Playoff Scenario

[Tiger2009]

Does anyone know it yet? Or we'll find out tomorrow?

[Tiger Don]

Here’s the way I see it. Assuming Massillon beats McKinley, Avon Lake beats Amherst, Mayfield beats Hudson and all the second-level favorites win next week, here would be the final results:

1. Hoover (9-1) – 31.90
2. GlenOak (9-1) - 29.45
3. Twinsburg (8-2) – 25.05
4. Brunswick (9-1) – 24.25
5. Nordonia (8-2) – 22.85
6. McKinley (6-4) – 22.10
7. Amherst (8-2) – 22.05
8. Fremont Ross (8-2) – 21.30
9. Toledo St. John’s (7-3) – 20.80
10. Akron Garfield (9-2) – 20.45
11. Massillon (6-4) – 20.35

Fremont Ross looks like a lock at their number. So Massillon would need to pick up two second-level wins to overtake them and grap the 8th spot. The possibilities include North Royalton (5-4) at Normandy (5-4), Brantford at Pauline Johnson (PJ beat Brantford 11-9 earlier in the season; this one is on Wednesday) and Walsh Jesuit (5-2) at Warren Harding (5-4). St. John’s plays Tol. St. Francis, so a loss there could help. Also, a Buchtel win over Garfield wouldn’t hurt. Having Ignatius on the schedule sure didn’t help matters!

[DAWGH8R]

Having Ignatius on the schedule sure didn’t help matters!

AGAIN !!! Zero harbin points & moral victories, won't qualify you for the playoffs.

[Die Hard Eric]

the way that i look at it is.....BEAT MCKINLEY and sort it out on sunday.

Worry about the playoffs next week!

[ChronicTiger]

Having Ignatius on the schedule sure didn’t help matters!

In retrospect having Jordan, Ursuline, Brantford, and Mentor doesnt help matters either........:eek2:


Next year I doubt stow and the other addition will help matters......

I think we had a good schedule we just couldnt win a couple that were there for the taking.

[mtigers4real]

In retrospect having Jordan, Ursuline, Brantford, and Mentor doesnt help matters either........:eek2:


Next year I doubt stow and the other addition will help matters......

I think we had a good schedule we just couldnt win a couple that were there for the taking.

Wrong in one aspect... if we had beat 3-6 Stow instead of 1-5 Brantford we would be in with a win over Mck. Especially since Stow will likely win this week and end up 4-6.

[Obie Wan]

Having Ignatius on the schedule sure didn’t help matters!
Neither did having Brantford on the schedule. Or losing a very winnable Mentor game.

The only thing that went against us that was beyond our control was the last 2 FG's of the Jordan game. The rest is on us.

At this point, it's Beat McKinley and pray.

[Obie Wan]

Wrong in one aspect... if we had beat 3-6 Stow instead of 1-5 Brantford we would be in with a win over Mck. Especially since Stow will likely win this week and end up 4-6.
But then, which win will you exchange for 0-9 Firestone?

[BigTime]

But then, which win will you exchange for 0-9 Firestone?

A year ago Firesotne finished 7-3 and made the playoffs. Stow was also 7-3.

2008 is a rebuilding year for both. Half of Firestone's regulars are sophomores.

[kenhrln]

fed is the right fit. good competition and every year at least 2 go to playoffs. this year year hoover, glenoak, mckinley

[#7 proud parent]

fed is the right fit. good competition and every year at least 2 go to playoffs. this year year hoover, glenoak, mckinley

Won`t happen for at least 3-4 years so your beating a dead horse.

Its All About MCKINLEY RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!
Pound The Pups!!!

[Kamd50]

Won`t happen for at least 3-4 years so your beating a dead horse.

Its All About MCKINLEY RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!
Pound The Pups!!!

Absolutely, #7proudparent!

You guys can go on about this AFTER Saturday's game. For now, how about getting behind the team and help rallying them for the task at hand:gotigers:

[22times]

Absolutely, #7proudparent!

You guys can go on about this AFTER Saturday's game. For now, how about getting behind the team and help rallying them for the task at hand:gotigers:


:iagree: TIG!!!!

[tiger51]

AMEN....I mean come on...who cares the FACT IS BEAT MCK...Come on guys...this could be our last week of Tiger football till next summer...Enjoy the week and focus on just winning and going 6-4

[caseybaby]

I agree lets sort it all out after the clock hits all zeros in the 4th quarter and we BEAT THOSE PUPS

[ChronicTiger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-eavMSBnk

[npaflas]

BEATING MCKINLEY is my playoffs Go TIGERS and make are season just fine.



BEAT THOSE PUPS

[jeroe]

What is next years schedule?

[Tigerbeast]

Here’s the way I see it. Assuming Massillon beats McKinley, Avon Lake beats Amherst, Mayfield beats Hudson and all the second-level favorites win next week, here would be the final results:

1. Hoover (9-1) – 31.90
2. GlenOak (9-1) - 29.45
3. Twinsburg (8-2) – 25.05
4. Brunswick (9-1) – 24.25
5. Nordonia (8-2) – 22.85
6. McKinley (6-4) – 22.10
7. Amherst (8-2) – 22.05
8. Fremont Ross (8-2) – 21.30
9. Toledo St. John’s (7-3) – 20.80
10. Akron Garfield (9-2) – 20.45
11. Massillon (6-4) – 20.35

Fremont Ross looks like a lock at their number. So Massillon would need to pick up two second-level wins to overtake them and grap the 8th spot. The possibilities include North Royalton (5-4) at Normandy (5-4), Brantford at Pauline Johnson (PJ beat Brantford 11-9 earlier in the season; this one is on Wednesday) and Walsh Jesuit (5-2) at Warren Harding (5-4). St. John’s plays Tol. St. Francis, so a loss there could help. Also, a Buchtel win over Garfield wouldn’t hurt. Having Ignatius on the schedule sure didn’t help matters!We are in the 11 spot right now your saying a win over mckinley would not even move us up any?

