Sarah

[werperry]

Barack H. Obama had is German audience - I figured I'd post commentary from an English perspective. Have a wonderfuly day.




http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/columnists/fergus_shanahan/article1647092.ece


It was the most powerful demolition of the Democrat hero I have heard in two weeks on the US election trail.

The St Paul audience adored her.

When she duffed up the Lefty media commentators for their sexist sneers, the vast crowd roared approval and pointed in anger at the titans of the American press aloof in their special enclosure.

And quite right too: who ever asked whether Obama could still be a good dad if he became president?

[werperry]

This is the crux of what Sarah brings.

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - Sarah Palin has done in five days what John McCain has never been able to do - fire up the Republican Party's conservative base.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080904/D92VOLMO0.html


All those distractors from the left can chime in all they want. The conservative excitement over Palin will be difficult to silence. After our disappointment with W's failed conservative values... and McCain's apparent disregard... most (if not all) conservatives felt nothing for this election prior to Palin. Palin is seemingly the shining star for true conservative values.

[Paul Brown]

Barack H. Obama had is German audience - I figured I'd post commentary from an English perspective. Have a wonderfuly day.




http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/columnists/fergus_shanahan/article1647092.ece


A WEEK ago nobody had ever heard of her.

Today she is the most talked-about woman in the world. And with good reason.

Sarah Palin's sensational performance at the Republican Party Convention may turn out to be the tipping point of this rollercoaster American election.

Obama fans hoping she would fluff her big night were in for a nasty shock.

This speech has turned the election upside down. It was simply stunning.

Democrats and their Lefty media backers had been sneering that she was a small town nobody, a hick from the Alaskan sticks put into a job way beyond an inexperienced woman.

Believe me, you will not be hearing that again.

Palin turned out to be an electrifying mix of intelligence, passion, energy, optimism and plain speaking.

Full of self-assurance and aggression, she popped Barack's balloon big-time.

From the moment she walked on stage in this cavernous bear pit, bandbox smart in cream jacket, trim black skirt and black heels, she proved that John McCain knew exactly what he was doing when he picked her as running mate.

Hair piled into a slight beehive – more Sarah White House than Amy Winehouse – she blinked and smiled behind her geeky spectacles as the vast crowd went ballistic.

For an unpopular party divided over Iraq and struggling to compete with Obama's Messianic glamour, the choice of Palin looks absolutely inspired.

Main Street America will have loved her performance.

And it was seen by 30million voters – the greatest number ever to watch a candidate for the much-derided VP post.

She is popular with voters for the very reason America's snooty political establishment despises her: She isn't one of the Washington gang.

She's a moose-hunting mum of five with a sledge-load of problems behind her own front door that workaday Americans can relate to.

A child with special needs. A daughter of 17 pregnant. A constant juggle between family and career.

As she said, her family has had its ups and downs like any other.

Last night her first task was to introduce herself and her family to an American public incredulous that the unknown Alaska governor could within weeks be a heartbeat away from being their commander in chief.

Compared to the journeyman career politicians dominating both parties here she seemed fresh, natural, one of us and not one of them.

She spoke to America as one mum to another. She cracked good jokes.

What's the difference between a hockey mum and a pit bull?, she asked.

Answer: One wears lipstick.

What will have scared the enemy camp most is the devastating series of prime-time punches she landed on the jutting Obama jaw.

Showing steel beneath her magnolia jacket, she slaughtered his lack of experience, his vanity, his emptiness beneath the windy waffle.

It was the most powerful demolition of the Democrat hero I have heard in two weeks on the US election trail.

The St Paul audience adored her.

When she duffed up the Lefty media commentators for their sexist sneers, the vast crowd roared approval and pointed in anger at the titans of the American press aloof in their special enclosure.

And quite right too: who ever asked whether Obama could still be a good dad if he became president?

The irony, as Palin pointed out, is that liberal media sniping has only succeeded in uniting Republicans behind her.

The wagons have been drawn up and the Republicans are ready for battle.

The McCain-Palin ticket now looks in exciting shape.

A war hero and a heroic mum. Experience and optimism. A man and a woman.

And when McCain joined the Palin gang – babies and boyfriends and all – on stage after her speech there was a sense of cheeky fun absent from last week's solemn Obama coronation.

How the Democrats must be regretting Hillary isn't running with Obama. Barack's sidekick Joe Biden looks a dull old dog compared with the ball of fire that is Palin.

But most fascinating of all, consider this: If Obama loses, Hillary Clinton will run in 2012. Opposing her is sure to be Sarah Palin.

That would guarantee America its first woman president.

And my fistful of dollars, having seen both in action here, would be on Palin.

If I had to read “mum” one more time….

This is 2008 not 1308. Mom would be the preferred term.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Lets give credit where credit is due! If any of you have ever tried to list something on e-bay, then you can identify with the rare skill set Ms Palin brings to the ticket. "IF" she single handily took the photos, downloaded them in a "snapfish" type photo album, wrote the entire description of the governors jet, downloaded all of the info, set the reserve, managed the correspondence from interested bidders, and completed the transaction, including leaving feedback for the buyer, then by golly she's good enough for me!
That e-bay crap ain't easy!

[CarlE]

If I had to read “mum” one more time….

This is 2008 not 1308. Mom would be the preferred term.

You might want to at least TALK to British people before making absurd assumptions like this. The ones I know ALL say Mum.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Hey Dummy! I'm pretty sure PB knows that!:wall:

[TigerLily]

If I had to read “mum” one more time….

This is 2008 not 1308. Mom would be the preferred term.

If this is all you have to criticize in this article…well, then it must be “spot on”.

[CarlE]

Hey Dummy! I'm pretty sure PB knows that!:wall:

Really? I don't think so. Otherwise, why make the post? If so, now you two are going to change the "Proper English" language? Oh, OK. Excuse my head-shaking here.

[Paul Brown]

If this is all you have to criticize in this article…well, then it must be “spot on”.

It was a good article. Poorly written, but still a good article.

[Paul Brown]

You might want to at least TALK to British people before making absurd assumptions like this. The ones I know ALL say Mum.

So do the Irish and Scots, but I'm not in Great Britain. If I were reading an article about their Prime Minister, I may expect to see "mum".

And I dont talk to Britains, their teeth disgust me.

[Paul Brown]

I just noticed the website says .uk
CarlE is right and I am wrong. There, I said it :)

[bs.gunn]

Imagine the republicans supporting whoever is VP. SHOCKER

I thought her speech was horrible and while I didn't personally have anything against her before yesterday. Now I do and most of those speakers yesterday. I haven't heard that much Bullshit coming from one place for years... with the exception of this board. It's no longer surprising to me when the republican party stoops to new lows. I for one am not holding back punches for now on. What abuncha liars, it's sad to know that some folks out there ate up everything she and the rest of those rotten people said.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

CarlE! I you an apology. I gave PB credit where credit wasn't due! As he said, you was right and he was wrong. I should of known better, I've been down this path before and it's not pleasant. Go ahead, say it. Class dismissed?

[monte81]

When in the speech did she discuss any issues concerning America?? Bashed Obama, but no discussion of Bin Ladin, taxes, or ecomomic issues in America.

Why bring the 17 year old boyfriend now? He is 3 months from fatherhood and should be in school trying to graduate, oh wait---she didn't talk about education either!!

We just gave 1bil to the Republic of Georgia but will not rebuild New Orleans or feed the millions of homeless families, veterans, etc,...

What about the issues?

[savage4president]

When in the speech did she discuss any issues concerning America?? Bashed Obama, but no discussion of Bin Ladin, taxes, or ecomomic issues in America.

Why bring the 17 year old boyfriend now? He is 3 months from fatherhood and should be in school trying to graduate, oh wait---she didn't talk about education either!!

What about the issues?

She took a page from the Obama Playbook...it appears to have paid off for her. I don't buy it...they all suck, but it seems to be working for the elephants.

[bs.gunn]

She took a page from the Obama Playbook...it appears to have paid off for her. I don't buy it...they all suck, but it seems to be working for the elephants.

And which play was that?

[pnthrfan]

The Democrat's convention would have been a little different had our speakers and Candidate known who McCain's running mate was. They could have taken their jabs at her as she did at the Dems, and Obama.

It will be interesting to see how she fairs during an actual debate. Whether she will be as composed and relaxed while not having a script in from of her. Like someone else said , that is when you will find out how much of her speech was actually her, and how much was the writing machine we have all come to know.

[pnthrfan]

What about the issues?

Monte...she hasn't been schooled on those yet. She hasn't been TOLD what her views WILL be . I'm sure she will have numerous meetings with Rove from now till the debates to learn .

[CarlE]

When in the speech did she discuss any issues concerning America?? Bashed Obama, but no discussion of Bin Ladin, taxes, or ecomomic issues in America.

Why bring the 17 year old boyfriend now? He is 3 months from fatherhood and should be in school trying to graduate, oh wait---she didn't talk about education either!!

We just gave 1bil to the Republic of Georgia but will not rebuild New Orleans or feed the millions of homeless families, veterans, etc,...

What about the issues?

I'm sorry but if you would have gotten your head out of Obama's ASS you would have heard her talking about LOWERING taxes to promote business, you would have heard her mention they WILL be improving funding to public schools because her and her children WERE PRODUCTS OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS. She also mentioned about 5 alternative energy sources they were going to pursue including DOMESTIC DRILLING. Economic issues of America? She did a direct correlation to those issues as it related to Alaska and the similarities to America.

Oh, please read paragraph four of the attached. That will dispel the rest of this igorant post.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gHAumM5tEVeq5A6uQyfPVdfEUAGw

[werperry]

When in the speech did she discuss any issues concerning America?? Bashed Obama, but no discussion of Bin Ladin, taxes, or ecomomic issues in America.

Why bring the 17 year old boyfriend now? He is 3 months from fatherhood and should be in school trying to graduate, oh wait---she didn't talk about education either!!

We just gave 1bil to the Republic of Georgia but will not rebuild New Orleans or feed the millions of homeless families, veterans, etc,...

What about the issues?

:laughing::laughing: hollee crap. The next time Obama talks about the issues...will be the FIRST. ...AND he's been running for PRESIDENT for 2 or 3 years!

[werperry]

Monte...she hasn't been schooled on those yet. She hasn't been TOLD what her views WILL be . I'm sure she will have numerous meetings with Rove from now till the debates to learn .

pnthrfan - You may want to lay off the media kool-aid a bit. :rolleyes:

[bs.gunn]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Noonan_Murphy_trash_Palin_on_hot_mic_Its_over.html

Looks like some of the republicans forgot to tow the company line for a minute. uh ohs


Hey I heard that Palin has a lot of Foreign diplomacy experience, because you know Alaska is the closest state to Russia! :oops:

[CarlE]

Monte...she hasn't been schooled on those yet. She hasn't been TOLD what her views WILL be . I'm sure she will have numerous meetings with Rove from now till the debates to learn .

I'm curious. I know you're a woman so I want to ask you a question. Are you as offended as women should be by the fact that the press lambasted this woman by saying that she should be raising her family and not running for office? I know any woman I respect was TOTALLY appalled.

[werperry]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Noonan_Murphy_trash_Palin_on_hot_mic_Its_over.html

Looks like some of the republicans forgot to tow the company line for a minute. uh ohs


Hey I heard that Palin has a lot of Foreign diplomacy experience, because you know Alaska is the closest state to Russia! :oops:

So what.

That's what happens when you TRULY rock the boat. She TOOK ON HER OWN PARTY in the state of Alaska. You actually think some in established Washington are happy about that???

Geeezus... live in the real world for a moment. Just because you have a (R) or a (D) doesn't necessarily mean EVERYONE in that respective party will agree with you.

[werperry]

I'm curious. I know you're a woman so I want to ask you a question. Are you as offended as women should be by the fact that the press lambasted this woman by saying that she should be raising her family and not running for office? I know any woman I respect was TOTALLY appalled.

of course not Carle... that's a fair question.... :sad2:

[bs.gunn]

I'm curious. I know you're a broad so I want to ask you a question. Are you as offended as women should be by the fact that the press lambasted this woman by saying that she should be raising her family and not running for office? I know any woman I respect was TOTALLY appalled.

The Press? Are you implying that everyone in the press was saying this lady should get back to her home and raise here kids? You've got to be kidding me.

[bs.gunn]

So what.

That's what happens when you TRULY rock the boat. She TOOK ON HER OWN PARTY in the state of Alaska. You actually think some in established Washington are happy about that???

Geeezus... live in the real world for a moment. Just because you have a (R) or a (D) doesn't necessarily mean EVERYONE in that respective party will agree with you.

How did she "take on her own party" I hear this but I don't see any substantial evidence to prove it.

No shit sherlock, you're preaching to the choir I"m a democrat, most of us don't believe in following party lines on every single thing, unlike the repuglicans who ALWAYS seem to tow the company line. That was my point. Don't pretend most don't

[CarlE]

The Press? Are you implying that everyone in the press was saying this lady should get back to her home and raise here kids? You've got to be kidding me.

My God where WERE you yesterday. You people were crucifying this woman. To answer your question? Yes, everyone that YOU sent a link from, including that discarded socialite skank-whore Ariana Huffington. (Since you're in love with her web-site and drool over every word posted on there I thought you should at LEAST know her first name. LOL

[werperry]

How did she "take on her own party" I hear this but I don't see any substantial evidence to prove it.




1. Murkowski appointed Palin to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, where she chaired the Commission from 2003 to 2004, and also served as Ethics Supervisor. Palin resigned in January 2004 in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Republican members.

After resigning, Palin filed formal complaints against the state Republican Party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes. She accused Ruedrich, one of her fellow commissioners, of doing work for the party on public time and working closely with a company he was supposed to be regulating. Ruedrich and Renkes both resigned and Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.


2. She sometimes broke with the state Republican establishment. For example, she endorsed Parnell's bid to unseat the state's longtime at-large U.S. Representative, Don Young. Palin also publicly challenged Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the ongoing federal investigation into his financial dealings.


3. On January 5, 2008, the New York Times published an op-ed by Palin, presenting her view that the polar bear should not be placed on the endangered species list. In May 2008, Palin objected to the decision of Dirk Kempthorne, the Republican United States Secretary of the Interior, to list polar bears federally as an endangered species, saying this move was premature and was not the appropriate management tool for their welfare; the State of Alaska filed a lawsuit to stop the listing amid fears that it would hurt oil and gas development in the bears' habitat off Alaska's northern and northwestern coasts.


4. In response to high oil and gas prices, and the resulting state government budget surplus, Palin proposed giving Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. She also proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates. She subsequently dropped the debit card proposal, and in its place she proposed to send each Alaskan $1,200 from the windfall surplus resulting from high oil prices.

[bs.gunn]

My God where WERE you yesterday. You people were crucifying this woman. To answer your question? Yes, everyone that YOU sent a link from, including that discarded socialite skank-whore Ariana Huffington. (Since you're in love with her web-site and drool over every word posted on there I thought you should at LEAST know her first name. LOL

"You people" I freaking hate when people say that. WTF.
I never said a thing about Palin yesterday, especially not crucifying, find me a comment in where I did. I dare ya. I posted one link from an AP reporter that was found on Huffington post and that means I droop over every word posted? WTF x2. I don't even like Arianna any more than I like Drudge, yet I have to know where people get their info and those are 2 out of MANY sites I go to daily. Get a grip CarlE.

[werperry]

The Press? Are you implying that everyone in the press was saying this lady should get back to her home and raise here kids? You've got to be kidding me.

Wow. ...short-term memory loss.

I could care less if the press challenges her on the issues. ...or on her record.

But, the BS that was spewed regarding her family was nonsense. Personally, what angered supporters the most was the unsubstantiated rumor that Trig was actually her daughter's baby?? Are you kidding me? THAT came from the bloggosphere and the mainstream media reported on it....OH...and so did Indiana.

Shameful.

[savage4president]

And which play was that?

The play was was talking without saying anything. Avoid things that matter at all cost, and blow as much smoke up people's butts as possible. Obama was the master of talking without saying anything...I think he has some worthy competition now.

VOTE 3rd PARTY!!

[CarlE]

"You people" I freaking hate when people say that. WTF.
I never said a thing about Palin yesterday, especially not crucifying, find me a comment in where I did. I dare ya. I posted one link from an AP reporter that was found on Huffington post and that means I droop over every word posted? WTF x2. I don't even like Arianna any more than I like Drudge, yet I have to know where people get their info and those are 2 out of MANY sites I go to daily. Get a grip CarlE.

Fair enough, bsgunn. I will stop the generalizations with "you people" and specify EXACTLY who I mean. That is fair.

[bs.gunn]

Wow. ...short-term memory loss.

I could care less if the press challenges her on the issues. ...or on her record.

But, the BS that was spewed regarding her family was nonsense. Personally, what angered supporters the most was the unsubstantiated rumor that Trig was actually her daughter's baby?? Are you kidding me? THAT came from the bloggosphere and the mainstream media reported on it....OH...and so did Indiana.

Shameful.

I think her record includes her family. While misguided the press was on reporting about her daughter that is hardly out of line for this political season. Hell some of you continue the Obama is a muslim tag

[monte81]

I'm sorry but if you would have gotten your head out of Obama's ASS you would have heard her talking about LOWERING taxes to promote business, you would have heard her mention they WILL be improving funding to public schools because her and her children WERE PRODUCTS OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS. She also mentioned about 5 alternative energy sources they were going to pursue including DOMESTIC DRILLING. Economic issues of America? She did a direct correlation to those issues as it related to Alaska and the similarities to America.

Oh, please read paragraph four of the attached. That will dispel the rest of this igorant post.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gHAumM5tEVeq5A6uQyfPVdfEUAGw

Are you still insulting others views again Carl? She talked about some BS and you know it. Do you how the economic hardships in the Midwest, home forclosures, employment, etc,... lowering takes you say----McCain says the middle class makes over a million a year, hahaha. Obama also has talked about the 5 alternative energy sources. So what? The Reps have been talking about improving public schools for years--"no child left behind" with no results!!!

You never mentioned the 1bil to Georgia?

[werperry]

I think her record includes her family. While misguided the press was on reporting about her daughter that is hardly out of line for this political season. Hell some of you continue the Obama is a muslim tag


You're right...reporting on the family isn't necessarily a bad thing. WHAT IS BAD...is running with unsubstantiated RUMORS.

Show me ONE freakin' time I put the Muslim tag on Obama? **hint: you won't**

[DE#53]

Are you still insulting others views again Carl? She talked about some BS and you know it. Do you how the economic hardships in the Midwest, home forclosures, employment, etc,... lowering takes you say----McCain says the middle class makes over a million a year, hahaha. Obama also has talked about the 5 alternative energy sources. So what? The Reps have been talking about improving public schools for years--"no child left behind" with no results!!!

You never mentioned the 1bil to Georgia?

Just for the record. No child left behind was Ted Kennedy's baby. However George W. did approve it. And if I'm not mistaken New Orleans got $22 billion to rebuild.

[pnthrfan]

I'm curious. I know you're a woman so I want to ask you a question. Are you as offended as women should be by the fact that the press lambasted this woman by saying that she should be raising her family and not running for office? I know any woman I respect was TOTALLY appalled.

You know....after seeing her family, especially her little girl and their infant son, it made me wonder how on earth anybody could CHOOSE to not be around as much as they possibly could be during the most inportant times of a child's life. This is when children need their MOTHER S the most. ( especially her littlest one, with his special needs.) She will be away at meetings, on trips overseas, just plain not around. I know that their Father will be there to take up the slack, but it's just NOT the same in a child's eyes. ( Sorry Dad's ...you know what I mean) I feel that with her only being 44 years old, she has her whole future ahead of her to accomplish her political goals, but right now, her children need her more then our country, afterall....why did she have children in the first place? To raise them.....HERSELF, and if she doesn't share those views then she is not the Chrisitan Family Values Mother she is being portrayed as. Stay home in Alaska....be the Governor, and still be there for your children.

Now, I may feel this way because I am not a professional woman, but I do know one thing...I was FORTUNATE to be able to stay home with my children. I was there every minute of everyday with them nurturing them and giving them the love and security they needed. I would NEVER have had it any other way.

[werperry]

You know....after seeing her family, especially her little girl and their infant son, it made me wonder how on earth anybody could CHOOSE to not be around as much as they possibly could be during the most inportant times of a child's life.


You know... that is exactly what I thought when Joe Biden's wife passed away and he chose to stay in politics.

Un-friggin'-real.

[CarlE]

You know....after seeing her family, especially her little girl and their infant son, it made me wonder how on earth anybody could CHOOSE to not be around as much as they possibly could be during the most inportant times of a child's life. This is when children need their MOTHER S the most. ( especially her littlest one, with his special needs.) She will be away at meetings, on trips overseas, just plain not around. I know that their Father will be there to take up the slack, but it's just NOT the same in a child's eyes. ( Sorry Dad's ...you know what I mean) I feel that with her only being 44 years old, she has her whole future ahead of her to accomplish her political goals, but right now, her children need her more then our country, afterall....why did she have children in the first place? To raise them.....HERSELF, and if she doesn't share those views then she is not the Chrisitan Family Values Mother she is being portrayed as. Stay home in Alaska....be the Governor, and still be there for your children.

Now, I may feel this way because I am not a professional woman, but I do know one thing...I was FORTUNATE to be able to stay home with my children. I was there every minute of everyday with them nurturing them and giving them the love and security they needed. I would NEVER have had it any other way.

Thank you for your honest, heart-felt response. I don't agree with it, but I thank you for taking the time to answer it personally.

[bs.gunn]

1. Murkowski appointed Palin to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, where she chaired the Commission from 2003 to 2004, and also served as Ethics Supervisor. Palin resigned in January 2004 in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Republican members.

After resigning, Palin filed formal complaints against the state Republican Party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes. She accused Ruedrich, one of her fellow commissioners, of doing work for the party on public time and working closely with a company he was supposed to be regulating. Ruedrich and Renkes both resigned and Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.


2. She sometimes broke with the state Republican establishment. For example, she endorsed Parnell's bid to unseat the state's longtime at-large U.S. Representative, Don Young. Palin also publicly challenged Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the ongoing federal investigation into his financial dealings.


3. On January 5, 2008, the New York Times published an op-ed by Palin, presenting her view that the polar bear should not be placed on the endangered species list. In May 2008, Palin objected to the decision of Dirk Kempthorne, the Republican United States Secretary of the Interior, to list polar bears federally as an endangered species, saying this move was premature and was not the appropriate management tool for their welfare; the State of Alaska filed a lawsuit to stop the listing amid fears that it would hurt oil and gas development in the bears' habitat off Alaska's northern and northwestern coasts.


4. In response to high oil and gas prices, and the resulting state government budget surplus, Palin proposed giving Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. She also proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates. She subsequently dropped the debit card proposal, and in its place she proposed to send each Alaskan $1,200 from the windfall surplus resulting from high oil prices.

Oh golly someone knows how to cherry pick a wikipedia page

[CarlE]

Oh golly someone knows how to cherry pick a wikipedia page

It's not Wikipedia, which I believe I've lambasted YOU for at least three times this week. Come on, bsgunn. You're better than this.

