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massillonmaroon
09-30-2006, 08:35 AM
I have to say - I just hate that Iggy student section. All those chants bashing the Tigers. It's just the worst. I was hoping that would help get the boys going to come back and win this one. It really wasn't that good of an Ignatius team except for 22.

It seems like we have reduced the playbook the last three games and the rest of the team isn't playing with the same effort as Gamble. I mean last night may have cost them a shot in the playoffs and I just didn't see others playing as hard as BG.

The team is better than that if they could just block better and close the gaps and tackle on defense.

Let's win the last four and see what happens.

chumly
09-30-2006, 09:16 AM
We know what we're going to get when we play the all-boys schools, with all their obnoxious, cocky behavior (like the St. X boys singing off-key while our Alma Mater was being played last year). We then shut them up with the most unbelieveable TIG-ERS cheer I've ever heard or seen.

We will shut them up and when we beat them on the football field... They see our sour grapes and laugh at us. The bottom line is that they out performed us on the football field and kicked our butts.

Die Hard Eric
09-30-2006, 10:22 AM
I have to say - I just hate that Iggy student section. All those chants bashing the Tigers. It's just the worst. I was hoping that would help get the boys going to come back and win this one. It really wasn't that good of an Ignatius team except for 22.


I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the IGGY student section. what did they do that was so bad? Did they hurt your feelings when your team was down? did they get under your skin a little bit? THAT IS PART OF THE GAME!! THE FANS!!!

Hopefully our student section was taking notes during the game for future use. If i was Ignatius i would be proud to say i have a student section that is so dedicated. I can tell you as a long time tiger it is embarrassing to see our student section running around grab assing in the stands rather than getting into the game.

We got beat by IGGY on the field and subsuquently in the stands as well.

-dhe

TigerswillbeTigers
09-30-2006, 10:25 AM
I was at the Iggy game last year and heard more than a little chanting by our students and adults! :ohplease:

CarlE
09-30-2006, 10:52 AM
I was at the Iggy game last year and heard more than a little chanting by our students and adults! :ohplease:

Short-term memories, bruddah. We have some VERY classless fans. I've witnessed it myself.

daringone
09-30-2006, 11:44 AM
I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the IGGY student section. what did they do that was so bad? Did they hurt your feelings when your team was down? did they get under your skin a little bit? THAT IS PART OF THE GAME!! THE FANS!!!

Hopefully our student section was taking notes during the game for future use. If i was Ignatius i would be proud to say i have a student section that is so dedicated. I can tell you as a long time tiger it is embarrassing to see our student section running around grab assing in the stands rather than getting into the game.

We got beat by IGGY on the field and subsuquently in the stands as well.

-dhe

As I wrote after the Hamilton game, I don't EVER want to hear our students/fans insulting the other team. That's lack of class and respect. Cheer your team all you want, but you're just being a jerk with chants like "Overrated", "Why so quiet", "This is our house" (at an away game). Maybe it's today's society that forgot what sportsmanship is, but I for one would never condone crap like that.

Die Hard Eric
09-30-2006, 11:59 AM
That is not insulting!

We were quiet, because we were losing.
We are not rated, so why should that hurt

those are not insults those are truths.

i never heard this is our house so i can't comment on that.

what i saw was a group of kids having a good time cheering on their team while 8 thousand Massillon fans did nothing but ponder why they hate IGGY so much. The answer to that question is because they are better than us.

-dhe

RAPTOR
09-30-2006, 12:27 PM
At least they didnt Boo our band like the classless trash in Mentor did a week ago.
I'm sorry for the name calling, but there is no reason to boo someones band off the field. People who would do something like that shouldnt even be at a high school game. They need to be locked up and put away!
As for they Iggy fans,
Yes that is part of the game, and yes our student section did the same thing last year to them. However i do have to agree that some of there chants were a little classless and disrespectfull to our community.
Iggy is not that good of a team. What comes around goes around. Iggy wont go far when it comes to playoff time.

CarlE
09-30-2006, 12:44 PM
Well they may not be that good, but they're better than everyone they've played this year.

Die Hard Eric
09-30-2006, 12:48 PM
Iggy is not that good of a team. What comes around goes around. Iggy wont go far when it comes to playoff time.

