Another silly question - OHSAA

[massillonmarine]

Why is it that we always complain about the OHSAA every year and do nothing about it? Why is it that everyone complains about the OHSAA and does nothing about it? Why is it that everyone in the world knows the OHSAA lines their pockets and vacations to Hawaii..etc and we do nothing about it?


Why? Why? Why?

Can't they be held accountable or impeached or voted out or something?

[ChronicTiger]

Why is it that we always complain about the OHSAA every year and do nothing about it? Why is it that everyone complains about the OHSAA and does nothing about it? Why is it that everyone in the world knows the OHSAA lines their pockets and vacations to Hawaii..etc and we do nothing about it?


Why? Why? Why?

Can't they be held accountable or impeached or voted out or something?

What are some of the things on your short list of things to do?

[massillonmarine]

The post was just meant in general. I think the biggest gripe about the OHSAA is the officiating. Next would be the ticket sales. Third would be the placement of playoff games. Officiating seems to be bought and paid for before the season ever starts. Tickets sales are under-numbered. Places like Mansfield after a weeks worth or more of rain gets multiple playoff games.

Also, it hasn't happend yet, but as shady as I've ever known the OHSAA to be, I could see them putting Massillon in Division 2 and cutting out the option to bump up. I'm aware it hasn't happend, but stranger things have happend. Like an earlier post had said....I can't for the life of me remember who it was, but they said can you imagine a road playoff game at a Division 2 site?

Anywho....was just searching for information on how the OHSAA could be handled if need be.

[ChronicTiger]

call in the marines?

[xtiger]

I think it would behoove us to all, if we get our armored calvary united, and barnstorm their offices, demanding reform!:weightlift:

[Obie Wan]

Tickets sales are under-numbered.
I have yet to see one shred of quantifiable evidence that this is true. What I have seen is anecdotal evidence like "It looked full to me."

Places like Mansfield after a weeks worth or more of rain gets multiple playoff games.
I would submit that's more a function of geography than anything else.

Also, it hasn't happend yet, but as shady as I've ever known the OHSAA to be, I could see them putting Massillon in Division 2 and cutting out the option to bump up.
Why would that be shady? It's not OHSAA's fault that Massillon's enrollment had been declining for 25 years. Do you think they should establish the D1 cutoff only after checking Massillon's enrollment?

I can't for the life of me remember who it was, but they said can you imagine a road playoff game at a Division 2 site?
It's likely that would only be an issue in a first round game. Anyway, there's no such thing as a "Division 2 site". In subsequent rounds, the venues are selected with the anticipated crowd taken into consideration. I dare say Massillon-Avon Lake would be in the Rubber Bowl long before Fitch-Green.

Finally, you might remember that the D2 title game is at PBTS. Is that an inadequate facility?

[Smitty]

As I said in another thread & post:

Membership in OHHSAA is voluntary.

:wall:

A few years ago, a certain football coach (not all that far from Massillon, I might add) had a temporaray melt-down of the emotional type following a playoff loss to a parochial (or is it private?) school. He wanted to get a group of PUBLIC schools together, renounce OHHSAA and start a separate group ... obviously, without private (or is it parochial?) school members. He didn't get enough response & committment to accomplish this.

Perhaps things have changed?

IF the "big" name football schools would band together, tell OHHSAA to "kiss this" (YKWIM), and have their own post-season tournament (without Iggy, Ed, X, Moe, Elder, etc.) ... it MIGHT work.

Schools such as Massillon, McKinley, Warren Harding, Colerain, et al would have to stick to their guns and not flinch.

[jegm]

I would rather Massillon be runner up in the division 1 state championship than win the division 2 title . The tigers can hold their own with any division 1 school as proven last year.:poke: :poke:

[massillonmarine]

Obie Wan- Please don't act like what I said has no merit. These are the type of things that Ohioans have been saying for years. It's fine that you like to pick apart my post. Doesn't bother me. Ohioans wouldn't be saying the same, as you would imply "ignorant", things year in and year out if there wasn't something to it. Yes, I'm aware that the Division 2 final is at PBTS. Wow, who pee'd in your wheaties today?

Smitty- It sure would be nice for that to happen. I just don't see it happening.

Like I said earlier, it was general and I wanted to know what could be done...ie...what people thought.

[tiger#22]

[QUOTE=Obie Wan]I have yet to see one shred of quantifiable evidence that this is true. What I have seen is anecdotal evidence like "It looked full to me."


1994 Massillon-Mckinley Regional Champ. at the Akron Rubber Bowl. Do you know what the OHSAA has in the books for the attendance at that game?

