What was the deal with last night ref's??

[tiger4life2304]

Did anybody else notice that even though I myself seen about 8 or 9 holds by ignatius, that not a single flag was thrown all night, with the exception of the delay of game and the procedure call on the kickoff. If u ask me this is pretty d@mn ridiculous. We get homered at home...how does that happen?? They say that theres a hold on almost every play, its just a matter of whether the ref sees it or not, so if thats true then the ray charles, helen keller, and stevie wonder were wearing black n white stripes last night!!!!

[Die Hard Eric]

enough with the REFS!! Can we ever lose a game because we got beat by a better team or does it always have to be someone elses fault?

Maybe they should have thrown a flag on Matt Merletti for being to good!!

Give it a rest already!!!

BEAT BUCHTEL!!!

-dhe

[TigerswillbeTigers]

Unbelievable :obiefanfire:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaa :cry:

[tiger4life2304]

Merletti was good, I'll give credit where credit is due.....but their line was opening up holes that even die hard eric himself could run through. And when half the line is holding the bottom of our shoulder pads or in quite a few cases, just holding the jersey, it makes it kinda hard to tackle someone. Merletti was darn good but he's got nowhere near the athletic ability of brian gamble. All I'm saying is that I've never in my life witnessed a high school football game where not a single hold, clip, facemask, or pass interference was called.

[chumly]

I've seen holding on both sides of the ball not get called in every game I ever watched. And that would include the Massillon Tigers.

[Die Hard Eric]

Merletti was good, I'll give credit where credit is due.....but their line was opening up holes that even die hard eric himself could run through. And when half the line is holding the bottom of our shoulder pads or in quite a few cases, just holding the jersey, it makes it kinda hard to tackle someone. Merletti was darn good but he's got nowhere near the athletic ability of brian gamble. All I'm saying is that I've never in my life witnessed a high school football game where not a single hold, clip, facemask, or pass interference was called.

if you have ever seen me before you know that i am small enough to run through a mouse hole, so that statement doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

I understand that it is odd that there were no penalties last night, but as i see it the game was called fairly.

-dhe

[tiger4life2304]

I've seen holding on both sides of the ball not get called in every game I ever watched. And that would include the Massillon Tigers.
Thank you captain obvious!! But how many times can you remember there never being one called in 4 full quarters of football?> you couldnt even watch an NFL game without seeing a holding penalty and they are more experienced linemen, were talkin about a high school football game with 15-18 year old kids, and not a single tiger or wildcat got called for a holding penalty!! thats a bit obserd if u ask me.

[Die Hard Eric]

so if we would have been flagged for holding 5 times last night and IGGY 1 time that would have been a well called game in your standards and we would not be having this coversation???

NOW YOU KNOW THAT ISN'T TRUE!!!

it was a well called game period

-dhe

[Fats]

I saw holding on both sides, neither called. I think it was a good called game. I do question some NOT CALLED Interference on Iggy. BUT, THE FACTS our the FACTs IGGY beat the TIGERS

[CarlE]

Did anybody else notice that even though I myself seen about 8 or 9 holds by ignatius, that not a single flag was thrown all night, with the exception of the delay of game and the procedure call on the kickoff. If u ask me this is pretty d@mn ridiculous. We get homered at home...how does that happen?? They say that theres a hold on almost every play, its just a matter of whether the ref sees it or not, so if thats true then the ray charles, helen keller, and stevie wonder were wearing black n white stripes last night!!!!

So, you yourself SEEN eight or nine holds huh? I'm curious. Exactly where were you that you SEEN all these holds. Were you on the field? Were you on the sidelines? We you somewhere in the freaking nosebleeds where you couldn't even see the refs much less non-holding calls? I swear, this may be the most ridiculous post in the history of MP.Com and THAT is saying something. Go away.

[tiger4life2304]

I wasn't aware that there were nosebleeds in paul brown stadium. hmmm thats odd. i was only sitting 14 rows up and after the first 2 quarters of no calls i started looking harder n seen quite a few holds. ohh and thanks carlE but last time i checked this was a public forum and im just voicing my opinion so if u dont agree with it then dont pay attention to it man!! GO TIGERS BEAT BUCHTEL!!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

CarlE,

Give St. Ignatius credit. I haven't seen a back like Merletti, since Dan Murphy carved up Canton McKinley for 320 yards rushing in 1999 (he dang near had 400+ all purpose yards).

