should the ohsaa review last nights game?

[mike_da_man13]

last night what happened to our team should have never happened. a certain team changed their line up 3times since he ball was set in what would have been 5seconds...
btw why do we agree to play home games away from home?

[porkchop]

I agree that we got screwed, but by b####ing and crying were not going to change the outcome, if anything people are just going to bring up the incident where time stool still in Massillon back in the 80's. Just move on, and further more stop playing in the Herbie, or any team out of the state Ohio.

[Rushfan]

I agree absolutley the game should be reviewed. My friends and I discussed this after the game last night,that we are sick and tired of seeing Massillon have games taken away from them by either biased or inept officials. I wish Ohio would do like Pennsylvania does;have officials evaluated every week.

[Fats]

I understand that the scoreboard time was wrong. The 5 sec. should have been put back on. What I do not understand is how can they run people in and out of the game in just 5 seconds.

[Kamd50]

I understand that the scoreboard time was wrong. The 5 sec. should have been put back on. What I do not understand is how can they run people in and out of the game in just 5 seconds.

"“I know they didn’t have enough time to throw over the middle and kick a field goal,” Tigers head coach Jason Hall said. “That’s what we told our kids. They throw over the middle, no matter what the situation, one second or five seconds, they’re not going to get out there and kick the field goal.
“It’s an unfortunate situation. It would have been nice to see this game in overtime.”
Massillon fans were also stunned how Blaisdell’s first field goal was set up.
A hit by a Jordan defender jarred the ball out of the hands of Tigers receiver Trae Gaines as he tried to catch a pass. Gaines never appeared to have possession, but the officials ruled fumble. The Beatdiggers took over at the Massillon 20.
“Life’s not fair,” Hall said. “Sometimes the ball bounces your way. Sometimes it doesn’t.”

[Tigers53]

One reason they were able to get everyone in and lined up was because of all the discussion that was going on regarding the time keeping. The longer we argued, the more time they had to get personnel into the game, line up and be prepared to snap the ball when the whistle blew.

Time keeping aside, we could not make a play when we needed to most. They did!

[The Voice]

YES! From what we saw from the press box; This game and the officials should be reviewed.Sadly; it won't happen. It should not be the responsibility of Coach Hall or the Massillon Tigers, The commnity should step up and file a collective greivence..You see, it shouldn't be done just for Massillon, It should be done for Jordan too.

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[Striker300]

From what I could hear on the broadcast, Massillon should have the right for a review. But blaming it on playing in the Herbie or playing an out-of-state team is just rediculous. Maybe for playing at Fawcett, now that might be a good point. Fight to get this event back to PBTS! When it was held in Massillon, no problems, except getting paid for it. But the financial woes of the Herbie are supposedly in the past. It drew a lot more ppl when it was in Massillon than probably the last 2 yrs. combined at Fawcett! Bad calls can happen anywhere, but that debacle last night was just plain rediculous. But of course this is the kind of thing we face every time we play at Fawcett. Kantwin sticks the foot out to trip us again! But, all I can say is, payback will be hell!

[Fats]

From what I could hear on the broadcast, Massillon should have the right for a review. But blaming it on playing in the Herbie or playing an out-of-state team is just rediculous. Maybe for playing at Fawcett, now that might be a good point. Fight to get this event back to PBTS! When it was held in Massillon, no problems, except getting paid for it. But the financial woes of the Herbie are supposedly in the past. It drew a lot more ppl when it was in Massillon than probably the last 2 yrs. combined at Fawcett! Bad calls can happen anywhere, but that debacle last night was just plain rediculous. But of course this is the kind of thing we face every time we play at Fawcett. Kantwin sticks the foot out to trip us again! But, all I can say is, payback will be hell!
I really think that we should not play in the Herbie unless we are at Paul Brown Tiger Stadium. I really think we are the draw for this game in NE Ohio. I was at the McKinley game, walked in about 5-10 minutes before kick-off and was able to get a seat close to the 50yd line (on HOmeside).(We could have chosen from many seats that were open). The Massillon game was different, we sat on the 20yd line.
With the fan base we have we should dictate to the Herbie where we will play.

