Michael Richards comments

[crackerman]

I say he is done forever....good thing he makes millions off the syndication of Seinfeld, cuz I think he is done making money.

[obie7661]

Some are saying it will hurt the show's vidio sales.

[longtimefirsttime]

What the (bleep) was he thinking?

[obie7661]

He wasn't thinking.

[tiger4life2304]

Ill tell you exactly what he was thinking. He was on stage trying to perform and to make people laugh and those guys thought that just because they paid the cover charge to get in, that they could heckle richards. I stand behind him 100%.. . And we all know that if some "white boys" were heckling chris rock while he was on stage, that he would excessively use the words honkey and cracker but not a D@mn person would say a word!! this is exactly what is wrong with society today, we tip toe around the words "black", "colored" and the infamous "n" word because they are so called forbidden words, but words like honkey, cracker, and whitey are used fluently by black people and is a classic example of a double standard that exists today in society.You say shame on richards, I say shame on us!

[austinsm11]

I don't think what Kosmo Kramer did was right, but that is another interesting perspective with Chris Rock, etc.

Also heard that these guys want compensated. They went on the Today Show or something. They were mad because he apologized publicly and didn't call them personally. These guys want everyone to go before a retired judge and have some retired judge decide what kind of money they should be entitled to.

[Dr Strangemind]

We'll be hearing from their attorneys ...

He used a really, really poor choice of words, and it's gonna cost him, but what do you expect when you heckle a performer in front of their audience??

[Indiana95]

Ill tell you exactly what he was thinking. He was on stage trying to perform and to make people laugh and those guys thought that just because they paid the cover charge to get in, that they could heckle richards. I stand behind him 100%.. . And we all know that if some "white boys" were heckling chris rock while he was on stage, that he would excessively use the words honkey and cracker but not a D@mn person would say a word!! this is exactly what is wrong with society today, we tip toe around the words "black", "colored" and the infamous "n" word because they are so called forbidden words, but words like honkey, cracker, and whitey are used fluently by black people and is a classic example of a double standard that exists today in society.You say shame on richards, I say shame on us!

Hmmm.:wtf: No need to tell us more. We can see who you are and how you think. Good luck with that.

[fyrewood]

We'll be hearing from their attorneys ...

He used a really, really poor choice of words, and it's gonna cost him, but what do you expect when you heckle a performer in front of their audience??

While I agree that Michael Richards used a "really, really poor choice of words" and I know that using the "N" word can cause a whole range of emotions and reactions, I'm not so sure that the guys the words were directed towards deserve any type of monetary compensation.

I mean, I know this is a touchy issue and all being that it has rascist or racial overtones, but are we gonna start suing each other everytime someone insults us, calls us a name or hurts our feelings?

[austinsm11]

I mean, I know this is a touchy issue and all being that it has rascist or racial overtones, but are we gonna start suing each other everytime someone insults us, calls us a name or hurts our feelings
Start? people already do. Maybe the other people wanting to hear the show should sue the hecklers for ruining the show.

I really do wonder what would happen if had happened to someone like Chris Rock. Makes you wonder?

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Anyone who has the gall to use that demeaning N word is full of sardonic, horrendous, inconsistent, trash.

I don't care if you are black, white, or whatever, it is a demeaning word and should have no place in today's vocabulary. Period.

[PurpleArmy]

He's an ignorant jerk for behaving the way he did. I have zero respect for anyone who uses the "n" word. Always have, always will.

I plan to boycott Seinfeld re-reuns from now on. I have read that a lot of other people will be doing the same. It may not seem like much of a protest, but Richards receives residual checks from the Seinfeld re-runs that run in syndication, and I'm not going to contribute to someone who behaves so heinously getting any extra cash.

Also, Richards' statements that his actions were a "terrible mistake" ring very hollow, if you ask me. Jerry Seinfeld was a guest on David Letterman the night or two after the incident and he asked Richards to do a short taped statement which would be inserted into Jerry's segment on Letterman, in which Richards could comment on the incident and apologize for his behavior.

Richards declined Seinfeld's request/offer, which to me says that he isn't really that sorry about what he did. If he were smart, and were truly sorry for his actions, he would have jumped at the chance offered by Seinfeld to make things rights.

Richards stated that he "made ammends" with the people at the nightclub where he performed that night. But how could he have "made ammends" to the people he offended, when most of them walked out during his obscenity filled, bigotous rant?

Did he stop screaming the "n" word at everyone and follow those people out into the parking lot to "make ammends" with them? It sure didn't look like it to me from the news footage I watched a few nights ago on Fox News.

What a jerk. :mad:

http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape/

[werperry]

Ill tell you exactly what he was thinking. He was on stage trying to perform and to make people laugh and those guys thought that just because they paid the cover charge to get in, that they could heckle richards. I stand behind him 100%.. . And we all know that if some "white boys" were heckling chris rock while he was on stage, that he would excessively use the words honkey and cracker but not a D@mn person would say a word!! this is exactly what is wrong with society today, we tip toe around the words "black", "colored" and the infamous "n" word because they are so called forbidden words, but words like honkey, cracker, and whitey are used fluently by black people and is a classic example of a double standard that exists today in society.You say shame on richards, I say shame on us!


WOW. ...did you really listen to his whole rant?

i don't think this would've been an issue if he didn't reference the lynching. there are certain taboo subjects which shouldn't be made fun of...lynching, holocaust, etc...really...what's funny about... "50 years ago we'd have you hanging upside down...blah, blah, blah" ??

are you kidding me?

comics DO say the N-word, H-word...stero-type certain races, religions, etc. what makes this so much worse is the context and the perceived rage and that was conveyed.

kramer is DONE. as he should be. there is NO defense in what he said....

comparing this to a black comedian making fun white people's idiosyncrisy's (sp?) is NOT the same thing.

[PurpleArmy]

WOW. ...did you really listen to his whole rant?

i don't think this would've been an issue if he didn't referance the lynching. i mean... who say's "50 years ago we'd have you hanging...blah, blah, blah" ??

are you kidding me?

comics DO say the N-word, H-word...stero-type certain races, religions, etc. what makes this so much worse is the context and the percieved rage that was conveyed.

kramer is DONE. as he should be. there is NO defense in what he said....

comparing this to a black comedian making fun white people's idiosyncrisy's (sp?) is NOT the same thing.I totally agree with you. Richards' comments were WAY more than just saying the "n" word, or making slight race related comments like other comics have done in the past.

This went way beyond that, and was completely out of line. And he didn't seem to be joking about it, or making a joke. He was filled with anger and hatred and seemed like he really meant everything he said.