[Paul Brown]

You know... that is exactly what I thought when Joe Biden's wife passed away and he chose to stay in politics.

Un-friggin'-real.

What was Biden supposed to do, sit by his families grave sites day in day out?
Only thing "un-friggin'-real" is the expectation of ones life to stop b/c someone elses did.

[bs.gunn]

You're right...reporting on the family isn't necessarily a bad thing. WHAT IS BAD...is running with unsubstantiated RUMORS.

Show me ONE freakin' time I put the Muslim tag on Obama? **hint: you won't**

Nope not you, but many others in this forum and in the media. I actually agree with you here. I don't believe the media should cover unsubstantiated rumors. Certainly they should investigate these things by why say anything without proof? One of the many many things I hate about the news organizations in our country

[werperry]

What was Biden supposed to do, sit by his families grave sites day in day out?
Only thing "un-friggin'-real" is the expectation of ones life to stop b/c someone elses did.

Point taken - but, you see no double standard there. Interesting.

OK... how dare Obama take on the PRESIDENCY with two young children. Better?

[pnthrfan]

You know... that is exactly what I thought when Joe Biden's wife passed away and he chose to stay in politics.

Un-friggin'-real.

What's so un-friggin'-real about that? Yes he stayed in politics, he had to ....HE was RAISING A FAMILY. Was he supposed to quit his job? He was the sole money maker.
from her children way more then being the Governor of Alaska. She is young, and has ALOT of time ahead of her.
The office of Vice President will keep Sarah Palin away Not to mention I am sure her HUSBAND makes good money from his Oil Co. job, his fishery, and his snowmobiling winnings .....wait a minute.....who's going to raise their children again?

[SternRulz]

You know....after seeing her family, especially her little girl and their infant son, it made me wonder how on earth anybody could CHOOSE to not be around as much as they possibly could be during the most inportant times of a child's life. This is when children need their MOTHER S the most. ( especially her littlest one, with his special needs.) She will be away at meetings, on trips overseas, just plain not around. I know that their Father will be there to take up the slack, but it's just NOT the same in a child's eyes. ( Sorry Dad's ...you know what I mean) I feel that with her only being 44 years old, she has her whole future ahead of her to accomplish her political goals, but right now, her children need her more then our country, afterall....why did she have children in the first place? To raise them.....HERSELF, and if she doesn't share those views then she is not the Chrisitan Family Values Mother she is being portrayed as. Stay home in Alaska....be the Governor, and still be there for your children.

Now, I may feel this way because I am not a professional woman, but I do know one thing...I was FORTUNATE to be able to stay home with my children. I was there every minute of everyday with them nurturing them and giving them the love and security they needed. I would NEVER have had it any other way.


Although I respect your opinion, I totally disagree. I think it's ridiculously sexist that people think that she should be nowhere but home because she has children. What is this...1950??? It's never been an issue with men. Dad can be Mr. Mom when necessary. And although mothers like to think so, Mom isn't the only capable, nurturing parent.

Lucky you though to be able to stay home with your kids though. I'm not as fortunate, but wish I was! I guess my point is that women shouldn't be looked down on when making that choice.

[pnthrfan]

OK... how dare Obama take on the PRESIDENCY with two young children. Better?

Nope....their MOTHER will still be with the childen.

[werperry]

Oh golly someone knows how to cherry pick a wikipedia page

Well, you asked. ...any comments other than throwing snide remarks for me copying & pasting...? Probably not...

BTW... Palin has about an 85% approval rating. Is that OK for you?

[werperry]

Nope....their MOTHER will still be with the childen.

Great... thanks for the double standard. What ever happened to WOMEN can do ANYTHING? Please...

Apparently the father has no connection with his kids... right?

This "question" is a farce... this isn't 19-friggin-50

[pnthrfan]

Although I respect your opinion, I totally disagree. I think it's ridiculously sexist that people think that she should be nowhere but home because she has children. What is this...1950??? It's never been an issue with men. Dad can be Mr. Mom when necessary. And although mothers like to think so, Mom isn't the only capable, nurturing parent.

Lucky you though to be able to stay home with your kids though. I'm not as fortunate, but wish I was! I guess my point is that women shouldn't be looked down on when making that choice.

I'm not telling her to quit her job, I'm saying stay in Alaska for the time being..... maybe put her Vice Presidential aspirations on hold, stay where she is until her baby is a little older. Noone knows what type of problems her little one may ( God forbid) have in the future. He will need her ....more then the others I'm sure.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Todd has taken a leave of absence from his job. Everything will be just fine in the Palin household!
Obviously as a union member he has the benefit of being able to do so! Interesting.

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Speaking of her infant son, I found it interesting to here her say that the parents of children with challenges will have an advocate in the Whitehouse! I wonder where she stands on Stem cell research, and I can't help but wonder where she stands on all of the issues facing parents of autistic children, which the current administration has done little for.

[pnthrfan]

Great... thanks for the double standard. What ever happened to WOMEN can do ANYTHING? Please...

I didn't realize you were a FEMINIST werperry!! Good for
you!!.....:dance:

[pnthrfan]

Speaking of her infant son, I found it interesting to here her say that the parents of children with challenges will have an advocate in the Whitehouse! I wonder where she stands on Stem cell research, and I can't help but wonder where she stands on all of the issues facing parents of autistic children, which the current administration has done little for.

Oh that's right....she didn't mention any of those last night did she? Rove has a lot of work to do.....he better get busy.

[bs.gunn]

Well, you asked. ...any comments other than throwing snide remarks for me copying & pasting...? Probably not...

BTW... Palin has about an 85% approval rating. Is that OK for you?

I'm just saying there was alot of contrary information in the same wiki you cherry picked your info from.

she's a 20month governor so no her approval rating doesn't mean much to me. Also I'm not in Alaska and have only know this woman existed for less than a week. It's not surprising that every republican is defending this woman based upon the little info they know, she's their VP candidate you have too it's part of the republican prime directive. We'll see how this debate goes after a month when the real Palin is more visible

[Paul Brown]

Point taken - but, you see no double standard there. Interesting.