[TigerVic]

Yes it should be reviewed and Massillon is owed (at least) a sincere apology and (at most) offered to call it a tie game.

The OHSAA doesn't care, so let's take it to the UHSAA.

[Banks]

The games were to be played at Massillon this year, and was more or less agreed with a hand shake that was however with Tom Stacy , and when he left so did the agreement .

I will be at Massillon next year.

[giajay54]

Are you people serious? You guys complain about anything and everything. The Herbie is a great event at home or away. This is a chance for Massillon to showcase not only their football team but their community. On the field Massillon has represented Ohio very well. As a community and as fans I think Massillon has done great too, but I don't know about booing other teams. But as long as Massillon keeps bringing the fan base that they do the ticket sales will always be there; therefore Massillon will always be in this classic, unless Massillon themselves pulls out. The invite will always be there so we should just get used to playing in this. As for this game, lets not ruin a good thing. Lets not make so Herbie doesn't want to invite us. This classic is turning into the prime time high school football event in the nation. I feel it is great and love seeing a different power house every year. Stop complaining and don't file a grievence as a community for goodness sakes. Are you serious, this is a football game. Lastly get over yourselves, at least the people that think everyone is out to screw to Massillon.

[Banks]

Are you people serious? You guys complain about anything and everything. The Herbie is a great event at home or away. This is a chance for Massillon to showcase not only their football team but their community. On the field Massillon has represented Ohio very well. As a community and as fans I think Massillon has done great too, but I don't know about booing other teams. But as long as Massillon keeps bringing the fan base that they do the ticket sales will always be there; therefore Massillon will always be in this classic, unless Massillon themselves pulls out. The invite will always be there so we should just get used to playing in this. .


It is cool idea but keep in mind Massillon only gets $2 of the ticket sales home or away .
Gee how much do you think we get at a regular home game?

[Obie Wan]

Yes it should be reviewed and Massillon is owed (at least) a sincere apology and (at most) offered to call it a tie game.

The OHSAA doesn't care, so let's take it to the UHSAA.
A ridiculous suggestion, and that should never be considered as a a realistic course of action. An appeal of this nature would be one of the most embarrassing moments in the history of our program, and an inexcusable betrayal of the attitude and character that have served us so well for so many years.

How do you expect our kids to handle adversity when the adults around them cry like little children when things don't go their way? Hold your head up, get back to work, and move on.

[Striker300]

I stated that we should have the right to a review, not that we should pursue it. Again, bring it back to PBTS! We draw more ppl.! And I seriously doubt that they would not invite us back, seeing how more of our fans go to this than anyone else's. Our fan base does give us leverage to bargain. Don't even think the organizers don't realize this! If we feel we were screwed by playing in Canton, then we should put an end to playing in this event if it is held there. We should force the Herbie's hand and bring it back to PBTS! Otherwise deal with the fact that anytime we play over there the game will likely be biased. And as for the season, I don't believe this will have any kind of adverse effect on our Tigers. They played hard and were in the game the whole way, our kids did the Massillon tradition proud. They are getting better and will continue to do so. This is only incentive to destroy McK when we meet them! And it was a great game, and Jordan played their hearts out also, congrats to them. Not their fault the way the last 2 min. were handled. I believe that Massillon will build on this adversity.

[SternRulz]

Coach Hall has it right as Kamd posted above.

“Life’s not fair,” Hall said. “Sometimes the ball bounces your way. Sometimes it doesn’t.”

Suck it up and quit whining. We've been on the positive end of plenty of bad calls over the years.

[SternRulz]

...Otherwise deal with the fact that anytime we play over there the game will likely be biased.

Much unlike the advantage of us playing in our own stadium. So the answer is we play at home or we don't play at all??

:doh:

[hitman]

Move On!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Striker300]

Also, it was the WHBC (Canton station) announcers that said we got shafted! Before any of us posted anything on here about it! So keep in mind that Massillon ppl. are not the only ones who felt that we got a raw deal. Even the guy from Utah in the chat room said that it didn't sound like things were handled well. Get your story correct before you accuse Massillon of whining. We will swallow this pill, but there will be repercussions to be dealt with by all we face this year!