For those of you who haven't seen the whole fiasco, the link to it is posted below.

WARNING- it's not for younger ears, so if you're using your computer in an area where kids can hear it, please turn the volume down as low as you can, or wait until they're out of the room.

http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape

[austinsm11]

Well, I certainly did not realize how bad it was. I didn't realize the other things that he said. WOW.

[TigerCoach]

I didn't hear exactly what Kramer said, but I have a question. Did anyone raise this much heck when Kanye West said on live TV that "President Bush hates black people?"

[PurpleArmy]

I didn't hear exactly what Kramer said, but I have a question. Did anyone raise this much heck when Kanye West said on live TV that "President Bush hates black people?"
People DID "raise a lot of heck" when Kanye said what he did. I mean, come on, it was in the news for WEEKS. It got played over and over again on every news channel that there is. Maybe even moreso than the Michael Richards' incident.

There's a big difference, though, between making a basic, one sentence long statement like Kanye's and a 10 minute long, obscenity and rage filled rant like Michael Richards.

Richards was screaming at the audience, and not only used the "n" word, but was making references to lynching, and other violent acts against blacks. he was completely out of control.

If you watch the video of Richards and compare it to the one sentence that Kanye said, there's a world of difference.

The two incidents aren't comparable. At all.

[werperry]

I didn't hear exactly what Kramer said, but I have a question. Did anyone raise this much heck when Kanye West said on live TV that "President Bush hates black people?"

yes i believe they did.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

It's liberals like Richards that should be hung upside down with a fork up their @ss!

[PurpleArmy]

It's liberals like Richards that should be hung upside down with a fork up their @ss!How does what Richards said classify him as a liberal?

His political views have anything at all to do with his horrendous actions. This is not a political issue....it's a racist issue. He obviously has issues with blacks and other races, which has nothing to do with how he votes.

[longtimefirsttime]

Richards is getting everything he deserves. It went beyond the realm of "comedic license."


Just a stupid question here. Are they going to have to change their name as a result of this? Or has my mind been exposed to too much of the "PC movement?"
http://www.kozmosgrille.com/img/kozmos_grille.jpg

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Because everybody (except you evidently) knows that all of "hollywierd" is liberal and that only liberals make racially charged uninformed comments like this! If you don't believe me, just read the comments of the rest of us conservatives on here!
Stinkin tree huggers!

[Dr Strangemind]

It sounded worse than I thought.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

He's a stinkin Pelosi/Clinton/Kennedy/Hanoi Jane LIBERAL! What did you expect?

[CarlE]

How does what Richards said classify him as a liberal?

His political views have anything at all to do with his horrendous actions. This is not a political issue....it's a racist issue. He obviously has issues with blacks and other races, which has nothing to do with how he votes.

Actually, I think he just has issues with classless trash that tried to heckle him while he was putting on a show. I could care less what color their sorry asses were. CLASSLESS TRASH.

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

Ill tell you exactly what he was thinking. He was on stage trying to perform and to make people laugh and those guys thought that just because they paid the cover charge to get in, that they could heckle richards. I stand behind him 100%.. . And we all know that if some "white boys" were heckling chris rock while he was on stage, that he would excessively use the words honkey and cracker but not a D@mn person would say a word!! this is exactly what is wrong with society today, we tip toe around the words "black", "colored" and the infamous "n" word because they are so called forbidden words, but words like honkey, cracker, and whitey are used fluently by black people and is a classic example of a double standard that exists today in society.You say shame on richards, I say shame on us!

i totally agree 100% with this quote. i`m sick of the double-standards and politically correct bs.

[CarlE]

i totally agree 100% with this quote. i`m sick of the double-standards and politically correct bs.

Couldn't agree more.

[austinsm11]

Although there is without a doubt a double standard with this I think Kosmo was way out of line. I thought he used the N word alone, which is bad enough, but didn't realize the lynching, hanging comments.

I can't really remember what happened with Kanye. I know it was a big deal, but I can't really remember people protesting buying his music as much as people are done with Seinfeld. I guess Kanye's fans are alot younger and probably don't care as much as the fans of Seinfeld.

[Kamd50]

Although there is without a doubt a double standard with this I think Kosmo was way out of line. I thought he used the N word alone, which is bad enough, but didn't realize the lynching, hanging comments.

I can't really remember what happened with Kanye. I know it was a big deal, but I can't really remember people protesting buying his music as much as people are done with Seinfeld. I guess Kanye's fans are alot younger and probably don't care as much as the fans of Seinfeld.


I agree. First off, all comedians are accustomed to being heckled. A seasoned performer as himself, should have been better equiped to handle it. He could have retaliated without resorting to using the language that he did. And the rope comment is absolutely 100% completely inexcusable! For God's sake! Are we nothing but a bunch of mere idiots that cannot handle any adversity without resorting to mindless fits of rage and name-calling like a bunch of juvenile delinquents????

[Indiana95]

It's just plain sad that some of us on this site are using this awful issue to support and promote a "double standard" argument. Poor taste and disgusting. You should be ashamed.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

At least the soul and pride of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and the savior of thy Pittsburgh blood, Dennis Miller would never stoop to the level Richards did. He was raised with the strictest Catholic morals and for 53 years of his life, he has successfully abided by those!

I don't know if I told anyone this but on an old job I once had...a guy who I was talking to referred to Muslims as that dreaded 'N' word because he said they all needed to die for starting 9/11. He resigned two days afterwards for personal reasons. Being a Muslim it offended me but I made no reference to it only to ask him did he think what he said was strong language and he told me "that's how I feel about it Keno." That is when he resigned......

By the way, CarlE comes through again......CLASSLESS TRASH. That's better than his previous, award-winning post: "Classless post. To wish injury on someone because they beat your team is the sign of a punk. You should be banned for that post."

No one should use that 'N' word...NEVER! Having said that...if there are any poster parents on here, what would they do if their child was to ever use such a word? Thoughts please.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

austinsm11,

I almost forgot. With Kanye West...he said that president Bush hated blacks in response to the Hurricane Katrina situation and Kamd50 monstrously ripped into the rapper. I can't recall how it went down but he got lashed good.

Consider Kamd50 an ERP...Equal Race Poster. No matter if you are black, white, Jewish, Baptist, Aryan Brotherhood, Klansman, Black Panther, or whatever...if you say something that involves race and it is negative, you can expect to get the worst tongue lashing from her. Heck, I'm a Muslim and believe me, I have been lashed out by her in the past (lastly recently for a slam on Jim Tressel early in the college football season). :laughing:

So it goes to show you even a man like Kanye West isn't safe. Now what do you think would happen to Ice Cube if he got on here and said the police were racist towards blacks? Wouldn't he deserve to get ripped by her? The same as if a white person said he hated blacks? I could go on and on but I'll let you conjure up the answers.

