Massillon Tradition Threatened

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Tiger tradition threatened
By JOE SHAHEEN


Joe.Shaheen@IndeOnline.com


It’s a concept that is difficult to grasp for any longtime Massillon Tiger fan.



When the 2007-2008 school year begins a year from now, Massillon will no longer be a Division I football school. That does not necessarily mean the Tigers won’t compete for the Division I state championship.



The Ohio High School Athletic Association in June revamped its divisional breakdowns, based on the recommendation of an OHSAA Blue Ribbon Subcommittee comprised of OHSAA staff and district athletic board members along with superintendents, principals and athletic administrators.



In football, Division I will be made up of the top 10 percent of all schools (based on student population) and will number around 72 programs. This formula will in all likelihood push Massillon down to Division II and is intended to level the playing field between schools such as Mentor (1,348 boys) and Massillon (584 boys), which happen to play in Week Five of the 2006 football season.



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[DAWGH8R]

Tradition is not earned/gained in a day,a month , a week or a year.

It has taken a LIFETIME to become the MASSILLON TIGERS!!! No matter where FATE takes us, our TRADITION will always be the measuring stick.

No one will ever, although they always try, emulate the proud, rich tradition that is the MASSILLON TIGER FOOTBALL PROGRAM.

Let's worry about controlling the things we can, ie., scheduling , practicing, discipline, strong work ethic, commitment and devotion, and let the intangibles fall where they may.

MASSILLON ALWAYS................

[PurpleArmy]

So what's the cutoff student population number to be a D1 school?

[Kamd50]

It's the top 10% of schools, according to population, not a specific cutoff number.

And for once in my life, I have to admit that I agree with Al Hennon! As is apparant, most of the posters on MP have demonstrated so far.

Oh yea, and who was it on the other thread that said something to the effect that they doubted that the OHSAA took Massillon into particular consideration when they made the decision to allow schools to opt up:rock:


“When we discussed all of this, we thought of Massillon,” said OHSAA assistant commissioner Duane Warns. “So we have what we sort of call ‘The Massillon Rule.’ Any school that wants to play up (to Division I) will have that option.

Looks like Massillon is held in higher esteem by the OHSAA than a few on here thought.

[GrowlingTiger87]

I stand corrected from a post I made on another thread. Apparently, they do have something they called "a Massillon Rule", and that they were thinking of Massillon when they were formulating these rule changes. Again, I stand corrected.

[Red50Go]

Nice post DAWGH8R.

What a ridiculous headline by Shaheen. Hennnon must have spoon fed him that one. Funny how applying to the Fed didn't "threaten" our tradition. What else threatens our tradition Joe? 4-6 seasons? No playoff titles?

As for OHSAA proclaiming "the Massillon Rule", thanks for singling us out guys. I suppose now our decision has been made for us already or we'll look pretty stupid.

You know what? Whatever. I am born & bred here, diehard, booster, orangeman, 35 year season tic holder, and will be to my grave - win or lose! Fed or not. D1 or D2. No matter who coaches. Etc. Period! It aint a bargaining chip. And that seems to be more than several others can say.

[GrowlingTiger87]

Nice post DAWGH8R.

What a ridiculous headline by Shaheen. Hennnon must have spoon fed him that one. Funny how applying to the Fed didn't "threaten" our tradition. What else threatens our tradition Joe? 4-6 seasons? No playoff titles?

As for OHSAA proclaiming "the Massillon Rule", thanks for singling us out guys. I suppose now our decision has been made for us already or we'll look pretty stupid.

You know what? Whatever. I am born & bred here, diehard, booster, orangeman, 35 year season tic holder, and will be to my grave - win or lose! Fed or not. D1 or D2. No matter who coaches. Etc. Period! It aint a bargaining chip. And that seems to be more than several others can say.

You have the right attitude, without a doubt. Orange and Black 'till I die!

[xtiger]

Oh yea, and who was it on the other thread that said something to the effect that they doubted that the OHSAA took Massillon into particular consideration when they made the decision to allow schools to opt up:rock:

“When we discussed all of this, we thought of Massillon,” said OHSAA assistant commissioner Duane Warns. “So we have what we sort of call ‘The Massillon Rule.’ Any school that wants to play up (to Division I) will have that option.

