Spielman Defends Massillon Tradition

[DB135]

WHBC just replayed the segment of Buckeye Roundtable where Chris gets into it with Buckeye play-by-play announcer Paul (Cincinnati Moeller) Kiels. Chris leads with the number of national and state championships and Kiels rebuts with the "on the field" argument. Chris' response is in reference to how the colleges determine their champions and the "cheating" teams that have Indiana players playing a significant role on their teams. Kiels can only keep parroting the "on the field" argument and what's their record this year with no other rebuttal.

One of the WHBC announcers also advised Chris was wearing a Massillon jersey on his radio show which was televised on ONN.

[MTigers006]

Thats so awsome. MAybe he hasn't forgotten us after all. This town becomes part of you. If your only here just a little bit even. It sticks with you. There is no escaping the Massillon Mystique! :smile:

[ChronicTiger]

Thats so awsome. MAybe he hasn't forgotten us after all. This town becomes part of you. If your only here just a little bit even. It sticks with you. There is no escaping the Massillon Mystique! :smile:

He NEVER has. Thats just something people that expect him to wear a massillon shirt, wave a tiger flag, and play tiger rag everytime he is on TV say.....

[GrowlingTiger87]

Well Chronic, I will say that when I was watching the Michigan game a couple of weeks ago against Wisconsin, they showed the Wheaties box and the other announcer even mentioned Shawn Crable being from Massillon, Ohio, and he just seemed to avoid any mention of Massillon. That got under my skin a little bit, because it seemed like the announcer was setting him up for a comment about Massillon, but nothing.

Glad to hear about the above situation, but I do think that there are quite a few in Massillon who still believe he slights Massillon. You've got to admit though, it has seems that he prides himself more on being a Buckeye than ever being a Tiger.

[Out-N-Up]

I was listening to the Ohio State broadcast on the radio a couple of weeks ago and the two “Ohio” State announcers took the opportunity to take a jab at Massillon, in my opinion, along these same lines. They then made mention of Chris, who must have been in the booth and laughed about him rolling his eyes or something. This must be a little continuation of who know how many thing he must have to hear and I’m sure he’ll only take so much.

I remember thinking at the time would I really want to recommend Ohio State to any of our players, there just seems to be a negative attitude to Massillon in Columbus to me.

[TigerVic]

There sure is a negative attitude about Tigertown down here for the most part, although there are several pockets of Tiger fans lurking around!

I would think that as we get closer to the 2009 decision on where to hold the state finals, the perennial negativity will grow, particularly in the media.

[Kamd50]

So, in your opinion, TigerVic, is the whole playoff situation the main reason for this attitude or is there something else?

[ChronicTiger]

I was listening to the Ohio State broadcast on the radio a couple of weeks ago and the two “Ohio” State announcers took the opportunity to take a jab at Massillon, in my opinion, along these same lines. They then made mention of Chris, who must have been in the booth and laughed about him rolling his eyes or something. This must be a little continuation of who know how many thing he must have to hear and I’m sure he’ll only take so much.

I remember thinking at the time would I really want to recommend Ohio State to any of our players, there just seems to be a negative attitude to Massillon in Columbus to me.

I think he does the right thing and keeps his mouth shut. If you didnt you would spend your entire life defending massillon. There are so many haters its not even funny.

[warren1st]

There sure is a negative attitude about Tigertown down here for the most part, although there are several pockets of Tiger fans lurking around!

I would think that as we get closer to the 2009 decision on where to hold the state finals, the perennial negativity will grow, particularly in the media.

Fans in Ohio generally knock Massillon which I will not do. Massillon has soooo much tradition and history that only a fool would knock the most storied football program in the country!! Personally, I think they do it out of jealousy. Maybe schools like Moeller have won it "on the field" but I've seen MANY Massillon teams who won it on paper that would have easily won it on the field if those were the way the championships were determined back then.

Hey, Vic, you guys gotta get with it like Chris. Ya need to start rooting for Michigan and wearing a Michigan jersey.:sunny:

If truth were known, Spielman at one point really wanted to go to Michigan.:cool:

[chumly]

I was listening to the Ohio State broadcast on the radio a couple of weeks ago and the two “Ohio” State announcers took the opportunity to take a jab at Massillon, in my opinion, along these same lines. They then made mention of Chris, who must have been in the booth and laughed about him rolling his eyes or something. This must be a little continuation of who know how many thing he must have to hear and I’m sure he’ll only take so much.

I remember thinking at the time would I really want to recommend Ohio State to any of our players, there just seems to be a negative attitude to Massillon in Columbus to me.


No doubt there is. I have no doubt that as much as people in Columbus loved it when Speilman played for the Buckeyes they still hated the fact he was from Massillon (and the fact his head coach had been successful at Masssillon one time too). The "hate Massillon" cancer works it's way into the team too - why wouldn't it, having it all around them.

A really good player from Massillon has a better chance playing somewhere else IMO. it's tough enough playing and starting at that level, why make it tougher?

[MTown]

I don't believe this Anti-Massillon stuff you guys are talking about...at least not in the program itself. Just because JZ isn't playing doesn't mean there is a bias against us. Do you really think Jim Tressel has something against us? He has a picture of PBTS hanging in his office (forget the fact that he lived here when his dad was coach). There is a tremendous lineage between Massillon and Ohio State.

Paul Brown
Half the '42 National Championship team
Jim Houston
Steve Luke
Dave Whitfield
Earle Bruce
Chris Spielman

We even almost had a third coach get a job down there. Had Woody not won the NC in '54, there were already businessman in Cbus making a hard push to get Chuck Mather down there.

Let's not go over board here.

[chumly]

I don't believe this Anti-Massillon stuff you guys are talking about...at least not in the program itself. Just because JZ isn't playing doesn't mean there is a bias against us. Do you really think Jim Tressel has something against us? He has a picture of PBTS hanging in his office (forget the fact that he lived here when his dad was coach). There is a tremendous lineage between Massillon and Ohio State.

Paul Brown
Half the '42 National Championship team
Jim Houston
Steve Luke
Dave Whitfield
Earle Bruce
Chris Spielman

We even almost had a third coach get a job down there. Had Woody not won the NC in '54, there were already businessman in Cbus making a hard push to get Chuck Mather down there.

Let's not go over board here.

Beside PB and 1/2 the 1942 team that played 64 years ago, that's pretty darn short list and I don't see anyone since Speilman and Bruce in the mid 80's.

The JZ thing and Tressell are a whole different story that's been beat to death. Zwick will have a different opportunity in the NFL (even if it's carrying a clipbaord and making a million a year) than he did at OSU, that chapter is almost over for him now and he'll move on.

But, generally speaking, we know that most of the State of Ohio does not like Massillon, and most Ohio State fans are not from Massillon, so beside the obvious logical conclusion that most Ohio State fans don't like Massillon, some of us have talked to those fans and former players who have confirmed the obvious logical conclusion to be true.

A lot of us have known and have been used to this for a long time.

[MTown]

That list was off the top of my head and includes some pretty important people in Ohio State history. You're talking captains, National Champions, and All-Americans. I'm not talking about Ohio State fans in general...believe me, I am aware that most do not look fondly upon us. But INSIDE THE PROGRAM, there is definitely an appreciation for what Massillon has meant to Ohio State.

And I know that the JZ thing has been hashed and rehashed...but the bottom line is that Troy Smith has the chance to go down as the greatest QB in Ohio State history if he beats Michigan again. He's likely to win the Heisman, and has a good shot to win a National Championship. I wanted nothing more than for JZ to go down there and kick butt...but you would have a very, very tough time arguing against what Troy Smith has done thus far and what he still may do. And can you honestly say, given Tressel's track record thus far, that Zwick wasn't given a fair shot BECAUSE he's from Massillon. I'm not buying it.

