Rank Ohio State

[tiger embalmer]

IF OSU beats USC were do you rank them after the game? Will the AP poll have them at Number 1? I'm guessing number 3. Were would USC rank? Could USC still out rank OSU if it is close game?

Current standings

1. USC (this week v.s OSU)
2. UGA (this week v.s South Carolina)
3. Oklahoma (this week v.s Washingtion)
4. Flordia (this week v.s Tennessee
5. Ohio State (this week v.s USC)
6. Missouri (this week v.s Nevada)
7. LSU (this week v.s North Texas)
8. Texas (this week v.s. Arkansas)
9. Auburn (this week. v.s Mississippi)
10. Wisconsin (this week v.s Fresno State)

[ChronicTiger]

I have OSU getting smoked and sitting at 12 after this weekend.

[tiger#22]

They will lose by at least 10.

[TigerCoach]

I'm taking the 11 points with the Buckeyes, but I think they will win a close, low scoring game. The Buckeye D will stand the test, but the O will struggle.

[CarlE]

I have OSU getting smoked and sitting at 12 after this weekend.

I concur. This game will not be close.

[hartville tiger]

If OSU wins then they will be in the bcs championship game since they have no real test after USC.

[Al.]

If OSU doesn't win by more than 1 TD, look for them to only move up no higher than 2nd or 3rd. If they lose,then they will drop to between 15th and 20th place.

The rest of the U.S. (non Ohio State nation) that votes in the polls is on a mission this year to keep OSU out of the BCS Championship game regardless
of how their win/loss record is.

[CarlE]

If OSU doesn't win by more than 1 TD, look from them to only move up no higher than 2nd or 3rd. If they lose,then they will drop to between 15th and 20th place.

The rest of the U.S. (non Ohio State nation) that votes in the polls is on a mission this year to keep OSU out of the BCS Championship game regardless
of how their win/loss record is.

Al:

Can you blame them? I mean the last two years have been brutal.

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

USC will win by at least 17 points.

[Al.]

USC will win by at least 17 points.


Once again, just like KENO has done for Michigan in the past, USC's fate is now doomed against OHIO STATE :jestera:

[ReineyKicker15]

Ohio State pulls the upset by a field goal. As far as rankings depends on how the other teams ahead of us look in their games.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I don't make predictions so the fact that my head tells me that USC will win 34-17 means nothing to me.

[npaflas]

You guy's are putting OHIO STATE in the ground. I think OHIO STATE will play there best game and win by 10. I look for the whole team to be up for this game.

[cfultonTIGER]

You guy's are putting OHIO STATE in the ground. I think OHIO STATE will play there best game and win by 10. I look for the whole team to be up for this game.

whatever your drinkin , send some to massillon , it must be some good sh--.

[DE#53]

I hate to say it but the Buckeye O-line is going to get exposed badly Saturday night. I look for the Trojans to win by 14.

[DAWGH8R]

8:00 PM ETOhio State(3) at Southern California(1)


Teams ---ROT ----Record ---------Consensus -----------Odds
OHIST --167--- --2-0 (0-0 V)------- 35.61 %----------- 45
USC ----168 -----1-0 (0-0 H) ------- 64.39 % ----------10.5

The betting public is on USC at a 64% clip, even MINUS the 10 & 1/2 points.

I guess that not many people think Ohio State can stay within the 10 & 1/2 point spread, let alone win outright !

WOW !!

[PPF-TigerFan]

Ohio State by slimmest of margin 24-23.

[Mass6]

I have to say, that while OSU looked very bad last week, they were exposed by the same offense that has been exposing them the last 2 years, the Spread. If a team has a mobile QB and 3-4 decent WR's we have problems. That being said, USC may be big and fast, but they don't have a mobile QB, they don't run the Spread, and their WR's are considered a weakness due to them being so young. I think OSU will match up better then some think due to this fact. Plus, last week was a classic case of looking past OU and a QB that could run. There were 3 touchdowns dropped by WR's that usually don't drop anything, then the score would have been 47-14 and people would be saying that this game will be soooooo close. I really think OSU will be OK, but USC is a great team and deserves their #1 ranking that they CURRENTLY have. Not promising anything after this weekend though (wink, wink!)

[SternRulz]

Shame on you people! Have some faith and confidence in Tress and our Buckeye team!! And to those of you who are not Buckeyes fans...screw you anyway ;)

:laughing:

GO BUCKS!!!