[austinsm11]

I worked with a woman from India and someone made a racist comment towards her. The thing was that this ignorant person use a deragatory phrase that is used towards muslims. She was like, if you are going to racially insult me, at least get it right.

Keno, my question was on the big stage. Was this as big media-wise as what Kanye said? I think what good old Kosmo said was much worse. I wonder though if this is getting more attention too because most of the people who knew Kanye were younger kids where as more people know Kosmo. One thing is for sure, I won't forget the look of Mike Meyers during that incident.

[PurpleArmy]

Actually, I think he just has issues with classless trash that tried to heckle him while he was putting on a show. I could care less what color their sorry asses were. CLASSLESS TRASH.So Richards is totally justified in slinging around racist comments and spewing racially charged statements for close to 10 minutes straight because someone heckled him?

Since when is attacking someone on a personal level OK in regards to their skin color, or race just because they don't think your jokes are funny? I watch a LOT Of stand up comedy and have never seen other comics behave so horribly when someone heckles them.

Plus, if Richards really thought his actions were justified, why did he eventually apologize for his behavior?

[CarlE]

So Richards is totally justified in slinging around racist comments and spewing racially charged statements for close to 10 minutes straight because someone heckled him?



Plus, if Richards really thought his actions were justified, why did he eventually apologize for his behavior?





Answer to first question: Yep.
Answer to second question: Because he's a wuss-ass.

[MR EMPTY PANTS]

It's just plain sad that some of us on this site are using this awful issue to support and promote a "double standard" argument. Poor taste and disgusting. You should be ashamed.

this is a perfect example of a comment by the tree-hugging lib

[Kamd50]

What in the heck does "tree hugging liberals" have to do with this topic? Are you implying that conservative Republicans condone this type of behavior? I highly doubt it!

This is about unacceptable behavior, and Richard's display is one of the worse ones I can think of. This is no more acceptable or justified than when Kayne made his remark about the President or when Mel Gibson made his stupid drunken remark about Jews. At the risk of sounding preachy or being on someone's $hit list, none of this is right,appropriate, or justifiable in the eyes of God and you all know it! God doesn't make special exceptions for our behavior because of what someone else did first.

To me, it is clear that the man had some near mental breakdown and a moment of madness for which he is in need of professional medical help to deal with. And in all certainty, I am sure that it stems from other personal issues other than a one-time night of being heckled. He even appeared on the brink of break down during his apology on Leterman.

[CarlE]

I'm a VERY conservative Republican if that answers your question. And I think he should have taken a couple of bodyguards into the audience and beat the h**l out of these two losers.

[TigerCoach]

Crackerman & I would have taken care of him. :furious:

[Dr Strangemind]

What exactly did they say to him first? Does anybody know?

[Kamd50]

[QUOTE=TigerCoach;27323]Crackerman & I would have taken care of him.

LOL........I bet!:rolleyes:

Wouldn't you think that if it was THAT bad what they were saying in the audience that they would have been asked to leave by the establishment? Or that Richards himself would have stopped the show and asked them to escort the guys out? I am not saying it is alright to heckle or haven't heard one word of what it was that they said(which seems strange initself, to me), but comdedians are used to this kind of stuff. Heck, they even had an episode on Seinfeld about hecklers and Jerry didn't start slinging around racial or ethnic remarks. Maybe Richards should have watched that episode:hug:

[CarlE]

Crackerman & I would have taken care of him. :furious:

WHAT? I thought you guys were MY bodyguards!!!

[crackerman]

A couple of facts here real quick.
Fact One: Chris Rock has claimed to be racist before in interviews.
Fact Two: Snoop dog has claimed in interviewsthat he and his wife are
racist even saying that his wife lets him cheat on her...but only if it is with
white women, "because that doesn't count"
Nothin was ever said nor will be said about this.

Fact three: Obviously some on here didnt see it but posted on the matter incorrectly, Michael Richards did go on the David Letterman show when Jerry Seinfeld was on there, and the man even went on live so you cant use that against him. Please post factual information ONLY in regards to a sensitive matter such as this. This isn't the thread to use the "my neighbor's cousin's babysitter Beth said" gossip mill.

[Dr Strangemind]

I recall being at a Gallagher show once, and a heckler got out of hand (I think the guy was po'd about getting moose-juiced). It started with some good natured put-downs, but when the guy wouldn't quit and it started getting ugly, Gallagher asked them to remove the heckler, and the show went on without further incident. I thought it was handled pretty well.

[Dr Strangemind]

On the other hand, I was once at a WWF event, and the ijit next to us jumped the railing and started to duke it out with "Virgil" at ringside - needless to say, the guy got his clock royally cleaned before being removed from the premises. IMO, he got what was coming to him ...

Now THAT's entertainment!!

[monte81]

First this incident does not relate to Kayne West at all! He stated an opinion of 1 person-- George Bush who did do some horrible leading during Hurricane Katrina as well as every politician in New Orleans! (Not saying his statements wern't wrong)

But Richards crossed the line with his comments and went on and on! The hecklers should of been removed from the audience-- end of story but when you start talking about hanging and lenching he was lucky he made it off stage!! Funny humor is totally differant than what his emotions spilled out his mouth! I wasn't gonna comment on this but here's how it really is:

What is said in anger is often true feelings and therefore displayed racism to the unthinkable level!! If you are prejudice or racist because of stupidity then understandable but his actions showed his true colors!!! Often racist comments are made by both sides due to lack of understanding and stereotypes but he just blatently is a:

RACIST!!!!

Can anyone on here that is of white heritage believe that if you stood in front of a group of black adults(no matter what the circumstances) in Massillon saying any of his comments that you wouldn't get your @ss handed to you ASAP or be in for the battle of your life!!!! Stopping racism is done by proper training and upbringing so maybe he was just raised ignorant!!!

[crackerman]

Can anyone on here that is of white heritage believe that if you stood in front of a group of black adults(no matter what the circumstances) in Massillon saying any of his comments that you wouldn't get your @ss handed to you ASAP or be in for the battle of your life!!!! Stopping racism is done by proper training and upbringing so maybe he was just raised ignorant!!!

I would say that by saying that white people cant fight example: "having their ass handed to them" could be considered racist..lol

I do agree Monte and I think it was uncalled for and awful for him to do what he did.

