My take on politics

[Tiger2001]

Well, first some background. Im 25, male, make less than 40k a year, and own my own house(the bank owns it but you know).

I see a LOT of political debates, banter, opinions, etc on this forum. Even though its only in text I can see how passionate many of you are. To be honest I just dont get it. Am I too young? Do I not understand the issues?Should I care more?

From my point of view it just doesnt matter. I think the party systems are ridiculous. I feel as if they ALL lie, so whats the point? Does it really make a difference which party is in the oval office? How much difference can one person and 4 years make? I have seen 3 presidents in my life, I dont count Ronald because I was just way too young. To me its all the same. Same issues, same speeches, same biased views, same, same, same.

So, for all of you old farts who have seen more than I have...isnt it just the same old dance? Isnt there enough faith in the USA to think that it doesnt matter who the president is, we will stay on top as a democracy?

Fill me in because I just dont get it. :rock:

P.S. Go Tigers!!!

[Kick]

Umm, Jimmy - you need to talk to me. I will set you straight.

[CarlE]

Well, first some background. Im 25, male, make less than 40k a year, and own my own house(the bank owns it but you know).

I see a LOT of political debates, banter, opinions, etc on this forum. Even though its only in text I can see how passionate many of you are. To be honest I just dont get it. Am I too young? Do I not understand the issues?Should I care more?

From my point of view it just doesnt matter. I think the party systems are ridiculous. I feel as if they ALL lie, so whats the point? Does it really make a difference which party is in the oval office? How much difference can one person and 4 years make? I have seen 3 presidents in my life, I dont count Ronald because I was just way too young. To me its all the same. Same issues, same speeches, same biased views, same, same, same.

So, for all of you old farts who have seen more than I have...isnt it just the same old dance? Isnt there enough faith in the USA to think that it doesnt matter who the president is, we will stay on top as a democracy?

Fill me in because I just dont get it. :rock:

P.S. Go Tigers!!!

I was going to answer you until you called me an old fart!!! LOL. Seriously, the fact that you didn't see Reagan is the problem. That's the last great one we had.

[werperry]

Well, first some background. Im 25, male, make less than 40k a year, and own my own house(the bank owns it but you know).

I see a LOT of political debates, banter, opinions, etc on this forum. Even though its only in text I can see how passionate many of you are. To be honest I just dont get it. Am I too young? Do I not understand the issues?Should I care more?

From my point of view it just doesnt matter. I think the party systems are ridiculous. I feel as if they ALL lie, so whats the point? Does it really make a difference which party is in the oval office? How much difference can one person and 4 years make? I have seen 3 presidents in my life, I dont count Ronald because I was just way too young. To me its all the same. Same issues, same speeches, same biased views, same, same, same.

So, for all of you old farts who have seen more than I have...isnt it just the same old dance? Isnt there enough faith in the USA to think that it doesnt matter who the president is, we will stay on top as a democracy?

Fill me in because I just dont get it. :rock:

P.S. Go Tigers!!!

I'm 33 yrs old...not much older than you. I agree with 99% of what you said...and questioned. Because I have said (in the past) the same things.

I have come to this realization. As much as our government is corrupt and influenced by money and special interest... it is our duty as citizens to get involved and be vigilant (sp?). If we are not... one day we will wake up and find that we no longer have the freedom to seek our God-given right to pursue what makes us happy.

History is littered with successful empires, which have been eroded from within because their populous was bloated and passive. While their politicians were corrupted by money and power. History repeats itself.

The United States is no different. Our young people (myself included) would rather watch a football game or American Idol, than the political debates or research the issues of the day. While politicians ruin this country by making decisions based on their own aspirations for self or party...rather than the citizens.

It's sad really...and a problem that is not easily solved, because not everyone believes it's a problem.



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[shortbev]

that is the big thing...learn how government is run...and be a part of the process...if you don't do these two things...you lose the privilege our forefathers fought so hard for...

how do you think these people get things through congress? they "lobby" their senators and congressmen...they bug and they bug...until they get what they want...

how many on here have EVER written their Senator or representative??? How many have talked to their mayor or someone on city council??? how many have ever run for office???

how many keep themselves informed of what exactly is happening in our government??? my husband, bless his heart, listens to or watches everything imaginable...o'reilly, hannity and colmes...glenn beck...and so many others i couldn't begin to tell you...quite frankly, i am sick of this election...i have been hearing about it for the past 19 months...do you read the papers??? watch the news...all channels...

do you know what you believe about various issues and why...can you defend them in an arguement? it has to be something other than "my parents were democrats / republicans, so that is how i vote...

how many on here have actually worked on any local elections to see just how things go???

elections and politics is just like life...they are messy and you have to just roll up one's sleeves and get in there and fight!!!


did you know that many in the position of setting up our government didn't think the people knew enough to chose their leaders...Alexander Hamilton believed that the masses could not be trusted to select the leaders of the United States(.http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_ccon.html)...many americans of that time were uneducated farmers and hunters...they probably didn't know much about government at that time...