Massillon just has to know what went wrong and why it went wrong. They must learn from this bitter taste of defeat...and be better against Akron Buchtel.

[Tigerstriper]

Amazing not one flag thrown against either team and yet people complain, go figure.

[obie7661]

Did anybody else notice that even though I myself seen about 8 or 9 holds by ignatius, that not a single flag was thrown all night, with the exception of the delay of game and the procedure call on the kickoff. If u ask me this is pretty d@mn ridiculous. We get homered at home...how does that happen?? They say that theres a hold on almost every play, its just a matter of whether the ref sees it or not, so if thats true then the ray charles, helen keller, and stevie wonder were wearing black n white stripes last night!!!!

Believe me, the coaching staff would have been talking to the refs way before the 8th or 9th obvious holding call.

I'd say it would have been the 2nd.

[CarlE]

I wasn't aware that there were nosebleeds in paul brown stadium. hmmm thats odd. i was only sitting 14 rows up and after the first 2 quarters of no calls i started looking harder n seen quite a few holds. ohh and thanks carlE but last time i checked this was a public forum and im just voicing my opinion so if u dont agree with it then dont read it man!! GO TIGERS BEAT BUCHTEL!!

It was a metaphor, Einstein. Now, go look up what that means and get back to me. So you looked harder "n seen" quite a few holds did you? And from 14 freaking rows up. Gosh, with eyesight like that perhaps YOU should be referring the games. Then I can seen all the holding calls you make.

[londontown]

Refs are not the excuse here,the coaches and players seem to be in a relaxed ,lets not show emotion good or bad . Making defensive and offensive adjustments were at miniimum. Its time to make personel moves both ways on certain players. #51 should be on both sides of the ball ,its time to do what it takes to win . The players on the sidelines need to talk it up instead of looking to friends in the stands with smiles . :obiefanfire:

[tiger4life2304]

Refs are not the excuse here,the coaches and players seem to be in a relaxed ,lets not show emotion good or bad . Making defensive and offensive adjustments were at miniimum. Its time to make personel moves both ways on certain players. #51 should be on both sides of the ball ,its time to do what it takes to win . The players on the sidelines need to talk it up instead of looking to friends in the stands with smiles . :obiefanfire:
Good point, i noticed alot of that last night on the sidelines. players showing little or no emotion. And one player in particular kept looking up to his dad after every possession. Also, Corey Shane should indeed be playin on both sides of the ball. We need more athletic and agile guys at line since obviously the hog-wallies up front aren't getting the job done. Time to make some adjustments on both sides of the ball. And for the record, give props to J.T Turner for playing a hell of a game last night, that young man has a bright future for the tigers!!

[MUCSteelers5xSuperChamp]

Justin Turner is a bright young man with a bright future ahead of him. He already has 25 touchdowns in his budding Massillon career.

And it's only going to get better for the 6'2'', 178 lb. back.

Props to those people yelling out "TOUCHDOWN" everytime he breaks a long run. I still have to get my dad out to see him before the end of the season.

[londontown]

Turner could be the bluechipper for us,him and Gamble in the backfield a nice mixture.He is the young player that is stepping it up for more time.

[Benchboss1]

Did anybody else notice that even though I myself seen about 8 or 9 holds by ignatius, that not a single flag was thrown all night, with the exception of the delay of game and the procedure call on the kickoff. If u ask me this is pretty d@mn ridiculous. We get homered at home...how does that happen?? They say that theres a hold on almost every play, its just a matter of whether the ref sees it or not, so if thats true then the ray charles, helen keller, and stevie wonder were wearing black n white stripes last night!!!!




This would be another example of a post that puts Massillon fans in a bad light in the eyes of outsiders!

So, Tiger4life, are you saying that our kids played a penalty free game? Or is it that only the Ignatius kids were the ones holding? Please enlighten us.:wall:

[RAPTOR]

The refs were letting them play the game! They didnt favor one team over the other. Leave them alone, they did an outstanding job last night
end of story!