[ChronicTiger]

I don't believe this Anti-Massillon stuff you guys are talking about...at least not in the program itself. Just because JZ isn't playing doesn't mean there is a bias against us. Do you really think Jim Tressel has something against us? He has a picture of PBTS hanging in his office (forget the fact that he lived here when his dad was coach). There is a tremendous lineage between Massillon and Ohio State.

Paul Brown
Half the '42 National Championship team
Jim Houston
Steve Luke
Dave Whitfield
Earle Bruce
Chris Spielman

We even almost had a third coach get a job down there. Had Woody not won the NC in '54, there were already businessman in Cbus making a hard push to get Chuck Mather down there.

Let's not go over board here.

John Mulbach.....

[Al.]

However Paul Brown had also alienated many Buckeye alumni and the OSU Athletic department, by failing to return to the coaching position reserved for him at the end of World War II, and by signing Buckeye players to professional contracts before their college eligibility had ended.

[chumly]

That list was off the top of my head and includes some pretty important people in Ohio State history. You're talking captains, National Champions, and All-Americans. I'm not talking about Ohio State fans in general...believe me, I am aware that most do not look fondly upon us. But INSIDE THE PROGRAM, there is definitely an appreciation for what Massillon has meant to Ohio State.

And I know that the JZ thing has been hashed and rehashed...but the bottom line is that Troy Smith has the chance to go down as the greatest QB in Ohio State history if he beats Michigan again. He's likely to win the Heisman, and has a good shot to win a National Championship. I wanted nothing more than for JZ to go down there and kick butt...but you would have a very, very tough time arguing against what Troy Smith has done thus far and what he still may do. And can you honestly say, given Tressel's track record thus far, that Zwick wasn't given a fair shot BECAUSE he's from Massillon. I'm not buying it.

I could care less about the JZ situation - IMO his going to OSU to an offensive system and QB coaching style that did not fit him was his mistake, it's over, and that has nothing to do with my original commnets on this thread, where I didn't even mention him.

I understand some of the things you are saying...but the anti-Massillon bias is very strong in C-Bus, including a heck of a lot of influencial alums....that appreciation for Massillon-Ohio "lineage" has faded and is very thin, aside from Tressell's picture of PBTS in his office.

You'll probably find a stonger affinity for Massillon, Ohio in Seattle where Don James is still a hero because of UW's last NC. I've talked to a few alums there and when you mention Don James and Massillon, it's all good.

[ChronicTiger]

I could care less about the JZ situation - IMO his going to OSU to an offensive system and QB coaching style that did not fit him was his mistake, it's over, and that has nothing to do with my original commnets on this thread, where I didn't even mention him.

I understand some of the things you are saying...but the anti-Massillon bias is very strong in C-Bus, including a heck of a lot of influencial alums....that appreciation for Massillon-Ohio "lineage" has faded and is very thin, aside from Tressell's picture of PBTS in his office.

You'll probably find a stonger affinity for Massillon, Ohio in Seattle where Don James is still a hero because of UW's last NC. I've talked to a few alums there and when you mention Don James and Massillon, it's all good.

Who from Massillon has been slighted by OSU? I just cant see turning down talent. Do you have any examples?

[Al.]

I could care less about the JZ situation - IMO his going to OSU to an offensive system and QB coaching style that did not fit him was his mistake, it's over, and that has nothing to do with my original commnets on this thread, where I didn't even mention him.

I believe "that offensive system and QB coaching style" changed considerably after the National Championship and it wasn't Tressel's philosophy in the past (when JZ was recruited). The game changed and Tressel's offensive style changed too.