There's no double standard b/c I have no problem with Palin accepting the nomination if she thinks she's capable of being a mother of a special needs infant and a daughter who has a baby coming. You guys have made her out to be Superwoman, so I'll assume she can handle it.

[werperry]

I didn't realize you were a FEMINIST werperry!! Good for
you!!.....:dance:

I'm not a feminist. but, i'm not a sexist either...

[SternRulz]

I'm not telling her to quit her job, I'm saying stay in Alaska for the time being..... maybe put her Vice Presidential aspirations on hold, stay where she is until her baby is a little older. Noone knows what type of problems her little one may ( God forbid) have in the future. He will need her ....more then the others I'm sure.

Fair enough. I actually wondered why she didn't put them on hold knowing her daughter was pregnant and that the poor girl would no doubt be dragged though the mud. But that has nothing to do with her being a mom. I would think the same of a father in the same situation.

[werperry]

she's a 20month governor so no her approval rating doesn't mean much to me

and how long have the democrats been in control of congress? 22 months? hmmmm. ...I guess their approval rating doesn't mean much to you either...?

[werperry]

There's no double standard b/c I have no problem with Palin accepting the nomination if she thinks she's capable of being a mother of a special needs infant and a daughter who has a baby coming. You guys have made her out to be Superwoman, so I'll assume she can handle it.

We made her out like Superwoman based on her actions as governor of Alaska. Apparently, she CAN do it.

I have been defensive because of everyone questioning her motives as a MOTHER/POLITICIAN.

[bs.gunn]

and how long have the democrats been in control of congress? 22 months? hmmmm.

And that's why unlike alot of people I'm not too upset with them and don't think their approval rating means much. After 2years of Obama as president that's when I think approval rating will warrant attention

[werperry]

I'm just saying there was alot of contrary information in the same wiki you cherry picked your info from.

...and all I'm saying is you asked... I gave. BTW...you still have commented. WIKI was a convenient one-stop shop. All those examples I have heard at one time or another... consider it a time saving step. :heee:

[werperry]

And that's why unlike alot of people I'm not too upset with them and don't think their approval rating means much. After 2years of Obama as president that's when I think approval rating will warrant attention

Let me get this straight. Your barometer for accountability throught the approval rating is 2 years?

So in November - you'll hold Nancy Pelosi's feet to the fire? 'Cause I don't see it shooting up to 11% by then...much less 85%

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Lets all be a little careful here now! At this point, Ms Palin is little more than a "great orator", much like Obama. She took alot of credit for "her" decisions as an executive last night, but she left out a few things too.
Yes, she was a mayor of a town of 9,000, but you didn't hear her mention that the town was in debt when she left.
Yes, she voted against the "Bridge to nowhere", but only after she voted FOR it (much like John Kerry) right up until the last minutes. She said she told Washington "Thanks, but no thanks" for the nearly 400 million dollars, but she didn't mention that she new by doing so, the exact same amount of money she was saying "no thanks" too, was still gonna be ear-marked for her to use in other ways!

Keep it real

[pnthrfan]

Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
Wed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

[CarlE]

Excuse me. I have to go fold the laundry now. LOL.

What? Yes dear.

[Al.]

1.
4. In response to high oil and gas prices, and the resulting state government budget surplus, Palin proposed giving Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. She also proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates. She subsequently dropped the debit card proposal, and in its place she proposed to send each Alaskan $1,200 from the windfall surplus resulting from high oil prices.

That is because the gasoline at the pump price in Alaska is one of the highest in the U.S. As late as two weeks ago the price for the cheapest regular gas was $4.40 per gallon. Most of the oil that is pumped in Alaska is shipped out of the state to be refined elsewhere, then shipped back to Alaska to the dealers. :doh:

[werperry]

That is because the gasoline at the pump price in Alaska is one of the highest in the U.S. As late as two weeks ago the price for the cheapest regular gas was $4.40 per gallon. Most of the oil that is pumped in Alaska is shipped out of the state to be refined elsewhere, then shipped back to Alaska to the dealers. :doh:

ummm Al... the question that was posed was... "how has she taken on her own party"

The original deal was struck by a Republican leadership prior to her being elected as government. She felt that deal was corrupt and not in the best interest to Alaskan citizens...result being the high gas prices. That is why she created the 'windfall profit' tax to return the money.

Thanks for tuning in. :doh:

[Obie Wan]

That is because the gasoline at the pump price in Alaska is one of the highest in the U.S. As late as two weeks ago the price for the cheapest regular gas was $4.40 per gallon. Most of the oil that is pumped in Alaska is shipped out of the state to be refined elsewhere, then shipped back to Alaska to the dealers.
You wouldn't care if they built a refinery in Alaska then?

[bs.gunn]

Apparently "the alaskan pipeline is god's will"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS_VduCWhzM&feature=related

This is reportedly video footage from the Pentecostal church Sarah Palin belongs to, clearly showing dozens of members of the congregation speaking in tongues and wandering zombie-like through the aisles, also occasionally thrashing on the floor in front of the pulpit. I've seen barely anyone online mention this video so far, or even Palin's connection in general to this church (including a pastor who preaches that God put George W. Bush into office), so thought I'd bring it to your attention.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1536744

Palin... you so crazy!

[Indiana95]

We made her out like Superwoman based on her actions as governor of Alaska. Apparently, she CAN do it.


I applaud her for, as she says it, telling the federal government that "we don't need a bridge to nowhere, if we want one, we'll build it", and then turn around and keep the $250M anyway. She is superwoman! Super "hypocrite" Woman! :thumbsdown:

[bs.gunn]

Yea I've been reading some of the same things. Apparently here administration is onboard to build a completely different bridge to nowhere

[TigerswillbeTigers]

I have to stop and take a minute to applaud Todd Palin for selecting Sarah to be his wife.
I mean, afterall, her HS nickname was Sarah "baracuda"! The name alone would send most normal guys running the other way!