Looks like Massillon is held in higher esteem by the OHSAA than a few on here thought.





Post by xtiger
07-31-2006, 10:46 AM


Just a thought.....Did OHSAA allow for the adjustment up, because:

1) They knew Massillon would want to play D1.
2) Without it, Massillon would dominate D2.

Just a thought!

[CarlE]

Red50Go:

What a great post and what a great analogy. I want to make sure that Good Old Joe writes a very similar article the next time the dead horse known as joining the Fed rears its ugly head. I know of about 50 posters here on MP.com that would be ECSTATIC to contribute to that article!! Right guys?

[Kamd50]

LOL. GT, you are a good man! I actually had some other posters in mind whom DON'T think it is a big deal or a step backwards for Massillon to play D2. Massillon is THAT big of a deal in Ohio with a national reputation that not only needs to retain its pride, but must be protected as well for the future, long after all of us are gone. Otherwise, we WILL be that team that when spoken about will have said of us "oh yes, Massillon isn't that that team that "used" to be a D1 powerhouse?" And none of us will be around to defend it or too senile to! Some of you can say "yea right..yadda yadda, but you are just fooling yourselves. And others of you seem to be flipflopping like wild. One minute saying "hell no" to D2 and the next pumping up posters that think that D2 would be the way to go, trying to stay on the good side of everybody and make everyone happy.:stars: However, I cannot recall one single poster who implied that they would not support the Massillon team regardless of what happens. I don't know where that came from, unless it was just assumed. Many, many of us are 30,35,years plus season ticket holders and bleed orange and black. That is not a fact that is exclusive to a small few.

[Kamd50]

And X, my guess is that both of your thoughts are very likely 2 of the top reasons why they chose to take into consideration the so-called "Massillon rule" when making that decision. And some say there are other reasons as well.

[Red50Go]

And X, my guess is that both of your thoughts are very likely 2 of the top reasons why they chose to take into consideration the so-called "Massillon rule" when making that decision. And some say there are other reasons as well.

I would have to agree, especially w/ reason #2. I think you'd have alot of peeved off schools if Massillon "went Iggy" on D2 for the next 10 years. :ohno:

[Al.]

And X, my guess is that both of your thoughts are very likely 2 of the top reasons why they chose to take into consideration the so-called "Massillon rule" when making that decision. And some say there are other reasons as well.

…and the OHSAA devil’s advocates will also say that if Massillon decides to go to DI and the past 35 year history continues to repeat itself…..”Well, we gave you the opportunity.”

We will be subject to criticism regardless until we get that monkey off. :scratchchin:

[DAWGH8R]

It's gonna be a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

No matter what pans out, we'll probably be in the pickle barrel!

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[Al.]

No matter what pans out, we'll probably be in the pickle barrel!

Sweet or Dill :huh:

[Kamd50]

That's true Al., but it is also true that when we do get that monkey off of our back, they will just find other reasons to criticize. That will never end. But I would rather live with that scenario rather than having our rivals, especially Mck, mock and taunt us relentlessly if we were to play for a D2 title. Especially if they would win a D1 and we would win the D2, we would get nothing but grief being compared to them and everyone knows it. And I realize that some say "who cares what our rivals/neighbors say"...etc. Well, with that kind of attitude, why even care what reporters, polls, coaches, fans, magazines, etc. etc. say? Of course you care about what your rivals say! That is what helps fuel the fire and get things heated up and makes the rivalries so exciting to see who gets bragging rights for the next year, for example, as to who gets to bring the bell home!

[CarlE]

If any of you have ever been over to McKinley's website in the forums, especially the "War of 1894" Forum you will know EXACTLY what kamd50 is talking about. We get absolutely anihilated over there for never having won a title on the field, and our empty D1 Championship trophy case. Now throw this debacle on top of it and we don't have a damn prayer of surviving. This is getting ridiculous and I am SURE the powers that be will not let it happen. Enough of this insanity.

[DAWGH8R]

And,........................what if there was no "Massillon rule" ????

Then would it be shameful to win the DII title ???

The Massillon rule is a double edged sword. Almost forces us to "play up".

If we didn't , we would look like we were ducking the competition. They really got us where they want us.