[GrowlingTiger87]

so if we would have been flagged for holding 5 times last night and IGGY 1 time that would have been a well called game in your standards and we would not be having this coversation???

NOW YOU KNOW THAT ISN'T TRUE!!!

it was a well called game period

-dhe

The only thing I questioned a few times were some of the spots, but that didn't cost us the game. We squandered too many opportunities.

[Kamd50]

I heard a lot of guys questioning some of the spots as well. No, it didn't cost us the game, but along with the holding (and there was, did anyone see when Colly's helmet came off, he was fuming for that very reason) and there definately were some interference non-calls that should have been made, then add the terrible defense and turnovers and questionable play calling in the red zone = another big loss that shouldn't have been.

[Benchboss1]

There were a couple of guys sitting behind us last night that kept complaining of some of the spots, and aside from them being overly obnoxious, they were wrong.

I guess we were expected to believe that they could see where the spot should have been from row GG better than the refs could from the field?:wtf:
Alot of fans seem to forget, conveniently when it come to Massillon opponents, about a thing called forward progress. You don't get spotted where you get tackled, you get spotted on where your forward progress was. Alot of fans need to learn the game better before they open their mouths in the stands and make themselves look stupid.:wall:

[Kamd50]

If you are referring to me, where I sit we are surrounded by a number of past and present men that have years of coaching experience, so they do know what they are talking about. And we sure weren't up in gg. Just for the record. I doubt if you are a bigger expert than they.

[DAWGH8R]

I thought the refs did a good job!! Usually, when you don't notice the refs, it means they called a good game.They were definately a NON factor !:afro:

[ladytiger091]

Not to change the subject , but did anyone notice the hole that was burnt in our turf at about the 25 yard line due to a ash that fell on the feild from fireworks? It smoldered for minutes creating a pretty good size hole before a ref even seen it . Then they just came over like.......Oh a fire just step on it :offtopic:

[GrowlingTiger87]

ladytiger, I saw that too.

[Al.]

I thought the refs did a good job!! Usually, when you don't notice the refs, it means they called a good game.They were definately a NON factor !:afro:

Dawg: Your post has been the best one of this thread. :thumbsup:

[Benchboss1]

If you are referring to me, where I sit we are surrounded by a number of past and present men that have years of coaching experience, so they do know what they are talking about. And we sure weren't up in gg. Just for the record. I doubt if you are a bigger expert than they.



Hang on there a second kamd50. First of all, if you do not sit in row gg, why would you even think that I was referring to you? Secondly, I never said that I was an expert. Where did that come from? I think you need to pull the fangs back in and step back.

[Kamd50]

Maybe, but my point is just because others, and there are a lot of them, have opinions that differ with the ones of frequent posters, doesn't mean that they are any more or less right just because someone on MP says so.

I will say one thing , and it is off topic, but some of our players have said that the Iggy players had a lot of class last night. That they did not taunt or trashtalk to them like some other teams have done to Massillon when they walk through the line at the end of the game. They even commented to them about what a good game they played and nice hits they made, etc. Also, there was more than one Massillon player with tears last night highly upset about the outcome of their game.

[DAWGH8R]

If you are referring to me, where I sit we are surrounded by a number of past and present men that have years of coaching experience, so they do know what they are talking about. And we sure weren't up in gg. Just for the record. I doubt if you are a bigger expert than they.

Kamd,

Are you out of coffee today ?? WOW! http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/images/smilies/mj16.gif
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/images/smilies/argue.gif

[Kamd50]

LOL, I took care of that in a pm. But look, sorry, I can't help it. Some of these boys are near and dear to my heart and I knew I shouldn't have even got on here today.

[DAWGH8R]

I hear ya ! A few of the players stop by the house a couple of times a week. It's just as frustrating for them !!:sour:

[Tiger_proud521]

Did anybody else notice that even though I myself seen about 8 or 9 holds by ignatius, that not a single flag was thrown all night, with the exception of the delay of game and the procedure call on the kickoff. If u ask me this is pretty d@mn ridiculous. We get homered at home...how does that happen?? They say that theres a hold on almost every play, its just a matter of whether the ref sees it or not, so if thats true then the ray charles, helen keller, and stevie wonder were wearing black n white stripes last night!!!!