[werperry]

I applaud her for, as she says it, telling the federal government that "we don't need a bridge to nowhere, if we want one, we'll build it", and then turn around and keep the $250M anyway. She is superwoman! Super "hypocrite" Woman! :thumbsdown:

hey crank... how again does that make her a hypocrite? I swear to God you don't comprehend a thing. I would have LOVED to been a fly on the wall with that "conversation" with your "Republican" sister. I'm certain that would have been "entertaining" ... :zzz:

look... IF that little scenario made her a hypocrite... wouldn't she have turned around and SPENT that $250M on something just as frivilous? Instead of putting Federal money into the state coffers. Did that crap you read...also include that the state of Alaska was running a surplus.

Please look up the word hypocrite before you type this drivel...

[Obie Wan]

I applaud her for, as she says it, telling the federal government that "we don't need a bridge to nowhere, if we want one, we'll build it", and then turn around and keep the $250M anyway. She is superwoman! Super "hypocrite" Woman!
You haven't been paying much attention around here, have you? There's that little matter about Massillon not spending money according to the terms of the grant.

[werperry]

Nope....their MOTHER will still be with the childen.

AND WHERE WAS BIDEN'S KIDS MOTHER ?? DEAD. JOE BIDEN WAS AN ONLY PARENT...HE NEEDED TO BE A MOTHER AND FATHER

Really a surprising double-standard.

[pnthrfan]

AND WHERE WAS BIDEN'S KIDS MOTHER ?? DEAD. JOE BIDEN WAS AN ONLY PARENT...HE NEEDED TO BE A MOTHER AND FATHER

Really a surprising double-standard.

Like I said before werperry.....He was the SOLE bread winner . What was he supposed to do? Quit his job ,lose his house, not be able to feed his children? What is it you don't get?

[werperry]

Like I said before werperry.....He was the SOLE bread winner . What was he supposed to do? Quit his job ,lose his house, not be able to feed his children? What is it you don't get?

Are you kidding me? You actually believe JOE BIDEN wouldn't have been able to find work? To make ends meet? Please.

Instead you'd have me believe that the ONLY way he could support that family was to get into the cut-throat, time-exhaustive world of politics.

Why didn't he just "take some time"...and then get back into politics once his kids were grown and the heart-wrenching sting of losing their MOTHER waned...

Funny how that DOESN'T apply to Biden... BUT it does apply to Palin.

AGAIN... nice double standard.

[werperry]

...remember 'ole JOE "roll-up-your-sleeves-i'm-from-scranton" BIDEN is just like you and me... :smile:

[pnthrfan]

Are you kidding me? You actually believe JOE BIDEN wouldn't have been able to find work? To make ends meet? Please.

Instead you'd have me believe that the ONLY way he could support that family was to get into the cut-throat, time-exhaustive world of politics.

Why didn't he just "take some time"...and then get back into politics once his kids were grown and the heart-wrenching sting of losing their MOTHER waned...

Funny how that DOESN'T apply to Biden... BUT it does apply to Palin.

AGAIN... nice double standard.

You know what werperry.....I am NOT going to sit here and explain to you why I feel the way I do. It's not my problem that you can't except someone else's opinion on a matter. I have told you over and over and over, how I feel about it....you disagree with me.....that's fine. GIVE IT A REST!

[werperry]

panthrn... that's fine. we'll agree to disagree. ...and despite what you may think, i do accept other's opinions. but...isn't this a forum to debate and counterpoint?? anyway...

sorry if i offended you with my opinion. :drinkem:

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Two panthers :drinkem: for the common good!

Life is starting to become normal again!

[Indiana95]

hey crank... how again does that make her a hypocrite? I swear to God you don't comprehend a thing. I would have LOVED to been a fly on the wall with that "conversation" with your "Republican" sister. I'm certain that would have been "entertaining" ... :zzz:

look... IF that little scenario made her a hypocrite... wouldn't she have turned around and SPENT that $250M on something just as frivilous? Instead of putting Federal money into the state coffers. Did that crap you read...also include that the state of Alaska was running a surplus.

Please look up the word hypocrite before you type this drivel...

Of course its drivel to you, cause it makes your superwoman look stupid and indirectly, you as well. Listen old man, you worry about helping your party to get back to its founding principles and I'll worry about doing my part to get this CRAPPY grand ole party out of office. Now, get back to your sorry, meaningless life. :poke:

p.s. Do you think there is something Freudian about the way McCain pronouces our nation's capital......WARshington! Let me guess, that's how you pronounce it as well. SAD!

[bs.gunn]

p.s. Do you think there is something Freudian about the way McCain pronouces our nation's capital......WARshington! Let me guess, that's how you pronounce it as well. SAD!

I thought that was mccain trying to be folksie.

[Al.]

You wouldn't care if they built a refinery in Alaska then?

I'm nor opposed, as long as it isn't near Prince William Sound, involves an intoxicated oil tanker captain or built by Exxon. :scratchchin:

[bs.gunn]

A fascinating e-mail from a Wasilla, Alaska resident who was witness to Sarah Palin's tenure as mayor.

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law.


I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular in Wasilla; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, she takes credit.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the city increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002).

She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, so borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library?

No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla, she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her enemies list to this day.


Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop.

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's Public Safety Commissioner (Walter Monegan) has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper.

Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary.

I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President. There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there are a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

CLAIMS VS. FACTS


* "Hockey mom": true for a few years

* "PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since

* "NRA supporter": absolutely true

* "Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.

* "Political maverick": not at all

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. (I have) participated in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS

I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000" up to 9,000.

The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used "about 5,000" because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

[DragonTigerNemesis]

I wonder who made all that up?

:oops2:

[SternRulz]

I wonder who made all that up?

:oops2:

Anne Kilkenny. Surely her phone has been disconnected by now.

http://www.whitepages.com/10583/search/FindPerson?extra_listing=mixed&form_mode=opt_b&post_back=1&firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=anne&name=kilkenny&street=&city_zip=&state_id=AK&localtime=survey

[werperry]

one person who doesn't like or agree with another. shocking.

[bs.gunn]

one person who doesn't like or agree with another. shocking.

A republican not interested in hearing what someone that differs in opinion has to say :shocking:

[Al.]

one person who doesn't like or agree with another. shocking.

I'm sure over the next 60 days more of the same will surface to validate what many in Alaska already know about her.

Mayor Palin: A Rough Record
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html


Sarah Palin, Book Banner?
Just in time for ALA's Banned Books Week later this month, Daily Kos just gave us a tip about the TIME magazine article on Presidential VP nominee Sarah Palin and how she tried to fire librarian Mary Ellen Baker for not banning questionable books.


Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

Over at Librarian.net, one of the commenters listed the books Palin tried to ban from the library including such literary gems as:
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Anything by Stephen King
Everything by J.K. Rowling
Most of William Shakespeare's work
and my personal favorite
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff

Maybe if she didn't want to ban Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective her daughter Bristol wouldn't be having a shotgun wedding.

[werperry]

A republican not interested in hearing what someone that differs in opinion has to say :shocking:

good one bs... :rolleyes:

[werperry]

I'm sure over the next 60 days more of the same will surface to validate what many in Alaska already know about her.

Mayor Palin: A Rough Record
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html


Sarah Palin, Book Banner?
Just in time for ALA's Banned Books Week later this month, Daily Kos just gave us a tip about the TIME magazine article on Presidential VP nominee Sarah Palin and how she tried to fire librarian Mary Ellen Baker for not banning questionable books.


Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

Over at Librarian.net, one of the commenters listed the books Palin tried to ban from the library including such literary gems as:
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Anything by Stephen King
Everything by J.K. Rowling
Most of William Shakespeare's work
and my personal favorite
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff

Maybe if she didn't want to ban Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective her daughter Bristol wouldn't be having a shotgun wedding.

http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm

[Indiana95]

So, it appears from their interview this morning, on Good Morning America, that ONLY 1 of Sarah Palin's best friends is willing to say publicly that she is voting for her. Although all of them spoke about their friendships with Sarah and their respect for her, FIVE of her closests friends revealed that there are a number of issues they do no agree with her on.

What confuses me is the fact that millions of "strangers" have jumped on the Sarah bandwagon after ONE speech and her closest friends have not after years of friendship. Very telling! :scratchchin:

[bs.gunn]

So, it appears from their interview this morning, on Good Morning America, that ONLY 1 of Sarah Palin's best friends is willing to say publicly that she is voting for her. Although all of them spoke about their friendships with Sarah and their respect for her, FIVE of her closests friends revealed that there are a number of issues they do no agree with her on.

What confuses me is the fact that millions of "strangers" have jumped on the Sarah bandwagon after ONE speech and her closest friends have not after years of friendship. Very telling! :scratchchin:

You have to give the diehard republicans credit. They'll vote for whatever toolbox wins the delegates. For party, not for country

[Indiana95]

So, I've read that Sarah believes that the invasion of Iraq was a "task from God." WOW, she's just another religious fanatic trying to make her entrance onto the U.S. political scene.

It is amazing how the "righteous Christian" tag is now a prerequisite for political office in a nation that trumpets separation of church and state. There is no separation. Religion has a deep grip on our nation, unfortunately spreading fear, intolerance and bias by the extreme fundamentalists and many Sunday worshippers alike. I want a candidate without religion as a platform and the prejudice it inevitably carries. Religion when mixed with power almost always adds up to injustice. Injustices may be more pronounced within groups such as the Taliban and Al Queda where religion has more influence, but religion propels discrimination in the U.S. as well.

We are quick to point out prejudice against women of the Middle East while we discriminate against gays in the U.S. We argue "only God can take a life" to keep cold-blooded killers alive in our prisons and to make it a crime for the terminally ill to end their own lives humanely. President Bush has linked Jesus to the Iraq War that left tens of thousands dead. Now, we have yet another so called "Christian" trying to step into power citing God with war. Give me a candidate without religion as his/her platform. Give me someone with reason over irrationality.

[Red50Go]

You dont have to be Muslim to be a fundamentalist. You do have to be pretty scary though.

[CarlE]

So, it appears from their interview this morning, on Good Morning America, that ONLY 1 of Sarah Palin's best friends is willing to say publicly that she is voting for her.

I promise you that of my friends outside of where I live I probably wouldn't vote for 99% of them for President. What's the point here?

[werperry]

So, I've read that Sarah believes that the invasion of Iraq was a "task from God." WOW, she's just another religious fanatic trying to make her entrance onto the U.S. political scene.

It is amazing how the "righteous Christian" tag is now a prerequisite for political office in a nation that trumpets separation of church and state. There is no separation. Religion has a deep grip on our nation, unfortunately spreading fear, intolerance and bias by the extreme fundamentalists and many Sunday worshippers alike. I want a candidate without religion as a platform and the prejudice it inevitably carries. Religion when mixed with power almost always adds up to injustice. Injustices may be more pronounced within groups such as the Taliban and Al Queda where religion has more influence, but religion propels discrimination in the U.S. as well.

We are quick to point out prejudice against women of the Middle East while we discriminate against gays in the U.S. We argue "only God can take a life" to keep cold-blooded killers alive in our prisons and to make it a crime for the terminally ill to end their own lives humanely. President Bush has linked Jesus to the Iraq War that left tens of thousands dead. Now, we have yet another so called "Christian" trying to step into power citing God with war. Give me a candidate without religion as his/her platform. Give me someone with reason over irrationality.


:snore: ...when did it become offensive to be Christian in this country?