They don't want us to win a TITLE, period. So, they tempt us to play for the DI title, which we have never won, all the while discouraging us from playing for the DII title, which has less competition.

Brilliant move on their part. They know we will play up.

Teams like Stuebenville, just took their medicine, and played in the division they were assigned. They have won titles, playing with LIKE SCHOOLS, and they deserve every one !!

[Red50Go]

Kamd50, if Mck won D1 and Massillon won D2 the only thing that would matter is who won in week 10. Thats usually the case every year regardless. In fact, we could definitely call ourselves the top team in Ohio if we won the D2 title, and defeated the D1 champ along the way. How embarrassing for THEM not us.

As far as ridicule. I bet Mckinley hopes and PRAYS we opt up, rather than lose to a D2 team, or see us win ANY titles, let alone multiple. Besides, if you want to shut up EVERY Mck fan then I suppose we need 4 D1 titles if thats important enough for you.

[CarlE]

Really? Then instead of being able to get vengeance in week 12 we would have to wait 51 freaking weeks, AND have to listen to the emptiness of a DII title from them, AND have to listen to all that trailer-trash s**t they give over there. No thanks.

One more thing. J mentioned "teams like Steubenville". Sorry guys. We are NOT like Steubenville or anybody else. WE ARE FREAKING MASSILLON.

[liner]

.......i thought the first "massillon rule" was to ban live mascots from playoff games..i would call this "massillon rule #2"

[DAWGH8R]

Before it's over, they'll probably have a Massillon Chapter !!

[CarlE]

Before it's over, they'll probably have a Massillon Chapter !!
I assure you that although it is covert they already DO have a Massillon chapter. Ha Ha.

[Kamd50]

Wow, you act as if I am way off base and that I am in the minority here! I also believe that it has been said by you and a few others that "it's all about the kids, and it's what best for the kids". Well, as has been posted by some of the kids and others who speak for them (namely some of their parents and sibs), and by way of asking them, the overwhelming majority of kids, present, future, and in the the not-so-far past, do NOT want to play for a Div 2 title. They are not merely interested in holding up any old trophy, they want that D1. And in my opinion, in reality, we would not be playing "up". We would simply be staying put where we have been all along!

[Kamd50]

I assure you that although it is covert they already DO have a Massillon chapter. Ha Ha.
Damn right, CarlE!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

It would pain me deeply if Massillon moved to Division II. Believe me, the Tigers are in the running year in and year out for that coveted Division I title. In case anyone forgot, they were the ONLY team to stand up to the vaunted Cincinnati St. Xavier Bombers all season!

Massillon also knocked off two undefeated teams late last season. They have a seven-game winning streak at home. They defeated Cleveland St. Ignatius for their first win over the Wildcats.

All of this at Division I. Last season, Massillon showed they were the toughest team in Stark County. They proved it! They proved it!! They showed that they were the tougher football team!!!

All of this at the big school level I restate!

I would willingly go to bat to keep Massillon at Division I!

[CarlE]

Yes, my friend. They were FORCEFUL last season. FORCEFUL!!:obiefanfire:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Yes, my friend. They were FORCEFUL last season. FORCEFUL!!:obiefanfire:

When you look back at Massillon's 13 wins...they won by using force while beating teams that led with intimidation, invincibility, brute strength, and so on.

If there was a video game right now titled "OHSAA Division I Head Coach", Tom Stacy deserves to have his picture on the cover!

[Red50Go]

Opinions are never off-base Kamb50. And I do think yours is the majority opinion. But I think there are viewpoints to consider on boths sides. Yes I want whats best for the kids. But the same point was made regarding the Fed that most kids WANT to play Jackson, Perry, Hoover, etc. Heck, if you ask them and they had a choice we'd be the only HS team in the Big Ten.

I suppose there will be a poll on it sooner or later here or in the Inde.

[TigerCoach]

I think you guys are making too much of this. I think Smitty stated it before, the OHSAA just wants to shut us up.

[Kamd50]

"I think Smitty stated it before, the OHSAA just wants to shut us up."
Whether this is true or not, the fact that we will have to make a choice to play D1 or D2 after this season, exists, and is an issue and obviously stirs deep emotion amongst ALL of us here on MassillonProud that are passionate about Massillon football and its tradition, whether we agree or not.

[DAWGH8R]

And with the "choice",....we can't complain or "blame" anyone for the outcome.

Very sneaky!!

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[TigerLily]

You can look at this as -- is the glass half full or is the glass half empty”. I prefer to look at it as a positive. We should feel good that OSHAA thinks so much of us that there is a “Massillon Rule”. Other schools in our same situation should thank us that we carry enough clout with the history of our program to allow this opportunity to stay DI.

Demographics and economics have changed around here in the past years. And for now, so have the rules. Under the present status of number of students in the school, this is as much as we can ask for.

The “Tradition” can and will live on…… Tigers Forever!!

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[Kamd50]

I choose not to "blame" anyone outside of our organization when it comes to losing a game, other than our own mistakes, bad play-calling, and so forth. It just isn't the sporting thing to do. Barring, deliberate bad calls by the officials, which is a whole other discussion, IMO.

[Smitty]

I choose not to "blame" anyone outside of our organization when it comes to losing .... deliberate bad calls by the officials, which is a whole other discussion, IMO.

OH? :doh:

Well... who you YOU blame for the 2000 playoff fiasco (vs Marion Harding)?

Referee Don Walker? ... Or the group that signed his pay-check??






As long as OHHSAA runs the tournament, it'll NEVER be fair & impartial.

[mbaldwin3]

Playing for a DIV 2 title would just make all these people in canton laugh at us more. Going to Div. 2 would be horrible

[xtiger]

Playing for a DIV 2 title would just make all these people in canton laugh at us more. Going to Div. 2 would be horrible

Don't worry about Canton fans, I doubt if they'll get to the big dance anytime
soon. And, If we do play D2, that Championship Trophy will be priceless!

Since when do we base our esteem around what Canton fans think anyhow??

If Canton were in our shoes, I'm not positive they'd stay D1. Just look how
fast they JUMPED in the Federal League!!

[obie0130]

even if we do go DII, we certainly aren't going to just show up and be handed a trophy. it seems that maybe some of us feel that is what would happen.

[Fats]

One more time MASSILLON is a Division I program. We have proven that.
It was great to hear an administration person saying that we are a DIv. I program and Massillon will play DIv. I.
WE ARE MASSILLON

[xtiger]

One more time MASSILLON is a Division I program. We have proven that.
It was great to hear an administration person saying that we are a DIv. I program and Massillon will play DIv. I.
WE ARE MASSILLON
Hennon has no say in the matter.......He's going, going, gone!

[obie0130]

i'm not saying that we are a DII program. clearly, we are DI. it's just that some of those who are talking about the possibility are acting as if we would easily dominate it.

[Kamd50]

If and when a ref makes a bad call, I am gonna blame the ref. That is, of course, unless there is any actual bonifide "proof" that he was indeed paid off:doh: I am of the belief that it could have very well happened that during a certain period that some refs may have made deliberate calls in favor of our opponents, although I certainly can't sit here and claim that as a fact. Nor, would I accredit someone other than the refs themselves for doing so. Again, unless someone could produce some proof.

[xtiger]

If and when a ref makes a bad call, I am gonna blame the ref. That is, of course, unless there is any actual bonifide "proof" that he was indeed paid off:doh: I am of the belief that it could have very well happened that during a certain period that some refs may have made deliberate calls in favor of our opponents, although I certainly can't sit here and claim that as a fact. Nor, would I accredit someone other than the refs themselves for doing so. Again, unless someone could produce some proof.
Any football fan with half a brain would figure out it was fixed! I think
we had 13 holding penalties, and were ironically called when Marion needed help! Especially that last call! As Zwick broke the plane of the goal line,
the zebra pulled his flag out from 50 miles away!

The last flag of the game made Claire Muscarro VERY happy!

[Red50Go]

i'm not saying that we are a DII program. clearly, we are DI. it's just that some of those who are talking about the possibility are acting as if we would easily dominate it.

I agree. Its not like we are great every year, and w/ Coffman, Brookhaven, Anderson, St. Johns, among others who occasionally are pretty darn good dropping from 1 to 2, in addition to what already exists in D2, I think we win 3 state titles every 10 years. Which I think is a more accurate (albeit greedy) reflection of our kids, coaches, facilities, fans, and overall great program.