[The Voice]

According to todays Repository; If we beat McKinley; we slip in.

tv

[CATS44]

A 6-4 FED team (Glen Oak) went to the playoffs last year.

[jeroe]

No matter what the Rep says we need more the a win this week to get in.

[Banks]

This might be one of the most disapointing massillon vs mckinley games.Most likley we are sitting home in week 11 no matter what and we can't even ruin there season by beating them.Just amazing a fed team goes 6-4 and makes the playoffs.

It might not ruin THEIR season but beating them would drop them out of the top 4 and they wouldn't have that home game.

[hartville tiger]

I think the playoffs are over for us this year.We need to beat McKinley to build on for next year. I don't like having to depend on other teams for us to make it into the playoffs. What really hurts is that we could beat hoover, glenoak, and it looks like garfield might make the playoffs. Garfield really hurts since the tigers really dominated them earlier in the season.

[Brian Smith]

Does anyone know what needs to happen for us to get in. Wins/Losses by other teams and what is likley to happen.

[ChronicTiger]

Does anyone know what needs to happen for us to get in. Wins/Losses by other teams and what is likley to happen.

Too many scenarios....here are the cliff notes:

Beat Mck.......This will happen!

Buchtel Beats Garfield.......Toss up

Teams in front of us lose..........The teams in spots 6-10 all play teams with losing records so this doesnt look good...

The teams we beat win...........who knows what they will do.......

[Obie Wan]

We had the ball inside the 10 on 3 separate possessions against Mentor and came away with a total of three points. That is why we will probably be sitting home -- and that's entirely on us.

[pyromaniac]

It still is really bad, most likely we will beat mck and still be sitting home while they play on.

That would sure beat hell out of us losing to them and staying home while they play on.

[Tigerbeast]

That would sure beat hell out of us losing to them and staying home while they play on.True.But I have a feeling after we beat them we will slip in.

[giant lugey]

I am hoping for a repeat of 2002.
We slip in and play Hoover at home

[monte81]

We had the ball inside the 10 on 3 separate possessions against Mentor and came away with a total of three points. That is why we will probably be sitting home -- and that's entirely on us.

Really disappointing to lose to Mentor 3 years in row IMHO! We have had a real problem punching it in the red zone for a few years leaving points on the table. At any level of foootball if you dont take advantages of your oppurtunities you lose! I EXPECTED more out of our seniors in recent years---someone has to step up and be a leader and demand that our players execute assignments and stop getting beat up front, in coverage, man on man, etc,... this type of play is not the Massillon Tiger way of playing football as I grew up watching, playing, and enjoying! Where is the fire?? The playoffs on the line against a real BEATABLE Mentor squad and we come up looking like we really do not want to be an elite team. Our Tigers have to understand that what we accomplished in 100 plus years does not translate from year to year unless we start to bring back that lunch pail mentality ALWAYS!! Never in my day thought I would see TEAMS in orange and black quit, play like average DIII kids with no toughness, or get beat up by multiple TD's but it is happening in the last 15 years. Reason----- we have to be tougher on our kids and expect them to play a certain way EVERY PLAY of EVERY game----PERIOD or go play for another school!

SENIORS----- Play every down on Saturday like your life depends on it and Clobber the Pups!!!

[MaxPreps.com Road Tour]

Sorry to butt in but I just wanted to let you guys know that the MaxPreps.com Road Tour is paying homage to the great Obie this week. Nick and I are in town all week to bring this game to the national audience!

We were pulling for you guys last week and it sounds like it was a tough loss against Mentor. Do you guys think they made the right move putting Partridge at QB??

Check out all the great teams weve seen so far here:

http://www.maxpreps.com/events/2008/5days2friday/default.aspx

[Obie Wan]

Do you guys think they made the right move putting Partridge at QB??
Why would anyone answer that?

[MaxPreps.com Road Tour]

im just curious for my own knowledge to know how the team has responded to the switch in QB's. It sounds like Clark has done a great job at WR.

[tiger#22]

Does anyone know what needs to happen for us to get in. Wins/Losses by other teams and what is likley to happen.

Read the 2nd post on this topic from Tiger Don, if the Tigers win and have 2 beaten opponents win they will be in, unless of course there are some upsets from teams ahead of them in the region.

[Seeker]

Why would anyone answer that?

Because they want to get an infraction or get banned from MassillonProud for awhile.

Note to Preps person: If you read our rules, we don't allow negative remarks during the season. Any discussion such as the one about the QB switch is bound to lead to some clown making negative remarks about players or coaches or both.

[OTC TIGER]

[QUOTE=hartville tiger;127221]I think the playoffs are over for us this year. I don't like having to depend on other teams for us to make it into the playoffs.

FYI...By beating McK in 2001 we put St. Ignatius in the playoffs...They went on to win the State Title that year...We may not win the Title but when we roll the dogs on Saturday I'll take my chances with any team in our region :gotigers:

[tiger cub 2008]

Because they want to get an infraction or get banned from MassillonProud for awhile.

Note to Preps person: If you read our rules, we don't allow negative remarks during the season. Any discussion such as the one about the QB switch is bound to lead to some clown making negative remarks about players or coaches or both.

You're kidding right? I read the above post by Monte81 and he calls our kids quitters and says that they're playing like average DIII kids? What's not negative about that? I think the rules apply differently to different folks around here. Go ahead, ban me.

[monte81]

You're kidding right? I read the above post by Monte81 and he calls our kids quitters and says that they're playing like average DIII kids? What's not negative about that? I think the rules apply differently to different folks around here. Go ahead, ban me.