[austinsm11]

Should these men get compensated for what happened? This was the topic on the radio this morning. If you personally were insulted, racially or otherwise, even if it was very bad, would you want compensated? Does this type of attitude make it seem like it is ok to do whatever you want to me as long as you pay me when you are done?

[monte81]

I would say that by saying that white people cant fight example: "having their ass handed to them" could be considered racist..lol

I do agree Monte and I think it was uncalled for and awful for him to do what he did.

Crackerman, I never said that white people can't fight but 2 or 3 on 1 black or white if they have any hand skills you getting mauled!!me included also!!! And I hang out with a few white guys who can go!(Jeff Mayle, Bob Dunwiddie) If a black comedian would of called some white men honkies, or saying some outlandous racist shit I would hope some white people whooped him good as well!!

[monte81]

Should these men get compensated for what happened? This was the topic on the radio this morning. If you personally were insulted, racially or otherwise, even if it was very bad, would you want compensated? Does this type of attitude make it seem like it is ok to do whatever you want to me as long as you pay me when you are done?


Send them his check from Seinfeld!!!:thumbsup: Just playing!! Hell naw they shouldn't get paid-- pay me I'm black if its like that!!!

[Seeker]

Am I the only one that is getting a Twilight Zone - David Lynch movie kinda feelin' from this conversation?

I mean - "HELLO" - is this real?

My Dad always told me not to worry - It's not me, its the rest of the world.

Thank God that at times like this I can get some small comfort from remembering that.

:vconst:

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

heck, I know I am in the wrong topic.
I feel that racism is prevelant in both races-white or blacks- Although the only ones who ever complain are blacks. I have heard several black entertainers pubicly state that they are racist...I guess it's all right because their great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa or grandma was a slave and beaten by whites....but it wasn't you, it won't ever be you...so let it go. I get tired of seeing people sporting necklaces of Africa-seriously are you from Africa? Have you ever been there? Do you know anyone in your family that ever has been there? No, then why are you fronting and pretending that is where you want to be? get a plane ticket and head out if you don't want to be in America...seriously- just go.
Just like people who are shopping in Dillards-speaking some foreign language-WE LIVE IN AMERICA-SPEAK ENGLISH...certainly not the words that were spoken by Richards...but please use our language-it's rude to discuss things in front of us and not be speaking so that I can understand you.
Racism will be around long after we all are gone-and our children and their children are gone...it's just a way of life. All we can do about it is look the other way-educate our children, and have some understanding...leave it up to GOD-it's not our job to clean 'em-just to bring 'em to Him.

[tiger4life2304]

heck, I know I am in the wrong topic.
I feel that racism is prevelant in both races-white or blacks- Although the only ones who ever complain are blacks. I have heard several black entertainers pubicly state that they are racist...I guess it's all right because their great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa or grandma was a slave and beaten by whites....but it wasn't you, it won't ever be you...so let it go. I get tired of seeing people sporting necklaces of Africa-seriously are you from Africa? Have you ever been there? Do you know anyone in your family that ever has been there? No, then why are you fronting and pretending that is where you want to be? get a plane ticket and head out if you don't want to be in America...seriously- just go.
Just like people who are shopping in Dillards-speaking some foreign language-WE LIVE IN AMERICA-SPEAK ENGLISH...certainly not the words that were spoken by Richards...but please use our language-it's rude to discuss things in front of us and not be speaking so that I can understand you.
Racism will be around long after we all are gone-and our children and their children are gone...it's just a way of life. All we can do about it is look the other way-educate our children, and have some understanding...leave it up to GOD-it's not our job to clean 'em-just to bring 'em to Him.

Finally, someone who makes some sense!!! I know more black people than i can count, and not one of them is from africa but they still prefer to be called "african americans".....come on now. so since im part german and part czechloslovakian, do i ask to be called a gerczechamerican?? lol

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

I get the African american thing- like i am considered Caucasian....why can't we just be...why does everything have to white or black-
why does the Naacp have to devote so many hours to promoting hate amongst different races?
That is all they do- they stir up the blacks, then the whites, then the disappear-leaving us to work it out...

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

Let me clarify one thing- I am not taking away that slavery was awful- but it happened hundreds of years ago-
do you hear me saying those dang white folks took my family's land-because I am Indian? Hell no-because I am not Indian-I am American....not just white, or black...just me.

[longtimefirsttime]

Plus, if Richards really thought his actions were justified, why did he eventually apologize for his behavior?


Because his publicist told him to do so. Spin control.

[crackerman]

Crackerman, I never said that white people can't fight but 2 or 3 on 1 black or white if they have any hand skills you getting mauled!!me included also!!! And I hang out with a few white guys who can go!(Jeff Mayle, Bob Dunwiddie) If a black comedian would of called some white men honkies, or saying some outlandous racist shit I would hope some white people whooped him good as well!!

Dave Chappelle makes millions per year ripping on white people....your kidding right? Honkies?...crackers?...hell my name on here is cracker lol

[monte81]

Dave Chappelle makes millions per year ripping on white people....your kidding right? Honkies?...crackers?...hell my name on here is cracker lol

Humor is a totally differant ball game! Race does not play a roll unless you are speaking directly like Richards was!!! Chappelle rips blacks with streotypes and skits that does not represent the majority but the stuff is funny!!

[crackerman]

so what your saying is.....I as a white male....can use the N word, as long as it is in funny context or as part of a joke or a skit? NO WAY! I personally hate the N word, I dont use it...and I do not hang with people who use it. However, even if they used it in a joking manner does not make it ok.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Anyone who uses the N word needs their face slapped!

[monte81]

heck, I know I am in the wrong topic.
I feel that racism is prevelant in both races-white or blacks- Although the only ones who ever complain are blacks. I have heard several black entertainers pubicly state that they are racist...I guess it's all right because their great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa or grandma was a slave and beaten by whites....but it wasn't you, it won't ever be you...so let it go. I get tired of seeing people sporting necklaces of Africa-seriously are you from Africa? Have you ever been there? Do you know anyone in your family that ever has been there? No, then why are you fronting and pretending that is where you want to be? get a plane ticket and head out if you don't want to be in America...seriously- just go.
Just like people who are shopping in Dillards-speaking some foreign language-WE LIVE IN AMERICA-SPEAK ENGLISH...certainly not the words that were spoken by Richards...but please use our language-it's rude to discuss things in front of us and not be speaking so that I can understand you.
Racism will be around long after we all are gone-and our children and their children are gone...it's just a way of life. All we can do about it is look the other way-educate our children, and have some understanding...leave it up to GOD-it's not our job to clean 'em-just to bring 'em to Him.