I honestly think you are wrong. when IGGY makes the playoffs that is when they are their best.

-dhe

Kamd50
09-30-2006, 12:59 PM
Well they may not be that good, but they're better than everyone they've played this year.
That's what I was thinking also. People are saying that they are not the typical Iggy team so that must mean they are not that good. Just because they are not "typical" or different,doesn't = not that good. They sure as heck were good enough to keep us down all night long.

RAPTOR
09-30-2006, 12:59 PM
Iggy is a one man team behind #22.
One man teams dont go far in the playoffs.
Anyways this is getting off topic. This tread is about there fans. not there players.

Tigers53
09-30-2006, 01:24 PM
It sucks when you lose! The student section chants annoy us because we were beaten. Win and none of their silly noise matters. Win and it is our chants that will be irritating them.

betsx4
09-30-2006, 01:24 PM
[QUOTE=massillonmaroon]the rest of the team isn't playing with the same effort as Gamble. I mean last night may have cost them a shot in the playoffs and I just didn't see others playing as hard as BG.QUOTE]

I agree. It just seems like he wants it more than anybody. His performances speak for themselves, and it's the fact that to me, he's the best football player in Ohio, and we're 3-3. Now, I'm not going to say he's the only one, cause I know some of the players on that team that have a strong passion for the game and want to win, but as a team, it looks like they have no heart. That's something that's unacceptable for a Massillon team in my eyes. They're a good team with a lot of young talent, and they will make the play-offs, I believe in them, but there's just something missing this year, that last year's team would not have tolerated.

BigTime
09-30-2006, 01:36 PM
We will shut them up and when we beat them on the football field... They see our sour grapes and laugh at us. The bottom line is that they out performed us on the football field and kicked our butts.

Amen. Beat Buchtel!

MTcheer18
09-30-2006, 07:15 PM
I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the IGGY student section. what did they do that was so bad? Did they hurt your feelings when your team was down? did they get under your skin a little bit? THAT IS PART OF THE GAME!! THE FANS!!!

Hopefully our student section was taking notes during the game for future use. If i was Ignatius i would be proud to say i have a student section that is so dedicated. I can tell you as a long time tiger it is embarrassing to see our student section running around grab assing in the stands rather than getting into the game.

We got beat by IGGY on the field and subsuquently in the stands as well.

-dhe



I must say to an extent i agree with this. its the first 3 rows of students that care enough to cheer and to get into the game. the rest just goof arround... but take into consideration most are underclassmen and it doesnt mean as much. BUT be proud our kids at least stand in the section. MY school kids just run arround below the blachers... its lame.

DAWGH8R
09-30-2006, 07:20 PM
Our student section has gone from a complete sell out with ZERO empty seats, (back in the 80's), to the empty albatross that we call sections 1 and 2. When you consider the amount of students, middle school and above, that attend Massillon City Schools, we may have the weakest student section in the county !!

obie0130
09-30-2006, 07:21 PM
the student section was great and LOUD back when the band was still seated with us over there. i never hear much of anything coming from that section anymore and haven't for quite a long time.

Grandma Turtle
09-30-2006, 07:55 PM
The team is better than that if they could just block better and close the gaps and tackle on defense.



Yea, and if my aunt had grapes she would be my uncle:sour:

Die Hard Eric
09-30-2006, 08:05 PM
i do agree that the band needs to be over there with the students! they are students of the school so why should they be secluded?

-dhe

Kamd50
09-30-2006, 08:07 PM
No reason at all. And it sure as heck can't be because there isn't enough room over there!

Tiger_proud521
09-30-2006, 10:13 PM
It just hurts to hear them when you lose. I am actually jealous.

I wish we had a quarter of their pride and enthusiasm. All you hear on our side is people yelling out crap against the coach.

When they chant "Why so quiet?" You want to answer back, " have you seen our fan base over here?" The average age of the Massillon fan in the stands has to be in the 50's. I don't think they are going to be standing and doing any chants back.

I am saddened to think of the future of the Tigers. With each generation that passes we lose something. We drift further and further away from pride and tradition. We lose more and more of our spirit in terms of our youthful fan base. I saw some players downtown and their attitude was like eh, we lost. And if we should have hope about making the play offs? It was more of the same.