Whatever dude? I will not go into why I called our TEAMS in recent past "soft" and quitters!! TEAM PLAY NOT INDIVIDUALS--- I didn't talk about injuries, who should of been the QB, etc,.... play the best 11 that works harder than the rest who want to be TIGERS and I will not speak on it at all! I call a spade a spade!

It is perfectly fine to lose a game but not giving maximum effort our kids need to look in the mirror!

BTW---I said the same thing to my brother Pooder last night at dinner! The 05 team was great but it was embarrasing to see them get smashed by the pups 38-8 and losing to Mentor, Moeller, Iggy etc,... in 2006 when we were just as talented. The ENTIRE 2007 season minus the bulldog game, 2008 against Iggy, Mentor, and Usiline just seemed like we would not fight to the finish or conceded games at times during that span!

I lost 9 games during my 3 year varsity play and the worst lose was to Akron Garfield 22-7 and my senior year we lost 3 games by a total of 8 points! Play like TIGERS ALWAYS and former TIGERS who always brought his hard hat to practice and games wont say a freakin word! I NEVER played on a team that gave up more than 3-4 TD's to ANYONE regardless of coaching, mistakes, the team we were playing------NOTHING! If you refuse to lose and bring 11 players on each side of the ball feeling the way that will not happen to any Tiger team.

If we miss the playoffs is because we made mistakes, was selfish at times, and played soft against every squad we were not heavenly favored to beat.

[Seeker]

You're kidding right? I read the above post by Monte81 and he calls our kids quitters and says that they're playing like average DIII kids? What's not negative about that? I think the rules apply differently to different folks around here. Go ahead, ban me.

I won't ban you, but I'll cheerfully give you an infraction for publicly questioning a moderator's actions.
(What you posted above should have been sent to us in a PM.)

We moderators only moderate here part time, when we can.
We do not claim to always apply the rules strictly on an equal basis. In fact our rules and policies state that unequivocally.

We reserve the right to treat people differently based on their personal reputations and past posting record.

We know Monte well, and he was not singling out any one player or coach, or even limiting his remarks to our current team. It was a general statement about the program in recent years.

Any discussion about the quarterback change would have been specific to players and coaches.

[giajay54]

Monte,

You got it all wrong. Times have changed. Massillon is not the Massillon it used to be. There is a pattern and many signs as to why this is so. They have been discussed in these forums over and over. You need to open your eyes and notice that Massillon will never have the winning consistancy that it once did. They will have great teams and possibly win a state title down the road, but probably never put up seasons that they used to. Unless the schedule is altered. To many big schools currently fill the schedule. It is not about being soft. Yes they do make mistakes, but "soft"? How would you know? They play one of the toughest schedules in the state. They played well in most games, so I don't think they were soft. Mistakes, yes. But effort was there. St. Ig, well they are just that much better than us. Besides that game Massillon was in every game. Here is one for ya. How about keeping a coach longer than the boost club wants him. Maybe then Massillon will develope some lost character. Not pointing you out, but there are more reasons as to why Massillon is not who it used to be than just being "soft" or "heartless" like some people say.

[monte81]

Monte,

You got it all wrong. Times have changed. Massillon is not the Massillon it used to be. There is a pattern and many signs as to why this is so. They have been discussed in these forums over and over. You need to open your eyes and notice that Massillon will never have the winning consistancy that it once did. They will have great teams and possibly win a state title down the road, but probably never put up seasons that they used to. Unless the schedule is altered. To many big schools currently fill the schedule. It is not about being soft. Yes they do make mistakes, but "soft"? How would you know? They play one of the toughest schedules in the state. They played well in most games, so I don't think they were soft. Mistakes, yes. But effort was there. St. Ig, well they are just that much better than us. Besides that game Massillon was in every game. Here is one for ya. How about keeping a coach longer than the boost club wants him. Maybe then Massillon will develope some lost character. Not pointing you out, but there are more reasons as to why Massillon is not who it used to be than just being "soft" or "heartless" like some people say.

Keeping it real is what I do on this board!!! YES, we have played soft, easily frustrated and intimidated by the teams we are not favored to beat from week to week. Are we watching the same teams every year line up? I see kids afraid to square up, roll the hips, and follow through with tackles. I also see people not blocking or willing to sustain blocks, I see players taking plays off in games,etc,... IT IS NEVER AN EXCUSE TO GET BLASTED BY IGGY 49-7, MOELLER 48-14, MCKINLEY 38-8, GIVE UP 56 TO MENTOR, AND SO ON AND SO ON the past few years in any season. Pride alone should prevent that from happening!!!!! In 2003 and 2004 we were short on talent and forced to play multiple underclassmen but that pepared us for 2005---I except that but losing 4-5 games a season is unreal. Explain how schools smaller than us do not slide down the poll that far because a decline of a few students.

We tackle with the wrong fundamentals, we cannot sustain blocks, play with no discipline, live on name recognition. Who's fault is that??? I blame it on HEART, DESIRE, AND NOT HAVING A REFUSE TO LOSE MENTALITY OF OTHER TEAMS!!!!

Massillon is not the Massillon it used to be because our kids are playing soft, as individuals, and lack basic fundamentals to win games. Is it unwillingness to learn or coaching? Either way something needs to change. You see coaches didn't have to teach me how to tackle or block because I learned it in elementary school and grew up watching players like Dewayne Crenshaw, Spielman, CJ Harris, Tim and Tom Manion, the Grunos, etc,.... do it, listened to my midget and middle school coaches and we worked our asses off as a TEAM to win football games.

In 1988 we were suspended from the playoffs and could of been selfish and played for schollies or self recognition but we loved each other, worked out together 365 days a year, and had Massillon pride not to give up on the season or our city!