[Fats]

Much unlike the advantage of us playing in our own stadium. So the answer is we play at home or we don't play at all??

:doh:After some thought, and looking at some threads around the internet. Jordan could have spiked the ball and had time to bring FG team in and won. So, l agree lets forget this game and move on. BUT, I do think that we are the draw of the Herbie. So, I think we should strongly suggest that are game is played at P.B. Tiger Stadium. So, the answer is YES we play at home or we don't play.

[Striker300]

Stern, you missed the point. Yes, I believe we should pressure for it to be held in Massillon! Why, because we have the leverage too. Yes things are unfair in life everyday, and we must deal with it. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't take precautions to make sure it doesn't happen again! Some would say our leverage is unfair, deal with that!

[SternRulz]

Stern, you missed the point. Yes, I believe we should pressure for it to be held in Massillon! Why, because we have the leverage too. Yes things are unfair in life everyday, and we must deal with it. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't take precautions to make sure it doesn't happen again! Some would say our leverage is unfair, deal with that!


I didn't miss the point at all. If Mckinley said they won't play unless it's at Fawcett, you'd all be jumping all over them. It just sounds like sour grapes.

[Striker300]

If McK said that, I don't think anyone would care, how many fans did they bring? No, our fan base dictates that we have leverage, McK's does not! Again look at how few ppl. were there most of the day, an embarrassment for all of Stark Co.! This would not be the case if held in Massillon. You can argue this until you turn blue, but the numbers don't lie. And sour grapes are quite normal, considering that these grapes were soured in Canton!

[mike_da_man13]

idk about you guys but for the first time in 2yrs(08-07) they came out and played fired up as a team. If we can keep it close with that team we can keep it close with anyone...

[SternRulz]

If McK said that, I don't think anyone would care, how many fans did they bring? No, our fan base dictates that we have leverage, McK's does not! Again look at how few ppl. were there most of the day, an embarrassment for all of Stark Co.! This would not be the case if held in Massillon. You can argue this until you turn blue, but the numbers don't lie. And sour grapes are quite normal, considering that these grapes were soured in Canton!

Your argument was that it should be at PBTS because we got screwed in Canton and its biased. Sour grapes.

If we feel we were screwed by playing in Canton, then we should put an end to playing in this event if it is held there. We should force the Herbie's hand and bring it back to PBTS! Otherwise deal with the fact that anytime we play over there the game will likely be biased.

[Striker300]

Not my point in bringing it back to Massillon! If you really read all of my post you would see that the real reason I want it back in Massillon is Stark Co. pride! The empty stands during the Mooney game made my mind up at 5:00 p.m. yesterday! Get your story straight before you accuse me! And yes, I feel we got shafted, and yes I believe we must deal with it. Not sour grapes, just normal things that happen to us in Canton! I live in FL and was watching the Mooney game on Cleveland.com, and was embarrassed enough for all of us by the empty stands!

[Striker300]

I do agree to put it in the past and move on is the right thing to do. But I also believe moving on includes taking steps to prevent playing this event in Canton again!

[TUSLAW JEMMEY]

There Are Bad High School Refs Everywear!

[Striker300]

I agree, and if you look at my first post on this subject, you will see that I said " Bad calls can happen anywhere".

[scottyotc]

Yes we should ...

Game shoulda been decided in OT...

which we likely would have lost their kicker was better............

but................quit crying........00 Jordan 27 Mass 24...

OTC out

[TigerVic]

A ridiculous suggestion, and that should never be considered as a a realistic course of action. An appeal of this nature would be one of the most embarrassing moments in the history of our program, and an inexcusable betrayal of the attitude and character that have served us so well for so many years.

How do you expect our kids to handle adversity when the adults around them cry like little children when things don't go their way? Hold your head up, get back to work, and move on.

Agreed- WE should not ask for a review, but I think this should be something the OHSAA (or the Herbie people or whoever) should have the gumption to investigate the happenings themselves in terms of who they hire in the future.

I still say that whoever was in charge should at least offer us an apology (I believe the NCAA did this last year after a poor call cost someone (Oregon?) a game. Maybe it was the Big Ten? Anyway, it is not unheard of- remember the famous "fifth down" game of 1940: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Down_Game_(1940) ).