I think last night is the first night I didn't notice the refs at all. In fact I can only recall one flag for a sideline warning against Massillon.

Besides playing that card just plays into the Massillon fan stereotype and gives fuel to the hacks who write the sport colums and who always seem to find a way to slam us even in an almost subliminal way - Mr Porter.

[actoral]

Tier4life, I, unfortunately, could not make over to Ohio for the game and was working, therefore could not listen to it either, but any game with a low number of penalties demonstrates well coached and well diciplined teams. GO TIGERS Beat Buchtel!!!

[Dr Strangemind]

We already know they are not going to throw flags on Iggy, so I found the lack of flags against the Tigers extemely refreshing!

[longtimefirsttime]

I thought the officiating was solid. They were a non-factor and that's how it should be. Wouldn't you rather have a crew that lets them play than one that throws flags all night long?

[DAWGH8R]

Amen to that LTFT. They were better than the crew that did the Marion Harding game !!!!:jestera:

[longtimefirsttime]

Amen to that LTFT. They were better than the crew that did the Marion Harding game !!!!:jestera:

I've seen my share of poorly officiated games but that is the only high school game I've watched where I truly believed "the fix was in." I know Smitty will disagree on that.

[GrowlingTiger87]

Again, I agree with the majority of you in that the ref's were a non factor in this one. Aside from a few poor spots, the officials played little or no part in what happened on the field.

Now, on to Buchtel!

[giant lugey]

Maybe there were no flags because both teams are well coached and disciplined.

[Tiger2009]

Did anybody else notice that even though I myself seen about 8 or 9 holds by ignatius, that not a single flag was thrown all night, with the exception of the delay of game and the procedure call on the kickoff. If u ask me this is pretty d@mn ridiculous. We get homered at home...how does that happen?? They say that theres a hold on almost every play, its just a matter of whether the ref sees it or not, so if thats true then the ray charles, helen keller, and stevie wonder were wearing black n white stripes last night!!!!



they never call holding..... if its on the line they nexer do.... only if your going to make a tackle

[MTFootBall59]

well that game was pretty much called the way it was called but there was some times where me and emrey both og holded that even my grandma could see i mean emery almost got a perosnal foul cause he was yelling at one of the refs on the felid but hey sometimes refs cant see everything i mean they just plane out beat us really all they hade was a few big plays thats it if u look at the stats we hade more yards more time of possion and more first down completetions but satistics are for loosers we where in the red zone about 3-4 times and dident score o well we are not finished yet so u guys dont give up on us cause we havent givin up on our selves!!!

[ChronicTiger]

well that game was pretty much called the way it was called but there was some times where me and emrey both og holded that even my grandma could see i mean emery almost got a perosnal foul cause he was yelling at one of the refs on the felid but hey sometimes refs cant see everything i mean they just plane out beat us really all they hade was a few big plays thats it if u look at the stats we hade more yards more time of possion and more first down completetions but satistics are for loosers we where in the red zone about 3-4 times and dident score o well we are not finished yet so u guys dont give up on us cause we havent givin up on our selves!!!

You must be talking about the 5th grade team? Good luck when you get to JR. High! Go Tigers.......................

[TigerCoach]

I thought the refs did a good job!! Usually, when you don't notice the refs, it means they called a good game.They were definately a NON factor !:afro:


I agree, Dawgh8r, the refs did a very good job. I'd rather have a game like this, where the refs let 'em play, than the Don Walker's of the world who call a holding penalty every other play (and get excited to do it).

By the way, did anyone notice that one of the officials was a WHS grad?

[Red50Go]

If they weren't calling holding penalties then we should have held more! As has been the case lately, our passing plays are like a jail break.

[MTiger]

By the way, did anyone notice that one of the officials was a WHS grad?

Yep.

[mtownwr22]

By the way, did anyone notice that one of the officials was a WHS grad?

i did... i know him personally.. hes a nice guy. mike kozma. they rarely let him do Massillon games. he really enjoys it when he gets the chance.. i no this is kinda off topic lol

[MTiger]

There was another Massillon guy on the crew too...not sure if he's a Massillon grad, but he's definitely a fan.