Today's youth in Massillon need to suck it up, work harder TOGETHER, and get tougher----- I am just being truthful!! However, I see some players that get it and work hard for our program every game!

2008 Massillon Tigers----- play until the whistle blows, knock some heads and Beat McKinley. I will be in the stands rooting for you, pulling for you, and keeping the faith that you guys can get it done!!!!! Just Win Baby!

[DE#53]

Whatever dude? I will not go into why I called our TEAMS in recent past "soft" and quitters!! TEAM PLAY NOT INDIVIDUALS--- I didn't talk about injuries, who should of been the QB, etc,.... play the best 11 that works harder than the rest who want to be TIGERS and I will not speak on it at all! I call a spade a spade!

It is perfectly fine to lose a game but not giving maximum effort our kids need to look in the mirror!

BTW---I said the same thing to my brother Pooder last night at dinner! The 05 team was great but it was embarrasing to see them get smashed by the pups 38-8 and losing to Mentor, Moeller, Iggy etc,... in 2006 when we were just as talented. The ENTIRE 2007 season minus the bulldog game, 2008 against Iggy, Mentor, and Usiline just seemed like we would not fight to the finish or conceded games at times during that span!

I lost 9 games during my 3 year varsity play and the worst lose was to Akron Garfield 22-7 and my senior year we lost 3 games by a total of 8 points! Play like TIGERS ALWAYS and former TIGERS who always brought his hard hat to practice and games wont say a freakin word! I NEVER played on a team that gave up more than 3-4 TD's to ANYONE regardless of coaching, mistakes, the team we were playing------NOTHING! If you refuse to lose and bring 11 players on each side of the ball feeling the way that will not happen to any Tiger team.

If we miss the playoffs is because we made mistakes, was selfish at times, and played soft against every squad we were not heavenly favored to beat.

I have to back Monte up on this. It seems SOME of our kids over the past few years have not played hard on every down. We have seen some teams that want to turn the switch on and off and expect to just show up sometimes and win. I'm not sure that has a lot to do with coaching or x and o's. It's mentality. An urgent sense that each snap can cost you the game if your dogging it. I've always believed this is developed as a youngster while sitting up in the stands watching the tigers and just slobbering at the chance when you get to play for the Tigers! We played with many undersized kids including myself through the 80's who made it on grit and determination. I think most all kids "want it bad enough". But are they willing to train, practice, lift, run, study, learn, listen, feel, love, and give for the team not the name on the back of the jersey?
There are those kids here in town still. We just need to get more to buy into it. We need to keep the coach around for more than 3-4 years. Let it grow and mature. Beat McK!

[ChronicTiger]

Monte is what Massillon Football is all about......

He was also a monster in the lane.......don't mess with this cat on the block.....

[Tigerslover96]

Keeping it real is what I do on this board!!! YES, we have played soft, easily frustrated and intimidated by the teams we are not favored to beat from week to week. Are we watching the same teams every year line up? I see kids afraid to square up, roll the hips, and follow through with tackles. I also see people not blocking or willing to sustain blocks, I see players taking plays off in games,etc,... IT IS NEVER AN EXCUSE TO GET BLASTED BY IGGY 49-7, MOELLER 48-14, MCKINLEY 38-8, GIVE UP 56 TO MENTOR, AND SO ON AND SO ON the past few years in any season. Pride alone should prevent that from happening!!!!! In 2003 and 2004 we were short on talent and forced to play multiple underclassmen but that pepared us for 2005---I except that but losing 4-5 games a season is unreal. Explain how schools smaller than us do not slide down the poll that far because a decline of a few students.

We tackle with the wrong fundamentals, we cannot sustain blocks, play with no discipline, live on name recognition. Who's fault is that??? I blame it on HEART, DESIRE, AND NOT HAVING A REFUSE TO LOSE MENTALITY OF OTHER TEAMS!!!!

Massillon is not the Massillon it used to be because our kids are playing soft, as individuals, and lack basic fundamentals to win games. Is it unwillingness to learn or coaching? Either way something needs to change. You see coaches didn't have to teach me how to tackle or block because I learned it in elementary school and grew up watching players like Dewayne Crenshaw, Spielman, CJ Harris, Tim and Tom Manion, the Grunos, etc,.... do it, listened to my midget and middle school coaches and we worked our asses off as a TEAM to win football games.

In 1988 we were suspended from the playoffs and could of been selfish and played for schollies or self recognition but we loved each other, worked out together 365 days a year, and had Massillon pride not to give up on the season or our city!

Today's youth in Massillon need to suck it up, work harder TOGETHER, and get tougher----- I am just being truthful!! However, I see some players that get it and work hard for our program every game!

2008 Massillon Tigers----- play until the whistle blows, knock some heads and Beat McKinley. I will be in the stands rooting for you, pulling for you, and keeping the faith that you guys can get it done!!!!! Just Win Baby!


Monte...you should stop at the tailgate so we can all meet you! I would like to personally shake your hand! You are one smart man!

[slider63]

I hope Monte is not saying he thinks this years team does not play hard because I believe he would be wrong. We have lost some games but not because of effort. This team played hard until the very last play against Mentor. Beat Mckinley! Slider, out!!!

[BigTime]

Thread is way off topic.

BEAT McKINLEY!

[monte81]

I hope Monte is not saying he thinks this years team does not play hard because I believe he would be wrong. We have lost some games but not because of effort. This team played hard until the very last play against Mentor. Beat Mckinley! Slider, out!!!

1 game!!!! 49-7 is all I have to say and what about the Youngstown game!

[Mass6]

Back on topic, if we win, Branford wins, and Garfield loses, does that do enough, or do we still need more??? I'm not very good with the points.