[Obie Wan]

Obie Wan- Please don't act like what I said has no merit. These are the type of things that Ohioans have been saying for years. It's fine that you like to pick apart my post. Doesn't bother me. Ohioans wouldn't be saying the same, as you would imply "ignorant", things year in and year out if there wasn't something to it.
They've also been saying that the car companies have had 100 mpg carbuerators for years. It must be true if everybody says it.

Maybe this topic is more appropriate for Art Bell. I know that I've seen Claire Muscaro flitting around the stadium in a black helicopter. I could see him, you know, because I had my tin foil hat on; it protects me from his invisibility rays.

I have yet to see one shred of quantifiable evidence that this is true.
1994 Massillon-Mckinley Regional Champ. at the Akron Rubber Bowl. Do you know what the OHSAA has in the books for the attendance at that game?
32,219. So what? The official capacity of the Rubber Bowl is 35,202. You obviously overlooked the word "quantifiable"; did you count bodies? GA venues are notorius for wildly inaccurate and overstated attendance estimates. It's easy to see why people are lined up around the top when there are only 25 people in every 30-person row.

[section3]

as much head butting massillon seems to have had with ohsaa over the years, i really do not think ohsaa wants to see massillon drop to division 2. think how much revenue they would lose. how many fans from other schools went to the rubberbowl this year to watch mckinley beat us, st. eds beat us, and st. x to spank us.

[JazzyJeff]

As I said in another thread & post:

Membership in OHHSAA is voluntary.

:wall:

A few years ago, a certain football coach (not all that far from Massillon, I might add) had a temporaray melt-down of the emotional type following a playoff loss to a parochial (or is it private?) school. He wanted to get a group of PUBLIC schools together, renounce OHHSAA and start a separate group ... obviously, without private (or is it parochial?) school members. He didn't get enough response & committment to accomplish this.

Perhaps things have changed?

IF the "big" name football schools would band together, tell OHHSAA to "kiss this" (YKWIM), and have their own post-season tournament (without Iggy, Ed, X, Moe, Elder, etc.) ... it MIGHT work.

Schools such as Massillon, McKinley, Warren Harding, Colerain, et al would have to stick to their guns and not flinch.

Go ahead, leave. McK, WGH, Colerain, etc. aren't following your lead. I assure you that the Massillon administration and athletic department aren't even remotely thinking of starting their own league.

DII makes a lot of sense for the Tigers on a lot of different levels, and I wouldn't be surprised (like a lof of people), if they do away with the option to move up to DI before 2007.

[mtownwr22]

just imagine what people from other schools would say if we went to D2. Things like "you cant run with the big boys" and things like that. And even worse after we won the D2 championship. People would rip on us because we have had a drought of championships in D1 then we drop to a lower level and win it. That would be HELL:obiefanfire: :wall: :bomb: :notlistening:

[Red50Go]

You mean they'd rip on us more than they do now??? Wow.

And all that changes when/if we win a state title in D1? Or is it 2? Or 3? How many do we need at this point to make everyone bow and proclaim us the king of Ohio past present and future to your satisfaction?

[Kamd50]

MT22, would you also say that the majority of teammates feel the same way as you do? I don't think the adults would care so much, well at least be able to handle it better, than the students would. The taunting from the other schools would be relentless, especially from Mck. Look how they taunt us now. I can just hear them chanting across the stadium or gym "D2" slams everytime we come up against them. It will create more animosity than exists now.

[MTown]

It's likely that would only be an issue in a first round game. Anyway, there's no such thing as a "Division 2 site". In subsequent rounds, the venues are selected with the anticipated crowd taken into consideration. I dare say Massillon-Avon Lake would be in the Rubber Bowl long before Fitch-Green.

Finally, you might remember that the D2 title game is at PBTS. Is that an inadequate facility?


The quote was mine. Here is my concern regarding that issue and it is hypothetical. We go DII but continue to play our usual D1 schedule. Now that it will be harder to make the playoffs (requiring more computer points), a 7-3 or 8-2 record may get us a road game for the first round of the playoffs. Some of those stadiums are so small (ie Maple Hts for example with 50% SRO for the visitors) would have us crying to play in a Federal League stadium.

[Smitty]

You mean they'd rip on us more than they do now??? Wow. And all that changes when/if we win a state title in D1? Or is it 2? Or 3? How many do we need at this point to make everyone bow and proclaim us the king of Ohio past present and future to your satisfaction?

Excellent point.

Nothing would change.

WHAT IF we'd have won 1 (or even 3... the same # that McK & Cincy Princeton have won) Class-AAA / D-1 championships over the past 35 years? We'd still be taking major boat-loads of cheap fertilizer from the @$$-holes on yappi.com because we didn't win 12 or 18 or 20....


Where's Thunder, the insult dog, when I REALLY need him?? :help: