lives after practice!! Its more than just 3:00 to 5:30pm job-- mentoring--its an all day job!!! Hack, BJ payne, Dan Studer--how could not hire them--- I really am not lobbying for a job but know coaches out there that are former tigers that could do a great job for this program!!! Oh-- Rameir Martin was on the staff and had our Wr's playing great--Stacy got rid of him also!!!

Being a former tiger(noone can question my work ethic) 2 year starter, a retired Army SGT. I know how to motivate kids/young adults and it is not happening in the tiger program with the current arrangement of players and coaches----maybe we should fire them all!!!

Stacy coached Pierce and never asked him to stay!!!! Now he could possibly be at a DI college coaching DB's next season--- he was not good enough for Massillon????? Jarvis continued where Shep and Pierce left off in conditioning but after he left--- we were really slow after the abandonment of the West Virgina program this past season!!! Who better to replace Stu but his son but he was not good enough for massillon either!!! BJ Payne is a Head Coach right now and is turning around a program but was not good enough for the tigers staff either! The list gos on and on!!! I really do not understand but I do know its the program, players, and coaches fault collectively and we need to fix it fast!!!!!

Who wants a coach running around with McKinley tatoos coaching a Massillon kid---great coach but knows @hit about being a tiger!!!!!!!!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

monte81,

If I'm thinking about who you might be referring to.........

[sly4458]

hey guys our new super has an open door policy. and he would welcome ideas. coach stacy is doing the correct things and is working his tail off. it would be great to have another studer in our weight room. i wold love to see that. jarvis would also be a good one. but it comes down to the SCHOOL BOARD ehhhhhhhhh some of them have to goooooooooo..... they hire the people.
i for one like coach stacy. very glad that he is here. so its a combination of things. i think we have some kids who want it bad. our center is one of them. he has worked his damn butt off. and there are others. but some just dont care. as i said we have cell phone texting going on at sideliners, before and after games. so how bad is that. shouldnt even be thinking about that when its football time.
so it still comes down to RULES, DEDICATION, HEART, AND DESIRE to be the best football player, and responsable student athlete that you can. ill take a player with heart and desire over the more talented kid who could care less. and we do have some of those. still comes down to DEDICATION and i see that slipping away. starts at home.

[crackerman]

Who wants a coach running around with McKinley tatoos coaching a Massillon kid---great coach but knows @hit about being a tiger!!!!!!!!

kinda like reading a report on a website such as this by a McK alum.:Oo:

[crackerman]

no no no....dont put it on the school board. They do hire...but they hire based on the recomendations of principals, superintendents and in Massillon...the Head football coach. Dont switch this to the board of ed.

[OTC TIGER]

What about Mike Silverthorn? He was on the Massillon staff from 1995-97


What about Silverthorn...he coached at McKinley on the '98 title team
Now the A.D. at Alliance

[monte81]

hey guys our new super has an open door policy. and he would welcome ideas. coach stacy is doing the correct things and is working his tail off. it would be great to have another studer in our weight room. i wold love to see that. jarvis would also be a good one. but it comes down to the SCHOOL BOARD ehhhhhhhhh some of them have to goooooooooo..... they hire the people.
i for one like coach stacy. very glad that he is here. so its a combination of things. i think we have some kids who want it bad. our center is one of them. he has worked his damn butt off. and there are others. but some just dont care. as i said we have cell phone texting going on at sideliners, before and after games. so how bad is that. shouldnt even be thinking about that when its football time.
so it still comes down to RULES, DEDICATION, HEART, AND DESIRE to be the best football player, and responsable student athlete that you can. ill take a player with heart and desire over the more talented kid who could care less. and we do have some of those. still comes down to DEDICATION and i see that slipping away. starts at home.