[TigerCoach]

WHBC just replayed the segment of Buckeye Roundtable where Chris gets into it with Buckeye play-by-play announcer Paul (Cincinnati Moeller) Kiels. Chris leads with the number of national and state championships and Kiels rebuts with the "on the field" argument. Chris' response is in reference to how the colleges determine their champions and the "cheating" teams that have Indiana players playing a significant role on their teams. Kiels can only keep parroting the "on the field" argument and what's their record this year with no other rebuttal.

One of the WHBC announcers also advised Chris was wearing a Massillon jersey on his radio show which was televised on ONN.

I'm sure his defense was more centered around Public schools versus the Parochials and not just Massillon.

[MTown]

Speilman was making jokes that when he played against Moeller that half the team was from Indiana and Kentucky. Kiels was really getting ticked.

[chumly]

I don’t know? Outside of a few players in the last 20+ years, who has even been considered for recruitment? I guess Massillon has not really had that many players who could have played for Ohio State. It is true that some chose to go elsewhere, for whatever reasons they had at the time.

I really don’t care. Plenty of players have gone elsewhere to schools big and small and have succeeded both on and off the field.

Regardless, the bias exists.
*****

Anyhow, our thanks to Speilman for holding the Massillon banner high! I think that his wearing the Massillon jersey does show that part of his heart is still definitely in Tigertown.

[ChronicTiger]

I don’t know? Outside of a few players in the last 20+ years, who has even been considered for recruitment? I guess Massillon has not really had that many players who could have played for Ohio State. It is true that some chose to go elsewhere, for whatever reasons they had at the time.

I really don’t care. Plenty of players have gone elsewhere to schools big and small and have succeeded both on and off the field.

Regardless, the bias exists.
*****

Anyhow, our thanks to Speilman for holding the Massillon banner high! I think that his wearing the Massillon jersey does show that part of his heart is still definitely in Tigertown.

You feel pretty stong about this "bias" but cant come up with an example....
I agree with you about speilman!!

[massillonmarine]

Where's the pictures, audio file, or video clip? I'd really like to see that.

[91' alum]

I don’t know? Outside of a few players in the last 20+ years, who has even been considered for recruitment? I guess Massillon has not really had that many players who could have played for Ohio State. It is true that some chose to go elsewhere, for whatever reasons they had at the time.

Regardless, the bias exists.
*****



Other then JZ, T. McGuire was the last I can remember. He left C-Bus on his own accord.

[Al.]

Other then JZ, T. McGuire was the last I can remember. He left C-Bus on his own accord.


Devin Jordan

[monte81]

Other then JZ, T. McGuire was the last I can remember. He left C-Bus on his own accord.

ALot of things you dont know about that situation. travis is married to a white morman women and at the time cooper didnt like that not one bit! Also my brother had 3 reconstructive knee surgeries-- would you keep playing! @hit he has had 3 since because hes knee is shot! I wanted him to play at U. of Tennessee! You dont know how many times coach owens called the house trying to convince trav to change his mind- he came home with a Indiana jersey with name and #1 already made after the visit there!

Players are better off chosing schools because thats were he wants to play college ball! Trav messed up chosing OSU(the only person who benefited was coach owens and he didnt care about trav after he got there), Zwick showed of went to a school that was a drop back shot gun system and he would be a 1st round pick in a few months!! There are 112 DI programs in the country and Zwick and trav could of started for 110 of them! I was so glad that my cousin Shawn went to Michigan-- we dont get played up there. Daily made the right choice also!

[CATS44]

I dont know where the thought that somehow OSU is anti Massillon comes from, but it isnt true.

No High School has provided the Buckeyes with more players.

No HS has provided the Buckeyes with more (5) Captains.

No HS has provided the Buckeyes with more head coaches....Brown, Widdoes, Bruce.

Massillon has given OSU six All Americans.

Every OSU national champion has had at least one Massillon Tiger on its roster. Several of them had multiple starters that were ex Tigers.