[Kamd50]

Well, that's cool, X. I resent the reference that I apparantly, according to you, must not have a brain. But, to say that you know for certain, as a fact, that Claire Muscarro paid those refs off, is nothing short of law-suit :thanx:

I would like to hear from the referees that we have here on MP, concerning their opinions. I know there are quite a few of them. Just for curiousity's sake.

[Al.]

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[npaflas]

Will we have to play divison2 teams or can we still keep scheduling the divison1:no1:

[TigerCoach]

Well, that's cool, X. I resent the reference that I apparantly, according to you, must not have a brain. But, to say that you know for certain, as a fact, that Claire Muscarro paid those refs off, is nothing short of law-suit :thanx:

I would like to hear from the referees that we have here on MP, concerning their opinions. I know there are quite a few of them. Just for curiousity's sake.

I highly doubt they were paid off, but I agree with x, the last flag made the OHSAA happy. Based on the concepts of officiating, that last holding call against the Tigers was not needed. There was no "advantage" gained by the Tigers nor was Marion Harding put at a "disadvantage". It had no effect on the outcome of the play. We should hang Don Walker's balls from the goalpost.

[Obie Wan]

Again, unless someone could produce some proof.
What she said. :thumbsup:

[Al.]

We should hang Don Walker's balls from the goalpost.

I believe they are now six feet underground. RIP

[DAWGH8R]

Sometimes ones own personal agenda is worth more than ANY payoff !!!

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[ChronicTiger]

Will we have to play divison2 teams or can we still keep scheduling the divison1:no1:

you can play anyone you want......

[Smitty]

Sometimes ones own personal agenda is worth more than ANY payoff !!!....

True; and we KNOW that certain members of the OHHSAA administrative office (now retired) had an anti-Massillon agenda.

[xtiger]

Well, that's cool, X. I resent the reference that I apparantly, according to you, must not have a brain. But, to say that you know for certain, as a fact, that Claire Muscarro paid those refs off, is nothing short of law-suit :thanx:

I never said you didn't have a brain.....And I never said anyone was paid off!:hug:

[xtiger]

What she said. :thumbsup:

Were you even at that game??

[obiefan]

Jeez folks... Chill... We are still going to play up...

All these conspiracy theories are really getting on my nerves.

I want all those who are calling foul to buck up and show proof!

Everyone knows why this is happening. Tiger Don outlined it. there's about 15 teams just outright dominating Div 1. Fortunately we are one of them. Massillon is the exception in Div 1. We're one of the smaller schools on the D1-D2 line. We still can compete. The majority nearing that line cannot!

This WASNT meant to mess with us... It was meant to circumvent the 1,500 boys vs 562 boys schools. Of course 9 out of 10 times the 1,500 school is going to come out on top.

Now let's talk about this like adults with level heads.... Or this thread should close like all the other conspiracy posts... :argue:

[Obie Wan]

Were you even at that game??
Why would that matter? The issue is if there is any proof that one or more refs were paid off. I don't really see how it makes any difference at all if I was there, or you were there, or if Claire Muscaro was there.

These conspiracy theories are generally moronic, and without a shred of supporting evidence. It seems that people are most likely mistaking incompetence for malice. Was it a bad call? If you say so. Was it called with malicious premeditation? There isn't one bit of evidence to support that.

If we hadn't converted that 3rd and 30 against St. Ed last year, I swear some of you people would be saying that the refs deliberately ignored Huth's attempt to call a TO. Really, it does neither the school, the city, nor the program any good to continually air these crackpot theories. It makes us look like a bunch of crybabies. And crybabies don't belong in DI.

[obiefan]

Post of the year! :rockon:

Why would that matter? The issue is if there is any proof that one or more refs were paid off. I don't really see how it makes any difference at all if I was there, or you were there, or if Claire Muscaro was there.

These conspiracy theories are generally moronic, and without a shred of supporting evidence. It seems that people are most likely mistaking incompetence for malice. Was it a bad call? If you say so. Was it called with malicious premeditation? There isn't one bit of evidence to support that.