We as older fans need to find a way to bring in the youth and get them fired up and show them what Massillon is all about. Right now they might think that it is all about frustration. Oh wait a minute that is just what I feel.

jobdone
09-30-2006, 11:50 PM
Tiger_proud 521

I agree with you 100%. We traditional fans are dying off at a alarming rate. The best thing we always had was a tremendous will to win. We took defeat very hard but always showed class.

obie0130
10-01-2006, 12:10 AM
i have been saying what you have pointed out a few years now, 521. you couldn't have said it any better. my dad is 59 now. he played on 2 state title teams in the mid-60's, so his standard of massillon football is high. however, i will say that he still has quite a bit of fire still burning in the tank and still gets pretty emotional at the games. he also still gets heart-broken when we lose (as we all do). however, he has had the good fortune to live through as a child (growing up in the 50's) as well as to actaully participate in an era of massillon football that we will most likely never see. i feel in a strange way connected to that era (only because i have spent hours as a child studying his yearbooks, scrapbooks, ect.) and would love to be able to experience what things must have been like in town back then, but at the same time i realize that state titles in this town may be a once in a lifetime occurence. i am not sure how my 2 boys will think of massillon football as they get in to their school years. i was raised on the memories of 2 state titles believing that we were king. when i played, we were 5-5 and obvieously, there are no memories of any titles to pass on to them.

mike_da_man13
10-01-2006, 01:16 AM
i think its funny when we say start the busses its ok but when others do it its not.
ive seen many massillon fans do things that i had to apologize to other schools fans for like last year agianst eds, when drunk massillon fans started throwing snowballs at 16 year old girls(the guys throwing them were in thier 20's atleast) and shouting about how bad eds sucked so i find it funny how we can complain about others when we have quite a few bad eggs ourselves.
i find this thread as a way to take away from a loss and nothing more.

longtimefirsttime
10-01-2006, 01:58 AM
Yes some of their chants are classless. But they take an interest in the game and you have to respect that aspect of it. It seemed like many of our students were more interested in starting fights among themselves (at halftime under the stands and in the parking lot after the game) then starting a cheer of their own.

GrowlingTiger87
10-01-2006, 09:58 AM
The most classless chant I've ever heard was in the Perry playoff game when the Perry students started chanting "F- You Jesse" to Jesse Scott. Up until that point, I only thought that Massillon lacked class and not those Godly suburban angels :smartass:

ObieWon
10-02-2006, 10:17 AM
As I wrote after the Hamilton game, I don't EVER want to hear our students/fans insulting the other team. That's lack of class and respect. Cheer your team all you want, but you're just being a jerk with chants like "Overrated", "Why so quiet", "This is our house" (at an away game). Maybe it's today's society that forgot what sportsmanship is, but I for one would never condone crap like that.

I totally agree. It's classless regardless of who's doing it and in what situation. Winning should be about celebrating one's own accomplishment - not at the expense of others. The NFL and the American society at large seems to have adopted this view that winning's nice but "punking" someone else is even better.

The worst of it is, that the folks in the stands claiming glory for themselves have little to nothing to do with the physical performance that they gloat about.

Be humble, as winners or as losers. Celebrate your victory rather than the other guys defeat (unless it's McKinley - just kidding).

Tiger54
10-02-2006, 10:27 AM
I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the IGGY student section. what did they do that was so bad? Did they hurt your feelings when your team was down? did they get under your skin a little bit? THAT IS PART OF THE GAME!! THE FANS!!!

Hopefully our student section was taking notes during the game for future use. If i was Ignatius i would be proud to say i have a student section that is so dedicated. I can tell you as a long time tiger it is embarrassing to see our student section running around grab assing in the stands rather than getting into the game.

We got beat by IGGY on the field and subsuquently in the stands as well.