[monte81]

Back on topic, if we win, Branford wins, and Garfield loses, does that do enough, or do we still need more??? I'm not very good with the points.


We are on topic---if we handled our business week 1-9 we wouldn't have to pray to the football Gods for losses.

[Mass6]

We are on topic---if we handled our business week 1-9 we wouldn't have to pray to the football Gods for losses.

Well we didn't, so the topic is what needs to happen so we can get in. Is there anything we can talk about on here that is going to take back what happened weeks 1-9?? NO! Then there shouldn't be any discussion about it. Looking forward is what we should do. What is being talked about should wait until after the season!

[BigTime]

Back on topic, if we win, Branford wins, and Garfield loses, does that do enough, or do we still need more??? I'm not very good with the points.

Looking at the mix and match of possible points the key game will be Brantford/ PJ. Normandy/ North Royalton is a toss up. Buchtel/ Garfield gets us points either way but Buchtel wining would help push Garfield out of the way in our region. Wash/ Warren....tough one to call- Walsh has locked up a home playoff game and Warren still has a remote shot if they win. It will be interesting to see how this one works out.

[pyromaniac]

I have to back Monte up on this. It seems SOME of our kids over the past few years have not played hard on every down. We have seen some teams that want to turn the switch on and off and expect to just show up sometimes and win. I'm not sure that has a lot to do with coaching or x and o's. It's mentality. An urgent sense that each snap can cost you the game if your dogging it. I've always believed this is developed as a youngster while sitting up in the stands watching the tigers and just slobbering at the chance when you get to play for the Tigers! We played with many undersized kids including myself through the 80's who made it on grit and determination. I think most all kids "want it bad enough". But are they willing to train, practice, lift, run, study, learn, listen, feel, love, and give for the team not the name on the back of the jersey?
There are those kids here in town still. We just need to get more to buy into it. We need to keep the coach around for more than 3-4 years. Let it grow and mature. Beat McK!

It doesn't have to do with coaching X's and O's as much as it has to do with the coach's mentality. Attitude starts at the top and filters down. If you have a take no crap, play hard every down coach, then the players will soon follow suit or they won't be playing. Hall preaches team. Give it time and I think you'll see that attitude return.

[Tiger2009]

Keeping it real is what I do on this board!!! YES, we have played soft, easily frustrated and intimidated by the teams we are not favored to beat from week to week. Are we watching the same teams every year line up? I see kids afraid to square up, roll the hips, and follow through with tackles. I also see people not blocking or willing to sustain blocks, I see players taking plays off in games,etc,... IT IS NEVER AN EXCUSE TO GET BLASTED BY IGGY 49-7, MOELLER 48-14, MCKINLEY 38-8, GIVE UP 56 TO MENTOR, AND SO ON AND SO ON the past few years in any season. Pride alone should prevent that from happening!!!!! In 2003 and 2004 we were short on talent and forced to play multiple underclassmen but that pepared us for 2005---I except that but losing 4-5 games a season is unreal. Explain how schools smaller than us do not slide down the poll that far because a decline of a few students.

We tackle with the wrong fundamentals, we cannot sustain blocks, play with no discipline, live on name recognition. Who's fault is that??? I blame it on HEART, DESIRE, AND NOT HAVING A REFUSE TO LOSE MENTALITY OF OTHER TEAMS!!!!

Massillon is not the Massillon it used to be because our kids are playing soft, as individuals, and lack basic fundamentals to win games. Is it unwillingness to learn or coaching? Either way something needs to change. You see coaches didn't have to teach me how to tackle or block because I learned it in elementary school and grew up watching players like Dewayne Crenshaw, Spielman, CJ Harris, Tim and Tom Manion, the Grunos, etc,.... do it, listened to my midget and middle school coaches and we worked our asses off as a TEAM to win football games.

In 1988 we were suspended from the playoffs and could of been selfish and played for schollies or self recognition but we loved each other, worked out together 365 days a year, and had Massillon pride not to give up on the season or our city!

Today's youth in Massillon need to suck it up, work harder TOGETHER, and get tougher----- I am just being truthful!! However, I see some players that get it and work hard for our program every game!

2008 Massillon Tigers----- play until the whistle blows, knock some heads and Beat McKinley. I will be in the stands rooting for you, pulling for you, and keeping the faith that you guys can get it done!!!!! Just Win Baby!

Monte why dont you go out there and teach the Massillon Tigers the fundamentals then?

[monte81]

Well we didn't, so the topic is what needs to happen so we can get in. Is there anything we can talk about on here that is going to take back what happened weeks 1-9?? NO! Then there shouldn't be any discussion about it. Looking forward is what we should do. What is being talked about should wait until after the season!

All we can do is beat McKinley and prey!

However, if 4/5 losses you are happy with every year and prey for someone else to lose then fine but that is not what Massillon Tiger football is all about IMHO!

Win during the season and we dont EVER, EVER have to be concerned about other teams games.

[Mass6]

All we can do is beat McKinley and prey!

However, if 4/5 losses you are happy with every year and prey fr someone else to lose is not what massillon Tiger football ia all about IMHO!

Win during the season and we dont EVER, EVER have to be concerned about other teams games.

No one said we are happy with 4/5 losses and it isn't Massillon Football. This year, though, it is what it is and it's very hard to believe that Hoover/Glenoak/Garfield (who we beat the snot out of) are better then us and belong in the playoffs ahead of us. Hopefully, and I PRAY, that we get the chance to play them in the playoffs. You never know what can happen when a team gets rolling! Good luck Tigers, BEAT McKinley!!!!

[mike_da_man13]

Monte why dont you go out there and teach the Massillon Tigers the fundamentals then?

???? where have u been on these threads the past 2yrs noone on here has been actively trying to pursue a coaching job in massillon harder than monte...

[monte81]

Monte why dont you go out there and teach the Massillon Tigers the fundamentals then?

I would definitely come out and teach what I know to anyone. Talk to some of the 05 and 06 Tigers(daily, BG, and Pooder started working out in my basement in Massillon all the way through graduation) about what I know!

Currently, my pop warner team in Columbus consisting of 8th graders and freshman(no middle school or freshman football in the schools in Columbus) just won the league Championship going 9-0! I ran the spread offense with alittle touch of tressel's playbook I got from a former tiger coach. We averaged 32 points a game and only gave up 8 points a game. I ran a 4-3, 4-4, and 50 defense with multiple cover 2, 3, and 4 scemes put in with the help of my brother Darion. I attack teams on both sides of the ball with multiple quick hitting plays on offense to keep teams unbalanced and a aggressive blitzing style defense. teams couldn't adjust to the quick hitting offense that kept scoring!!!!

Now, I am working on hiring a speed and strength trainers for my son Jabron who just might transfer to Massillon as a freshman next year.:TIG2: He started both ways at FB and LB for Glenwood Middle School(Glenoak). I meet with the trainers on Monday October 27th to finalize the training plan. These are the same guys who Daily and Carlin Isles trained with in HS!

Mass6---I am glad we see eye to eye on the win/losses and i know Coach Hall will improve on that in the coming years!

BEAT MCKINLEY!!!!!!!

[Mass6]

Yes we are in agreement, which we usually are!!! I hope we bring the pressure on Saturday. With a Soph QB, a new(er) offense, and a new coach we should pressure the heck out of this team!!!!! Knock them around early like Indy did and they won't have an answer. Play hard, fast, and most importantly play with HEART and do all YOU PLAYERS CAN DO to get into the playoffs!!! If it's meant to be then it will happen!!!! Let me know if there is anything you need Monte!

[giajay54]

Oh boy. Look, I don't really know who Monte is and if he is a big time player on this forum or not, but I will tell you that I will not hold back if I have something to say. Monte, I have much respect for anyone who has as much love for a football team as you do. You seem to be a true fan. Not really sure about the coaching thing and you. Didn't know you were trying. As much pride as you have you would seem to make a good coach. Monte, you brought up a couple points that could easily have been pin-pointed to coaching. Tackling, rolling hips, etc... But come on, block the pride for just one second and notice that there are more issues than heart and effort. [B]Personally I don't feel that there are many problems besides the boost club and the coaching changes. While some people think there is a decline, I feel that other programs have just caught up. But not completely nor will another team in stark county (besides Mck) ever post the resume that Massillon has. The teams you went against in Columbus, did they have heart and were they soft, or was your team just better and made more plays? Give credit were credit is due. Some teams are better than others. This year's team has shown much effort in my eyes. Look at all the close games. St.I is probably going to take state (or Glenville) this year. Look at the past. No team has ever won a playoff state title in Massillon, so they all must have been soft. What is team is the benchmark for toughness? 1996 lost to Brunswick in the snow game 7-6, 1997 lost to defending State champ Lima Sr. and to the state runner up Moeller(which Massillon had a huge lead with 5 minutes to go) and to state champs and national champs Mckinley by only 14 points and just missed 4 team playoffs, 1999 team was great but an upset in round one, a bull crap call in round 1 in 2000 at home against Marion Hardening (that team was very good), 2001 lost to St.I in state semi, 2002 we blew the state semi game in the final minutes (that is football, Warren made plays in the last 2 minutes and we didn't), 2003 our back half of the schedule was the crazy, 2004 we were bad, 2005 STATE, 2006 one half away from a regional final with Mckinley (Whitmer game the weather took over because we could do nothing on the ground), 2007 you can blame many people for that, and now 2008 in which this team has been tested almost every week and is very close to punching a ticket for the playoffs. Massillon over the last nine years has proven to be a great program with tough kids. How could they not be tough with that resume? Look, your team didn't win state in the 80's. Maybe your teams were soft. All I am saying is this program has done lots for the fans in Massillon and for you to question the players toughness and coaching like you do is just plain stupid. Dominance will never happen like it did, but Massillon will always be a player when it comes to region 2 and in some years the State Finals. The schedule is a meat grinder. Numbers have decline. Transfers have declined. 8 teams make the playoffs instead of 2 and 4, which makes kids want to stay at their schools instead of transferring. Competition has never been better in the area. The Federal League provides kids with great opportunity to excel in football and get scholarships. You don't have to go to Massillon and Mckinley anymore to experience the playoffs and possibly make it to state. The only difference between Massillon and other schools is the facility and the tradition. Now big games, you can give Massillon a check mark in that area, because no team in the county plays in bigger games week to week like Massillon. I could go on and on forever about why Massillon can not get the monkey off the shoulder. Decline no, but frustration over a state title YES. Be frustrated over that. We all are. But don't question the toughness and heart of the team that has faced issues such as tough times in economics, coaching changes, drama within the program, the biggest joke of all the booster club's control, the schedule, being under the microscope with OHSAA, and losing the best thing ever in the program Coach Stu. There is more I am sure, but the lack of toughness and heart is pretty hard to judge. I mean you are not the one out there making the effort, the kids are. How do you know they are not going 100%? Because they missed a tackle? Maybe that running back was better. Maybe the kid wasn't coached well enough. Who knows. This topic has been kicked around on Massillonproud and jjhuddle over and over again. Massillon expects greatness each year and anything short of a state title is a failure to most fans. Yes that should be Massillon's ultimate goal at this point, but if it doesn't happen do not question the heart and effort because the current teams didn't have it as easy as you did in the 80's when every high school aged male that had and interest in football wanted to go to Massillon and could go to Massillon. It isn't the same but the effort is.