Hey hey--- sporting african necklaces???? We have the right to wear whatever we want and it is not because we want to live in Africa but those our people and history and it aint nothing wrong with wearing a necklace symboling heritage and roots!!! Furthermore, I would rather you tell me the truth that you are racist instead of smile in face or stab me in the back--WHITE or BLACK!! Don't sit there and act like evil acts still don't place today!! Complaining-- you must not see all the wrongful arrests and police brutality directed toward our black youths and young adults!! They are rebelling because some stuff aint changing for the better!! People just show prejudice and racism in the business and corperate world in 2006 because its undetectable to the common eye!! Everyone needs culture education:

1. All whites aren't racist
2. All blacks aren't racist
3. All whites aren't upper class
4. All blacks aren't drug dealers and murderers
5. All muslims aren't terrorists

Just to name a few streotypes that ruins cultures and brings hostility!!! We all need to wake up and open our eyes!!! As far as people not speaking english--if your illegal then you shouldn't be here but legally then there should be a mandatory english class before getting a visa!!! Every american soldier who goes to Germany must take a german class on culture and language!!

[werperry]

Although there is without a doubt a double standard with this I think Kosmo was way out of line. I thought he used the N word alone, which is bad enough, but didn't realize the lynching, hanging comments.

:iagree:

[jstafford]

heck, I know I am in the wrong topic.
I feel that racism is prevelant in both races-white or blacks- Although the only ones who ever complain are blacks. I have heard several black entertainers pubicly state that they are racist...I guess it's all right because their great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa or grandma was a slave and beaten by whites....but it wasn't you, it won't ever be you...so let it go. I get tired of seeing people sporting necklaces of Africa-seriously are you from Africa? Have you ever been there? Do you know anyone in your family that ever has been there? No, then why are you fronting and pretending that is where you want to be? get a plane ticket and head out if you don't want to be in America...seriously- just go.
Just like people who are shopping in Dillards-speaking some foreign language-WE LIVE IN AMERICA-SPEAK ENGLISH...certainly not the words that were spoken by Richards...but please use our language-it's rude to discuss things in front of us and not be speaking so that I can understand you.
Racism will be around long after we all are gone-and our children and their children are gone...it's just a way of life. All we can do about it is look the other way-educate our children, and have some understanding...leave it up to GOD-it's not our job to clean 'em-just to bring 'em to Him.
First of all i was wondering if you had proof ( a sound bite, news clip etc.) of these black entertainers who have publicly stated that they are racist. You say you get tired of seeing black people wearing Africa medallions etc.; Well i as an African American get tired of white people explaining away racism by saying that slavery happened so long ago so get over it. Yeah, slavery was a long time ago but it was just the begining; it was only 41 years ago that black people were given cival rights in this country and i dont know how old you are but that was just seven years before i was born...and alot of those same people that were lynching black people( in the 50's and 60's and as early as the 1980's )are still around today. And as far as the medallions, some black people wear them to try to get a sense of where they came from and your right most of us have never seen Africa and probably never will; and thats a shame. "Have you forgotten that once we were brought here we were robbed of our name, robbed of our language,we lost our religion,our culture,our god, and many of us by the way we act; we even lost our mind".

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

HOW ABOUT LAUREN HILL?
Who publicly stated that she would rather have her child starve than sell one of her records to a white person...??? Sounds like she is not racist at all...or is it ok because she is black and she was a beaten as a slave?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/57911/1.ashx
HOW ABOUT SAMUEL L JACKSON?
http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/jackson%20questions%20race%20issue%20in%20hurrican e%20relief%20chaos
HOW ABOUT SHAQ?
http://boards.youthnoise.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/265299255/m/46610646763/xsl/print_topic
HOW ABOUT CHRIS ROCK?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1349870/posts

COME ON- it is just not whites.

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

HOW ABOUT LAUREN HILL?
Who publicly stated that she would rather have her child starve than sell one of her records to a white person...??? Sounds like she is not racist at all...or is it ok because she is black and she was a beaten as a slave?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/57911/1.ashx
HOW ABOUT SAMUEL L JACKSON?
http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/jackson%20questions%20race%20issue%20in%20hurrican e%20relief%20chaos
HOW ABOUT SHAQ?
http://boards.youthnoise.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/265299255/m/46610646763/xsl/print_topic
HOW ABOUT CHRIS ROCK?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1349870/posts

COME ON- it is just not whites.

Do you forget that only 86 years ago women got the right to vote? Does that make me a man hater? NO BECAUSE IT DID NOT HAPPEN TO ME. NOR DID SLAVERY HAPPEN TO ANY OF YOU. To use that as a crutch to enable your hate of whites is outrageous. That is what it is a crutch-most blacks would not even play the race/slavery card. Most blacks realize that the only thing holding that song and dance together is the NAACP.
What would happen if I started a UNITED HONKY COLLEGE FUND? I can tell you I'd be criticized, shunned, and possibly sued for discrimination by minorities. But because blacks were enslaved hundreds of years ago -it's okay to have the United Negro College Fund...sounds plurable....NOT!
Look as a white woman of 2006 I don't feel that I owe you anything- period. I don't feel you should get treated any different than I do- I do not feel that you are entitled to jobs that I am qualified for but am not black enough to get. I do not feel that women have a place at the company my husband works at because they can't do the same jobs. I do not feel that race/sex should play a part in the application process.
I am not a racist- I GREW UP IN THE BLACKEST NEIGHBORHOOD IN MASSILLON, I have plenty of black friends, and I do not teach my children to distinguish someone by the color of their skin.
However, to sit here and pretend that black racism is not abundantly clear is a lie.
Racism is in definition is the act of discrimination of a group based on ethnicity or race. And by grouping present day whites into a category of people who were slave traders or owned slaves you yourself are being racist.

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

PS- what the heck does blacks wearing Africa necklaces have to do with people disconcerning themselves with slavery?
Again I ask- are you from Africa? Why not sport West Indies necklaces? Or how about Ethiopian necklaces?
Since all 3 places have been reportedly found to have been inhabitited by blacks.

[CarlE]

"Have you forgotten that once we were brought here we were robbed of our name, robbed of our language,we lost our religion,our culture,our god, and many of us by the way we act; we even lost our mind".

And I hope YOU don't forget that it was black trade masters in Africa that sold your ancestors. Let's also not forget that, OK? Look, I'm not minimizing what happened. It was a freaking tragedy. But to perpetuate reverse discrimination (a term I don't even believe in, by the way) is as preposterous as anything I've read on here.

And YES, TLFA we DO know women only got the right to vote 86 years ago. We know because that's when the damn country started on this downhill spiral!! LOL TEASING, ladies. Just teasing. Breathe in.....breathe out.....breathe in.....breathe out.....

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

Have you forgotten that once we were brought here we were robbed of our name, robbed of our language,we lost our religion,our culture,our god, and many of us by the way we act; we even lost our mind".

Thank you for proving my point by quoting some of the most racist black folks ever.
Public Enemy.

Here let's update old foggies like CarlE about who PE is...
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/07/23/023148.php

Nice, real nice.

[jstafford]

And I hope YOU don't forget that it was black trade masters in Africa that sold your ancestors. Let's also not forget that, OK? Look, I'm not minimizing what happened. It was a freaking tragedy. But to perpetuate reverse discrimination (a term I don't even believe in, by the way) is as preposterous as anything I've read on here.

And YES, TLFA we DO know women only got the right to vote 86 years ago. We know because that's when the damn country started on this downhill spiral!! LOL TEASING, ladies. Just teasing. Breathe in.....breathe out.....breathe in.....breathe out.....Let me educate you...It was common practice that when two african tribes were at war that the prisoners of war were made two be the slaves of the opposing side. There were some Africans that were sold to the white slave masters because they were already considered slaves but the vast majority(80 million, give or take a few) were hunted down and captured like wild animals.

[monte81]

The key is individual people are gonna be racist if they want to be and I really don't care as long as you don't put me in the middle of the stuff!! Like I said not ALL blacks, whites, muslims, etc,... are racist but some are!! 1 member of Public Enemy ever said any racist remarks doesn't speak for the group as a whole! Just like Richards doesn't speak for white america as a whole!! A small percentage of both races are going to be IGNORANT and that is fine by me because everyone chooses their life path!! One thing for sure-- Tigerfromafar you said it best because God will handle them!! Race relations has come along way but the real racists just find other ways to defeat the cause!! Judge me for me-- not by the way I look,dress, or skin color but for the heart that lies within me!!!!!!

Peace!!!

[crackerman]

I think that nothing good can come of this thread. I just stated that I couldnt believe what he did and I never thought this thread would escalate to this. Since I started this thread, i would like it to be locked by a moderator and removed, because I never had any intention on this thread going where it has. Everyone knows the history behind things and everyone has their own version and opinion of it. Please lock it and remove it, I dont know how to close it myself.

[jstafford]

Have you forgotten that once we were brought here we were robbed of our name, robbed of our language,we lost our religion,our culture,our god, and many of us by the way we act; we even lost our mind".

Thank you for proving my point by quoting some of the most racist black folks ever.
Public Enemy.

Here let's update old foggies like CarlE about who PE is...
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/07/23/023148.php

Nice, real nice. You must be out of your mind...How many public enemy songs have you actually listened to? You just took a random verse from one song(a verse that was correct i might add)and ran with it. Here is the entire song. Now i ask you is this a racist song because the are telling black people to stand up and fight for their rights


1989 the number another summer (get down)
Sound of the funky drummer
Music hittin your heart cause I know you got sould
(brothers and sisters, hey)
Listen if youre missin yall
Swingin while Im singin
Givin whatcha gettin
Knowin what I know
While the black bands sweatin
And the rhythm rhymes rollin
Got to give us what we want
Gotta give us what we need
Our freedom of speech is freedom or death
We got to fight the powers that be
Lemme hear you say
Fight the power

Chorus

As the rhythm designed to bounce
What counts is that the rhymes
Designed to fill your mind
Now that youve realized the prides arrived
We got to pump the stuff to make us tough
From the heart
Its a start, a work of art
To revolutionize make a change nothins strange
People, people we are the same
No were not the same
Cause we dont know the game
What we need is awareness, we cant get careless
You say what is this?
My beloved lets get down to business
Mental self defensive fitness
(yo) bum rush the show
You gotta go for what you know
Make everybody see, in order to fight the powers that be
Lemme hear you say...
Fight the power

Chorus

Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me you see
Straight up racist that sucker was
Simple and plain
Mother fuck him and john wayne
Cause Im black and Im proud
Im ready and hyped plus Im amped
Most of my heroes dont appear on no stamps
Sample a look back you look and find
Nothing but rednecks for 400 years if you check
Dont worry be happy
Was a number one jam
Damn if I say it you can slap me right here
(get it) lets get this party started right
Right on, cmon
What we got to say
Power to the people no delay
To make everybody see
In order to fight the powers that be

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

monte81,

I wanted to touch base on something from an earlier post. I was watching Dennis Miller two years ago on CNBC and he made a comment saying that "we should just kill all Middle Eastern people and get the war on terrorism done and over with."

Everyone on the set applauded Miller for his comment but he changed his ways once Islamic author Irshad Manji appeared on his show.

Goes to show you that stereotypes will not go unnoticed.

Don't get me wrong, I like Miller but what he did say was wrong.

And on Michael Richards...he is a dumb, oppressive, worthless, nasty, arrogant, stupid, senseless, brash, inconsistent, thoughtless, careless, horse!

[CarlE]

The key is individual people are gonna be racist if they want to be and I really don't care as long as you don't put me in the middle of the stuff!! Like I said not ALL blacks, whites, muslims, etc,... are racist but some are!! 1 member of Public Enemy ever said any racist remarks doesn't speak for the group as a whole! Just like Richards doesn't speak for white america as a whole!! A small percentage of both races are going to be IGNORANT and that is fine by me because everyone chooses their life path!! One thing for sure-- Tigerfromafar you said it best because God will handle them!! Race relations has come along way but the real racists just find other ways to defeat the cause!! Judge me for me-- not by the way I look,dress, or skin color but for the heart that lies within me!!!!!!

Peace!!!

I'm color blind, bro. Except that I DO think Keno is polka-dotted black and gold for the Steelers.

[monte81]

Do you forget that only 86 years ago women got the right to vote? Does that make me a man hater? NO BECAUSE IT DID NOT HAPPEN TO ME. NOR DID SLAVERY HAPPEN TO ANY OF YOU. To use that as a crutch to enable your hate of whites is outrageous. That is what it is a crutch-most blacks would not even play the race/slavery card. Most blacks realize that the only thing holding that song and dance together is the NAACP.
What would happen if I started a UNITED HONKY COLLEGE FUND? I can tell you I'd be criticized, shunned, and possibly sued for discrimination by minorities. But because blacks were enslaved hundreds of years ago -it's okay to have the United Negro College Fund...sounds plurable....NOT!
Look as a white woman of 2006 I don't feel that I owe you anything- period. I don't feel you should get treated any different than I do- I do not feel that you are entitled to jobs that I am qualified for but am not black enough to get. I do not feel that women have a place at the company my husband works at because they can't do the same jobs. I do not feel that race/sex should play a part in the application process.
I am not a racist- I GREW UP IN THE BLACKEST NEIGHBORHOOD IN MASSILLON, I have plenty of black friends, and I do not teach my children to distinguish someone by the color of their skin.
However, to sit here and pretend that black racism is not abundantly clear is a lie.
Racism is in definition is the act of discrimination of a group based on ethnicity or race. And by grouping present day whites into a category of people who were slave traders or owned slaves you yourself are being racist.