-dhe
Well, you can say what you want---but I would be truly embarrassed if our kids acted like that. And I said the same thing about the St. X kids last year. You know, you can win---and you can win with CLASS. I realize the team and the fans are two separate factions, but I still would be embarrassed and ashamed to have fans that acted like that. When our team was doing well, their section became quiet---did our side yell "why so quiet?" You don't need that kind of taunting. And yelling that they were beating us in our house. They were ignorant and there is no other spin on it. If YOU call that getting beat in the stands, I don't. We certainly stood up and yelled our hearts out for our kids. They like to pride themselves in being so much better, in behavior, than the ordinary public school---well, do they walk the walk? It's all talk. Their behavior was nothing that I would want MY kids to copy!

CarlE
10-02-2006, 10:41 AM
[QUOTE=ObieWon]
The worst of it is, that the folks in the stands claiming glory for themselves have little to nothing to do with the physical performance that they gloat about.
QUOTE]

Actually, the out of shape wannabes in the stands claiming glory have NOTHING to do with it. Little isn't even part of the equation.

MTown
10-02-2006, 10:52 AM
You know what? Win the game and it's amazing how quickly those student sections shut up.

BigTime
10-02-2006, 11:01 AM
Buchtel!

Vicke
10-02-2006, 12:47 PM
Our son is a football player and he has commented on how the spirit is lacking at Massillon. When they do have rallies (which isn't that often with the principal not allowing them) the kids don't get into the spirit.

When I was in the "old" high school we had rallies every week no matter the opponent. The "pep" team participated as well as the entire school. We had the band in the student section. Yes I am one of the people that still stands, yells and get hoarse from yelling. Our teams won 2 state championships while Earl Bruce was the coach.

I don't like the bashing going on from either side. Like one other poster stated about our band getting booed at Mentor it was very tacky. My niece said the student section was terrible as the band walked by.

We have to go and kick some butt. Any butt and get the team turned around and if that means being a true TIGER FAN, let's do it.

Kamd50
10-02-2006, 01:04 PM
Unfortunately, I feel that Mr. Fortner has had quite a hand in squashing the kids' enthusiasm. This has been going on for a long time. He is overly cautious and puts way too many stipulations on them. I think it is a tad ridiculous the way that he literally watches over the entire student sections like a hawk. He stands right next to them at basketball games and right in front of them at football games. He stands there and monitors them at the stadium telling them to sit down all of the time. How in the heck can you muster up any enthusiasm when he acts like that. There are police there to handle things if something gets out of hand. He needs to backoff and lighten up. He has ruined so much regarding the students and the whole football environment at Massillon. Just like how he has curtailed the decorating of the school from what it was in the past. While the kids do a good job, there is no comparison to how it used to be and how it has been ever since he has had a hand in things.

It is one thing to be present, it is another thing to act like a dictator.
The cheerleaders wanted to have a rally before the Iggy game last week to boost the morale of the students and the players after their previous loss. But oh no, they weren't allowed because it wasn't "scheduled" :stars: I guess that would have been much too big of a task for him to manage a way to work in a 15 or 20 minute rally. He could care less about any of that and shows it by his lack of enthusiasm and cooperation and support.

Go Tigers.........BEAT Buchtel!

monte81
10-02-2006, 01:40 PM
i remember in 1988 when our fans were chanting "jailbird" to flowers after we beat mcKinley! All students say chants to the opposing teams after the games are decided! We do it and why get made when other team do it to us!! Just play football and we have more things to worry about than some kids chanting!

Oh,-- it might as well be Iggy's house because they are undefeated at PBTS!! We can only change that with "W's"!!

hexumjunkie
10-02-2006, 02:15 PM
our student body could care less!


I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the IGGY student section. what did they do that was so bad? Did they hurt your feelings when your team was down? did they get under your skin a little bit? THAT IS PART OF THE GAME!! THE FANS!!!

Hopefully our student section was taking notes during the game for future use. If i was Ignatius i would be proud to say i have a student section that is so dedicated. I can tell you as a long time tiger it is embarrassing to see our student section running around grab assing in the stands rather than getting into the game.

We got beat by IGGY on the field and subsuquently in the stands as well.

-dhe

Kick
10-02-2006, 02:53 PM
Kamd50 - post of the day!!

DAWGH8R
10-02-2006, 03:00 PM
:doh2: That's what happens when outsiders get in !! I wonder if his kids get to have rallys at their school??

obiefan
10-02-2006, 04:55 PM
time the BEAT BUCHTEL!!!