If Stacy lets players have cell phones on the team bus--thats a knock on him--he sets the rules and should discipline every tiger who violates the rules!! Your dedication at home is to get your school work completed, respect your parents, and love each other!! Dedication to your team starts with the coaches being dedicated to the program and identifing the players who need to be released from the program and he should hold his coaches responsible for their actions as well!!! Team--players and coaches make up the team and all must put in the proper dedication!!! The kids that you say want it bad should be all over the players who are slacking and dont let up!!!

I was stabbed my jr. year in April cutting all my tendons in my hand--missed the rest of the school year and went from 205lbs. to around 173 in the hospital for 2/3 weeks. I got my cast off 2 months before practice started!! I was in the gym everyday with my team even though i was not in school(home tutor) and the day i got the cast off I called Jason Stafford to meet me at the gym(brace still on) and started getting right back-- coaches were tripping because i lost weight and strentgh but still worked out all day!!! A great season with double digit sacks and a ride to UC--I know about self motivation-- Dr. Erickson told me I would NEVER play linebacker again and maybe lose use of my hand 4ever--I guess I beat the odds!!! Coach Wells, Lec, James, Mr. Sonny Spielman and all my teammates was at my hospital room and came by the house everyday to check on me---they were dedicated to me and I repayed them with dedication to my team--not that it was ever questioned anyway!!!
Coaches and players DO NOT show dedication to the program like they shoud anymore thats why we are writing/reading this thread--if the TEAM were solid on the players and coaches end i or anyone else could question anyone in the program!!!

A tiger player should never miss a meeting, practice, or workout if he calls himself a true tiger!!!

[OTC TIGER]

Regarding Sideliners..The players should be required to wear polo type shirts
to dinner..I look at the sideliner dinner as eating out with your family and should be dressed accordingly..this would promote team unity as well as disipline..It was this way 10 years ago..I might add most Sideliners still wear
some form of a sideliner shirt

[monte81]

Regarding Sideliners..The players should be required to wear polo type shirts
to dinner..I look at the sideliner dinner as eating out with your family and should be dressed accordingly..this would promote team unity as well as disipline..It was this way 10 years ago..I might add most Sideliners still wear
some form of a sideliner shirt

Bottom line is players direspect the coaches and tradition and our coaches let this stuff happen! We played Cleveland St. Joe's my junior year and Steve Sigenthaler and I had on white letterman jackets and Coach Lectivits would not let us board the bus until we changed into our orange letterman coats!! Togetherness and unity--sideliner dinners we were all wearing the same orange, white, or black polo shirt--we picked a color every week but had to wear polos to school on game day as well!!!!! DISCIPLINE IS GONE and that is a shame on us, the city, and the Massillon program!!

I 'm done with this thread but hope that we get it right before August because i wouldn't want a few players or coaches mess up another championship run because they have no control or heart!!!!:wall:

[Kamd50]

I strongly agree with other's views about dressing in an appropriate manner that promotes unity and discipline. Back in the day, the players used to wear jackets to school on game days and at other public functions. You could almost feel the sense of pride they took in sporting those clothes; like a man in a well-fitted suit. Then they did away with those and went to white shirts and ties with dress pants, then just to any shirt and tie. And now I see at the McK rally, for example, the guys wore their jerseys with any old pair of baggy sloppy looking blue jeans they owned. I hate the way that looks for a rally. Look for yourself at Joe Nagy's pics of the rally this past year on his website. http://www.photoobie.com/Folder.asp?Folder=13
It just doesn't project a proud or disciplined image, IMO.

It's the same kind of thing you see in church these days. So many kids, and even adults, show up in jeans and think it is perfectly acceptable. Mine get mad at me sometimes because I expect them to dress appropriately to show respect for where they are at. It's a sad sign of the times and it is up to parents and coaches and others in authority to not let these kind of things slip away and become just another thing of the past.