[sniffer07]

Lets all quit whining and move on. Games are won with defense and special teams. I didn't see where we had a defensive game plan. Or was it to give the quarterback 5 minutes to throw the ball and not cover the receivers. The boys played well but the defensive game plan sucked.

[Texas]

Go ahead and appeal it if you want to but one of the biggest black eyes on the program that it has ever saw. I think a better course of action would be or the coach and the kids to hit the practice field Monday on a mission. How they come back from this next week will define the season. Did they get screwed? He-- Yes! It is time to put it to bed and start taking it one week at a time and make it to week 11.

[CarlE]

A ridiculous suggestion, and that should never be considered as a a realistic course of action. An appeal of this nature would be one of the most embarrassing moments in the history of our program, and an inexcusable betrayal of the attitude and character that have served us so well for so many years.

How do you expect our kids to handle adversity when the adults around them cry like little children when things don't go their way? Hold your head up, get back to work, and move on.

THIS is the post of the week.

Oh, and Warren1st, PLEASE don't bring up the clock game against Warren in 1957. Please?

[march]

Fats has a point.The clock should have stopped at 5 seconds when the Jordan player was downed,giving jordan enough time to line up real quick and spike the ball?

[Purple Hayes]

It should not be the responsibility of Coach Hall or the Massillon Tigers, The commnity should step up and file a collective greivence..You see, it shouldn't be done just for Massillon, It should be done for Jordan too.

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Are you kidding me?????

[TigerMom0256]

YES the refs blew the game, but both teams played a good game. I just can't believe that some of the fans sat there and booed the Utah team as they left the field, that isn't cool at all. Those boys didn't blow the game for us the refs did. Yes those boys were excited to win (so would our team if we came that far) coming all the way from Utah, and beating a very well known team in high school football. The Herb Street Classic is a good thing for our team to be in, if we always say we are the best football team then why not play teams from other states and prove it. Because they are not gonna send their states worst teams right? They send their best in their state too! So move on to next weeks game and the rest of the year and prove we are the best team out there instead of whinning about one game. There has been alot of games that we won the game that way too!

[obie0130]

agian, our fans booed in response to being taunted by Jordans players.

[Big W 36]

I'M not sure about getting screwed, but I'm sure about not getting any "LOVE". " GREAT GAME TEAM". You Played Tiger Football the way I like to see it played "LAY THE LUMBER". We"ll just have to suck it up and move on..
After all 9&1 should get us to the playoffs.

"GO TIGERS, ONCE, NOW, and ALWAYS" :rockin:

[Out-N-Up]

sniffer07, that was a pretty fair sized offensive line they went up against there don't ya think, give them a little credit. Reminded me of Moeller back in there day, they were like clones.

[CarlE]

agian, our fans booed in response to being taunted by Jordans players.

Again, I don't care. It's bush league.

[obie0130]

again, not saying it's right or wrong, just stating facts.

[OldSchoolObie]

I listened to the game because I was unable to attend. According to the announcers there was still about 5 seconds left when the play was marked "First Down". To my understanding when a first down takes place the clock stops for the chains to be set. Jordan could have ran to the line an spiked the ball to stop the clock. They would of still been able to kick the field goal, reguardless of the referees confusion. It was a great game non the less, so I have no idea why everyone is hanging their heads and blaming everything solely on the refs. We didn't make plays that we needed to, plain and simple. Jordan did. Now, lets take this adversity and use it as motivation for the rest of the year. This isn't the first time Massillon has lost to a powerhouse.

GO TIGERS! BEAT NORMANDY!

[tiger embalmer]

I feel that we should now look past the Utah game. It is done and over with. We as a team and a town need to put all of are focus on the Normandy game. This is a tough team and they will not take it easy on us because the last week game. There is nothing we can do about it, so lets move on


Go Tigers Beat Normandy

[CarlE]

Great post, Embalmer. Great post.

[march]

For what its worth
Poland 31
Normandy 3

Computer points alert!

[pyromaniac]

For what its worth
Poland 31
Normandy 3

Computer points alert!