[monte81]

Oh boy. Look, I don't really know who Monte is and if he is a big time player on this forum or not, but I will tell you that I will not hold back if I have something to say. Monte, I have much respect for anyone who has as much love for a football team as you do. You seem to be a true fan. Not really sure about the coaching thing and you. Didn't know you were trying. As much pride as you have you would seem to make a good coach. Monte, you brought up a couple points that could easily have been pin-pointed to coaching. Tackling, rolling hips, etc... But come on, block the pride for just one second and notice that there are more issues than heart and effort. [B]Personally I don't feel that there are many problems besides the boost club and the coaching changes. While some people think there is a decline, I feel that other programs have just caught up. But not completely nor will another team in stark county (besides Mck) ever post the resume that Massillon has. The teams you went against in Columbus, did they have heart and were they soft, or was your team just better and made more plays? Give credit were credit is due. Some teams are better than others. This year's team has shown much effort in my eyes. Look at all the close games. St.I is probably going to take state (or Glenville) this year. Look at the past. No team has ever won a playoff state title in Massillon, so they all must have been soft. What is team is the benchmark for toughness? 1996 lost to Brunswick in the snow game 7-6, 1997 lost to defending State champ Lima Sr. and to the state runner up Moeller(which Massillon had a huge lead with 5 minutes to go) and to state champs and national champs Mckinley by only 14 points and just missed 4 team playoffs, 1999 team was great but an upset in round one, a bull crap call in round 1 in 2000 at home against Marion Hardening (that team was very good), 2001 lost to St.I in state semi, 2002 we blew the state semi game in the final minutes (that is football, Warren made plays in the last 2 minutes and we didn't), 2003 our back half of the schedule was the crazy, 2004 we were bad, 2005 STATE, 2006 one half away from a regional final with Mckinley (Whitmer game the weather took over because we could do nothing on the ground), 2007 you can blame many people for that, and now 2008 in which this team has been tested almost every week and is very close to punching a ticket for the playoffs. Massillon over the last nine years has proven to be a great program with tough kids. How could they not be tough with that resume? Look, your team didn't win state in the 80's. Maybe your teams were soft. All I am saying is this program has done lots for the fans in Massillon and for you to question the players toughness and coaching like you do is just plain stupid. Dominance will never happen like it did, but Massillon will always be a player when it comes to region 2 and in some years the State Finals. The schedule is a meat grinder. Numbers have decline. Transfers have declined. 8 teams make the playoffs instead of 2 and 4, which makes kids want to stay at their schools instead of transferring. Competition has never been better in the area. The Federal League provides kids with great opportunity to excel in football and get scholarships. You don't have to go to Massillon and Mckinley anymore to experience the playoffs and possibly make it to state. The only difference between Massillon and other schools is the facility and the tradition. Now big games, you can give Massillon a check mark in that area, because no team in the county plays in bigger games week to week like Massillon. I could go on and on forever about why Massillon can not get the monkey off the shoulder. Decline no, but frustration over a state title YES. Be frustrated over that. We all are. But don't question the toughness and heart of the team that has faced issues such as tough times in economics, coaching changes, drama within the program, the biggest joke of all the booster club's control, the schedule, being under the microscope with OHSAA, and losing the best thing ever in the program Coach Stu. There is more I am sure, but the lack of toughness and heart is pretty hard to judge. I mean you are not the one out there making the effort, the kids are. How do you know they are not going 100%? Because they missed a tackle? Maybe that running back was better. Maybe the kid wasn't coached well enough. Who knows. This topic has been kicked around on Massillonproud and jjhuddle over and over again. Massillon expects greatness each year and anything short of a state title is a failure to most fans. Yes that should be Massillon's ultimate goal at this point, but if it doesn't happen do not question the heart and effort because the current teams didn't have it as easy as you did in the 80's when every high school aged male that had and interest in football wanted to go to Massillon and could go to Massillon. It isn't the same but the effort is.

We knew the Shepis teams were not going to be soft because the coach was hard as nails and took no crap from the players, boosters, fans, family, etc,.... however, in the past 4 seasons excluding the 2005 team we were soft on defense and mediocre on offense. This year we are building on something and I support Coach Hall 100% even though we have never had 1 coaching/personal conversation but if my friend BJ Payne gave him an endorsement than that was all I needed to know.

We will always have tough hard nosed kids in Massillon but we need a few more to get to the promise land!!!! No excuses for ever missing tackles because if you hit, wrap, and roll you can tackle Earl Campbell. For real---I have not seen many teams athletically better but they just want it more---HEART AND MENTALITY IS THE KEY!!!
FYI-----my 1988 team was ranked #4 in the state but was SUSPENDED from the playoffs because of some crap that happened when I was in elementary school but would have been HELL TO PLAY if we hadn't!!!
My team down here has played teams from Gahanna, Dayton, etc,... but I had a horse in the backfield and a DI prospect at WR that noone could cover and a bunch of hard nosed kids. they practiced hard everyday and we NEVER had enough players to even scrimmage ourselves but prepared the old fashioned way----repetition of plays, reviewing our defensive scemes and the good ol' Oklahoma drills everyday at the end of practice. The Championship game was close until the 4th quarter against Columbus East because my RB was sitting out the 1st half for disciplinary reasons---- he had 7 carries in the 4th quarter for over 100 yards and a TD and we played without our best WR I talked about earlier!

[tiger#22]

We knew the Shepis teams were not going to be soft because the coach was hard as nails and took no crap from the players, boosters, fans, family, etc,.... however, in the past 4 seasons excluding the 2005 team we were soft on defense and mediocre on offense.

There isnt anybody who can honestly debate this. Thanks Monte for saying it. I think Coach Hall will get to that point and hopefully we can then keep him here for 10 years MINIMUM, there is just no way you can have a YES man as the HC in this city because it will eat him alive as we saw with Stacy.