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Anybody that thinks USC will struggle offensively because they don't have a "mobile" QB and the WR's are "young" is clueless.
Mark Sanchez is very mobile at 6'-3" 225, even after suffering a dislocated kneecap 4 weeks ago. He's at least as mobile as Matt Flynn was for LSU last year, and is a much better passer.
The WR's are extremely talented and were by many accounts the number one HS recievers in the nation their senior seasons when USC landed them.
"YOUNG"? Patrick Turner 6' 5" 220 is a senior that caught 48 passes for 569 yds. and 3 TD's last season in limited playing time. Vidal Hazelton 6' 2" 210 is a Junior that caught 50 passes for 540 yds. and 4 TD's last season in limited playing time.
At USC the skill players may look "young" on the stat sheet, but most of them were HS all americans that wait their turns to play, much like the RB position which is 6 deep with very talented athletes.
That being said, lets all hope OSU gets some breaks, keeps it close, and steals a win on the left coast!

[CarlE]

Shame on you people! Have some faith and confidence in Tress and our Buckeye team!! And to those of you who are not Buckeyes fans...screw you anyway ;)

:laughing:

GO BUCKS!!!

Yeah, the way he coached the last two big games against Florida and LSU sure gives me faith and confidence. You must be kidding me.

[Mass6]

As far as being clueless, I think not. You better check your stat's before you call him Mobile. While he may be able to move, he doesn't. Stats don't lie and I know JDB played a lot last year until he got hurt and it was only 3 games, but he still should have carried for more then 22 yards if he is mobile:
2007: 14 carries for 22 yds
2008: 1 carry for 6 yds (yes I know it is only one game, but if he is so mobile he should have run more then once in a blowout). Your stat's on receivers is also very deceiving, playing in the pass happy Pac 10, plus they both played in every game but one last year so how is that limited playing time??. This is not the USC that had Smith, Williams, and Company. HS all american's doesn't mean crap, just ask Jimmy Clausen. McKnight is a sophmore and carried for almost 600yds last year, so they don't all 'wait" like you say. Careful when calling names, some people actually know football.

[Mass6]

If OSU wins then they will be in the bcs championship game since they have no real test after USC.

Going on the road to Wisconsin, MSU, and Illinois aren't tests??? Penn State at home will be tough as well. Even beating USC on the road is not even close to saying we belong in the BCS game. We do have 4 current top 25 teams on our schedule, 3 of which we play on the road.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Mass6! With all due respect, I think your confusing "MOBILITY" with being a running QB! The USC offense doesn't rely on their QB to RUN the ball, and Sanchez's stats from very little playing time last year are no reflection of his ability to escape the rush, get rid of the ball, and manage the PRO-Style offense they use! The WR's didn't play in every game last year, so check your facts. Here's a clue. Hazelton missed the first game and the bowl game! That's just the begining! Also, McKnight was a phenom last year that got considerable playing time as a freshman, but for you to imply that USC's deep, and talented roster doesn't require players to "wait their turn", just shows how little you truly know!
I'm done educating you now, just watch the game and see who's right. Ok?

[Mass6]

Mass6! With all due respect, I think your confusing "MOBILITY" with being a running QB! The USC offense doesn't rely on their QB to RUN the ball, and Sanchez's stats from very little playing time last year are no reflection of his ability to escape the rush, get rid of the ball, and manage the PRO-Style offense they use!
I'm done educating you now, just watch the game and see who's right. Ok?

I understand what you mean, and please, educating I think not. We will see over the weekend. I'm not here to argue, and a mobile qb makes a spread offense tough for OSU to handle. Like you said, USC runs a pro-style offense. I noted that OSU has trouble with a Spread offense which USC doesn't run. Running qb's in a spread offense hurt osu (ie tim tebow, chris leak, and Matt Flynn/Perriloux), not pro-style offenses. I think we can agree that it will be a good game to watch.

[Mass6]

Yea 2 games out of 13??? Get your players right too, Hazelton played in every game, it was Turner who missed those games. Class dismissed.

[Mass6]

Mass6! With all due respect, I think your confusing "MOBILITY" with being a running QB! The USC offense doesn't rely on their QB to RUN the ball, and Sanchez's stats from very little playing time last year are no reflection of his ability to escape the rush, get rid of the ball, and manage the PRO-Style offense they use! The WR's didn't play in every game last year, so check your facts. Here's a clue. Hazelton missed the first game and the bowl game! That's just the begining! Also, McKnight was a phenom last year that got considerable playing time as a freshman, but for you to imply that USC's deep, and talented roster doesn't require players to "wait their turn", just shows how little you truly know!
I'm done educating you now, just watch the game and see who's right. Ok?

You must be thinking of that other LA school when you talk about waiting their turn. Now if you're talking about waiting until one goes pro, that's another thing, but that is usually after their soph or jr year, and if they wait their turn, that would equate to 1 maybe 2 years of experience. So how are they waiting their turn???? USC year after year has one of the top recruiting classes, so they play young (and good might I add).