We need to win our games and the rest will take care of itself. There is no need to be sweating losses here and there. We should be fine even if we were to go 7-3.

[TigerBob75]

[QUOTE=TigerMom0256;118425]YES the refs blew the game, but both teams played a good game. I just can't believe that some of the fans sat there and booed the Utah team as they left the field, that isn't cool at all.
After watching the last minutes of the game on the tube over, I don't believe that the fans were booing Jordan as much as they were booing the refs. The booing just carried over from the what the refs did. I believe that the booing caused the Jordan team to celebrate over the top, which in turn caused more booing. If there wasn,t controversy at the end of that game and if the ending was the same, there wouldn,t have been any booing and the Tiger fans would even have given the Jordan team an ovation for a good game. We do it for the other teams at PBTS. Tigers, just take your frustrations out on Normandy. Beat Parma.

[CarlE]

[QUOTE=TigerMom0256;118425]We do it for the other teams at PBTS. Tigers, just take your frustrations out on Normandy. Beat Parma.

We do it when we win. I don't EVER remember us giving a team an ovation when they beat us.

[TigerBob75]

[QUOTE=TigerBob75;118558]

We do it when we win. I don't EVER remember us giving a team an ovation when they beat us.

Ok, maybe not an ovation. But we show our respect for a game well played. I know, I've been there when we did. Even if it was a loss.

[allman's aunt]

I was there, saw it all and boo'ed my head off, but I was booing at the refs and no one else....AND now I'm over it. These Tigers of ours are special and they know their town is behind them. So let's put all our energy towards this week's game and cheer so loud that these boys feel the love they deserve. :love: I feel an energy this year that I haven't felt in a while...it's a girl thing maybe, but I feel it none the less. :dance:

[CarlE]

Does anybody remember positive comments like these after a loss last year? I sure as heck don't. Refreshing to say the least. More than likely a sign of better things to come. People recognize when things are heading in the right direction.

[Banks]

[QUOTE=CarlE;118560]

Ok, maybe not an ovation. But we show our respect for a game well played. I know, I've been there when we did. Even if it was a loss.


I remember last years Mentor game , nice ovation from both sides after a every entertaining game.

[mike_da_man13]

[QUOTE=TigerBob75;118563]


I remember last years Mentor game , nice ovation from both sides after a every entertaining game.

but that mentor team was expected to put up 56 and we were expected to be lucky to score if i remember right we were huge underdogs

[Banks]

[QUOTE=Banks;118585]

but that mentor team was expected to put up 56 and we were expected to be lucky to score if i remember right we were huge underdogs


I would never call Massillon at a home game a huge underdog.
Besides pre season many thought Massillon would be in the finals

[SternRulz]

[QUOTE=TigerBob75;118558]

We do it when we win. I don't EVER remember us giving a team an ovation when they beat us.

Mentor, last year. Good game.

[Red50Go]

[QUOTE=CarlE;118560]

Mentor, last year. Good game.

And St. X in the title game to name another.

[Tiger77]

I feel there is always an opportunity to get cheated at Fawcett. The fans hate us so much they stuck around to taunt us after the loss Saturday- even after they got pummeled, but it was probably just an inept time keeper as the clock didn't work correctly the entire game. Never knew what the down and yardage were either. Shouldn't they have only people who know what they're doing in this job since it can impact the outcome of the game? Especially at a big event like this that includes 4 games in one day and is nationally televised? You'd think the Fawcett personnel would be embarrassed by this and the Herbstreit will probably look into it. It's tough to take but we need to get past it and back the kids as they prepare to POUND PARMA. We can exact some revenge there.

[ChronicTiger]

Parma Normandy is going to get smoked. The turning point of this season will be on 9-12-08.....

:cylon:

[OldSchoolObie]

[QUOTE=Banks;118585]

but that mentor team was expected to put up 56 and we were expected to be lucky to score if i remember right we were huge underdogs

You are out of your mind.

[Banks]

Why are the quotes showing the wrong person ?

[obiefan]

Not sure, but with that. I am closing this thread, as it no longer serves a purpose.

THANKS!



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