If we hadn't converted that 3rd and 30 against St. Ed last year, I swear some of you people would be saying that the refs deliberately ignored Huth's attempt to call a TO. Really, it does neither the school, the city, nor the program any good to continually air these crackpot theories. It makes us look like a bunch of crybabies. And crybabies don't belong in DI.

[xtiger]

Why would that matter? The issue is if there is any proof that one or more refs were paid off. I don't really see how it makes any difference at all if I was there, or you were there, or if Claire Muscaro was there.

These conspiracy theories are generally moronic, and without a shred of supporting evidence. It seems that people are most likely mistaking incompetence for malice. Was it a bad call? If you say so. Was it called with malicious premeditation? There isn't one bit of evidence to support that.

If we hadn't converted that 3rd and 30 against St. Ed last year, I swear some of you people would be saying that the refs deliberately ignored Huth's attempt to call a TO. Really, it does neither the school, the city, nor the program any good to continually air these crackpot theories. It makes us look like a bunch of crybabies. And crybabies don't belong in DI.

We will probably never know the truth on what happened. However, those
that follow football and were witness to that game, interpreted(myself included) foul play, stench, manipulation by Don Walker and others.
I see better games being called at our Boy's Club Flag League!

What's funny is that the Tigers were cleared of any recruiting violations
by beating Claire Muscarro in court! Then the following week, 15-16 total
penalties were called against Massillon..........And the last one was called
15 seconds after it supposedly happened. As Justin Zwick crosses the goal
line for the win. Out comes a flag 50yds away!

I'm not sure if money passed hands, but retaliation did ! Just my opionion
and I'm sticking with it!:thanx:

[DAWGH8R]

I'm with X. The last 3 minutes of that game , were not called unbiasly.

[ChronicTiger]

We will probably never know the truth on what happened. However, those
that follow football and were witness to that game, interpreted(myself included) foul play, stench, manipulation by Don Walker and others.
I see better games being called at our Boy's Club Flag League!

What's funny is that the Tigers were cleared of any recruiting violations
by beating Claire Muscarro in court! Then the following week, 15-16 total
penalties were called against Massillon..........And the last one was called
15 seconds after it supposedly happened. As Justin Zwick crosses the goal
line for the win. Out comes a flag 50yds away!

I'm not sure if money passed hands, but retaliation did ! Just my opionion
and I'm sticking with it!:thanx:

15 seconds??

:wtf:

[xtiger]

15 seconds??

:wtf:

How's 14.5 seconds? LOL

[longtimefirsttime]

Coach Stacy says the issue is a tough one:
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[xtiger]

Coach Stacy says the issue is a tough one:
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This should keep the pot stirred another week! LOL

[Obie Wan]

"Allow me to expand on the question without going too deeply into an answer."

[longtimefirsttime]

"Allow me to expand on the question without going too deeply into an answer."

I understand what you're saying. But the start of the 2006 season is 16 days away. The issue will still be here at the end of the season. Why not focus on winning another D-1 state title first, then worry about it? Although he will have strong input, his "bosses" are going to have the final say and I'm sure he doesn't want to appear to "undermine their authority" by commenting now. Let's just enjoy this season, maybe let a few other programs and fans worry about what the Tigers are going to do and start working on the other stuff the day after the Tigers D-1 championship party.

[Al.]

He may be "a boss" after a certain retirement happens :scratchchin:

[DAWGH8R]

Probably the best advice, play the '06 season. We can worry about the DII thing over the winter!!

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[xtiger]

I understand what you're saying. But the start of the 2006 season is 16 days away. The issue will still be here at the end of the season. Why not focus on winning another D-1 state title first, then worry about it? Although he will have strong input, his "bosses" are going to have the final say and I'm sure he doesn't want to appear to "undermine their authority" by commenting now. Let's just enjoy this season, maybe let a few other programs and fans worry about what the Tigers are going to do and start working on the other stuff the day after the Tigers D-1 championship party.


I agree with LTFT!!:iagree:

[BigTime]

I understand what you're saying. But the start of the 2006 season is 16 days away. The issue will still be here at the end of the season. Why not focus on winning another D-1 state title first, then worry about it? Although he will have strong input, his "bosses" are going to have the final say and I'm sure he doesn't want to appear to "undermine their authority" by commenting now. Let's just enjoy this season, maybe let a few other programs and fans worry about what the Tigers are going to do and start working on the other stuff the day after the Tigers D-1 championship party.