[TigerswillbeTigers]

You're right, it was Turner. Kudos to you for googling the facts. However, no class dismissed here lad. USC plays young athletes alot, but that doesn't mean regularly start, or get alot of game time experience outside of blowouts.
The proof of this discussion will come saturday night, when the "young" recievers and the QB with no "mobility" go up and down the field!
Class dismissed! Lol

[Mass6]

We shall see!! No googling of facts really, I watched USC a lot last year on Gameplan, that is why I don't feel Mr. Sanchez is a very mobile QB. You are right, it will be a good game, but I don't think you'll see OSU get run up and down the field on. Then, on Sat night, you can come in and write:" I will not question Mass6" over and over on the posting lol!!!! Honestly though, are you a USC fan or just a college football fan all together???

[tiger embalmer]

I just heard on the radio that Chris Wells will not play in Saturday's game :gasp:

[Mass6]

I just saw that. TWBT, you win. They will run up and down the field b/c OSU's offense w/o Beanie will have trouble moving the ball and the D will be on the field all night long!! Shoot that up with some cortizone Beanie and get out there and play!!! You lose this one and your hopes for a Nat'l Title game are SHOT!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Mass6,

Where's Massillon Catholic to provide the Bucks with divine intervention?

[Mass6]

Mass6,

Where's Massillon Catholic to provide the Bucks with divine intervention?

He's at church, praying for a miracle!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Mass6,

I always knew him to be a Christ-accepting individual. We'll see if his prayers are answered come Saturday......

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Tress says Wells is "doubtful", which more than likely means he'll be playing. As far as USC being able to run up and down the field on OSU's defense goes, as you know, Beanie doesn't play defense. So matter how much clock the O would run off with Beanie in the game, USC will still have plenty of offensive series either way to do it.
BTW! I've heard all the pseudo geniuses lambast Tress in the past aftet getting whacked by Floridan and LSU for either not "pounding the rock" with Beanie, or, "Not opening up the offense and putting 3-4 WR's and use OSU's speed on the perimeter"! So, which is it this week? Do you want Tress to "pound the rock" if Beanie plays, or "open it up and use the speed on the perimeter with 3-4 WR's"?

Last but not least, I wasn't going to point this out, but I feel compelled to do so since you dismissed class first Mass6.
In making your argument about "young" recievers, and Sanchez's limited playing time prior to this year, you actually did a fine job of making my point! I mean, you were attempting to tell me that USC's talented recruits DON"T have to wait their turns to start, while pointing out that the 1 Jr, 1 redshirt Jr. and the SR. we was talking about, haven't seen much playing time! Bingo!
Thanks for making my point. It was USC, not the other LA team I was talking about when I referrenced the "talented skill position players" that more often then not have to wait their turns! Also, I'm not a USC "fan", I like the program, I like what Pete Carroll does with the talent he recruits, much Like Tress, but I'm just a huge football fan in general!
I'll refrain from using the term "class dismissed" again, because CarlE actually has the TM on it here at MP.com.
Great debate, good luck to the Buckeyes, and I'll certainly have a thing or two, or three, or more to say after the game!

[SternRulz]

Yeah, the way he coached the last two big games against Florida and LSU sure gives me faith and confidence. You must be kidding me.

Don't make me come down there, CarlE.

[Mass6]

Great debate it was, and still is......Beanie doesn't play defense, but if OSU is constantly going 3 and out and not pounding the ball, keeping that USC offense off the field then it will hurt the Defense. A fresh D is an effective D.

As far as proving your point......you are correct about those guys being upper classmen, but they are only 2, and in a pro-style offense you need at least 3-4 WR's to play. Yes they played in all games, but weren't anywhere close to the go to guys except for Turner who is the only Senior. I should have said Skilled guys, so in that respect I again concur that you are correct. However, they are young on experience and that could hurt them.

[man2man]

OSU takes loss on national TV, but not a blowout. If I were a betting man, I'd take OSU with the points.

[DAWGH8R]

Line has moved 1/2 point. USC is now minus 11 points !! I guess Beanie is only worth a 1/2 a point !!!

[Al.]

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[Drbord]

The story line leading up to this game is perfect for an upset of USC. We've been blown out in our last 2 NC games and have lost respect thoughout the country. We looked bad last week ,they looked very good in their first game. Beanie Wells is hurt and probably won't be a factor for us whether he plays or not.

USC has already put this one in the win column and they might not prepare as much mentally for a tough physical game as they might have had the above factors not been in place. They won't run us over in the 1st half like they think they are going to do. Frustration and embarrassment will set in with them.

OSU has a lot of talent and is one of the best teams in the country. Our defense is very good especially against a pro style offense. Heacock seems to be able to scheme better against that type of offense. I think Boom is a very good back and will surprise USC's defense if he is used enough.