When it comes to college football, the Big Four in the Midwest are OSU, UM, Notre Dame, and Penn State. Few, if any, major HS football programs in the state have been better at steering its kids towards OSU and away from the other three.

Jim Tressel lived here as a kid and his dad coached here.

The current OSU recruiting coordinator is a former Tiger coach.

Id say that the umbilical cord is still connected very well.

[ChronicTiger]

I dont know where the thought that somehow OSU is anti Massillon comes from, but it isnt true.

No High School has provided the Buckeyes with more players.

No HS has provided the Buckeyes with more (5) Captains.

No HS has provided the Buckeyes with more head coaches....Brown, Widdoes, Bruce.

Massillon has given OSU six All Americans.

Every OSU national champion has had at least one Massillon Tiger on its roster. Several of them had multiple starters that were ex Tigers.

When it comes to college football, the Big Four in the Midwest are OSU, UM, Notre Dame, and Penn State. Few, if any, major HS football programs in the state have been better at steering its kids towards OSU and away from the other three.

Jim Tressel lived here as a kid and his dad coached here.

The current OSU recruiting coordinator is a former Tiger coach.

Id say that the umbilical cord is still connected very well.

I would say that ends the bias talk...........

:eek:

[TigerCoach]

Don't you have any more solid evidence? LOL!

[91' alum]

Devin Jordan


Of coarse! How could I have forgotten! Congrads on a job well done Devin!

[Smitty]

... Zwick showed of went to a school that was a drop back shot gun system and he would be a 1st round pick in a few months!! ....

IF Justin was my son, I'd have steered him toward one of the SEC schools (eg Auburn, Florida, Georgia, 'Bama, LSU, etc.). But a diploma from Ohio State has a certain level of prestige attached to it; mine has opened a few doors for me.

[Kamd50]

"The current OSU recruiting coordinator is a former Tiger coach".......
and who would that be, please?

[91' alum]

ALot of things you dont know about that situation. travis is married to a white morman women and at the time cooper didnt like that not one bit! Also my brother had 3 reconstructive knee surgeries--
I don't know if you were speaking directly to me Monte, but I know plenty of my close friends situation back then! I was at his wedding and I also brought him back home from his surgery he had in C-Bus that yr.
I wasn't taking shots at Trav or anything he has EVER done. Please forgive if it came across that way.

[obie0130]

Long live Massillon Tradition! Go Tigers, and go Buckeyes!

[DB135]

I'm sure his defense was more centered around Public schools versus the Parochials and not just Massillon.

If that was what was said I would have said so. Chris lead off the segment I heard giving the Buchtel score and followed it up with the Massillon championship information. I'm sure it was done to get a rise out of Lachey and Kiels who both responded. It wasn't a general discussion of poll-playoff /public parochial. The morning host introduced it that way and played it for that reason.

[DAWGH8R]

IF Justin was my son, I'd have steered him toward one of the SEC schools (eg Auburn, Florida, Georgia, 'Bama, LSU, etc.). But a diploma from Ohio State has a certain level of prestige attached to it; mine has opened a few doors for me.

What doors???????? You are in a COW PASTURE 200 miles from civilization, working a dead end job, without Massillon football.

Hell, LongTimeFirstTime, with his GED from Jackson, is doing better !!!:jestera:

[MTizzle60]

greg gillum (sp.?), coach for owens, now director of recruiting at osu

[longtimefirsttime]

What doors???????? You are in a COW PASTURE 200 miles from civilization, working a dead end job, without Massillon football.

Hell, LongTimeFirstTime, with his GED from Jackson, is doing better !!!:jestera:

Hey I worked hard for that. And I don't think they would have let me wear a Massillon cap and gown anyway.

[fyrewood]

What doors???????? You are in a COW PASTURE 200 miles from civilization, working a dead end job, without Massillon football.

Hell, LongTimeFirstTime, with his GED from Jackson, is doing better !!!:jestera:


Don't forget LTFT's Band experience too LOL

[longtimefirsttime]

The ladies liked my flute.

[longtimefirsttime]

If you didnt you would spend your entire life defending massillon. There are so many haters its not even funny.

Believe me, I know. I do it on a daily basis.

[HDTiger]

Not to say that we as Massillon have had many top players, but the dislike thing runs state wide. The majority of teams we face bring their A-game because we are their top game of the year. And we bring 5000 fans. I don't feel slighted by Chris S. but if you listen to him during a game he talks alot about canton. The 91 team that Trav M. was on was tough but was missing a solid passing game, that QB was scared of being hit. Old School Massillon Football is played by the entire team, not a few blue chipers.

[tig62]

longtimefirsttime, piccolo maybe?

[warren1st]

I dont know where the thought that somehow OSU is anti Massillon comes from, but it isnt true.

No High School has provided the Buckeyes with more players.

No HS has provided the Buckeyes with more (5) Captains.

No HS has provided the Buckeyes with more head coaches....Brown, Widdoes, Bruce.

Massillon has given OSU six All Americans.

Every OSU national champion has had at least one Massillon Tiger on its roster. Several of them had multiple starters that were ex Tigers.

When it comes to college football, the Big Four in the Midwest are OSU, UM, Notre Dame, and Penn State. Few, if any, major HS football programs in the state have been better at steering its kids towards OSU and away from the other three.

Jim Tressel lived here as a kid and his dad coached here.

The current OSU recruiting coordinator is a former Tiger coach.

Id say that the umbilical cord is still connected very well.


Sheesh! And you, C44, had the audacity to question my old sig picture!! Btw, Jim Tressel was age 3 and 4 when living in Massillon. The day before PB's funeral I asked him if he was going as I wanted to and he said no.

In reality, only fans of other schools around the state who are envious of Massillon have the negativity toward them. Look at how many people hate the Yankees.

I agree. Massillon has had a long, glorious relationship with OSU. However, in the past 20 years, college recruiting all boils down to talent and it's possible the Tigers just don't have the studs that Ohio State is looking for every year. Big-time college football is really cut-throat and it has no room for anything remotely nostalgic which is too bad, imo. Michigan is no better than anyone else on that score!!

There are only 85 players on scholarship at any one time so the colleges want to make sure every kid is good enough to have a very good chance at STARTING at that school. Back when Woody coached and there were a minimum of 120 schollies, he used to take a few kids just so they wouldn't go to Michigan!

[TigerVic]

I'm not sure that any OSU-bias against Massillon really exists, although the point awhile back about PB leaving and not returning after WWII left a sour taste in alot of OSU fans/power brokers' mouths. In fact, they waited until PB was dead before they had him enshrined in the OSU Hall of Fame.

I'd be willing to conjecture that PB not coming back had some bearing on Mather not getting the job here (in '51, not '54- Mather was a finalist along with Woody). Yet if you read the OSU history book by Jack Park, Massillon drips from many-a-page. Jim Houston is pictured in the back cover standing in front of PBTS (Yet even when Spielman played here, they could not consistently spell Massillon right on the scoreboard!)

Keels and Lachey's commentary during the ONN state title game coverage last year was completely biased toward St. X. You'd hardly know we were even there, although, as stated, Keels is from Moeller and Lachey is from St. Henry. I recall at one instance they were talking about the great coaching legacy at St. X and then as an afterthought noted a few former Tiger coaches.

As far as Columbus in general goes, most people down here don't really care about HS football unless their kids are currently involved, although you do have some perpetual loyalists to each program. Even the media pays scant attention to HS football except in the Saturday morning paper (which highlights about 8 state scores- they always nicely put ours in when we lose. If we play on Saturday, we're lucky to get it in the agate type on Sunday- our Ariz. score never did make it in to the almighty Dispatch, not even in Monday's "late scores"). If it's football, all anyone cares about is OSU. Most have no conception of what goes on in Tigertown.

I think that if they are in tune with HS football, perhaps the reason for bias is either jealousy over our devotion or an elitism of their white collar thinking over our blue collar "cave man" thinking. Soccer is the sport of choice in Columbus!

Another source is that all that people have heard about Massillon during the last 20 years down here has been the so-called "recruiting" scandals, so if you mention you're from Massillon, you get picked on for that because that's all they know from the media (recall we're in OHSAA-loving territory). Put that with the fact that no one appreciates anything that happened more than 10 years ago, thus the playoffs are the "only way" championships can be decided (thus implicitly negating all of the OSU championships of the past).

Yet, when I talk to people who have ever visited a Tiger game or even just PBTS, they marvel at the atmosphere and the crowd size and even the 50-50 prize (usually about $150 down here). I know a guy on Hilliard Davidson's off. line (an Eagle Scout in our Boy Scout troop) who thought PBTS was an incredible place to play. I know a guy who makes it a point to take his son up to at least one Massillon game a year so his son can see HS football as it can/should be. Heck, when Hilliard Darby played at Perry in Week #3, some people marveled at the crowd Perry brought!

[Kamd50]

Thanks to W1, Cats, & TigerVic, for all of the enlightenment. It is very interesting and appreciated. And thanks Mtizzzzzzle also!

[monte81]

I don't know if you were speaking directly to me Monte, but I know plenty of my close friends situation back then! I was at his wedding and I also brought him back home from his surgery he had in C-Bus that yr.
I wasn't taking shots at Trav or anything he has EVER done. Please forgive if it came across that way.

No shots- I was just informing the public of some of the REAL circumstances surrounding the departure! We know how corupt OSU was under Cooper and I never wanted Travis to play there!

[monte81]

"The current OSU recruiting coordinator is a former Tiger coach".......
and who would that be, please?

Coach Giilium is a former tiger Rb coach from 88-91 and is Coach Stacy's best friend! I talked to him a few months ago! Dont look for any favors though! He is a good guy but wonder about the the love for tigertown-- I talked to him about Daily, DG, Darion, etc,... OSU are slow to pull triggers on players from Massillon. Daily would of chose OSU if they would of offered but they didnt so I hope AD kills them in a few years! OSU was looking at Darion on offense and that didnt happen and they are waiting on BG to take the ACT!!! None of our top players in the last few years had the grades to attend OSU and we are not really making alot of improvements in that department!!!

[1600TigerFan]

I would be concerned if I was recruiting a Massillon kid too, lets face it not too many have made impacts at the next level. Its an awfully big pond full of aggressive, big fish out there.

[Red50Go]

Wes Seignethaler (sp?) was another OSU recruit, that unfortunately didn't pan out either.

They just got Zwick and Jordan. Plus Crable was offered. There isn't any bias. Not sure if Emery Moore was recruited. I would like to have seen the Bucks get Antonio James, but we do alright. No bias there. Just as Warren 1st says, you have to be a true blue blue chipper to go to OSU, not to mention the grades.

[TigerCoach]

Yea, Massillon hasn't had many college All-Americans (Chris Spielman, Tom Hannon, Denny Frankllin), Butkus Award winners (Spielman), Heisman Trophy candidates (Denny Franklin), or even good solid Division I players (I can think of at least 20-25) in the past 30 years. We're pretty much on the same level as The Federal League teams.

Give me a break! Less than 1% of all high school players even make it to the next level (Div. I). I'd say Massillon has put more there than 98% of all schools in Ohio.

[monte81]

Yea, Massillon hasn't had many college All-Americans (Chris Spielman, Tom Hannon, Denny Frankllin), Butkus Award winners (Spielman), Heisman Trophy candidates (Denny Franklin), or even good solid Division I players (I can think of at least 20-25) in the past 30 years. We're pretty much on the same level as The Federal League teams.

Give me a break! Less than 1% of all high school players even make it to the next level (Div. I). I'd say Massillon has put more there than 98% of all schools in Ohio.

Travis McGuire and Eric Wright were 1st team all americans in 1991! Alot of players who go DI from Massillon go to schools because name recognition and not the ability and chances to perform.

[TigerCoach]

I think he's talking about COLLEGE All-Americans. Heck, I was a high school All-American from some magazine too.

[Hack]

Monte, That IU jersey was #24!

[ChronicTiger]

I would be concerned if I was recruiting a Massillon kid too, lets face it not too many have made impacts at the next level. Its an awfully big pond full of aggressive, big fish out there.

Why? If you are recruiting a kid I would think he most certainly is a fit for your program....Why else would you be recruiting him?

[monte81]

Wes Seignethaler (sp?) was another OSU recruit, that unfortunately didn't pan out either.

They just got Zwick and Jordan. Plus Crable was offered. There isn't any bias. Not sure if Emery Moore was recruited. I would like to have seen the Bucks get Antonio James, but we do alright. No bias there. Just as Warren 1st says, you have to be a true blue blue chipper to go to OSU, not to mention the grades.

That is definitely a true statement about blue chippers! If you are not the top 10 in your position then you can virtually forget about OSU! I talked to DI schools everyday and most schols still have Shepis as the Massillon contact for recruiting! Sometimes is not about talent its about who your coaches know! Coach Moronto got me a schlarship to UC all the way from Florida just because I sent him my senior year film!!! If MP knows any student/athlete on our football team that has the grades and athletic a profile i can help find them a school! I have a list of contacts from the big east, big ten, sec,etc,...
I wonder sometimes if our coaches do enough outreach to recruiters for our kids!! Crable had is heart set on Michigan since his soph year! When I lived in Massillon he would lift at my house and I know many tried to presade him on OSU but I knew it was not happening!

[1600TigerFan]

My comments may not have been clear (which is my fault). I simply feel that we have great HS football players and they would be very good lower teir D1 players, D2 players and D3 players. Like TigerCoach said the odds arent there to make it the big time and with our enrollment dropping lower and lower that number thins out more.

That said:
I would be willing to take our top 22 of our players from any 5 year span and put them up against any 22 from another highschool covering the same 5 year span. I gotta believe we come out on top because generally speaking when you are playing for the TIGERS something special happens even if the kid is 5'4 150 lbs.

[monte81]

1600Tigerfan,

You are right! this is exactly what I said about "all the players options" just because a team might give you a schlarship dont mean you are going to play!! Explore all the schools available to the player!!! Drobney(sp) started for 3 years at Kentucky and Moore lettered 3 times! You choose a school that you can play and get a chance! The most important thing is that BA Degree Baby!! Zwick and others could of started at 90% of schools-- the system does not fit his abilities!

[gotigers1]

Watching the VT and BC game on ESPN. They starting ruuning their yappers about St. X, Moeller and etc... :sour:

[scottyotc]

My comments may not have been clear (which is my fault). I simply feel that we have great HS football players and they would be very good lower teir D1 players, D2 players and D3 players. Like TigerCoach said the odds arent there to make it the big time and with our enrollment dropping lower and lower that number thins out more.

That said:
I would be willing to take our top 22 of our players from any 5 year span and put them up against any 22 from another highschool covering the same 5 year span. I gotta believe we come out on top because generally speaking when you are playing for the TIGERS something special happens even if the kid is 5'4 150 lbs.

Eric Woods.....

[scottyotc]

Eric Woods.....


Gary Young .....Jesse Robinson....

[chumly]

There are "great" Tiger players who may not have made it in D1 (or II or III) but they did shine in Massillon!

[1600TigerFan]

Glad we see eye to eye now, didnt want to be percieved as being negative on our players. I hope the ENFORCER agrees too.

Just an opinion and we all know what they say about those.....