[DE#53]

It doesn't have to do with coaching X's and O's as much as it has to do with the coach's mentality. Attitude starts at the top and filters down. If you have a take no crap, play hard every down coach, then the players will soon follow suit or they won't be playing. Hall preaches team. Give it time and I think you'll see that attitude return.

It's about desire. no coach can put that in a kid. He has it or he doesn't. A coach can inspire but when it's 4th and one on the goal line coach isn't out there on the goal line with them. It's our 11 players vs. theirs and who wants it the most will generally prevail. Technique can be coached but it's the motor within that beats the man over you every time!

Remember those short players for Akron Garfield about 10 years ago that were real good wrestlers? I think they were nephews of the coach. They had no size or height but were playing the "biggest" on the field all night.

[MTigers006]

Well we didn't, so the topic is what needs to happen so we can get in. Is there anything we can talk about on here that is going to take back what happened weeks 1-9?? NO! Then there shouldn't be any discussion about it. Looking forward is what we should do. What is being talked about should wait until after the season!

What he means is we should carry those results with us as lessons for next season and beyond as to not repeat them and get back to playing Massillon Football so we dont ever have to worry about making the playoffs. If we would have done our job in the first place we wouldnt have to worry. Like it or not Monte is right on with this one. There is no excuse for 11 penalties for 92 yards in ANY football game no matter what level.

[MTigers006]

No one said we are happy with 4/5 losses and it isn't Massillon Football. This year, though, it is what it is and it's very hard to believe that Hoover/Glenoak/Garfield (who we beat the snot out of) are better then us and belong in the playoffs ahead of us. Hopefully, and I PRAY, that we get the chance to play them in the playoffs. You never know what can happen when a team gets rolling! Good luck Tigers, BEAT McKinley!!!!


Doesn't strength of schedule help determine what seed you get in the standings also in some way. Not saying we had a cupckae sedule by the way. They had key wins that we simply didn't get.

[xtiger]

[QUOTE=DE#53;127646]It's about desire. no coach can put that in a kid. He has it or he doesn't. A coach can inspire but when it's 4th and one on the goal line coach isn't out there on the goal line.QUOTE]

I think there was a coach named Wells that could make you have desire! lol

[Mass6]

What he means is we should carry those results with us as lessons for next season and beyond as to not repeat them and get back to playing Massillon Football so we dont ever have to worry about making the playoffs. If we would have done our job in the first place we wouldnt have to worry. Like it or not Monte is right on with this one. There is no excuse for 11 penalties for 92 yards in ANY football game no matter what level.

who said he isn't right??? All I'm saying is there is nothing we can do about weeks 1-9. Yes they did determine our fate and if they hadn't happened we wouldn't be in the place we are. However, the title of this thread is Playoff Scenario, not What we did wrong to get in this position. Not saying anything about the past, that was the only point I was making. Beating a dead horse does no good when the players still have at least a game to play and possibly more. You don't think they've heard this enough about penalties and missed opportunities???

[MTigers006]

[QUOTE=DE#53;127646]It's about desire. no coach can put that in a kid. He has it or he doesn't. A coach can inspire but when it's 4th and one on the goal line coach isn't out there on the goal line.QUOTE]

I think there was a coach named Wells that could make you have desire! lol

Coach Gary Wells if im correct.

[MTigers006]

who said he isn't right??? All I'm saying is there is nothing we can do about weeks 1-9. Yes they did determine our fate and if they hadn't happened we wouldn't be in the place we are. However, the title of this thread is Playoff Scenario, not What we did wrong to get in this position. Not saying anything about the past, that was the only point I was making. Beating a dead horse does no good when the players still have at least a game to play and possibly more. You don't think they've heard this enough about penalties and missed opportunities???


I was in agreement with you.

[MTigers006]

who said he isn't right??? All I'm saying is there is nothing we can do about weeks 1-9. Yes they did determine our fate and if they hadn't happened we wouldn't be in the place we are. However, the title of this thread is Playoff Scenario, not What we did wrong to get in this position. Not saying anything about the past, that was the only point I was making. Beating a dead horse does no good when the players still have at least a game to play and possibly more. You don't think they've heard this enough about penalties and missed opportunities???


I was in agreement with you and adding my opinion as to what I thought Monte was saying. Sorry if I offended you. Go Tigers.

[xtiger]

[QUOTE=xtiger;127679]

Coach Gary Wells if im correct.

That is correct. One of the good guys!

[Mass6]

I was in agreement with you and adding my opinion as to what I thought Monte was saying. Sorry if I offended you. Go Tigers.

No offense taken, trust me. I knew you were agreeing with me, just wanted to add to it a bit. I'm a former Tiger, I have thicker skin then that!!!!!LOL:drinkem:

[DE#53]

[QUOTE=DE#53;127646]It's about desire. no coach can put that in a kid. He has it or he doesn't. A coach can inspire but when it's 4th and one on the goal line coach isn't out there on the goal line.QUOTE]

I think there was a coach named Wells that could make you have desire! lol

He put the fear of god in you. He got me during a time out in the Altoona game in 1988!

[massillonmarine]

With the Brantford and Normandy wins, puts us in 9th? Sweet, seems like it's falling into place with a WIN. Take care of business Tigers.

[CarlE]

Win, baby WIN. Go Tigers.

[MTigers006]

No offense taken, trust me. I knew you were agreeing with me, just wanted to add to it a bit. I'm a former Tiger, I have thicker skin then that!!!!!LOL:drinkem:

SWEET! When did you play?

[Mass6]

SWEET! When did you play?

97-98 seasons

[MTigers006]

97-98 seasons

Thankyou for playing. I always appreciate former Tigers.