but, what is our excuse today??? i will tell you...ignorance and laziness...we choose to not learn our history and how our government is run...and we are too lazy to do anything about our ignorance or to exercise our rights to be involved in our city, state and fedreal government...

people want a government that is different than we have today...then, we need to practice the GOYA principle (GET OFF OUR A.....) learn the history of our country and government...learn how the process works...and then put our beliefs into action

[TigerCoach]

My opinion is that the media is partly to blame. Just like in the financial world, the media and internet access to information has made everyone the next Jim Cramer in the investment world. This media and easy access to information has also made everyone a political expert. I can look up on the internet information about how to perform knee surgery, but am I an expert? Heck no, I leave that to someone who is skilled. You can also look up information about a company stock, do you really know what it means and if it's good information or bad information. No, that's why you rely on other people to help you.

Because of this, we have millions of people who think they are making good decisions with limited, and sometimes false, information. These people focus on one issue, usually something that affects their personal life, and make decisions around that. If it can help them, they are all for it. If it doesn't relate to them, they ignore it.

Sometimes, people make political decisions based on where they percieve themselves to be within a class of society. I have a couple friends who are in labor unions and you cannot even talk to them about politics because they are so skewed to one side. That's the union mentality. A closed mind is very dangerous. The welfare metality is also very dangerous.

I agree that 1 person, the President of the United States, is not going to change the world overnight. More important in their actions is the Congress. These people are what drives the country. The President is more of the leader and visionary. That is what made Ronald Reagan the great President that he was, and is also what made Bill Clinton the failure in the area of national security. (Bash me all you want, it's the truth. We wouldn't have had some of these problems with terrorism if things were different in the way Clinton handled them.)

Just like a great football coach who surrounds himself with very talented assistant coaches, a President needs to have very talented people in his cabinet and in Congress. The main role of a college or pro coach is to motivate, lead and recruit. Same with the President, he/she should be a visionary, a leader and a motivator. Right now, Congress is a freaking joke made of people who are mainly out for their best interests, not the United States of America's best interests.

Anybody who takes the time to really think about the future of the United States, and not their own future, will come to an easy conclusion.

Let the arguing begin.......

[werperry]

Because of this, we have millions of people who think they are making good decisions with limited, and sometimes false, information. These people focus on one issue, usually something that affects their personal life, and make decisions around that. If it can help them, they are all for it. If it doesn't relate to them, they ignore it.

Wonderful point...:usflag:

[Tiger2001]

do you know what you believe about various issues and why...can you defend them in an arguement? it has to be something other than "my parents were democrats / republicans, so that is how i vote...

See thats the thing. I feel like I could hold my own in an arguement, but I dont feel the need to do that.

I consider myself a democrat. Middle class, not a fan of guns, dont like nascar :poke:, pro choice. But im open minded enough to listen to both sides.

[TigerCoach]

See thats the thing. I feel like I could hold my own in an arguement, but I dont feel the need to do that.

I consider myself a democrat. Middle class, not a fan of guns, dont like nascar :poke:, pro choice. But im open minded enough to listen to both sides.

This just proves my point about people making decisions based on limited information. No offense to you, Tiger2001, I'm not singling you out, but this is common.

Whether you like guns or consider yourself pro-choice doesn't mean anything as to being a Democrat or Republican. I'm a Republican and don't personally like guns either. I'm also pro-choice and against big government. There are much bigger issues around the Democrat or Republican philosophies.

[5starred]

Ok, I really hate getting involved in this thread but I can't help myself.
To answer SB, Yes I have done most all of what you asked from local level to the National. I even went to Jimmy Carters Ball in 68, one of the coldest on record not to mention snow.
Being a union member I have worked for mostly democrats thru the yrs. Every now and then a Rep slipped in the mix.
Make no mistake when I tell you it make no difference Democrat or Republican they can not act alone !
We have heard months worth of calling for change, ( something we should all be praying for ) but it goes far beyond the McBama's who only see there own agenda being tended to by winning and the hell with everyone .
It is huge folks to pick the package, no one person can do all these guys say there going to do. They have to have a congress and senate that is willing to play ball.
Party lines must be crossed from time to time by all players for America to go forward.There is nothing wrong with the 2 party system, it helps us to set the ground floor for any election.
I better stop rambling.
Just remember these guys can't do the job without the entire system. Dem or Rep when all the dust settles means little. What does in my book is to try and elect PEOPLE who will try and work together for the common good

[Tiger2001]

This just proves my point about people making decisions based on limited information. No offense to you, Tiger2001, I'm not singling you out, but this is common.

Whether you like guns or consider yourself pro-choice doesn't mean anything as to being a Democrat or Republican. I'm a Republican and don't personally like guns either. I'm also pro-choice and against big government. There are much bigger issues around the Democrat or Republican philosophies.

No no no haha I was joking! I'm a democrat but the other stuff was meant to be funny. I thought the NASCAR jab and the smiley would give that away.

My bad!