[TigerDL71]

with the dress, i think that the players should all be required to wear the same thing at sideliner dinners a polo shirt and a nice pair of pants, not allowed to wear whatever they want, most players there are more concerened about"looking good" rather then about being a team, you can see it when certain guys play on friday nights too, more concerned about looking good, it should be about respecting what you have one and being a team, it should be all about respecting the massillon tigers

and when i read this freaking article about the players not getting to work outs it beyond ticks me off,first off the workouts that stacy has aren't even that hard, i remember coming home after winter workouts and just wanting to sit there and do nothing because i was spent form bust my balls at practice that day, they come home now like they hardly did anything, i played massillon tiger football and i never once missed anything dealing with football and when there wasn't anything with football I would do stuff on my own, i even played sports during the winter where i shouldn't be at winter workouts but i went to all of them pretty much, the only ones i misses was when i was in the tournament for my sport and had to miss, heck the days i had a meet of some sort and couldn't lift i would ask coach stu if i could come in during school and lift, if you can't get your lazy but to workouts then personally i don't want your but on the team, i don't want you representing everything that i did and people in the past have done to make this program what it is today with the tradition that it has, everytime i read crap like this in the paper it has been a slap in the face and there has been a lot of other things that have been a slap in the face going out lately that i just won't elaborate on, i played for coach shepas and i know a lot of people didn't agree with everything he did and i know a lot of people hated the guy but thats not the point, he wouldn't let us do crap like this, he busted our a@@ in the weight room and we worked hard, he wasn't going to let the tradition and the program suffer under his watch,talking to him he knew a lot of the traditions that took place here and i really beleived he respected them, i know that he did because of how hard he made us work to get where we were

monte mentioned coach pierce and about him not being anymore, its funny that monte mentions him about because i will never forget a speach he gave to the team freshmen year in the lockerroom, it was halftime of a game and he gave a very inspiring speach about what it ment to him to be a tiger and what it takes to be a tiger, it will be something that i will never forget and after going through the program under him and coach studer i can say that i share the same feelings as he did that day, i never had anyone aorund me go through the program before to really understand what it is like to be a tiger and what it takes, my dad played for football but he played for the fairless falcons but i think stories from him about what it was like at fairless motivated me to be something more then that, what really taught me though was the likes of the upper classment that we ahead of me and coach studer and coach pierce

i will be honest that right now i am digusted about how things are going with this program, i didn't go to any games last season i was soo digusted about things, i hear things that go on from a player currently on the team and it ticks me off, i would love to go down to the school and just shake them players and hope they realize what they are doing and what oppertunity they have right now, if i could give up everything i own to go back and play massillon tiger football with my teammates again i would do it in a heartbeat, i know i have passed what i learned on to my brother and i hope he is starting to understand what it takes to be a TRUE MASSILLON TIGER, until then i hope this crap gets fixed or else the only reason why i will be coming back to games anymore is to watch my brother play and thats it

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Kamd50,

I'm a big person on proper dress and professionalism. The way a person dresses is I think in my opinion is how they are defined to an extent.

My mother and father are the big reasons as to why I wear suits and ties wherever I go. I always get pointers from my dad and some of his other friends on how to improve my image wherever I go.

The image of a person is what I think reflects of them as a person. I credit you for reinforcing the importance of acceptable dress to your children. It will go a long way in helping them.

[OTC TIGER]

Just a couple of years ago David Stern, the NBA Commish required that
players wear at least a sport coat when traveling from games...I don't
think it to much to ask of our team to look professional during the season

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

OTC Tiger,

I back David Joel Stern's stance on players dressing professionally. Not that I should add this but before the Massillon-Villa Angela-St. Joseph basketball game, Massillon basketball players wore black suits and orange ties and dress shoes.

I was emphatically impressed when I saw those young men dressed professionally. Coach Stacy has had players in shirts and ties before the Tiger Walk. I have leads backing this for sure.

[Hack]

I don't know when I will return to Massillon and we can debate about former Tigers coaching all that you want, But, I will be home someday and I don't give a ---- who likes it or doesn't!:TIG2: