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longtimefirsttime

11-21-2006, 05:17 AM

I drove past the former Handlebars and Hotrods/Scorchers location yesterday and saw a lot of work being done. Now I know why. They're scrambling to open The Whiskey Ranch tomorrow (the night before Thanksgiving is typically very busy in the bar business). As I drove by, I said "is that a mechanical bull?" Apparently it's a country/rock theme environment and there's one in the Akron area.
http://www.thewhiskeyranch.com/

Al.

11-21-2006, 08:54 AM

Sorry, but how long will it be this time until the "out of business/space available for rent" sign appears :scratchchin:

TigerswillbeTigers

11-21-2006, 09:08 AM

The Butler

11-21-2006, 10:17 AM

Story from today's Inde about the place:

http://www.indeonline.com/printable.php?ID=11981

TigerLoverFromAfar

11-21-2006, 10:20 AM

$ 3.00 cover? Do they not realize that will not work in Massillon?
:scratchchin:

xtiger

11-21-2006, 10:26 AM

$ 3.00 cover? Do they not realize that will not work in Massillon?
:scratchchin:

Wait till you ride that bull, Folks will lined-up around the building waiting to see you! :thumbsup:

MTown

11-21-2006, 10:39 AM

Another bar that will have a nice 6 month run in downtown Massillon.

TigerswillbeTigers

11-21-2006, 11:05 AM

"Wait til you ride that bull, folks will be lined-up around the building waiting to see you"!

Lol! Even she said Massillon isn't going to pay a $3.00 cover!

gotigers1

11-21-2006, 11:07 AM

I hope this place stays. When the wife and I visit her sister in Dayton, we stop at a place very close to this one. It's called the Yellow Rose. Good drinks and good music.

The Butler

11-21-2006, 11:54 AM

I hope this place stays. When the wife and I visit her sister in Dayton, we stop at a place very close to this one. It's called the Yellow Rose. Good drinks and good music.

I actually won a bull riding contest in the Yellow Rose. The first time I'd ever been on one. I had an interesting time explaining the half-dollar size rug burns on the inside of my knees to my girlfriend. :gasp:

gotigers1

11-21-2006, 11:57 AM

I actually won a bull riding contest in the Yellow Rose. The first time I'd ever been on one. I had an interesting time explaining the half-dollar size rug burns on the inside of my knees to my girlfriend. :gasp:

Yeah, I wanted to go on it, but my wife isn't ready to collect on my life insurance yet! :sour:

DragonTigerNemesis

11-21-2006, 12:00 PM

I hope this place stays. When the wife and I visit her sister in Dayton, we stop at a place very close to this one. It's called the Yellow Rose. Good drinks and good music.

Every dumb-ass that has tried to run a bar at this location has made the same two dumb-ass mistakes.

If these guys follow the pattern they will be gone also.

Dear Whiskey Ranch Owners:

This is Massillon, not Chicago or New York.
When we are in a club, we do not like to be on display. Cover the windows or we won't come in.
On the same track, when you are having a slow night people will drive by and see that no one is in there and go somewhere else.

Secondly, in Massillon when we want to order a drink we want a GD drink and NOW. Hire enough bar help and teach them to hustle and not stand around chatting. If you hire floor help tell them that they are there to hustle drinks not be visiting their friends.

As much as I dislike BW3, I have to say that when you want a drink in there you can get one.

Take note new business in Massillon owners or you won't last either!!!!

:vcop:

gotigers1

11-21-2006, 12:02 PM

Gee, the place hasn't opened yet and everyone is killing it off... I'll give a place a chance first before I'd go running my mouth about it.

DragonTigerNemesis

11-21-2006, 12:12 PM

Gee, the place hasn't opened yet and everyone is killing it off... I'll give a place a chance first before I'd go running my mouth about it.

As for my comments, I AM giving them a chance because I am giving them some good advice.

They are out of towners just like the last several owners and I thought maybe some knowledge about Massillon might help them.

Sorry:vconst:

Kamd50

11-21-2006, 12:34 PM

I thought the reason why Handlebars closed down was due to a dispute with the owners of the building over rent owed. Also, wasn't it said that the owners wanted to sell the building as another reason for Handlebars having to move out as well? With the block being closed off every weekend evening for parking to accomodate all of the bikes downtown, it seemed that they were doing a fairly decent business.

Years ago, there was a bar down on Erie that was basically a country western type of place. They had one of those mechanical bulls and had a lot of live entertainment. Eventually they removed the bull and exchanged hands, I dont know why. It did a really good business but became a very rowdy place with lots of fights which contributed to it closing down among other reasons. Hope this place works out for owners and patrons alike. It sounds like it will be a fun place if managed properly.

Smitty

11-21-2006, 12:35 PM

I won't patronize a bar that has a cover charge and NO BAND... (or, at least a free hors d'ouvers-bar or something.)

... like, what's the cover charge for, anyway, if there's not a band? The price of the drinks are jacked either way. If the place can't survive on $2.50 beers and $4 (and up) drinks, something is wrong.

crackerman

11-21-2006, 01:48 PM

whiskey ranch (formerlly known as the saddle ranch) in akron is a huge hit and a great place to go. Only problem might be that it is more suited towards college kids and a college town. It will do great over breaks when the college kids are home, but night in night out, i think it will struggle. I hope it works though.

TigerLoverFromAfar

11-21-2006, 02:01 PM

Wait till you ride that bull, Folks will lined-up around the building waiting to see you! :thumbsup:

Ah-you say the sweetest things-:blush2:

Maybe I could get a job bar tending there-except Kevin is a caveman and feels all women should be at home all the time...
and certainly would never let me work in a bar.

CarlE

11-21-2006, 03:28 PM

I just drove past there. It looks like a freaking Chinese Fire Drill with them trying to get it done. Let's put it this way. It will last a month longer than it would have because I will probably be first in, last out tomorrow. I'm having a dry run at BDubs tonight!!! All are welcome.

Obie Wan

11-21-2006, 03:48 PM

I won't patronize a bar that has a cover charge and NO BAND... (or, at least a free hors d'ouvers-bar or something.)
I know for a FACT that statement is not entirely accurate. :laugh:
I suspect the inducement comes under the category of "something".

Al.

11-21-2006, 03:50 PM

Ah-you say the sweetest things-:blush2:

Maybe I could get a job bar tending there-except Kevin is a caveman and feels all women should be at home all the time...

Along with being barefoot and pregnant :scratchchin:

CATS44

11-21-2006, 04:03 PM

Two very good posts in this thread...posts of wisdom.

The Nemesis makes some sound suggestions. Cover the glass and get me my beer when I want my beer...not at your own convenience. I hate having to beg somebody to allow me to spend my money.

It wont go without quality bands....but they will have to make up their minds. Is it a C@W bar or a Dance Rock bar? $3 cover on a Saturday night for a Country band is the going rate in the Summit-Stark area.

And CarlE's idea of a dry run tonight at Bw3 is a great idea...but only if the dry run is not dry.

Al.

11-21-2006, 04:07 PM

And CarlE's idea of a dry run tonight at Bw3 is a great idea...but only if the dry run is not dry.

Good idea if it is not dry, but bad venue :pimp: :puke:

CarlE

11-21-2006, 04:33 PM

And CarlE's idea of a dry run tonight at Bw3 is a great idea...but only if the dry run is not dry.

The great Cats44 has OBVIOUSLY never been out with me.

gotigers1

11-21-2006, 04:41 PM

I have no problems paying a cover as long as the service and music is good.

Seeker

11-21-2006, 05:04 PM

I have no problems paying a cover as long as the service and music is good.

A cover charge tends to keep the riff raff out.

CarlE

11-21-2006, 05:19 PM

A cover charge tends to keep the riff raff out.

Not this week, my friend!!!:drinkem: :drinkem:

TigerswillbeTigers

11-21-2006, 05:25 PM

Lol! How true is that? :smartass:

longtimefirsttime

11-22-2006, 03:09 AM

Their location in Akron apparently does good business. I haven't heard about the others. Here are my opinions and observations:

First the positives...
"The Whiskey Ranch expanded the dance floor to about 2,000 square feet"
-Have you seen what passes for a dance floor at many places in the area? Try dancing on the postage stamp they call a dance floor at the Pub sometime.

"Everson believes that, unlike past occupants, the bar has a good chance of becoming a mainstay in the downtown since Milkovich and his brother own the building."
-They have a larger stake than just being a renter. Hopefully it will lead to a greater committment to making it work.

-The previous occupants (at least initially) tried to be open every night. With a limited at best food menu you're not drawing anyone on a Monday or Tuesday night. Being open Thur-Sat should help.

Now the negatives...
-I do question whether a cover charge will work long term, especially when someone can walk a short distance to the Alibi, Benders or BW3 with no cover. The mechanical bull will be a draw for first timers, but service and overall atmosphere will be a key over the long haul. Put me with those who hate standing in line forever for a $4 beer.