Nothing I read on your links purposed racism-- Hurricane katrina our govt. did drop the ball and should stand up and take the blame!
the lauren Hill comments were proved false! Shaq messes with everyone and Chris Rock derected racial remarks towards blacks every time he's on TV--he's a comedian but he wasn't shouting and ranting like a 2 year old like Richards-- comics jokes and racial anger are differant! Richards could of called the hecklers-- any number of profanities but "N" and hanging-- that aint cool and will start some Rodney King type of drama we had back in the early 90's!!! I am the only black in my office and don't care as long as no racist comments come out their mouths in front of me-- if so they getting ckecked!!! I aint talking about fighting but someone will be terminated in here!! As far as son and dance and NAACP you are tripping!! We aint killing your people on there wedding day, or bashing your brothers head in, or what about the 46 texas people who were incarerated for selling drugs falsely by 1 white man then found out he framed all of them!! Lucky one white man in that city was not racist and busted the sceme!!! That's why the NAACP has a place for the racist and ignorance stuff that SOME white people try to get away with!!

United Negro College Fund-- so its fair for YOUR ancestors to use us to build the USA and then not let us get an education!! We were not allowed to go to school back in the day and know you criticize us for helping each other further our education!!! YOU crossing the line!!! Like I said blacks do some ignorant ,stupid , and racist stuff also and that stuff should be punished according!!!!! WE DONT WANT TO BE TREATED DIFFERANT-- JUST EQUAL!!!!!!
This is for EVERYONE:
If YOU are not racist then WE should just keep on pushing for equality!!!!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

CarlE,

My heart and soul runs Pittsburgh, PA...for the world champions! Let's not forget that your Tampa Bay Buccaneers and my Steelers won Super Bowl championships on ABC and had dominating wins in their conference title games that got them to their points! Case in point:

1. Tampa Bay 27, Philadelphia 10 (FOX) and Pittsburgh 34, Denver 17 (CBS). Both the Eagles and Broncos were considered invincible at home but cracked badly one game from the Super Bowl!

2. Tampa Bay 48, Oakland 27 (ABC) and Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10 (ABC). Oakland and Seattle had vaunted offenses that were #1 but fell to powerful defenses.

No matter how they come...black, white, Irish, Italian, Catholic, Baptist, Jewish...anyone who is a Pittsburgh Steelers fan are tops on my list! Race, religion, and nationality doesn't matter.

Now get set to weep and cry Sunday because your Buccaneers are about to walk the plank! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KyD0ZA2RRY

And for extra measure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFQUvZD8X0w

The black and gold WILL impose their championship will on the Buccaneers! (I did love Ronde Barber's 97-yard interception TD that clinched the NFC title for Tampa Bay...sorry I couldn't get a video link of it).

[Kamd50]

This could go on forever. For every instance that a white person demonstrated descrimination or made racist remark, you can counter it with an example of a black person doing the same. We all know this. I'd like to think that most people on here have risen above this sort of thing, but I know there will always be some racists in every race and denomination. Fighting about it just tears people farther apart. Lest we forget, we are all God's children and He is our creator.

The best way to "fight" for equality as far as I am concerned, is to practice it in your everyday life. By not prejudging people until you get to know them, regardless of skin color, denomination, sex, or economics.
People need to stop blaming each other and try to understand instead.

I do agree with you Monte as far as Shaq goes, he rips on all of his competitors no matter what color they are. It is just his personality. And L. Hill has publicly denied that rumor. But mostly I agree with this.....PEACE!!!!

PEACE

LOVE

JOY..............Merry Christmas.............

[jstafford]

Do you forget that only 86 years ago women got the right to vote? Does that make me a man hater? NO BECAUSE IT DID NOT HAPPEN TO ME. NOR DID SLAVERY HAPPEN TO ANY OF YOU. To use that as a crutch to enable your hate of whites is outrageous. That is what it is a crutch-most blacks would not even play the race/slavery card. Most blacks realize that the only thing holding that song and dance together is the NAACP.
What would happen if I started a UNITED HONKY COLLEGE FUND? I can tell you I'd be criticized, shunned, and possibly sued for discrimination by minorities. But because blacks were enslaved hundreds of years ago -it's okay to have the United Negro College Fund...sounds plurable....NOT!
Look as a white woman of 2006 I don't feel that I owe you anything- period. I don't feel you should get treated any different than I do- I do not feel that you are entitled to jobs that I am qualified for but am not black enough to get. I do not feel that women have a place at the company my husband works at because they can't do the same jobs. I do not feel that race/sex should play a part in the application process.
I am not a racist- I GREW UP IN THE BLACKEST NEIGHBORHOOD IN MASSILLON, I have plenty of black friends, and I do not teach my children to distinguish someone by the color of their skin.
However, to sit here and pretend that black racism is not abundantly clear is a lie.
Racism is in definition is the act of discrimination of a group based on ethnicity or race. And by grouping present day whites into a category of people who were slave traders or owned slaves you yourself are being racist.Growing up on the "Blackest side of Massillon" sounds like it made you pretty bitter. I cant believe some of the things that are comming out of your mouth. The united Negro college funds purpose it to provide funds and encourage black children to attend historically black Colleges and Universities; These Colleges i might ad were founded because there was a time in the not so distant past when black people could not attend the same Colleges as whites. You constantly remind us that you are not a racist but i would like you to go back and read everthing that you have posted concerning this subject and i think you will reconsider your position on not being a racist. And finally, racism = power: Meaning that a person can sit in their house and be racist all day long and if you dont have the power to do anything it means nothing but when you are a CEO of a company , an Employer,a loan officer,a school admissions officer etc. You have all the power in the world and that is why Programs like affirmative action and organizations like the N.A.A.C.P , S.W.A.C., S.C.L.C. AND THE URBAN LEAGE EXIST TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ON THE BASIS OF RACE.


I'M DONE

check yourself

[SuperBran]

United Negro College Fund-- so its fair for YOUR ancestors to use us to build the USA and then not let us get an education!!

MY ancestors used their OWN blood, sweat and tears to help build this country. if you're insinuating that all white families had slaves at some point in time, you're dead wrong. if you're insinuating that slaves, themselves, built our country into what it is today then you're wrong again.

regarding this topic, i think everyone can agree that there were three idiots at that comedy club that night.

[monte81]

MY ancestors used their OWN blood, sweat and tears to help build this country. if you're insinuating that all white families had slaves at some point in time, you're dead wrong. if you're insinuating that slaves, themselves, built our country into what it is today then you're wrong again.

regarding this topic, i think everyone can agree that there were three idiots at that comedy club that night.


Blacks put just as much sweat and tears into building the USA also!! That's all I'm saying! For years we didn't have nothing after salvery and after that we still couldn't go to school-- so the UNF was founded to help blacks get the education that was denied all those years!!!!!

I agree totally about the 3 idiots!!!!

Kamd50,
You keep it real and tell your husband travis and I say hello!!

[CarlE]

Can't we all just get along??? Kumbaya folks.....Kumbaya.

[DAWGH8R]

To all black folks that are mad at WHITEY :


My ancestors FOUGHT & DIED TO FREE THE BLACK MAN !!!!!

For blacks that have a beef about slavery. Tell it to the people SOUTH of the Mason/Dixon line !!!

The northern WHITES should be thanked EVERYDAY by black people, for your freedom.

We thank vets everyday for fighting for our freedoms. The NORTHERN WHITES SHED BLOOD & LIVES for the black man.

This ain't the deep south. This is MASSILLON ,OHIO. This is Springhill Farm and Underground Railroad territory. We provided a safe haven for the escape of the enslaved black men and women.

It's insane to hear some Black people chastise the northern whites, when they know nothing of the history of what MY ANCESTORS went through to help end slavery.

My ancestors are from Sicily. I am NOT Sicilian -American. I was BORN in the USA. I am an AMERICAN. Be happy your not in the aids infested regions of Africa, that will soon have NO population.

We have somehow all inhabited this chunk of land called America. We need to realize that we are all in this together !!!:hug:

[jstafford]

MY ancestors used their OWN blood, sweat and tears to help build this country. if you're insinuating that all white families had slaves at some point in time, you're dead wrong. if you're insinuating that slaves, themselves, built our country into what it is today then you're wrong again.

regarding this topic, i think everyone can agree that there were three idiots at that comedy club that night.I agree that other races helped build this country also... but they were paid. Dont you think 4 or 500 years of free labor gave this country a helluva boost in becoming what it is today . If you know a black person with the same last name as you...somebody somewhere in your family owned somebody somewhere in their Family.

[TigerCoach]

Seeker,

PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD. It's going to make someone say something stupid.

[monte81]

Seeker,

PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD. It's going to make someone say something stupid.

AGREED!!!!!!!!

[pnthrfan]

Wow! I can't believe some of the things coming out of people's mouths on here. This really is disheartening ..... and sad....really sad. :sad:

[jstafford]

AGREED!!!!!!!! I'm out

[SuperBran]

Blacks put just as much sweat and tears into building the USA also!! That's all I'm saying!

that's what i'm trying to say......MANY different cultures contributed to building our country.

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

Let's all just agree to disagree, because as AMERICANS we have that right.

I never intended for this thread to become out of hand- I thought as adults we could discuss race- but I guess you can't know how someone else feels unless you walk a mile in their shoes.
Only God will judge me.:thumbsup:

[SuperBran]

I agree that other races helped build this country also... but they were paid. Dont you think 4 or 500 years of free labor gave this country a helluva boost in becoming what it is today . If you know a black person with the same last name as you...somebody somewhere in your family owned somebody somewhere in their Family.

you're missing my point. monte's statement led me to believe that he only slaves built our country to what it is today. that's false.

don't you think that the people who were paid to do work, to support their families and live, gave us a helluva boost as well? do you actually think that the people who weren't paid automatically contributed more just b/c they weren't paid. that's ridiculous. i come from irish roots. it wasn't as if my family came over here and was given high-paying, high-society jobs. they were paid, but not much. they worked just as hard as anyone else.

your connection about last names and owning slaves in untenable. please provide your factual basis for such a strong claim. just b/c a last name may be shared doesn't automatically mean a person owned slaves.....just like having the same last name of someone of the same race doesn't automatically mean you're related.

[jstafford]

you're missing my point. monte's statement led me to believe that he only slaves built our country to what it is today. that's false.

don't you think that the people who were paid to do work, to support their families and live, gave us a helluva boost as well? do you actually think that the people who weren't paid automatically contributed more just b/c they weren't paid. that's ridiculous. i come from irish roots. it wasn't as if my family came over here and was given high-paying, high-society jobs. they were paid, but not much. they worked just as hard as anyone else.

your connection about last names and owning slaves in untenable. please provide your factual basis for such a strong claim. just b/c a last name may be shared doesn't automatically mean a person owned slaves.....just like having the same last name of someone of the same race doesn't automatically mean you're related. i'm done with this conversation...nothing against you personally because you have a valid point. I dont usually post on this site...i just use it to catch up on the fooball team and things that are going on in Massillon but when i read some of the things that were being said about black people it pissed me off. Back to your question: it is common knowledge that most if not all slaves were given the last name of there masters to show ownership...Thats what i was saying. i didn't mean to imply that your family owned slaves. What i was saying was that if you share the same last name as a black person that it was possible.

I'm Done

[Dr Strangemind]

And on Michael Richards...he is a dumb, oppressive, worthless, nasty, arrogant, stupid, senseless, brash, inconsistent, thoughtless, careless, horse!

Holy crap! Did you call him a horse?

[TigerLoverFromAfar]

that is all you found suprising out of this thread? :thumbsup:

[Dr Strangemind]

Well, I was right:

Hannity had one of the hecklers along with his lawyer on his radio show, demanding Richards meet with his victims in order to apologize, along with a retired judge who would then decide on a "proper punishment."

The pompousness is just breathtaking.

[GrowlingTiger87]

I agree with a few people that I've heard say that Richards committed career suicide, and that shoul be punishment enough.

Strangemind, I heard that interview on Hannity. If any money changes hands, it's a crock.

[Kamd50]

Kamd50,
You keep it real and tell your husband travis and I say hello!!

He sends his best to you both and said that hearing those names got him reminiscing about those great old days along with the Ashcraft brothers and T. Henderson:eek: , Huff, Harry,Shoe and J.D. hahaha! Sure makes us feel old!

[Seeker]

Crackerman started the thread and it is his right to ask that it be closed, which he has.