Can our moderators help? So what do you think of a an offical moratorium on the subject until after week 15?

Time to focus on the HERE and NOW!

GO TIGERS!:trophy:

[monte81]

We have the power to win the DI title this year-- so I feel we the fans, team, and coaches concentrate on that right now! the 2006 season is here! "The Massillon Rule"-- seems like we have a little respect or is it disrespect for our greatness! Without a DI title to date we still are feared and respected by the teams we play-- in any division! If we win it this year we will look scared if we dont opt to play DI in 2007- if we lose this year we still will look scared if we opt for DII!!! Lets just play football the MASSILLON WAY and let the chips fall where they may!!!

[xtiger]

I say "let's go out in style and win the D1 State Championship", then
let the chips fall where they may!

Let's focus on the 2006 Tiger season!!!!

[TigerLily]

I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE!! LET’S JUST GO PLAY SOME FOOTBALL!!
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[DAWGH8R]

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Let's PLAY ball !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Seeker]

Can our moderators help? sO What Do you think of a an offical moratorium on the subject until after week 15?

Time to focus on the HERE and NOW!

GO TIGERS!:trophy:

For me personally, I feel that it would be presumptuous to make that decision on behalf of the members.
Maybe we should vote?

If I recall correctly, some of the mods decided to kill the fed discussion last year.
Is this the same type of thing?

[Obie Wan]

Participation in these threads is voluntary. The fact that there are so many posts on the subject should indicate that there is widespread interest. If some people are tired of reading about it, so what? Are we going to stop discussion of every topic that some find to be tiring and repetitious? What this effectively devolves down to is a policy of giving veto power to a small number of complainers and their dictatorial impulses. Unless the threads consistently become hotbeds of insult and rancor, I see no reason to ban the topic.

Anyway, the season starts in 2 weeks. I suspect that interest will wane at that point (if not sooner).

[CarlE]

I agree. Let's not get crazy on here and start killing every thread that somebody has a problem with. If that were the case it would be a very quiet site. I also agree with Wan that once the season starts this kind of talk will go away. We will have bigger fish to fry once that happens.

[Seeker]

The majority of the MP staff is in agreement with Obie Wan and Carle.
The discussions will stay for now.

[BigTime]

The majority of the MP staff is in agreement with Obie Wan and Carle.
The discussions will stay for now.

You folks enjoy them.

[GrowlingTiger87]

It is pointless to continue these discussions until next year, but we must respect their decisions.

[TigerLily]

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There -- that feels better.

[longtimefirsttime]

And I know the administration can't be too happy with the "Massillon Rule" being quoted in the papers. There HAVE been Massillon rules before but I've never seen them quoted in print.

[Smitty]

Participation in these threads is voluntary.... Unless the threads consistently become hotbeds of insult and rancor, I see no reason to ban the topic....

... and the choir said, "Amen, Brother". :iagree:

[DAWGH8R]

AMEN !!!!!!!

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[longtimefirsttime]

As long as things stay civil, I see no problem with it. When people get tired of discussing it, it will fall on the back pages. I'm sure TP will bring it up in his columns every now and then to try to create every possible distraction during the current season (since there's very little dirt for him to gather these days).

[Fats]

This is an important issue for our TIGER PROGRAM. I think we need to discuss and keep it in view. BUT, I think once the season starts we will begin to talk about other important stuff LIKE WINNING.:pimp:

[tiger#22]

As long as things stay civil, I see no problem with it. When people get tired of discussing it, it will fall on the back pages. I'm sure TP will bring it up in his columns every now and then to try to create every possible distraction during the current season (since there's very little dirt for him to gather these days).

It is all but guaranteed that TP will have alot in his column this week about it and your right I would think every Sunday after the Tigers play a Div 1 school the "holder" will have something to throw a dig in about the Tigers win or lose.

[DAWGH8R]

He was a HUGE part of that '88 team !!!

[longtimefirsttime]

From his columns you'd think he played somewhere else. His columns aren't always....shall we say.....objective?

[DAWGH8R]

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[longtimefirsttime]

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:lol:

That sums it up!

[DAWGH8R]

Let's not let Massillon fans be their own worst enemy !!!