-I too am not a fan of the windows. They don't serve a purpose. The view of that intersection is not appealing. If they're slow that night, anyone driving by will know it and not bother stopping in. And I've also heard people say when police parked outside (looking in) it makes them uncomfortable.

I'm willing to give it a shot.

longtimefirsttime

11-22-2006, 03:27 AM

A cover charge tends to keep the riff raff out.

I dj'ed in bars and clubs for several years (Hey I had to offset the pittance of a paycheck from WTIG somehow). When alcohol is involved you're going to have an occasional problem. But the bars playing rap and dance music attract more of a "trouble element." From my experience it was many people just loitering, not even buying drinks. A cover charge may help somewhat, as long as it doesn't alienate your target audience.

You should have seen some of the places I worked. Quite scary when I look back on it.

longtimefirsttime

11-22-2006, 03:39 AM

“ 'It needs a lot of cosmetics,' Milkovich said of the 43,000-square-foot building, which has marble stairways and oak doorways. 'Structurally, the building’s got really great bones to it. It’s going to be a great project.'
There are currently five tenants in the building, but most of it is vacant – including the gutted fifth floor."

If someone has the money needed, the building does have some charm. But it's in bad shape. Before they locked the main entrance doors, vagrants hung out in the stairwell (I had taken the stairs because the elevator sounded like it was going to die with each trip). The rooms are heated by old steam radiators. The fifth floor was initially gutted and was supposed to house offices, but it never happened.

CarlE

11-22-2006, 09:33 AM

I talked to a couple of the owners last night at the Alibi. They have some very interesting things planned there. Give the place a chance. I'm sure going to be there tonight. It is going to be interesting and I think it is going to be PACKED.

longtimefirsttime

11-22-2006, 09:40 AM

Sheesh, am I going to have to walk all over town asking if they've seen CarlE?

CarlE

11-22-2006, 09:44 AM

Sheesh, am I going to have to walk all over town asking if they've seen CarlE?

No, I'm going to call you this morning. I'm NOT going to BW3s. It sucked last night. Oh, and Rockne's? MAYBE five people in the whole damn place. Unbelievable.

Al.

11-22-2006, 09:47 AM

I'm NOT going to BW3s. It sucked last night. Oh, and Rockne's? MAYBE five people in the whole damn place. Unbelievable.

Some of us learn later rather than sooner :laugh:

Smitty

11-22-2006, 09:51 AM

I know for a FACT that statement is not entirely accurate.

Hey, Buddy... if you're thinking of our boys-nights-out at the li'l "horsey" bar on Waterloo Rd... I don't think ANY of us paid a cover charge. (I didn't.)

BigTime

11-22-2006, 10:11 AM

Hey, Buddy... if you're thinking of our boys-nights-out at the li'l "horsey" bar on Waterloo Rd... I don't think ANY of us paid a cover charge. (I didn't.)

Sir, I have no idea of what you speak.

TigerLoverFromAfar

11-22-2006, 10:16 AM

Would thay be the Platinum Horse gentleman????:scratchchin: :scratchchin:

TigerswillbeTigers

11-22-2006, 10:19 AM

Eventually someone will figure out that that location is best suited for a Hooters, with a mechanical bull, and a trampoline!

I know I'd frequent the place regularly because they have an awesome grilled grouper samich :thumbsup:

MTown

11-22-2006, 10:24 AM

Would thay be the Platinum Horse gentleman????:scratchchin: :scratchchin:

Awwww the P-Ho!

Obie Wan

11-22-2006, 01:03 PM

I'm NOT going to BW3s. It sucked last night.
Which would make it a typical night in there. I'm with Al. on this one.

marlow

11-22-2006, 04:10 PM

I actually won a bull riding contest in the Yellow Rose. The first time I'd ever been on one. I had an interesting time explaining the half-dollar size rug burns on the inside of my knees to my girlfriend. :gasp:

LOL!!! funny ass post man!!!!

There was another bar in Massillon at one time w/ a mechanical bull. It was located by Sanitary Laundry. Anybody remember? Early nineties probably.

Smitty

11-22-2006, 04:15 PM

Would that be the Platinum Horse gentleman????:scratchchin: :scratchchin:

No. We were never there. And, if you saw anyone there that looked like us, well... it wasn't us.

Smitty

11-22-2006, 04:17 PM

LOL!!! funny ass post man!!!!

There was another bar in Massillon at one time w/ a mechanical bull. It was located by Sanitary Laundry....

Hmmmm... well, the only "bar" I know close by there (opposite side of the block!) is the VFW....

Seeker

11-22-2006, 04:27 PM

Hmmmm... well, the only "bar" I know close by there (opposite side of the block!) is the VFW....

There was a honky tonk over by the VFW for awhile, but it was a really nasty place and didn't last long.

john gault

11-22-2006, 04:42 PM

It was called the country comfort ; which then became a Heavy metal club ( I dont remeber the name) but I remeber Ronnie James Dio came to do a show, saw the condition the club was in and decided to leave.

The bar owner was chasing the bus and screaming. That was the most amusement I had at that location in some time.

The Voice

11-22-2006, 04:45 PM

Massillon needs a damn good ' live jam' night.. where musicians can bring there toys in once a week and let er rip.. gawd I'd give my left nut for a good jam ..

tv:vconst:

TigerswillbeTigers

11-22-2006, 04:51 PM

I'm sorry. that freakin post is just too funny! I understand it, and I agree, but it's just too funny! :drinkem:

MTiger

11-22-2006, 05:17 PM

The metal club was called The Machine. GWAR played a show there a few years back.

Fats

11-22-2006, 05:34 PM

Massillon needs a damn good ' live jam' night.. where musicians can bring there toys in once a week and let er rip.. gawd I'd give my left nut for a good jam ..

tv:vconst:

I remember the days when alot of the nightspots in town had live music.
I would love to see live music back in town. I just went to a place called Beachland Ballroom in Cleveland and saw The Charms, Chesterfield Kings, The SuperSuckers and the New York Dolls. All for only $20 bucks. Pretty good rock n roll time. Of course the Rolling Rock was going down pretty good. ROCK ON!!!

CarlE

11-22-2006, 06:06 PM

There was a honky tonk over by the VFW for awhile, but it was a really nasty place and didn't last long.

Yes there was. Tim Gowins, Tim Gresser, Eric Kreiling, Roger Budd and I used to go there after bowling at Fuzzy's on Wednesday nights. I DO remember a couple of those idiots getting on that damn thing. Not me. Way too smart for that.

CarlE

11-22-2006, 06:07 PM

I remember the days when alot of the nightspots in town had live music.
I would love to see live music back in town. I just went to a place called Beachland Ballroom in Cleveland and saw The Charms, Chesterfield Kings, The SuperSuckers and the New York Dolls. All for only $20 bucks. Pretty good rock n roll time. Of course the Rolling Rock was going down pretty good. ROCK ON!!!

Hey my friend. Is Rolling Rock on your "Fit to be Fit" program??? LOL. By the way, VERY proud of your progress.

Smitty

11-22-2006, 07:13 PM

... I just went to a place called Beachland Ballroom in Cleveland and saw ... the New York Dolls....

Ohhhh... dude... I was at the rock-concert at PBTS in '73, man... the New York Dolls, Dr Hook, and Mott the Hoople. Whoa, dude... that was a wild show. I think tickets were $5.50.

:dead:

... gawd I'd give my left nut for a good jam ....

Bite me!! We (you know who we are) couldn't get you out of the house when we called you.

DragonTigerNemesis

11-22-2006, 07:30 PM

.. gawd I'd give my left nut for a good jam ..

If you did that you could sing like an Englishman. :thumbsup:

The Voice

11-22-2006, 10:26 PM

Couldn't get me outta the house huh !!..thats cuz there weren't any damn jams goin on ..all you animals wanted to do was DRINK.. i was ok with that but where's THE JAM !

tv:vconst:

xtiger

11-22-2006, 10:33 PM

Whatever happened to the Infamous MP.com Band??

PurpleArmy

11-23-2006, 12:17 AM

The web-site shows a fairly young, fairly attractive cowgirl riding a mechanical bull. If that's going to be the focus of their marketing it may last for awhile. Or atleast until they run out of fairly young, fairly attractive cowgirls that don't have back problems!

Massillon used to have a country themed bar downtown with a mechanical bull about 10 or 12 years ago, called "Country Comfort". We used to go there to ride the bull once in a while. Also, there were plenty of "young, attractive cowgirls" who showed up every week to ride the bull on slow speed so they could try and look like Debra Winger in Urban Cowgirl...lol (Of course, if they ran the bull on the speed that an actual bull would go, I doubt any of them would last two seconds.)

They always had good bands and a decent crowd, but they eventually closed down, so I don't think having a mechanical bull is going to keep the new place open. Patrons spending lots of money are what keep a bar up and running.