And almost all of our starters played deep into the 4th quarter last week so we should be better prepared physically for the 4th quarter. Hopefully we can keep it close enough so the 4th quarter means something.

Mix in a little Tressel ball with time of possession and field position being in our favor and you get a win for the Bucks. 27-24.

[CarlE]

You DO know Pete Carroll coaches USC, right?

[Drbord]

Yeah I DO. In some of his recent interviews he looked high.

[ChronicTiger]

The story line leading up to this game is perfect for an upset of USC. We've been blown out in our last 2 NC games and have lost respect thoughout the country. We looked bad last week ,they looked very good in their first game. Beanie Wells is hurt and probably won't be a factor for us whether he plays or not.

USC has already put this one in the win column and they might not prepare as much mentally for a tough physical game as they might have had the above factors not been in place. They won't run us over in the 1st half like they think they are going to do. Frustration and embarrassment will set in with them.

OSU has a lot of talent and is one of the best teams in the country. Our defense is very good especially against a pro style offense. Heacock seems to be able to scheme better against that type of offense. I think Boom is a very good back and will surprise USC's defense if he is used enough.

And almost all of our starters played deep into the 4th quarter last week so we should be better prepared physically for the 4th quarter. Hopefully we can keep it close enough so the 4th quarter means something.

Mix in a little Tressel ball with time of possession and field position being in our favor and you get a win for the Bucks. 27-24.


OSU defense is not as good as advertised. Also, our QB has been in a funk since the Illini came in and rocked us last year. The Vest is going to be too conservative and coach us right out of this one.

:afro:

[Drbord]

ChronicTiger: I agree about the QB. Illinois put pressure on him and he hasn't had the same confidence. Our D will also put pressure on Sanchez. We'll see how he handles it.

I don't agree on Tress. He will go deep early and he will keep the pressure on. The only thing that worries me about Tress is his paly calling when we are in the red zone. That's when he is too conservative. It's better if we score on long passes or long runs which we will.

[CarlE]

Yeah I DO. In some of his recent interviews he looked high.

Uh huh.:doh2:

[ChronicTiger]

something ranks....

[tiger74]

that rank would be coming from the osu locker room as they stunk it up. :sour: kinda figured this buttkicking was coming as that same rank followed them from last week. they need to recruit faster olineman not slow people!!! every year same thing SLOW line play gives up sacks!!!! you can have this kinda line in the big ten but not against the top teams. as you can see with the results from this game and the last few years against BETTER teams!! once we kicked the FG and the trojans went RIGHT down the field it was over. unless you are a steelers fan it will be 0-3 this weekend. as the browns will take it on the chin too I figure. :puke: hopefully there new oline recruits won't be so SLOW!!!!! just my thoughts maybe others will have something else to say.

[tiger74]

maybe old sweeter vest needs some of pete carrolls hippie lettuce. :laughing:
wow MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp must be smiling now that this osu loss took some of the sting out of his michigan loss to ND. hugs all around tomorrow night with your steeler sweethearts aye there MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp.:poke:

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

tiger74,

At least USC never defeated Michigan by 32 points! A moral victory for me at best!!! And my 19 Pittsburgh pretties are looking for a Steelers win tonight!

P.S. did anyone hear Peter Clay Carroll miked for sound telling his defense after their touchdown to "have a good time"? I had to smile when I heard that......

[shooter]

Bring back Coop for recruituing. Get new offensive and defensive coordinators. (They haven't had a decent defense since D'Antonio left)
Coach Tress should just be a figurehead attending to the spiritual needs of the players.

[sidelinewalker]

Keno,You know a have a lot of respect for you, but remember, Notre Dame has never beaten Ohio State buy 18 points either.A moral victory for "me"at least! Don't be too hard on the Bucks my friend,remember,your beloved Weasels have a good but kicking coming in Columbus in November!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

sidelinewalker,

Michigan truly did not look good with the seven turnovers. You know how many times I heard from my mother yesterday about Michigan's setback?

At least there still is the Big Ten season upcoming...

[ChronicTiger]

I have OSU getting smoked and sitting at 12 after this weekend.

Almost.....They are at 13...................

[tiger74]

chronic with the swami pic this week:coolgleam:

[CarlE]

Don't make me come down there, CarlE.

Make that the last THREE big games. And no, Beanie Wells would have made NO difference in this game.

[Drbord]

My prediction wasn't even close. We were not as good as I thought on either side of the ball or on the sidelines. Hopefully we are a good team if not one of the elite teams. Taking in to account the last 2 weeks, I am not so sure. I guess we'll have to see what they are made of in the coming weeks.

[Mass6]

I concur. We were overrated. TWBT, I have taken note. But Sanchez still wasn't mobile!!!!!!! Mainly because he didn't have to be....lol