Al.

11-23-2006, 10:16 AM

so I don't think having a mechanical bull is going to keep the new place open. Patrons spending lots of money are what keep a bar up and running.

So does that mean CarlE needs to come to town more often :scratchchin:

PurpleArmy

11-24-2006, 04:11 AM

So does that mean CarlE needs to come to town more often :scratchchin::thumbsup:

Something along those lines......lol

section3

12-09-2006, 09:21 AM

has anyone been checking this place out or becoming a regular?? how is it doing?? i have driven past there about 4 or 5 times in the last 2 weeks at different times and only once was the place busy. i've seen cruisers down there already and there was a police report for a robbery and assault.

longtimefirsttime

12-09-2006, 09:23 AM

I've been there twice. Both times it was quite busy. Opening night had a diverse crowd of all ages. The other time seemed like a younger crowd.

longtimefirsttime

01-13-2007, 09:36 AM

"Bar owners look to stem skirmishes"
http://indeonline.com/index.php?ID=13114
(If link doesn't match try Inde archives)

Obie Wan

01-13-2007, 02:28 PM

"We’re going to have more of a presence there. We’re going to step up road patrols and schedule more walk-through visits by patrolmen."

And we're paying for that, are we? The city should send them a bill for the additional manpower required to police the place. And put such an oppressive police presence there that people think twice about even going.

Kamd50

01-13-2007, 05:43 PM

What the heck is wrong with people in Massillon? The police do not need to be walking through a place "policing" it. That is not what they are paid for. If there is some trouble and they are needed then someone from the establishment should call them up. I guess if their objective is to just shut the place down, that's one way to go about it. There are fights and brawls at The Village and The Elbow Room on a weekly basis and has been for years. Why don't they go and patrol those places?:wall:

Obie Wan

01-13-2007, 08:21 PM

There are fights and brawls at The Village and The Elbow Room on a weekly basis and has been for years. Why don't they go and patrol those places?
Hey! What's wrong with The Village and The Elbow Room?

True stories:
- The last time I was in the Elbow Room was about 3 or 4 years. It was in the middle of the afternoon on a mid-week summer day. A buddy of mine and I happened to drive by, and we hadn't been there in years, so... We finished our beers and headed for the door. Another patron got there first and walked out ahead of us. He took about 3 steps out, stopped between the two cars parked in front of the door, put one hand on the fender of each, and let fly. Nothing like projectile vomiting on a sunny afternoon. He wiped his mouth on his arm, turned around, nodded to us, and walked back in.
- The last time I was in The Village was about a year ago. I was leaned against the bar, drinking a beer, and watching my cohort work his wiles on some of the toothless local talent. A dimensionally blessed young lady walked up to me and said, "Kiss me like you mean it." Ever the glib sort, I said, "WTF?" She said, "I slept with that guy over there last week, and he hasn't called me since. I want to [tick] him off."

Actually, places like The Village and The Elbow Room serve a very beneficial purpose: they give "those" people somewhere to go and keep them out of the places I frequent. I prefer to represent the low end of the social spectrum when I go out, and I would not welcome the competition.

Kamd50

01-14-2007, 12:51 AM

I gotta admit you have a point:jestera:

longtimefirsttime

08-10-2007, 05:12 AM

Maybe they should go to metal detectors, like the Pub.
http://cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=369595&Category=15&subCategoryID=0

It's sad that they have to do that. But it's probably a good idea in places identified as "trouble spots."

massillon catholic

08-10-2007, 11:41 AM

They had the same problems at Nicky's Dubl time, then BB McClains and now its the Pub. The Pub has been bad for several years. Trouble-makers always seem to congregate at the same place.

Al.

08-10-2007, 12:11 PM

They had the same problems at Nicky's Dubl time, then BB McClains and now its the Pub. The Pub has been bad for several years. Trouble-makers always seem to congregate at the same place.

Is there a common owner(s) of all of these establishments ?

massillon catholic

08-10-2007, 12:14 PM

Is there a common owner(s) of all of these establishments ?

BB's and the Pub same owner, but I'm not sure about Dubl Time.

DAWGH8R

08-10-2007, 12:27 PM

Close friend of mine's daughter was taken from the Pub at knifepoint. She was then driven to a Hotel and raped. Luckily, the guy was caught.

Happened in early June, guy was from southern Ohio. He was engaged, and in town for a bachelor party.

Hoefully, he'll get the 25 years, or...................they could just shoot him !!:rockon:

massillon catholic

08-10-2007, 01:57 PM